Pure Electric Volvo XC90 SUV Coming Soon

5 months ago by Eric Loveday 36

Volvo Concept XC Reveal At 2014 NAIAS

Volvo Concept XC Reveal At 2014 NAIAS – This Concept Hints At The Design Direction of the Upcoming XC90

The Tesla Model X is going to have  a fair amount of competition within a few year’s time.

Volvo XC Concept At 2014 NAIAS

Volvo XC Concept At 2014 NAIAS – Production XC90 Will Be Significantly Larger

First up in terms of Model X competitors is the pure electric Audi SUV, which hasn’t been formally given a name (rumored to be the Q8) as of right now, but apparently boasts a range of up to 370 miles (NEDC).  As a point of comparison the Tesla Model S is rated at 310 miles on the same standard.

Next is the Volvo XC90 electric SUV.  Volvo hinted to Autocar that an electric XC90 is coming.  Quoting Autocar:

“…the XC90 will also come in hybrid form with an electric motor powering the rear wheels. Further down the line, a version of the XC90 equipped with an energy-harvesting flywheel on the rear axle is likely, while a pure electric version of the large SUV will have its batteries packaged in the centre tunnel and under the rear floor so interior space won’t be compromised.”

It’s our belief that Volvo wouldn’t do a pure electric XC90 unless it can compete with both the BEV Audi SUV and the Tesla Model S.  Therefore, we suspect Volvo will equip the BEV XC90 with a battery capable of delivering at least 200 miles of range.

Of course, the range estimate is pure speculation at this point, but Volvo views itself as a competitor to Audi, so falling short in terms of range would put Volvo at a disadvantage compared to its competition.

NAIAS 2014: Volvo Concept XC Reveal

NAIAS 2014: Volvo Concept XC Reveal

When?

Volvo doesn’t spell out when the electric XC90 will launch, but with Audi saying that its electric SUV will come out in either 2016 or 2017, we figure Volvo will do its best to launch the BEV XC90 within that same timeframe.

The all-new XC90 will launch within 1 year.  The plug-in hybrid version will come at a later point in time.  That will be followed by the pure electric XC90, which could possibly beat the BEV Audi SUV to market.

Source: Autocar

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40 responses to "Pure Electric Volvo XC90 SUV Coming Soon"

  1. Ocean Railroader says:

    I guess I should bet that this car will have a 80 mile range. I would be shocked if it did have a 200 mile range in that no one really seems to be taking on Tesla that much.

  2. kalle says:

    i have driven a pure electric volvo, i realy liked it (one of the best electric cars i have driven) to bad the range on that one whas crappy :(
    hopfully they will come out with a proper range for this one :D

  3. i8 says:

    in 2016 they’ll still be coming out with 80 mile range EV’s acting like their good while tesla will have 400-500 mile range ones lol tesla the goat

    1. Ocean Railroader says:

      If you think about it besides Tesla the EV ranges haven’t improved in almost five years. In that the Nissan leaf got 80 back in 2010 and it’s the 2015 model and they still get 80 miles in range.

      1. vdiv says:

        In almost five years?! The Baker Electric did over 80 miles per charge in 1915 using Edison batteries.
        http://www.pluginrally.org/electric-vehicle-delivered-to-congressman-oakey/

        And also looked much better too. Look at that gorgeous beauty!
        http://activeemobility.blogspot.com/2013/10/old-meets-new.html

        1. vdiv says:

          Meant to say Detroit Electric, not Baker.

          1. Ocean Railroader says:

            I saw that nice looking car. Think of what it could do with lithium batteries in it instead of lead acid.

            1. kdawg says:

              Also, more recently in 1996, the EV1 was rated at 70-100 miles.

        2. JakeY says:

          Throw it on the same EPA drive cycle as modern cars and see how much range it has (I doubt it can even keep up with all 5 cycles, maybe only the city one).

          Even comparing a more recent car like the EV1, which used the old 2-cycle EPA (or even more optimistic cycles, like steady state), is apples to oranges.

          It’s the same with people who like to bring up that the Ford Model T got 25 mpg (while our fleet average is in the low 20s).

          1. vdiv says:

            You couldn’t dive the car based on the EPA cycle back then. The point is given the conditions at the time, unpaved muddy roads, the car had the same range.

            I’ve done the opposite, I’ve driven my Volt at the breathtaking at that time speed of 35 mph (stop and go) and got 48 miles per charge.

            1. JakeY says:

              Something closer to older conditions would be the Japanese test cycle, which the Leaf gets 124 miles on.

          2. kdawg says:

            Saw your post after mine about the EV1. If it could go 100 miles on the 1996 test cycle, it would probably be at 80 miles w/today’s cycle. Either way.. we haven’t come very far in 20 years.

    2. ModernMarvelFan says:

      Tesla Model S won’t be due for redesign until Gen III comes out. That is after 2017, mostly likely 2018 or later…

      Even then, I would doubt 500 miles would happen easily without major battey improvement…

      1. Ocean Railroader says:

        If you wanted a 500 mile EV you would have to find away to get a battery that is 30% better then existing tech. Tesla would have a easier time with something like that given their battery packs are already huge. It’s not impossible and if Elon Musk said he is going to do it or it’s possible I would believe him more then the people.

        1. ModernMarvelFan says:

          I would say that is almost double today’s 85KWh. That is only 265 miles EPA rating. Unless energy density improves signicantly, you won’t get there easily.

          1. Jouni Valkonen says:

            In Europe Model S has NEDC range 310 miles. Who is to tell that American EPA is the only way to measure EV range? Tesla is in between as it is estimating 300 mile range for Model S.

            Anyway, Tesla has suggested that in 2015 there should come 115 kWh version avalaible.

            Also Model S is not your regular car that gets better by periodical facelifts and new versions, but it is evolving evolutionary. That is, Tesla is continuously improving the design and is introducing new features. E.g. last time there were new armor plates introduced for better protection of battery.

            Tesla is a peculiar car as it gets better after every software update!

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              Please spare me with the “laughable” European Test cycles which is far slower than EPA test cycles.

              If you are going to drive around cities all day, then why do you need 400 miles range?

              Tesla is unique that it gets some updates periodically. But most of that is due to make its potential buyer and current buyer happy. That is constant product improvement. But that is different from major design changes. Even Elon has mentioned that redesign of the Model S will follow after Gen III is out.

      2. Spec9 says:

        400 or 500 miles is just stupid, IMHO. Just a massive lug of battery to haul around that you rarely ever use.

        That said, they should still build it and charge $150K to whoever is foolish enough to buy them.

        1. Cavaron says:

          I wouldn’t put it in these harsh words, but yes, 85kWh batteries are enough. Just make them cheaper, lighter and smaller, that will improve range too. More and better fast charging will also help.

          1. Jouni Valkonen says:

            I disagree, when the 115 kWh version of Model S comes to the market sometime in 2015, it will be the best selling version. So people need more range to make traveling more comfortable. Especially at highway speeds that may exceed 130 km/h.

        2. ModernMarvelFan says:

          400-500 miles would be nice if the battery is super light and cheap.

          That is the key. If they are still as heavy and as costly, then the rules of diminishing return kicks in…

          The upside is that you will need less charging cyles which will make the battery pack last longer…

      3. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

        500mi battery would likely be ~125kWh usable, so call it 150kWh. 150kWh/8k cells = 18.75Wh per cell, or 5Ah @ 3.75V per cell. I doubt there’s anything currently available and reliable in 18650s that can do that, but AFAIK Panasonic’s got 4Ah, though not at 3.7V.

        1. ModernMarvelFan says:

          That is why we need a major improvement before that can happen.

          Also, 18650 format is NOT ideal for automotive application. It was cheap b/c laptops used them. But today, all laptops and personal electronics are migrating to smaller format battery. 18650 is NOT ideal for cooling. This is probably why Tesla is betting on its own factory with its own optimized format for automotive application.

      4. TomArt says:

        As I’ve posted elsewhere over the last 6 months, they already have the batteries (4.0 Ah 18650s) at least for EPA ratings of 300+ miles. The problem is cost.

    3. scott franco says:

      Sigh, another “super range” zealot. You are never going to see a 400 mile Tesla. Dragging around that much battery is inefficient and unnecessary. Charging faster (15-30 min) is far more efficient and gives EVs effectively infinite range. It is also far cheaper than huge batteries.

      Leave the power at the charger and work on lighter and cheaper cars.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        Actually charging faster will happen in a larger battery pack.

        So, as long as you can supply the current, the 70% capacity of the larger pack will always be larger than the 70% of the smaller pack. Regardless, the first 70% will be the fastest charging possible. That is why a larger pack will have potentially higher range in the same given charging time.

        1. scott franco says:

          I refer you to Spec9′s solution, that is, super range batteries will perhaps be available for those who lack trust in chargers and have extra cash to spend. Certainly Tesla demonstrated that buyers will pay extra for that.

          However, basic math shows the need for range above 200 miles or so, given an adequate charging infrastructure, exists mainly between the ears.

  4. pjwood says:

    The service flyers, trying to get our out-of-warranty VWG car back to their bays affirm something, for me. Audi won’t release an all-electric SUV until perhaps they’re already ~10% of the market. Not PHEV, BEV. I think we have years of small battery PHEVs, followed by maybe 2, or 3, BEV SUV variants, before Audi will recognize the lost blood in market share outweighs the lost revenues of service. That is when they will act.

    1. scott franco says:

      Depends. At $35k, 50KWH BEV would/will revolutionize the market, and sweep the hybrids into the trash can of history.

      Why? Because with that and a fast charger, you can demonstrate effective equivalence to a gas car (provided FAST is <= 15 minutes).

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        That is a laughing statement…

        $35K 50KWh car doesn’t exist yet. When it does, it is still potentially to have a PHEV that is 20KWh and cheaper than a $25K…

        1. evnow says:

          What is laughable is the idea that PHEVs with a decent EV range will be much cheaper than BEVs. The complexity of PHEVs will ensure that won’t happen.

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            Most BEV purist thinks that PHEV complexity is more expensive. That is just NOT true.

            An ICE cost around $2/HP for large manufacturers to produce. CVT transmission cost less than $500 to make. At those price point, the complexity is still cheaper than extra 30KWh at $150/KWh…

            A Computer is far more complex your dinning room table. But it cost far less.

            Using “complexity” to judge the cost of things is just naive…

            1. vadik_veselovsky says:

              You can buy a very cheap dinner table for under $20 but you cannot find a new computer for that money.

              Because what matters is cost, not price, and the cost of complexity is very very real.

  5. cab says:

    We really like our Volvo XC60…a PHEV version of that (as shown a year or so ago) would be sweet. The V60 PHEV got great reviews, but is way too pricey.

  6. Jouni Valkonen says:

    It is curious how awkward position Tesla has pushed the establishment. They thought that they do not need to invest on electric cars still for decades, but to fill some loose government regulations of zero emission cars and design few poor compliance cars that no one really do not want.

    But as there is Tesla making push with not one but perhaps two gigafactories that are able to produce cheap batteries for perhaps million electric cars and grid storage markets, this really is starting to be a serious thread for German and Swedish premium car manufacturers, who have previously dismissed electric transportation as green minded niche project.

  7. Anon says:

    It’s nice to see Volvo joining the “Look, we have a Model X Clone, too” bandwagon. Maybe Elon should have started with an SUV BEV, instead of the Sedan?

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