Toyota Mirai Featured In Fully Charged – Video

2 years ago by Mark Kane 35

Toyota Mirai interior

Toyota Mirai interior

2016 Toyota Mirai

2016 Toyota Mirai

According to a Fully Charged November episode, the Toyota Mirai is a decent car to drive, and is some way reminds host Robert Llewellyn of the Prius.

It drives like an all-electric car (there is only an electric motor to propel the wheels), although there is small delay if you rapidly accelerate, probably because the fuel cell can’t keep up with power output changes.

Range of some 300 miles and quick refueling are the biggest differences between Mirai and all-electric cars, at least in theory, because in practice hydrogen fuel stations need to be built out first.

The future is unknown and Fully Charged listed few concerns in video description:

“The world’s first designed from the ground up, mass produced hydrogen fuel cell hybrid vehicle.

Will Toyota’s hydrogen fuelled offer be the start of the giant move away from fossil burning?

Will the fuelling infrastructure be developed?

Will hydrogen that isn’t stripped from fossil fuel become widely available and economically viable?

It’s a great car to drive though.”

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35 responses to "Toyota Mirai Featured In Fully Charged – Video"

  1. ffbj says:

    I would answer the posed questions thus:
    1. NO.
    2. Somewhat.
    3. NO.

    1. jerryd says:

      Correct. And why is simple, who is going to pay $14/gal/kg fir fuel?
      If you can find it?
      In a car the FC system costs more than a P90D unsubsidized!

      1. sven says:

        More than a P90D unsubsidized? Really? Do you have anything to back up that claim, or are you just making stuff up?

        1. ElectricPower says:

          Mirai cost $58000 but has interior like in $9000 car. Mirai is smaller than Model S. There is no aluminiun in Mirai only cheap metal. Model S has more features and at least twice more power.

          1. sven says:

            “Mirai . . . has interior like in $9000 car.”

            You’re making stuff up. All the reviews said the the Mirai had a Lexus-like interior. Me thinks you’re spreading FUD. Don’t you have anything better to do with your time?

            Edmunds said:
            “Toyota lavished Lexus-like quality on the Mirai’s cabin . . .”

            http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/mirai/2016/sedan/review/#overview-pod-anchor

            TheVerge said:
            “Overall, the furnishings are more luxurious and more solid than anything you’d find on a Prius”

            http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/21/7252377/toyota-mirai-drive-massive-bet-on-hydrogen-power

  2. scott franco says:

    Llewellyn does a good job of staying even handed with this car, but it always needs to be mentioned with FCVs: they just move pollution down the street. They are not %100 clean cars by any stretch of the imagination.

    1. ffbj says:

      Also he makes technical errors in describing how the car runs. Its a fcev, it does run on hydrogen part of the time, like a hybrid runs on gas part of the time.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        More to the point, it’s entirely powered by hydrogen, the way that a HEV (like a non-plug-in Prius) is entirely powered by gasoline.

        Sure, in both cases sometimes the car is running on stored battery power. But every watt of that power was generated by fuel, either gasoline (Prius) or hydrogen (Mirai).

        Only by plugging a car into an external source of electricity is there the possibility of running the car on truly green electricity.

        1. sven says:

          “Only by plugging a car into an external source of electricity is there the possibility of running the car on truly green electricity.”

          There is also the possibility of running the car on truly dirty electricity if the grid you plug into is dirty.

          1. Djoni says:

            Everything is dirty.
            But you can choose to swim in dirt or just paint your sole.
            The question of dirty electricity is valid, because the world is more and more driven by all sort of electric appliances that are in fact 40% coal powered.
            But to add electric car to the list is FUD (your turn) because, car can largely charge your car at convenient night time when the coal burning plant run without anything to feed.
            Thus, you just don’t add much burnt coal to the mix if at all.
            Still, as we all know, this won’t last and coal electric station will eventually phase out.
            Besides that, everyone also know that all hydrogen actually produced use much more energy than the equivalent of charging an equivalent car and that all this surplus energy are mostly fossil and dirty.

    2. Speculawyer says:

      The same can be said for EVs too . . . but it is a lot easier to make clean green electricity.

  3. jelloslug says:

    Looks like the hydrogen stations are still not being built even though Toyota claimed that there would be ~20 by the end of the year.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      This should not be a surprise.

      Those who spread propaganda supporting the idea of a “hydrogen economy” are, unfortunately, able to ignore the hard realities of physics (thermodynamics) and economics (EROI) which make hydrogen fuel utterly impractical, and will keep it from ever being practical.

      Those who actually build and run hydrogen fueling stations don’t have that luxury.

    2. PureElectricPower says:

      One hydrogen charging station is too expensive and cost $1-3 million.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        …and can only fuel 2-3 dozen cars per day, at best.

        Pathetic.

        1. ElectricPower says:

          Hydrogen charging stations takes hydrogen from natural gas. 1kg hydrogen is 11986 liters at +70 degrees Fahrenheit. 4 Watts electricity for liter is 48kWh for 1kg hydrogen for 60 miles.That is the biggest problem. The hydrogen needs to cool -40F and then pumped in the car tanks. That will add another 10kWh.

      2. $2.5-$4.5 million, actually, according to Goldman Sachs.

  4. John Hollenberg says:

    The article just reminded me how ugly the Mirai is.

  5. ModernMarvelFan says:

    He called it an electric car. Oh my, that would draw some flames from the EV supporters/FCEV haters…

  6. ModernMarvelFan says:

    He mentioned “range anxiety” or lack of it in the Mirai. But without any fueling infrastructure, I would think my range anxiety would be greater than EVs since you can plug in your own garage but you can’t refill H2 in your garage (as he stated).

    1. Andy Palmer calls it “range panic”.

      I think the world needs a whole lot less anxiety, personally.

  7. Someone out there says:

    Ah yes, the new Toyota Edsel!
    However, I disagree that it’s a hybrid. It’s an electric car that stores electricity in the form of hydrogen. A hybrid is a mix of different methods of propulsion.
    If the Mirai is a hybrid then so is an electric lawn mover that can run on either batteries or an extension cord.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      In the nomenclature of EVs, it’s a pure serial hybrid, just like the BMW i3 REx when it’s running in “range extended” mode. The i3 has a gasoline-powered generator and a gasoline tank; the Mirai has a fuel cell stack and a hydrogen tank (actually two tanks).

      As I understand it, the Mirai doesn’t have a large battery pack like a BEV does, but it does have a small battery pack like a Prius does. And, like the Prius, it can run for short periods on stored battery power alone.

  8. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    Well, there is no denying that “fool cell” cars including the Mirai are indeed EVs… that is, they are designed and built so that they can be propelled using only electric motors.

    It’s not the engineering of the car which keeps FCEVs from ever being practical; it’s the impracticality, high inefficiency, and high cost of using hydrogen to power them.

  9. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    The article quotes the linked video as saying:

    “The world’s first designed from the ground up, mass produced hydrogen fuel cell hybrid vehicle.”

    Well, it’s “mass produced” if you ignore the fact that the fuel cell stack is at least partially hand-built…

    1. jelloslug says:

      The whole car is hand built, not just the fuel cell.

  10. -Drake says:

    How can he say there’s no range anxiety when there are only 3 filling stations in Britain!

  11. Mike says:

    Besides the other problems with HFCVs, mentioned by other posters, one major disadvantage is home fueling will never be a reality. Even if someone actually wanted to install high pressurw, hydrogen tanks in the homes, I don’t see insurance companies or building codes allowing it. And as solar PV prices continue to fall, the inability to fuel at home HFCVs, I think, will make EVs the preferred technology.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      And even if building codes did allow home hydrogen generation stations (which seems unlikely given that they would generate a large volume of an explosive gas), the cost would be even more prohibitive than it is with centralized hydrogen generation and distribution. Expensive as that is, it does at least benefit from the economy of scale.

      Not only would the equipment for home hydrogen generation & compression & dispensing be expensive, it would cost a lot to run; it would cost significantly more per kg than even the high price of buying H2 at a dispensing station.

      But hey, at least you wouldn’t have to worry about the H2 station being closed, or out of fuel, or limiting your “fillup” to only half a tank…

      1. Priusmaniac says:

        I would not push to much the examination of the home production and storage of Hydrogen since it could bring some surprise. Indeed you kind of get 2 for 1 in the sense that the Hydrogen you store in a tank also becomes the equivalent of a battery storage but at a no additional cost. There is an energy storage level where it is cheaper to pay for a fuel cell than to pay for extra batteries. Of course the overall yield of the energy storage is perhaps 30% instead of 95% for batteries, but if you look for an emergency supply yield is not the main parameter. Cost per available KWh is what counts. If your Hydrogen generator comes for free from its presence for an hydrogen car than the hydrogen UPS version is limited to the in house fuel cell cost and the price of a gas storage tank. In that game, once you get to 100 KWh, the hydrogen wins.

  12. ElectricPower says:

    Mirai needs 5kg(11 lbs) hydrogen which cost $70 for 300 miles. How is that? It’s too expensive technology because cars for $58000 has interior like in $9000 car.

  13. jelloslug says:

    If Toyota would put an 80kw battery pack rather than that fuel cell they would not be able to keep up with demand.

    1. nwdiver says:

      LOL… that’s WHY they don’t do it… they would prefer that people keep buying crap ICE so they have to come back for maintenance 😉

  14. Phr3d says:

    Well done, Robert, particularly your presentation of the wind turbine self-contained H2 generator. The initial cost will be the difficult part, much like solar 20 years ago, but after that the owner supplies their own electric needs, offsets their NG needs by up to 20% with current technology, possibly sells electricity to others and (repeating) uses all excess production to create a fuel that they can sell on the highway.

    Brighter (clearer) days ahead for those willing to take on the upfront costs..

  15. Turbo3 says:

    I thought these were hand built in a special factory and are not mass produced on normal production equipment which is one reason why production is so low.