Porsche May End Diesel Offerings, Switch To Electric

2 weeks ago by Mark Kane 10

Porsche Panamera 4 E-Hybrid

Porsche (as part of Volkswagen Group) also suffers from the recent Dieselgate scandal, and according to company CEO Oliver Blume, Porsche is considering whether or not to ditch diesel engines.

The German brand currently diversifies its powertrain portfolio via petrol, electric and plug-in hybrids. The future of diesel to be decided by the end of the decade…which in product planning terms, is like – right now.

Porsche Solarpylon, Porsche Zentrum Berlin-Adlershof

Originally, Porsche joined fading diesel technology late, in 2009, and sold only 15% of its car with diesel.  There something about performance and luxury that doesn’t scream diesel we suppose.

However, company still needs to deal with Dieaselgate prosecutors:

“German prosecutors last month started investigating Porsche staff to see whether they were involved in designing illicit engine-control software and regulators are examining whether the Cayenne was fitted with such a device.”

It’s clear that a move away from diesel will be simple if the 2019 Mission E turns into the success the company thinks it will be (some ~20,000 are expected to be produced in 2019). Porsche could then introduce another Mission E-based battery electric model, and lower its average emissions yet again.

“Battery-only vehicles could account for a quarter of Porsche’s sales by 2025, give or take 5 to 10 percentage points, Blume said, contradicting a media report that said up to half of its output by 2023-24 could be electric.

Porsche and Audi, which together contribute 60 percent of VW’s profits, are targeting “significant savings” in development and material costs for their electric-car programs by sharing a new production platform code-named PPE, Blume said.

The new architecture will allow both brands to save money by sharing components and modules, helping Porsche with a goal of keeping its return on sales at about 15 percent a year, he said.”

source: Reuters

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10 responses to "Porsche May End Diesel Offerings, Switch To Electric"

  1. CLIVE says:

    Bless Porsche’s little heart.

    They are only doing it because they are being forced to change because they are now suffering from their deceptive business practises.

  2. Some Guy says:

    Talking of scandal, something is about to go down in Germany in the near future. Apparently the 5 main manufacturers (VW, Daimler, Audi, Porsche and BMW) have been forming a cartel already over 20 years ago to influence legislation, deliberatly conspire to cheat on regulations and to force suppliers into lower prices, but charging customers a premium which the others would not underbid. They basically eliminated competition. It went on for decades until it recently came to light: When some cops confiscated evidence on Dieselgate at VW headquarters, they accidently took some files regarding the cartel thing, and VW filed a police report admitting to the wrongdoing and ratted on the others in hope of a reduced sentence. Daimler apparently tried, too, when they heard about the plan, but was a little too late with the filing. BMW is now really screwed, as the only one who did not come clean on their own (although they are the ony ones trying to sell EVs and were unaffected by Dieselgate so far).
    perhaps worthwhile investigating in the US, too…

  3. Nada says:

    I am shocked that Volvo is the only company that has officaly ditched diesel…
    All automakers are truely legacy when it comes to ditching outdated tech…

    1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

      You shouldn’t be shocked. Volvo is now effectively a small Chinese company selling premium vehicles.

      Given the political realities around diesel, and given the challenges and the costs of developing good, modern ICEVs, it really makes sense for small manufacturers to drop diesel and go PHEV-gasoline and BEV instead.

  4. alohart says:

    All automakers may be forced to quit selling direct injection gasoline engines as well. By chance last week, I sat next to a Volvo engineer on a 3-hour ferry ride between Sweden and Denmark. He told me that the exhaust of modern direct injection gasoline engines contains tiny, very dangerous particles that can enter the blood stream carrying nasty chemicals on their surfaces. This makes these engines no better than diesel engines.

    So we continue to learn how really dangerous ICE’s really are. How much longer will auto manufacturers continue trying to make ICE’s safe when compelling EV’s are available now with many more to come?

    1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

      Somebody didn’t heard about particulate filters :/ They will be required in Europe for petrol direct injection engines just like for diesel ones, and particulates are going to be counted by number, not just by mass, so splitting them into smaller ones will not work. Not that it would clear all pollution, but it can reduce particulates a lot, as long as there is political will to enforce regulations. EU was a bit lacking the will so far.

      EPA in the US should do the same.

      1. Ambulator says:

        No problem. We in the USA can lack will with the best of them.

      2. Some Guy says:

        Your assumption is incorrect. When Diesel engines from France first came with the particulate filters, the German manufacturers claimed: We can make Diesel clean without a filter!, then defined the test criteria and tuned the engines in a way that indeed made particles finer than the rather crude instruments for testing were capable of detecting. Surely they would not try that again…

    2. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

      Here’s the ICCT (the group that initiated Dieselgate):

      http://www.theicct.org/controlling-gdi-particulate-emissions

      So it shouldn’t be a big problem, especially when combined with PHEV.

      1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

        And here’s a note about ARB’s rules

        http://www.meca.org/regulation/epa-tier-3-and-california-lev-iii-rulemakings

        “With the expectation that direct injection technology will be rolled out over a larger portion of the gasoline light-duty fleet, ARB established more stringent particulate matter (PM) limits for light- and medium-duty vehicles. For light-duty vehicles, a 3 mg/mi FTP PM standard begins in 2017 for both LEV III and Tier 3, and is fully phased-in by 2021 for LEV III and by 2022 for Tier 3. The LEV III regulations continue to tighten to a 1 mg/mi FTP PM limit that begins in 2025 with a four-year phase-in across the fleet. MDVs (8500-10,000 lbs.) will need to meet an 8 mg/mi FTP PM standard and the heavier MDVs (10,000-14,000 lbs.) a 10 mg/mi standard starting in 2017 (fully phased in by 2021). “

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