Tech Crunch: Chevrolet Bolt Is A “Vehicle Capable Of Leading The Industry” (w/videos)

4 months ago by Steven Loveday 101

Chevrolet Bolt EV

Chevrolet Bolt

TechCrunch enjoyed a recent opportunity to check out the all-new Chevrolet Bolt EV, and talked to some of the engineers and designers behind the car’s production.

The reps from Chevrolet told TC that Chevy’s electric vehicles are selling better than Tesla in Canada. This includes the Chevrolet Bolt and the Chevrolet Volt. A spokesperson for the company said:

“We are the leader in the electrification of vehicles.”

While most feel that Tesla is the true leader, GM is the only major automaker with an affordable, long-range electric vehicle. Also, the Volt is arguably the best option out there for a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle, and its sales figures are proof.

TC loved the car’s 238-mile range, noting that it exceeds that of Tesla’s base Model S (both of which have 60 kWh battery packs). Of course, Tesla has models that have larger batteries and considerably more range, but the point is that even the base vehicle is more than twice as expensive as the Chevrolet Bolt.

TC spoke with Mike Lelli, the Chief Engineer for the Bolt. He pointed out the balance of light materials, with those that maintain structural integrity and strength. Lelli also pointed out the low center of gravity created by the Bolt’s battery placement, as well as the low-load flat cargo floor. TC also learned that the motor basically has only one gear. TC concluded:

“The Bolt EV does feel like a vehicle capable of leading the industry.”

However, time will be the true test, once the Bolt becomes widely available, and other automakers’ competition hits roadways.

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103 responses to "Tech Crunch: Chevrolet Bolt Is A “Vehicle Capable Of Leading The Industry” (w/videos)"

  1. Trollnonymous says:

    lol…… “We are the leader in the electrification of vehicles.”

    ROTFLMAO

    1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

      GM is leading from behind. 😉

      1. ffbj says:

        To be fair they are leading in the particular category long range more affordable vehicle.

      2. Bill Howland says:

        Well they did get #1 and #3 top sales spots, – admittedly Tesla had a slow month , and Nissan is delaying excessively any modernized Leaf – but GM also did pretty good with their “PLUS” safety rating on the new volt which can’t hurt sales.

        Tesla I just can’t figure out safety wise – I have my own big private concerns – but why make the headlights so BAD that they get a BIG FAT RED POOR checkmark against them?

        Doesn’t anyone there have a light meter?

    2. SparkEV says:

      At least in Jan. 2017, GM is the leader.

      They’re also the leader in terms of technology. Bolt achieves 2X Leaf range with roughly same weight, bit over Tesla range with 1000 lb less, and no use of exotic material to achieve them (ie, no carbon fiber like in i3). Even the 3 year old SparkEV had quickest charging battery at over 2.5C, and that’s still not matched by any other car.

      1. R.S says:

        If they just could have kept those 2.5C for the Bolt. This was the one extraordinary quality for the Spark, it charged really quick. Sadly the same can’t be said for the Bolt. I’d even say that you could probably gain more miles per minute in a Spark, than a Bolt. At least initially.

        1. tedfredrick says:

          The Spark is also very quick. My brothers Spark blows away my Volt like it’s standing still

        2. Bill Howland says:

          R.S. Wouldn’t 2.5C for the BOLT be 150 kw?

          In other words you want the CHEAPEST long range BEV to also have the Fastest Charging?

          I’d think that would be too much to ask for, for such a cheap vehicle. I mean if someone pays $130,000 for a Tesla X they could say ‘can’t Tesla increase the speed of this thing from 115 kw to 150 kw ?’ – but then they paid $130,000 for it .

          For someone to purchase a car at the very cost-reduced price of under $30,000 after Fed tax credit, I’d say its never going to happen.

          I’m planning on purchasing a Bolt in the next month or so, but I’ll admit the BOlt is a ‘cheap car’

          1). No tranmission – makes the screaming motor top out at 92 mph.

          2). No navigation, cheaply made (though apparently – serviceable interiors).

          3). Only a few LED’s here and there….

          4). “Slow” L2 charge rate with no option to increase it – although it will make utilities happy in that a flock of these in one neighborhood won’t require a substation upgrade since they draw so little at any one time.

          5). Not many configuration choices at all, you basically have to ‘take’ the BOlt or leave it. Although it is kind of a cute dinky CUV/SUV – what used to be called a Station Wagon.

          I can understand that some here want really quick charging. But I’d look to a Model X or Porsche to get any kind of extreme charging rates – not a cheap bargain-basement Bolt which is built down to a price.

          1. BenG says:

            Yeah, 80 KW charging capability built into the Bolt is solid enough. It’s ahead of the current infrastructure of 25 and 50 KW CCS chargers that are in the wild, and will benefit from coming faster CCS.

            Do we have any figures on the Bolt charging off of a 100 KW charger yet?

  2. Chris O says:

    If GM wants to create a vehicle that will lead the EV industry it:

    -should make sure it looks like the price tag, not like something that would cost half its price had it been an ICE vehicle
    -it should make sure it comes with state of the art quick charge capabilities and make sure the (~150KW) infrastructure big battery cars require is available
    -make sure it can be produced in industry leading numbers.

    As things stand Model 3 seems better equipped to become that industry leader as unlike Bolt it is shaping up to tick those boxes.

    1. FFE 1 says:

      +1 – I also take issue with the base model S being more than twice as much – maybe. It depends on if it is 4 wheel drive and has other features – glass roof, driver assistance. I am sure you could strip it down to a minimum and it is right around twice as much. That being said – it is an entirely different class of car and better in every way.

    2. mevp says:

      Except that Tesla is producing sedans. Sedans? What is the market for sedans doing these days? Chevy got it right with the form factor.

      I’d prefer it be a little bigger and have AWD. I’d consider the Bolt but you’d never get me in the model 3. Hatch, wagon, or SUV, please.

      What’s even the point of a 4 door car if you can only sit in the back seat if you’re well under 6′? Sedans make me angry.

      1. Chris O says:

        Market for sedans? ~400k Model 3 reservations indicate the segment of premium sedans isn’t exactly dead yet. Also good news for Audi, BMW, Mercedes etc.

        1. Quentin says:

          400K preorders, how many sales? Check out other hot items that had millions of preorders that results in few sales. Preorders do not translate 1 for 1 on sales, or even 2 for 1.

        2. J Gross says:

          Tesla Model 3 – it’s a vapor car – call me when you have one in your garage.

      2. ziv says:

        I went to the DC Autoshow yesterday and sat in a bunch of cars, both front and back. The Bolt was one of the roomier ones I sat in. I am 6’4″, 230 pounds, and even with the front seat moved nearly all the way back, the back seat was still comfortable for me.
        I wish the Bolt was a bit sportier looking and that it charged faster, but it is a pretty impressive car as it is today.
        Coolest new find of the show was the Kia Stinger. That is a nice looking car, didn’t get to sit in it, though.

        1. Bill Howland says:

          “…wished it charged faster..”

          Well, at least you say the seats are comfortable.

          As far as charging speed, when hooked up to the popular 50 kw fast chargers the car seems to do ok. Granted it is not 115 kw like a $100,000 Tesla – but it will put some miles on the thing over an extended lunch hour.

          Unless you’re refering to the standard L2 port which is ‘only’ 32 amps (7200 watts maximum). Yeah, both the European and American versions are the same ‘slow speed’, considering the huge battery the Bolt has – but then GM was probably advised by the Edison Electric Institute that Utilities want MAINSTREAM electric cars to take the ENTIRE MIDNIGHT SHIFT to charge.

          It should take 9 1/2 hours at home to fully charge a dead battery, and 11 hours at the larger public chargers (6 kw) to get basically a week’s worth of driving.

          I picked up a new BOLT brouchure yesterday, and find they are not pushing any particular charging rate – even though the 3 basic ones are standard (0.9 kw, 1.4 kw, and 7.2 kw), and the 50 kw option ($750).

          They also briefly mention Aerovironment will hold your hand to get their ROUND CHARGING DOCK professionally installed, if that is what you desire.. The thing I liked about the brouchure is they let the reader DECIDE for themselves what they want – If you decide you don’t want any of the faster options they’re not browbeating you to get them.

          1. Bill Howland says:

            Just called Aerovironment to find out their policy on ‘docking station’ installation for a homeowner.

            If you buy the EVSE-RS from THEM, you’ll only get a 30 amp model. And then they’ll have a local electrician install it.

            The other option is to get a $999 (price may be dickered with dealer as the 30 amp, 25 foot cord model is $699 from AV) 32 amp, 25 foot cord model from the DEALER at the time you also purchase the car, so that it is in effect, a dealer-installed-option).

            The goosed-up 32 amp version is only available from Chevy dealers, AV won’t sell you one directly, and apparently has not released them to the big box stores either.

            Of course, a homeowner could make other arrangements, themselves. Juicebox constantly advertised on IEV’s is 40 amps at $500. Or a CHEAP 30 amp Durastation at the big box stores is $400.

            I’m limping along with my 30 amp 6 year old-timer, as it is good-enough.

            1. BenG says:

              I’ve been making do with the standard 120 V charger that came with my 2012 Volt. It does the job.

              About once or twice a week I could use a faster charger during the day, and I end up using a little gasoline because I dont’ have one, but that happens rarely enough, and usually for such short distances that I don’t feel the need to spend $800 having a 240 volt charger installed.

            2. Bill Howland says:

              Well I just now put $5000 down payment on a BOLT that will be in the first batch to be shipped to NY State.

              $400 for the royale blue metalic.
              $1100 for side lane alert and heated seats

              No fast charging, cloth seats, non-premier.

              Spoke to dealership about the 32 amp AV wallbox with 25 ft cord – dealer claims they can’t sell it to me, I have to go through AV, and AV says exactly the opposite, so I’d think in the end the dealer CAN sell it to me. Dealer’s price at the parts dept is $866.76 which is an improvement over the $999 I previously stated. Again, if buying through Aerovironment, they can only sell the 30 amp version which they want $699 for.

              (I don’t need a wallbox myself as I have the 6 year old one already – I was just researching this for IEV’s readers who might be interested in taking the ‘package deal’ from the dealership).

              The dealer initially told me $866.76 is the installed price – but I told them that just can’t be right because it could cost upwards of $3000 to install the things in a difficult installation, such as detached garage with a prize flower bed in the way of the buried electric run.

              Of course, if you made an agreement with the dealership to have the thing installed – they said they would basically hold the bag and insist that GM reimburse them for the actual cost!!! It will be interesting to see if anyone actually goes for it and gets a ‘difficult to install’ av 32 amp wall box installed for $866.76 plus tax for EVERYTHING.

              People who say Chevy dealers aren’t in general familiar with ev’s are essentially correct… I bought my bolt at either the largest or second largest chevy dealer in the entire US (depending on the month), and even the general sales manager who is the brother of the owner didn’t know exactly how those ‘turnkey’ installations transpired since he said, for his dealership, almost no one uses 220 volts for a VOLT, and those that do, don’t have the dealership involved.

              But I bet more customers with the BOLT want faster than 110 volt charging – its supposedly 40% of VOLT owners who use 220 volt chargers (lets say 1/4 of those only use 220 when they are ‘publically charging’) so that means, really 30% charge at home using 220 and 70% charge at home using 110.

              I bet those percentages are reversed for the BOLT: 70% will want to charge at 220 , and only 30% are satisfied with the existing 110 in the garage or carport.

              So after several months you would think dealerships would get conversant with wallbox installations, at least very large dealerships such as mine.

    3. unlucky says:

      There’s no way to make a vehicle which completely hides the battery costs. The model 3 doesn’t do it either. It has the interior of a Toyota Echo.

      I do know that getting rid of the price penalty for batteries is critical to broad acceptance. But neither GM nor Tesla can do it soon. The cost model just prohibits it.

      1. Chris O says:

        I think Model 3 is shaping up to become a pretty credible C-class/3 series/A4 competitor. The premium thing mean it is pretty successful in hiding the battery cost.

        Bolt makes for a nice offering in the compact class but nobody will mistake it for a BMW 3-series competitor.

        1. BenG says:

          Yeah, LOL at the Model 3 having the interior of a Toyota Echo. 😀

          400,000 reservations says that a lot of people are not concerned about the Model 3 interior being overly ‘cheap’.

  3. ThombDeBhomb says:

    Isn’t it already leading a segment of the industry? If is a relatively low-priced BEV that has over 200 miles of range.

    1. MDEV says:

      They are in the segment, the fugly i3 is dead in the water.

    2. WadeTyhon says:

      GM still has sold more plug ins in the US than any manufacturer. I am not sure about Canada.

      Tesla has not caught up yet in the US. But by mid 2018 the Model 3 should be out there in high numbers and Tesla should pass GM.

      For 2017, GM should sell about 55-60,000 plug ins between Bolt, Volt and CT6

      1. Trollnonymous says:

        “GM still has sold more plug ins”

        The article is about “electrification of vehicles”.
        But sure, let’s narrow it down to only the exact point where it makes GM look better……..lol

        1. WadeTyhon says:

          If you don’t want to narrow down “electrification” to be plug-ins, what do you want to broaden it to? Worldwide? Then Nissan is still the market leader last I checked. Or did you want to broaden it to include standard hybrids? Toyota and Ford I guess, then.

          The article framed the “leader” quote as such:

          “The reps from Chevrolet told TC that Chevy’s electric vehicles are selling better than Tesla in Canada. This includes the Chevrolet Bolt and the Chevrolet Volt.”

          I was providing additional perspective that GM is also the lifetime sales leader in the US, but that Tesla will surpass it next year. In what way does that frame GM in the best light to say that Tesla will overtake it in sales in a little over a year?

        2. unlucky says:

          Plug-ins is the right term for ‘electrified vehicles’. That means anything with a plug. I’m a stickle for not calling a PHEV an EV but who thinks a PHEV is not a plugin?

          1. Trollnonymous says:

            From GM, Ford and VW, when they claim “Electrified products” they include Hybrids all the way up to EV’s.

            Just following their definition.

            Some here only see it as PHEV’s/BEV but when they are quoted they mean hybrids on up.

            1. unlucky says:

              Forget them. If it gets all its energy from the filler nozzle it’s not electrified. It’s no more electrified than any car with a 12V battery.

              1. BenG says:

                Well … it was a significant step forward to install a hybrid traction battery that enables capture and reuse of braking energy. So hybrids are more ‘electrified’ than a straight ICE with a 12 V battery.

                Still a big distinction to be made between plug-ins and non-plug-in hybrids of course.

  4. Trollnonymous says:

    “Affordable”

    Nissan Sentra
    Toyota Corolla
    Honda Fit
    Chevy Cruze
    Hyundai Elantra
    Kia Rio/Soul/Forte

    $36,500.00 is not “affordable”……lol

    1. WadeTyhon says:

      Yeah, you are right EVs sure suck, huh?! I should go get a Honda Fit.

      GM should kill the Bolt and Tesla shouldnt even bother with the Model 3. Too expensive!

      I feel like such a fool for loving my two EVs when I could have just bought a cheap gasser. What the heck was I thinking?!

      1. Kdawg says:

        Positive GM/Bolt/Volt news always brings out the trolls.

        Wait till the Model 3 is out (2020??) and priced at 837K and you will hear how “affordable” that is.

        1. Trollnonymous says:

          Most GM fanbois like you will totally dismiss the lower optioned models and make direct comparison to the highly optioned models.

          With your price quote, that pretty much shows where you fall into.

          1. Kdawg says:

            We already know what the lowest possible option Model 3 will cost. $35K. Now does that include destination charges? Elon said he expected the average transaction price to be around $42K.

            So when (who knows when) you can finally order a Model 3, and for some reason you can actually get it at $35K, are you going to say “SEE AFFORDABLE”?

          2. Kdawg says:

            Also, my post was supposed to be $37K, not 837k

            1. terminaltrip421 says:

              heheh. I did have trouble trying to figure out what you were trying to say with that one.

            2. Bill Howland says:

              That is going to be a long time in coming unless TESLA changes their business plan. The last I’ve heard the model 3 is going to be ‘loaded’ for around the first 2 years.

              Whereas right now, in NY State, I can order a BOLT with zero options, which I would do if NYS would finally ‘enable’ the $2000 rebate.

          3. tedfredrick says:

            I have driven all the electric vehicles. My son has two Tesslas an X And an S. I have a Volt and a Ford Focus Electric. My dad has a Leaf and my brother has a Spark electric. For the money imho GM is the best all around. Money aside Tessa for sure. One thing foe sure our family is Electrified

      2. Trollnonymous says:

        “Yeah, you are right EVs sure suck”

        Where did I say EV’s suck? Stop trying to put words in other peoples mouths.

        “I feel like such a fool”

        Yeah, you’re right, can’t argue there……

        1. WadeTyhon says:

          Anyone who read my reply knows full well that I didn’t imply you literally said “EVs suck”. I was teasing you for mocking the Chevy Bolt and listing a bunch of low priced gas vehicles to prove that the Bolt is not affordable. 😛

          If you’re gonna bring up gas vehicle prices, most mid sized trucks and SUVs start in the high 20s and low 30s and they’re some of the best selling vehicles in the US. Price isn’t a problem for Americans, although consumer preferences might be.

          Right now, people with combined household incomes of ~100k could easily afford a Bolt after tax rebates bring it below 30K. Well below in some states like Colorado and California.

          If this car is too expensive then as an alternative, you can point people towards a Prius Prime or a base model Volt.

          Even better: used Volts, Nissan Leafs, Spark EVs, Ford Energi’s etc. Any of these can be found used under $15,000 with low mileage and well optioned.

          1. (⌐■_■) Trollnonymous says:

            “Even better: used Volts, Nissan Leafs, Spark EVs, Ford Energi’s etc.”

            Yes, I have been pushing folks inquiring about BEV’s/PHEV’s to used ones as they all seem to say new is cost prohibitive. Quite a few have purchased used Volts and LEAF’s.

            Strangely though, those who can afford a new SUV tend to buy another ICE SUV…..lol

            1. WadeTyhon says:

              Lol well at least some of the people who you talk to have taken your advice on finding a good priced used EV.

              If you search google for Chevrolet SUV then the Bolt is listed along with the Trax, Tahoe, etc.

              I wouldn’t categorize it as an SUV myself but I think it’s smart of Chevy to try and sell it as one. They could never convince a buyer that a Spark EV or Volt is a small SUV. But the Bolt? Maybe…

              Price wise it is right in the middle of the pack. Trax and Equinox start in the low 20k, Traverse starts in the high 20k, Tahoe and Expedition are in the 40K range. It is better optioned than the Trax and Equinox. And the Bolt blows the Traverse out of the water in efficiency, although it seats 2 less.

              Now that the range is large enough, I could see it being great for small families or commuters as an alternative to the small/mid-size Chevy CUVs/SUVs.

      3. AlphaEdge says:

        Wade, he is questioning the word “Affordable”.

        I agree, it’s certainly not affordable, if I can buy two Toyota Corollas for the price of one Bolt.

        But then again, the Bolt cannot receive enough accolades.

        1. WadeTyhon says:

          You’re right, certainly the Bolt is nowhere near as cheap as a Toyota Corolla, and the Bolt definitely deserves the accolades. 🙂 Even though the Bolt will not be selling any significant fraction of the number of Toyota Corollas. Not anytime soon.

          But really no EVs or PHEVs are price competitive with those base level vehicles yet.

          The Bolt EV and the Model 3 will made a huge step towards making EVs affordable. I also want Tesla and GM to make a profit on these vehicles. So if 35-37,000 is what the base price needs to be right now, it works for me!

        2. Kdawg says:

          But brace yourself for the rationalizations of how a Model 3 at the same price is somehow “affordable”

    2. Eco says:

      If you factor in …

      1. No fuel purchase
      2. No oil changes / tune ups / brake jobs
      3. No harm to your/family health

      BEVs are economical now and as the batteries inevitably get less expensive, ICEs will be a stranded asset.

    3. trololo says:

      Indeed, that’s not an affordable car. Cut the price by two or three.

      1. Roy_H says:

        Do those cars you listed sell new for $10k to $15k?

        1. Nick says:

          New stripper LEAF is $18k, used in the 10k-13k range. They are shockingly affordable.

    4. Mikael says:

      Any middle class family could buy such a car if they wanted to. That is pretty affordable.

      Affordable and cheap are two different things.

      Lots of people can’t afford to buy a new car at all, no matter how “affordable” it is.

    5. ModernMarvelFan says:

      A Troll wrote:

      ““Affordable”

      Nissan Sentra, POS that is slow and did poorly on safety.

      Toyota Corolla. POS that is even slower.

      Honda Fit. Cheapest POS that Honda sells in the US and even cheaper than Corolla, so why compare against that class. Extremely slow!

      Chevy Cruze, More like a good value for the class, but still slow rental car like.

      Hyundai Elantra, Spacious for its class but slow

      Kia Rio/Soul/Forte, Slow and ugly.

      $36,500.00 is not “affordable”……lol”

      It is among one of the MOST efficient AND Most afforable car that does 0-60 in 6.3seconds.

      How many 6.3seconds or better car are more affordable and equally efficient?

      Performance has a cost to it.

      1. AlphaEdge says:

        That’s a good point. Important, especially when trying to merge onto a freeway.

        But then again, I never really had problems merging with some of those cars on your list marked as “slow” when doing that.

    6. BenG says:

      Nissan Leaf, now available with a $10k rebate in NC, and the $7500 fed tax credit, certainly fits into the list of affordable vehicles for NC residents.

      In fact if you can use the full tax credit it is among the very cheapest cars you can buy here.

  5. realistic says:

    Since most people posting here are very dedicated BEV fans, the term “electrification” as used in the industry doesn’t mean what it does to the majority of auto manufacturers and Tier 1 system/subsystem suppliers.

    GM is building plug-in hybrids in both the US and China and will have ten new plug-ins across a wide range from the GM/SAIC venture over the next few years. They are selling a limited production option of a 48v mild hybrid for their light truck line, and I think we’ll all be surprised how quickly and extensivelt their 48v work will surge past the rest of the industry with resulting electrification across most of their LDV products. They have an excellent strong non-plug hybrid in the Malibu, integrating probably the most advanced high charge/discharge rate, power-dense battery (from Hitachi). And right now they’re the only game in town with a sub-$40k, 200mi+ BEV — so far, by BEV sales standards, it’s a hit right out of the chute.

    1. Trollnonymous says:

      “by BEV sales standards, it’s a hit right out of the chute”

      I agree.
      I expect ~2100 sold in January.

      1. Trollnonymous says:

        Sadly it’s not 2100 though……

  6. Another (Euro) industrial point of view says:

    The problem with such opinion is that most of the time it comes from the same incestuous 1% EV enthusiast circle. Out of those 1%, probably 30% are in a blind love relationship with Tesla so that leaves 0.7% EV enthusiast open to a variety of offers. So 0.07% of the population. Who cares what 0.07% of the population thinks when what is on the agenda is mass electrification of cars ? I know it is not easy but what would be interesting to collect is the opinion of the “average Joe”. They are the 99,3% that matters. As for my “average Joe” opinion of the Bolt. I would say, really going in the right direction but if the 99.3% needs to drive EVs one day it is still about $12K too expensive (that is without incentives, with $7.5K incentive about $5K too expensive).

    1. Kdawg says:

      Average new car price is $33K, which is more than the Bolt EV after incentives. Truth is, a lot of people shouldn’t be buying new cars to begin with. I know everyone wants the new iPhone, but if it’s not in your budget, don’t blame Apple.

      These ppl should stick to the used car market. There should be some used Bolt’s showing up after a year or 2. Lease prices will probably get better too.

      1. Kdawg says:

        Another option is Maven car sharing program, which will have Bolt EVs.

        1. Another (Euro) industrial point of view says:

          Yes but the “average $33K car” is much bigger than the Bolt and average Joe would probably (on average…) not care so much for the 0-60 good figure. Price would probably be +/- OK for average Joe is Bolt was at least a foot longer with same body shape. Also we can’t yet offset the fuel price expenses against that price as we do not have enough certainty how long those batteries will hold. I mean how the second hand market will price those BEV in some years from now.

          1. Kdawg says:

            I wouldn’t say the average $33k car is “much bigger”. There are examples of bigger/smaller and by varying degrees.

            Battery longevity doesn’t seem to be an issue on GM vehicles. Volts out there with 100K+ EV miles and little to no degredation. There is also a warranty.

            1. Another (Euro) industrial point of view says:

              I smaller & still costing $33K then it probably does not have a GM badge on it…I hear what you say but still I believe we are too EV centric here to have a sound opinion about it.

            2. zzzzzzzzzz says:

              “Average $33k car” is old boring cliche that is wrong.
              Check KBB press releases, it is the source where this cliche originates:
              http://mediaroom.kbb.com/2017-02-01-New-Car-Transaction-Prices-Remain-High-Up-More-Than-3-Percent-Year-Over-Year-In-January-2017-According-To-Kelley-Blue-Book
              Avg. grand total went from $33k to $34,968 by now.
              It includes vans, high performance cars, luxury SUVs, pickups, everything. True car sales may be less than half of all this in the US as far as I remember.
              If you look at “Mid-Size Car”, it is $25,129. It is what you may pay for Camry or Accord in practice. Or less, as “*Kelley Blue Book average transaction prices do not include applied consumer incentives”

              Even then Camry or Accord has passenger volume over 100 cu.f, while Bolt 95 c.f., and Model S 94 c.f. only. At least $12,000 lower price tag and 5 minute reliable recharging on the road would be advised to qualify as affordable mass market car that can take over significant part the world, not just 1% of enthusiasts.

  7. midimal says:

    If according to GM the Bolt is built for range and comfort they why did GM put too narrow seats into it? 🙂

    1. Anon says:

      And seats with more hard wire / spring support, than comfortable FOAM… *shrugs*

    2. WadeTyhon says:

      The seats seemed just fine the two times I have sat in it. But I wont know how it fares on a road trip until I have one.

      Some people do seem to be annoyed by them but others have no issues at all. An after market cushon/cover should help those who do not like them.

    3. Kdawg says:

      “Too narrow” is a subjective opinion. The best way to tell if you like a car’s interior room is to sit in it yourself.

      1. mx says:

        Well, if they’re literally only 17 inches across and most seats are 20, then it’s not subjective.

        Whether you like them is subjective.

        1. Kdawg says:

          But you gave #’s and he just said “too narrow”. What if you only need 15″? What if you need 30″?

          1. ffbj says:

            Tesla got a lot of heat for their original crummy seats and changed them out, maybe GM will do the same thing with the Bolt.

            1. Kdawg says:

              There isn’t room for wider seats. They would have to get rid of the center console.

            2. unlucky says:

              They’re not crummy seats. They are narrow though. That’s because the car is narrow. It couldn’t have wider seats without removing the center console or reducing the space between the seats and door and thus failing side impact tests.

              Do yourself a favor. Ignore the seat haters. Sit in it and make up your mind.

              1. ffbj says:

                Yeah, crummy was not the best word. I guess they are thin too, which is ok with me, since I don’t think of it as a long range vehicle. One I am going to be in for hours.
                This Spring I will test drive one, when they come into the area.
                @Kdawg..got it not enough room for wider seats.

          2. (⌐■_■) Trollnonymous says:

            I sat in the front and back seats. With my fatas$, I thought it was above adequate, nothing wrong with it.
            The whole feel felt like the Honda Fit but with a little more space.

          3. JeffN says:

            We’re working on getting GM to change their seats. Register your grievances here: http://electricvehiclewiki.com/Chevy_Bolt_seat_and_seat_frame_discomfort

            1. ffbj says:

              Useful, thanks.

        2. ziv says:

          mx, I sat in a Bolt yesterday at the DC Autoshow and my impression was how roomy both the front and backseats were. I hadn’t heard any info about the seats being narrow until today. And I am not a little guy, I am 6’4″ 230 pounds.
          I was mildly impressed with the Bolt. I still like my Volt better, but the Bolt is a nice outfit and the seats feel pretty comfortable.

    4. unlucky says:

      Range is better with a smaller vehicle. Hence a narrower one. Hence narrower seats.

      I agree wider seats would be a plus. But they worked from a narrow car chassis. They didn’t have a choice after that point. Surely they’ll change it next time.

    5. ModernMarvelFan says:

      “If according to GM the Bolt is built for range and comfort they why did GM put too narrow seats into it?”

      Because EV buyers tend to be those “healthy, kale eating types” that don’t usually have FAT ASS.

  8. HVACman says:

    OK, if everybody can stop debating Bolt vs M3 for a second, I have an actual comment/nd question related to the TC article:

    “TC spoke with Mike Lelli, the Chief Engineer for the Bolt.”

    What happened to Bolt Chief Engineer Josh Tavel? Or did TC (or their sources) get Mike’s actual job title wrong?

    1. Hot Potato says:

      When the Fiat 500e came out FCA trotted out the car’s “chief engineer” for the press. One forum participant was a key engineer for the car land said he’d never heard of the guy. 🙂

  9. Realdb2 says:

    It’s amazing how much focus is placed on purchase price when comparing EVs to ICE vehicles.

    Yes, right now EVs have a relatively higher up front cost. They also perform better, cost less to fuel and less to maintain than ICE vehicles.

    It’s almost as if paying a little more up front gets you more in return, and in some cases will be cheaper in the long run.

    Go figure.

    1. Another (Euro) industrial point of view says:

      OK but unless you lease an EV you need to take into the equation the second hand value of it. All those BEV needs to be designed to accept the higher density and better batteries that will come on the market in 2019-2020 etc..otherwise the resale value of your EV might be in trouble by then and this is only 3 years from now. If your Bolt you bought $30K is worth only $10K in 2020, forget about that fuel cost saving.

      1. Bill Howland says:

        I’ll be more than happy to buy a 3 year old BOLT for $10,000 US.

        1. MTN Ranger says:

          I’d buy two for my kids that will be driving age around then.

        2. BenG says:

          Yep, financial loss from big depreciation is a risk the early adopters take.

          Really it’s a risk every new car buyer takes, but for EVs it seems worse so far because of battery degradation fears and rapidly advancing technology.

          I was sure glad to pick up my 2012 Volt Premium with 34k miles in beautiful shape for only $14k last year, but the original owner took quite a hit on depreciation for sure.

  10. kubel says:

    Daewoo (GM Korea) developed the Bolt?

    1. Hot Potato says:

      IIRC there were US, German, and Korean teams working jointly on the vehicle, and packaging & styling was done by GM Korea.

    2. Loboc says:

      The Bolt concept was built in Australia.

  11. Shawn Marshall says:

    Let us commend GM for bringing a great EV choice to market. This choice is available to many middle class suburban and urban families. The Bolt does seem to be a milestone proving the economic viability of EVs.

  12. Craig Capurso says:

    If GM had there way they would stop production now and scrap the whole thing and build more 8000 lb suv,s.

    1. AlphaEdge says:

      They are having their way. The CEO of GM, Mary Barra, is strong supporter of EV’s. They could have easily followed what Ford and Chrysler are doing, but decided to actually produce a good EV.

    2. WadeTyhon says:

      Wow an 8000 lb SUV would be great!

      Since the the Suburban weighs about ~5,500 lbs… an 8000 lb SUV means that Chevy has stuck in 2,000 + lbs of battery!

      I hope Chevy gets their way and releases an 8,000 lb 300+ mile Chevy Suburban EV!

      1. Bill Howland says:

        Good idea WadeTyhon.

        Put a Bolt power train (200 hp, 60 kwh battery, 7.2 kw home charger) on each axle.

        That way you could have a 4-wd, 400 hp, 120 kwh vehicle. Standard 32 amp charge rate, with dual chargers as an extra cost option as the way that Tesla used to offer them.

        100 kw fast charging for $1500 option? or 50 kw for $750?

        (I’d have to get a bigger EVSE – 64 amps is about the most my 100 amp electric service could take) – in practice I’d stick with a 40.

  13. Kandiru says:

    Remember when they sent letters to customers claiming that they were paying the government bailout money, then a week later it surfaces they took a jumbo loan for a fraction of the bailout to pay Uncle Sam a fraction of it.

    Government Motors will be what it is, they can kill customers and still provide presidential limos.

    1. Bill Howland says:

      “Kill customers”.

      Oh, hell, the Chevy Volt is the safest car ever made. I just ordered a BOLT, so I hope it is at least 1/2 as safe.

      Other companies cannot make the same safety claim, honestly. In those cases the cause of death is always driver error, supposedly.

      If you are talking about the swing-axle of the 1960-1962 CORVAIR – the complaint is legitimate.

      If you are talking about overloaded key rings on the cheaper GM products, a smarter legal team could have disavowed any responsibility as GM could have simply said they have no control over misuse of their product by customers after the sale.

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