Renault ZOE To Be Ready For CCS Combo DC Fast Charging By 2019

3 months ago by Mark Kane 20

Renault ZOE Z.E. 40

Renault ZOE Z.E. 40

Renault representatives have confirmed to the French media that in the company will use DC fast charging for power levels above 22 kW AC (three-phase type 2) in the future.

Renault ZOE Z.E.40

Renault ZOE Z.E.40

Renault (after joining CharIN) hints that the European CCS Combo standard still has as way to go.

The French carmaker intends to equip the ZOE with a CCS Combo (AC and DC) inlet by 2019 in order to handle ultra-fast charging, and give its drivers more charging options.

If today’s new ZOE Z.E. 40 (with a 41 kWh battery) could accept 150 kW inputs, the EV could be mostly recharged in about 20 minutes for a real ~186 miles (300 km).

There is however no confirmation whether the recently updated ZOE will be able to handle a full 150 kW (although as it has just been released one assumed it should be future-proofed to some degree), and what battery will be used in the (we believe) next-generation ZOE three years or so from now.

Some major OEMs are already setting up an ultra fast charging network (350 kW) starting next year with some ~400 units to be installed and “thousands” by 2020.

Currently, the ZOE is offered in two versions, both with Renault’s electric motors (making up the majority of sales since March 2015) and Continental electric motors. Depending on the powertrain, three-phase AC charging can be done up to 22 kW (Renault) or 43 kW (Continental).

The drawback of Continental’s design is lower efficiency of driving (and thus a slightly lower range) and also charging at low-power range (3-11 kW). In other words, the ZOE Q (quick charging trim) should be purchased for customers more often using 22 and 43 kW charging.

Separately, Renault is offering for 3,500 euros to current customers leasing 22 kWh cars that would like to move into the new 41 kWh battery option.

source: autoactu.com

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20 responses to "Renault ZOE To Be Ready For CCS Combo DC Fast Charging By 2019"

  1. Kdawg says:

    Will the Leaf also change to CCS?

    1. Mikael says:

      That is pretty much a given.

      1. wavelet says:

        Really? Not doubting, just curious about your source.
        That would be major news, as no Japanese company has shown any signs yet of abandoning CHAdeMO, and that was a major difference between Nissan & Renault.

        If that happens, CHAdeMO will die PDQ. The Koreans have already abandoned it.

        1. Texas FFE says:

          Proof? Well, Nissan is installing dual CHAdeMO/CCS chargers at thier dealerships all over the Midwest. Also there are reports that Nissan and Renault will start to use a common platform for EVs, so the differences you mentioned are disappearing.

        2. Mikael says:

          No source, it’s just plain and simple logic. It would be idiotic to make a brand new platform, have brand new cars and having one model/brand use the European standard and one using something obsolete.
          There is no gain what so ever for Nissan to try to hold on and be the only one to fight for something that has been ruled out already.

    2. Bloggin says:

      Nissan has no other option if they want to compete in the US and Europe. Next gen Leaf will most definitely offer the CCS charger. Even with there being more Japanese style chargers in the US currently, the next gen Leaf will have a much larger battery, which means less of a need for public charging on a daily basis.

      1. Bloggin says:

        Oh yeah…and then there is this…..

        “A top-level exec at Renault-Nissan has made it known that the next-generation Nissan LEAF and Renault ZOE will share a new common platform.”

  2. notting says:

    1. Why don’t you mention piece of information from http://insideevs.com/renault-to-equip-future-evs-with-22-kw-ac-and-100-kw-dc-ccs-combo-charging/ (which you also linked here) that
    “Renault To Equip Future EVs With 22 kW AC and 100 kW DC CCS Combo Charging” -> no word about 150kW.
    2. 150kW and 41kWh battery would be roughly >3,5C – AFAIK even Tesla SuperCharger don’t charge with 2C.

    -> I think that especially the Zoe will get only 100kW CSS – if not less. 100kW is IMHO intended for bigger battery capacities (bigger vehicles like Megane?).

    notting

    1. SparkEV says:

      If you’re comparing DCFC rate, Tesla is slower end. SparkEV is the quickest charging in the world at bit over 2.5C all the way to 80%. Then 41kWh could easily charge at 100kW. But technology marches on, and they could have special sauce that allow 3.5C.

      Frankly, 3.5C is comfortable rate. That will result in 80% charge in 15 minutes, comparable to gas cars with enormous gas tank. Since EV mostly charge at home, overall charge times could be comparable to gas cars even with weekend long travels.

      1. Mikael says:

        He is also thinking that the Zoe will have 40 kWh in 2019. 60-80 kWh is more likely.

        Then 2,5C would mean 150-200 kW possible charging.

        1. notting says:

          No, I’m not. Read the article: “If today’s new ZOE Z.E. 40 (with a 41 kWh battery) could accept 150 kW inputs, the EV could be mostly recharged in about 20 minutes for a real ~186 miles (300 km).”
          I’m thinking it will be a cost thing.

          notting

      2. Expect about 1C to 1.3C charging with this new battery technology. This is the consequence of higher energy density.
        Identical remark on the Bolt which is built with same modules.

  3. speculawyer says:

    Nissan needs to raise the white flag. They should have done it years ago.

    Sorry, Tony.

    1. Texas FFE says:

      Nissan Dealerships all over the Midwest have been installing dual DCFC chargers without the CCS cable installed. I think Nissan is preparing for when all the Nissan BEV offerings go to CCS but I have no hard evidence to back that up. Maybe the Renault move to CCS is the beginning of the whole Renault/Nissan auto group move to CCS.

    2. You recognize that Renault joined up with the CCS group years ago (like 4?)?

      Nothing new here, except your speculation with Nissan.

      Of course, Nissan could do whatever they want, but it seems odd that they would abandon the many thousands of CHAdeMO stations that they PAID for. The hard work to get CHAdeMO an official Europe standard, and official world standard. The national standard of Japan.

      I know somehow it makes sense to you that might happen, though. Abandoning all the hundreds of thousands of existing LEAF owners won’t “help” their business.

      But, at least you’re consistent 😉

      1. jamcl3 says:

        Converting a Chademo station to DC combo is not a big deal

        1. speculawyer says:

          Don’t convert, make them dual-headed.

        2. Noboddy is converting chargers to other standards… absolutely nobody and nobody will.

          It is a big deal, as it would be very expensive, for one. Getting all the required UL / CE approvals are expensive, too.

          What is happening, and what will continue to happen, is multi-standard chargers deployed in North America and Europe.

          Just like gasoline stations that have 85.5, 87, 89, 91, 93 octane, plus diesel, plus maybe natural gas, plus perhaps propane. Many gasoline stations also have methanol, plus E85 and maybe they will even have hydrogen someday.

          There is no sound basis for replacing the number one DC charging standard in the world. But, clearly, localities need to have the charging standards that are in-use in their area, just like they need the right kind of petroleum products.

  4. Someone out there says:

    They are unlikely to do 150 kW, at least for any extended period of time. Maybe 80 kW although I would guess they settle for 50 kW until they get a bigger battery.

  5. Zim says:

    I like the look of the ZOE. It looks like a hot hatch with no overhang.

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