Renault-Nissan Exec: Next-Generation LEAF & Zoe Will Share A Common Platform

5 months ago by Eric Loveday 44

2017 Nissan LEAF "Black Edition"

2017 Nissan LEAF “Black Edition”

A top-level exec at Renault-Nissan has made it known that the next-generation Nissan LEAF and Renault ZOE will share a new common platform.

Renault ZOE Z.E. 40

Renault ZOE Z.E. 40

Both vehicles will differ outside and in, but according to Arnaud Deboeuf, senior vice president of Renault-Nissan’s strategic management unit, the two vehicles will share a platform and electric motors.

Though not stated, it would seem as though sharing of a battery pack is a given too. Deboeuf wouldn’t comment on this battery cell topic.

This commonality should help to drive down cost.

Today’s LEAF is bigger than the ZOE, so the obvious questions are…will the next-gen LEAF shrink in size or will the next-gen ZOE grow? Automotive News reached out to Deboeuf for an answer, but he declined to provide specific details. Automotive News stated:

“Deboeuf said the new generations of the Leaf and the Zoe will compete in the same segment but declined to say if the Zoe will grow in size to become a compact model or if the Leaf will be shrunk to become a subcompact.”

When should we expect to see the next-gen, shared platform EVs from Renault and Nissan? Well, it seems both vehicles are still quite a ways off. Without providing much detail, Deboeuf suggested that the all-new EVs won’t arrive until sometime after the LEAF gets its already-planned facelift in 2018 (and after a range bump next year). French media seems to believe that the ZOE will be first up to be all-new in 2020 or 2021. The LEAF will follow shortly after, it’s assumed.

By 2020-2021, both models will be old by today’s car standards. The LEAF launched as all-new in late 2010 and the ZOE came onto market in 2012, so both EVs will be pushing close to 9-10 years of age, when standard product cycles are usually around 7 years these days.

There surely will be lots of competion in the BEV segment by 2020, so for Renault-Nissan to suceed, both next-gen models will have to be long-range, priced right and deliver on all other fronts.

Source: Automotive News

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44 responses to "Renault-Nissan Exec: Next-Generation LEAF & Zoe Will Share A Common Platform"

  1. Another Euro point of view says:

    “so the obvious questions are…will the next-gen LEAF shrink in size or will the next-gen ZOE grow?”

    As counter intuitive as it may sound, I understood that now, cars having wide differences in size could nevertheless use the same platform. At least I read this concerning VW group new platform. I guess this technological progress is spreading fast within the all industry.

    1. R.S says:

      Yea, a shared platform can easily mean different sized vehicles. The Leaf could just use a long wheelbase version, which would allow a bigger pack, than the ZOE.

  2. Alan says:

    So gen 2 leaf not until 2020-2021 ?

    That’s depressing :o((

    1. WadeTyhon says:

      “…the all-new EVs won’t arrive until sometime after the LEAF gets its alread-planned facelift (and likely a range bump too) in 2018. French media seems to believe that the ZOE will be first up to be all-new in 2020 or 2021. The LEAF will follow shortly after, it’s assumed.”

      According to the article, this would be essentially the Leaf 3. The leaf 2 will debut in 2018. The new Zoe will be in 2020-2021. 3rd gen Leaf (or a smaller leaf variant) will then debut sometime after that.

      1. Alan says:

        The current minor facelift with range bump that’s in the pipeline and imminent is not the Gen 2 leaf as I read it.

        1. Alan says:

          Mind you, they could be just smokescreening ?

        2. WadeTyhon says:

          Well, if that ends up being the case that would be very dissapointing! I was hoping to see a next gen leaf announced in the spring to really get excitement brewing over the new EV models.

          I still read it as the ‘all new’ being the shared platform. And that the leaf will still get an update for the 2018 model year. but be on the old platform.

          1. Josh Bryant says:

            [cough] C [cough] E [cough] S [cough]

            1. WadeTyhon says:

              Woah you okay there, man? That cough sounds pretty bad!

              But your cold makes a good point. A certain someone will be making a certain something at a certain trade show.

              I am certainly interested to see if a new certain “still the best selling EV world-wide” will be shown.

              1. Assaf says:

                Dang it, they better have something worthwhile hit the US Nissan dealerships by June 2017, or our family will say bye-bye to the Leaf after nearly 5 years of loyal leasing.

  3. Mad says:

    I can’t believe 2020 for gen2 leaf. That would be way too long.

    I bet they’ll do 2018 at the latest.

    1. WadeTyhon says:

      I wouldn’t worry… that isn’t how I read the article at all. 🙂

      From what I understood from the article, the leaf will get it’s “…already-planned facelift in 2018 (and after a range bump next year)”

      The next-next leaf will be after 2021.

  4. Brian says:

    I’m with Alan/Mad. I don’t understand how Nissan could wait until 2020 for the second generation Leaf. The car will be noncompetitive next year. Three years of stagnation will make most people abandon the Leaf I would think.

    1. Reddy says:

      It’s already non-competitive THIS year and LAST year.

      1. Assaf says:

        Outside the US, the 30 kWh 2016 Leaf has been highly competitive.

        In fact, as of October it still leads the global year-to-date sales list.

        The Model S is likely to overtake it by a narrow margin in December, but the #2 spot is all but guaranteed for the Leaf, the same spot it (barely) held in 2015, after a dominating #1 in 2013 and 2014.

        http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2016/11/world-top-10-october-2016.html

      2. Brian says:

        Really? What other EV could be had in all 50 US states, and around the world, with a true 100+ mile range for less than $30k? This year or last?

        It is only non-competitive when you pit it against near-future vehicles like the Bolt.

  5. DonC says:

    I wouldn’t worry too much about vehicle size. Modern platforms are versatile, and sharing a platform doesn’t dictate that the vehicles have to have the same dimensions. Small sedans and CUVs share platforms but can have very different wheelbases, slightly different tracks, and very different exterior and carrying capacity.

    I’d hope we’ll see a next generation Leaf before the 2020 MY.

  6. Andrew S says:

    There is NO WAY Nissan will wait until 2020 to release gen 2 LEAF. Chevy will probably be teasing Gen 3 Volt by then.

    1. leafowner says:

      And gen 2 Bolt…

  7. R.S says:

    They should have gone for a single platform a long time ago. It would have made development much cheaper.

    And they could have come up with a pretty nice Bolt/M3 competitor by now, if they would have had a platform ready now.

    A pretty simple idea would be:

    Two motors(75 & 100kW), two pack sizes(40 and 60kWh), three vehicles. Zoe, Leaf and Leaf sized CUV.

    -The cheapest version Zoe gets the small motor and the small pack, with an option for the bigger motor, maybe in a higher trim.

    -The Leaf as well as the CUV get the small pack with the bigger motor as standard. And a bigger pack and two motor AWD, two small motors, as an option. A sport model could use two big motors or a big and small motor combination.

    That way they would have everything from a cheap 40kWh Zoe to a more pricy 200 mile AWD CUV all using the same cells, battery modules and motors. But ok, maybe by 2020, they will have recognized that an alliance is only good if you share your development.

    1. Reddy says:

      Excellent suggestions. Get a job with Nissan!

    2. G2 says:

      R.S wins the ‘elevator pitch’.
      Well done.

  8. Erik says:

    It is getting less and less likely Nissan will offer a substantially better (say 48kWh) Leaf in 2017. I am glad I reserved a Model 3 just in case there would not be a viable alternative when it hits the roads.

  9. Mdstj says:

    It sounds to me like Nissan has given up

    1. Anon says:

      Au contraire! They’re just very conservative running their business. Very conservative.

    2. Michael says:

      I think they are waiting and watching the competition to see what’s what. With the LEAF, they were guessing what the markets wanted. Even though 80% of all trips are well within the LEAF’s range, that didn’t translate into the sales they hoped for. It was logical, but didn’t connect with the emotional heart of their US customers. They also tried battery leasing and battery swapping. I think they are waiting to see how their competitors fare before making any decisions about the LEAF 2. Also they are probably trying to recoup their investment in the LEAF by squeezing out every last sale they can.

  10. John says:

    Maybe with a new platform they’ll finally include active liquid thermal management for the battery. One can always hope.

    If the gen 2 Leaf is just a facelift and update of the current offering, I doubt it will get better battery thermal management, and that’s a likely deal-breaker for me after our lease experience.

    The timeline in the article is going to put Nissan even further behind. Pretty disappointing.

  11. Chris says:

    Well…um….if the Zoe has CCS charging then the Leaf might switch to CCS as well? So RIP CHAdeMO??

    1. Anon says:

      At least in EU and US…

    2. speculawyer says:

      That’s what I was thinking.

      Nissan can use this as a face-saving way of flip-flopping on this issue now.

      “Yes, we are switching to CCS since we had to do that in order to harmonize with the Renault cars.” (Not a real quote.)

  12. notting says:

    So probably the next-gen Zoe will have CCS?! (according to an other news here)
    Why is that piece of information missing here?

    notting

  13. ModernMarvelFan says:

    So, it would be slow and sucky? LOL.

    1. Brian says:

      From other comments of yours, you seem like an intelligent enough person. Why is it, then, that you come to every Leaf article and troll about how slow it is? Can you just accept that it’s not the car for you and move on? Or why do you feel the need to dump on every thread with useless comments?

      1. Djoni says:

        Totaly agree!
        Just move on, it’s not for you, we get that.

      2. ModernMarvelFan says:

        “Can you just accept that it’s not the car for you and move on? Or why do you feel the need to dump on every thread with useless comments?”

        I am just following the “shinning examples” set by many others who choose to dump on “whatever EVs” they don’t like here.

        It is a tradition that someone has to carry on.

        Yes, I will dump on it until LEAF gets improved so it won’t be so crappy anymore.

        1. Brian says:

          Very well. Carry on making useless, obnoxious comments then. I’ll just ignore them and hope that other readers are intelligent enough to see through you.

    2. Jason says:

      The Leaf goes Ok. Takes off fast enough when you need to, sticks with traffic no problems, can do 110kmh (which is legal limit where I live). Pity about the battery degradation, I think that hurt Nissan more than anything (did Lizard battery improve it?).

      Range is about right for 24kwh pack, not sure how Ioniq can do so well with their 28kwh pack.

      Not much choice with EV where I live. I could get the insanely priced Tesla, the almost as insanely priced i3, or the reasonably affordable Leaf. Can’t afford Tesla, can afford Leaf, it goes Ok as far as I’m concerned, and really looking forward to New offerings if they every get released here.

  14. Sch says:

    Nissan can change the drivetrain to the next generation, improve cell chemistry maybe even add battery cooling and modern functions like ACC, all in the current model and save some sales. But it cannot improve aerodynamics or weight that much. And that could be the decisive factor for market failure Hyundai Ioniq has everything today and much better energy economy giving it a price advantage.
    We will see how that ends.

  15. Someone out there says:

    Hopefully they make the battery pack scalable so you could add or remove modules to get a variety of sizes for different cars.

  16. Disappointing. Nissan has pretty much given up their EV leadership position to any bona fide EV company that cares to challenge them, like Tesla with Model 3.

    By the time the 2020 Nissan LEAF / Renault Zoe shows up, Tesla will be selling hundreds of thousands of Model 3s.

    I also believe that we have woken up the German auto manufactures who, by 2020, will have serious competition for Nissan in Renault.

    I beleive that US manufacturers (except Tesla) are going into “EV coast mode” during the Trump years, so I don’t really expect anything too spectacular from any of them.

    That includes the GM Bolt EV, which I predict will sell in just CARB ZEV states and perhaps a few other places like Washington state, Chicago and Atlanta. Ford is out to lunch and Fiat / Chrysler really isn’t US anyway (but they both must still meet minimum ZEV numbers in CARB-ZEV states).

    1. Djoni says:

      Pretty well certain, the Bolt will sell all it could in Canada.

      1. PK says:

        In the 3 provinces with decent incentives they will. Elsewhere? Probably not so much.

    2. ModernMarvelFan says:

      “That includes the GM Bolt EV, which I predict will sell in just CARB ZEV states and perhaps a few other places like Washington state, Chicago and Atlanta.”

      So, those people that ordered Bolt in DFW, TX must be lying? LOL.

      Well, I predict that your prediction is wrong.

    3. All-Purpose Guru says:

      Chrysler Pacifica Plug-in.
      Chevrolet Bolt.
      Tesla Model III.
      New BEVs and Plug-in hybrids from Toyota and Honda.
      New electric Smart.
      New electric Mini.
      BMW i5.

      Yeah, sounds like they’re just coasting at this point.

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