Opel CEO: We Drove The Ampera-E 259 Miles To Paris Motor Show To Prove Its Real-World Range

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Opel Ampera-E In Paris

Opel Ampera-E In Paris

Opel Ampera-E In Paris

Opel Ampera-E In Paris

In Elon Musk/Tesla-like fashion, Opel decided to drive the Ampera-E from London to Paris to appear on the stage at the 2016 Paris Motor Show.

Tesla has staged a similar event before, but this is a first for Opel.

From Opel’s press release:

“During his speech at the Opel press conference Dr.Neumann said: “Here is our all-new Opel Ampera-e! ‘Das Elektroauto!’ The electric vehicle for everyone! The new Ampera-e redefines electric mobility by tackling the biggest hurdle: range. Based on a couple of preliminary NEDC tests, the vehicle is capable of running more than 500 kilometers on one charge….We will introduce the car in Europe in the first half of next year.”

But here’s the part on driving the Ampera-E to the show:

“During the press conference, Dr. Neumann also revealed that, as proof of the range, an Ampera-e drove the distance from London to Paris – 417 kilometers on the road – on a single battery-charge last weekend. And the batteries were still not empty when it arrived at the venue of the “Mondial de l’Automobile“. The on-board computer showed a remaining range of 80 kilometers thus demonstrating that the Ampera-e can achieve a range of around 500 kilometers under everyday traffic conditions.”

Converting to miles, that works out to driving 259 miles with the computer showing 50 miles of range remaining, or a theoretical total range on this drive of approximately 309 miles. That easily beats out the EPA range rating of the Bolt/Ampera-E duo of 238 miles and still far exceeds the city rating of 255 miles, but is in line with Bolt first-drive reports that claim 290 miles is well within reach.

Opel concluded this part of the press release with this statement:

“To complete its collection of range measurements and in addition to this real world London to Paris drive and the NEDC tests, Opel also tested the Ampera-e approximated to the speed profile defined in the stringent WLTP (Worldwide Harmonized Light-Duty Vehicles Test Procedure) driving cycle (shortened test procedure). And the vehicle also delivers here: Based on this development test, the engineers estimate the combined WLTP range to be more than 380 kilometers. Naturally, the range in everyday use will vary and depends on personal driving behavior and on external factors.”

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57 responses to "Opel CEO: We Drove The Ampera-E 259 Miles To Paris Motor Show To Prove Its Real-World Range"

  1. JMIJON says:

    Copy Cats ! ha Ha ha Imitating Musk.. I don’t believe 80kl was remaining , must be a computer Glitch…0r it took them days to get there at low speeds …0r..it’s “HUNGAWA”

    1. BraveLilToaster says:

      No, they probably just didn’t count the bit where you take the Chunnel train to Calais.

      Plus traffic and that kind of thing.

      1. Ziv says:

        Nah, it is 462 kilometers or 287 miles from center of London to north end of Paris. The GM account subtracted the 20 something miles of the chunnel and they ended up driving the full 260 miles in addition to the 27-30 miles the car rode on the train.
        The Bolt probably took the M20, the A roads would have had the car stopping and starting in every little town on the way.
        The Bolt is walking the walk instead of just talking the talk.

    2. NoTesla Fanboi says:

      Really? Elon loves this kind of ‘competition’ it makes ALL EVs viable.

      Tesla FanBois are making Tesla look petty.

      Grow up.

  2. Terawatt says:

    And, contrary to what I and many others have been convinced would happen, there was no news for the LEAF.

    ZOE was kind of as expected – except I thought they would add CCS and be able to take 100 kW, since I reckon that’s the obvious thing to do!

    Still not clear what the Ampera-e can take though. I don’t really know why that information isn’t forthcoming. The KIA Soul EV, with a mere 28 kWh pack, can take 70 kW with no modifications. This was demonstrated in Norway early this year when Arctic Road demoed a 150 kW CHAdeMO station. The weird thing is that the standard isn’t finalized, but it still worked without modifying the car. Only the charger was running “out of spec” as far as I understood.

    I am pretty sure in any case that it’s possible to dimension the power stuff in the car for, say, 100 kW, and then either nothing or at most a (over the air) software update is all that would be required when the 150 kW chargers arrive.

    The Ampera-e is tempting. I really wish I knew what the silence from Nissan means. Perhaps the rumored facelift + battery update is real, but won’t be revealed until November? Maybe Nissan is going straight to 2.0..? Whatever they do, they better say or show something before the Ampera-e pricing are in place and Opel starts accepting orders.

    My Model 3 reservation is starting to look pretty shaky. I only have my LEAF and the restricted range is harder to accept now that there are more affordable EVs that can do so much more.

    But maybe I should wait for Kreisler rumored battery upgrades and forget about both the Model 3 and the Ampera-e?

    This has become more complicated than I imagined. 🙂

    1. BenjaminG says:

      I figured there’d be little to no Leaf news here. Nissan just last year upgraded it to 30-kwh battery. They’ll ride that more or less unchanged for another year before the Leaf Gen 2 comes out, IMO. There will be price drops if necessary to keep moving them over the next year.

      1. Peter says:

        NOOO way, wait one month..

        1. Jay Cole says:

          We’ve said it before, but Paris is all about Renault, the show is practically built for them at this point.

          Not sure where that rumor, or the 40 kWh car in September started (they did find some legs though, lol), but without saying too much, the US show season is almost upon us…so no one should take Nissan’s non-announcement in Paris (or previous non-introduction of an upgraded LEAF) as any indication of their lack of commitment going forward. It’s always been the US shows and 2017 retail sales for the new hotness for a long time for Nissan.

          1. BenG says:

            Cool, thanks for the info. I’ll hold out hope still, then, for a Gen 2 2017 Leaf. I hope it’s awesome.

    2. Matthijs says:

      The pressconferance stated that the Apera-e can charge at “almost” 150km range per 30 minutes at “public highway charging stations. (at 10:57)

  3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    Presumably this demonstration was done at low speed, averaging far less than freeway speed. Perhaps an average speed even lower than the “scenic drive” recently orchestrated by GM, a drive mostly along a coastal highway in California.

    Well, I give GM points for getting free publicity from a successful media event. I guess they are copying Tesla in more ways than one!

    But if people buy a Bolt/Ampera-e and expect real-world driving range to be anywhere close to this, then Chevrolet/Opel is going to get a heck of a lot of backlash from irate customers!

    1. SparkEV says:

      Bolt MPGe is better than SparkEV, and SparkEV gets about 5 mi/kWh at 62 MPH. Then 60 kWh would net about 300 miles. Assuming only 80% is used, that’s still 240 miles. There’s nothing wrong with claimed range.

      By the way, if you have questions about Bolt, look to real world tests of SparkEV. It will give you a better ideas on Bolt than blind guessing.

      1. The Bolt EV is closer in size, weight and aerodynamics to a LEAF than a Spark EV.

        Expect closer to 4 miles per kWh with nearly 60kWh usable (based on actual documented driving data)

        About 240 miles at 65mph indicated.

        1. SparkEV says:

          If MPGe rating is any indication of mi/kWh, Bolt is the same in highway as SparkEV and slightly better in city. Leaf is worse than SparkEV, so better comparison for Bolt is SparkEV.

          Now this is only going by stated MPGe, which I have my doubts. How can a much heavier and probably larger frontal area Bolt be more efficient than SparkEV when both have about the same Cd? One way would be to increase efficiency in other ways, but we won’t know until someone (you?) test it like you did with SparkEV. Until then, all we can go by is MPGe.

        2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          Tony Williams said:

          “About 240 miles at 65mph indicated.”

          That’s my point: that the figure you cite cannot be correct.

          GM is claiming 238 miles of EPA rated range for the Bolt/Ampera-e. And it’s said that the EPA range tests average 45 MPH city and 55 MPH highway, weighted toward 55. So the range at 65 MPH will definitely be less than 238 miles, in real-world driving.

          Therefore, either this demonstration has more to do with hypermiling than the actual capabilities of the car in real world driving, or else — more likely — it was another case of driving at substantially less than freeway speed, which would be 65-75 MPH.

          It is simply not possible that the car will get 240 miles at 65 MPH when driven in a normal fashion. That’s a fact, not mere opinion.

          1. SparkEV says:

            Again, Bolt MPGe is slightly better than SparkEV. While SparkEV EPA range is 82 miles, Tony tested almost 90 miles at 62 MPH. At 55 MPH I tested, range was almost 95 miles. There was no hypermiling in my test, just cruise control and few hundred feet elevation gain.

            With over 3.25X bigger battery on Bolt and better MPGe than SparkEV, it should get about 290 miles range at 62 MPH and over 300 miles range at 55 MPH.

            Now if you’re calling BS on EPA ratings, that’s a different story. But going by math using known figures, what they claim is true. Instead of FUD on the range claimed, you should rail against EPA ratings and how that’s flawed.

            1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

              EPA tests are quite demanding even if average speed is just 48 mph:
              http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml
              You can possibly get better results in real world if driving conditions are good and you don’t use heater.

          2. Well, your blather is quite obviously NOT fact.

            Range in a SPECIFIC configuration is not a difficult task. The only variables are consumption rate and stored energy.

            We already know the battery holds 60kWh usable when new (with a caveat that the displayed data on the car could is correct).

            The only remaining question is consumption at 62mph / 100km/h ground speed (typically about 65mph indicated on the dash).

            I think that consumption is at a low of 4 miles per kWh (much like the LEAF, Kia Soul EV and other similarly sized vehicles). It might be less consumption… who knows. It won’t be 5 miles per kWh.

            Now for the really simple math:

            60kWh * 3.0 = 180 miles
            60kWh * 3.5 = 210 miles
            60kWh * 4.0 = 240 miles
            60kWh * 4.5 = 270 miles

            The only thing we don’t know is at what speed the above consumption rates will occur.

            1. Here are my somewhat educated guesses:

              75mph) 60kWh * 3.0 = 180 miles
              70mph) 60kWh * 3.5 = 210 miles
              65mph) 60kWh * 4.0 = 240 miles
              60mph) 60kWh * 4.5 = 270 miles

            2. SparkEV says:

              Actually, we do know Bolt will be more efficient than Leaf or SoulEV based on MPGe ratings. Since Hwy MPGe is the same as SparkEV, it should approach what SparkEV got, which is about 5 mi/kWh. At what speed is unknown, sure, but I suspect at 55 to 60 MPH, it’d be close to 5.

              Also, SparkEV doesn’t use 100% of battery, but 18 kWh out of 19.2 kWh (96 * 3.7V * 54 Ah), which is 94%. If Bolt does the same, it’d be 56 kWh.

    2. Kdawg says:

      “But if people buy a Bolt/Ampera-e and expect real-world driving range to be anywhere close to this, then Chevrolet/Opel is going to get a heck of a lot of backlash from irate customers!”
      ——–

      But wasn’t that the whole point of the drive, to show what range you could get in the “real world”? And it is commonly known among EVs that YMMV, so I don’t think people are going to get upset.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        No, the whole point of the drive was to exaggerate the range that the Bolt/Ampera-e can be expected to achieve. That is the same objective as the “scenic drive” tests conducted in California.

        Not as bad an exaggeration as GM’s early (2010?) claim that the Volt gets 230 MPG, but still an exaggeration.

        1. cmg186 says:

          With all due respect, you seem to be looking for a conspiracy where there is none. GM/Opel claimed ‘real-world’ range, not highway range. Why are you conflating the two? I don’t know anyone that drives 100% highway, so OF COURSE this ‘real world’ range was at mixed speeds.

        2. Bill Howland says:

          This guy has no shame. Just repeating the same post over and over again with no information, and who has been absolutely been proven wrong regarding everything regardingthe BOLT, like the ‘impossibility’ of a 60 kwh battery.

          Re: the 230 mpg marketing of the 2011volt, I just purchased a 2012 volt (unbelievably beautiful car for $12,000 – Crystal Red Tintcoat- nicer than my ELR), and listed for almost $46,000 with every factory option and several dealer installed ones (Sun Shades, Radar, blue headlights) pushing the value even higher- anyway the previous owner who seems like the typical ev owner other than, he obviously has a lead foot- never reset the odometer in the 2 years he’s had it – and the ‘avg mpg’ was 220. This is a real car with a real indication, not some mental masturbation.

          The one thing I did *NOT* know when shopping for a used EV was, 1). THere are NO Leafs for sale in Western NY ; 2). Generally speaking, a used VOLT is the SAME PRICE as an equivalent used CRUZE, making the VOLT an unbelievable value.

        3. zzzzzzzzzz says:

          Wallstreet shill P.P. can’t stop trashing electric cars without Tesla badge.
          Just stop pumping and trolling, dump your TSLA and go on with your life. You won’t pump it any further anyway, it is stuck.

        4. Kdawg says:

          So you think this is an exaggeration even though it happened in the real world? What should GM have done when they drove from London to Paris? Stop half-way and put the Bolt EV on a truck and say…”well I guess we’ll never know”.

          Why is everything a conspiracy?

  4. Dan Hue says:

    Way to go GM. I think they have a winner, and they know it.

    1. JIMIJON says:

      Can Imitators ever become Innovators??? That is the Question!

  5. Emir says:

    Charging is still a question mark with this car. I hope they get to their senses and add the ability to AC charge 22kW (3phase 32A) for the Euro version. In my country we only have 2DC chargers (installed by bmw) but many 22kW AC chargers. Even if there weren’t any, 3 phase plugs are easy to come by everywhere.

    ZOE can take full advantage of 3 phase AC and has 280km real world expected (by me) range. Ampera-e on the other hand has 430km real world range probably. If Ampera can charge 7kW I would take ZOE any day. Replesnisment > range after a certain amount of range.

    1. Peter says:

      What country are you from Emir?
      Don’t you have any 43 kW AC chargers either?

      1. Emir says:

        Turkey.

        We have one company called esarj and their stations max out at 22kW. We also have two DC CCS stations installed by BMW.

  6. Michael Will says:

    Still waiting for Nissan changing everything again

    1. Ziv says:

      Good luck with that. Nissan is asleep at the wheel and their reputation is getting worse by the day. But they might promise to deliver a better BEV, maybe, eventually. Nissan’s Leaf is dead or dieing in everywhere but Japan.
      30k in NA in 2014, 17k in 2015 and it looks like 11k in 2016, if the numbers get better. 30, 17, 11. Nissan is mostly dead.

  7. Viggo says:

    I ordered mine today.

    1. terminaltrip421 says:

      happy to hear it ♥

    2. sveno says:

      You mean the US version – Bolt EV? I am just curious because there is no pricing for Ampera-e.

      1. Viggo says:

        Hi Sveno. The Ampera -e in Norway.

    3. zzzzzzzzzz says:

      Congratulations 🙂

  8. EVs_are_the_future says:

    Why go from London to Paris? This car is not even coming to our great nation? I mean starting off with a fanfare in a country that will get the vehicle makes more sense. Those people who witnessed it may be interested but if you are in the UK its a total irrelevance if we cannot actually buy it.

    Dont get me wrong I think this is the game changer for those lucky enough to be in a region getting it.

    1. Kdawg says:

      It was to show people in Paris, they can drive their Ampera-e to London to show it off. 🙂

      (Supposedly Vauxhall is pushing for a BEV for the UK)

  9. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_harmonized_Light_vehicles_Test_Procedures

    Oh yes, that Class 3 test looks like a really tough range test.

  10. pjwood1 says:

    Ampera-E and much better European CCS

    Peanut butter & Jelly.

  11. mhpr262 says:

    The range is probably quite realistic. When I drive through the German countryside on normal two-lane highways I am very hard pressed to exceed an average speed of 40mph, with all the low speed limits in villages and small towns and having to crawl behind the trucks and tractors one is forced to share the road with.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Do you typically drive long distances on two-lane highways?

      Personally, I prefer freeways with at least four lanes for driving long distance, to avoid exactly the same problems you cite. And the freeway speed limits are generally faster, too.

      Perhaps freeways aren’t as common outside the USA, the Autobahn notwithstanding?

      1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

        Top speed limit in France on dedicated highways (as interstates in the US) for cars is 130 km/h or 110 km/h when raining. It may be lower. Trucks and buses need to drive slower than cars. 50 km/h in urban areas. Enforcement is strong, and you can have your car confiscated if you drive way too fast.

  12. DK says:

    To me, an EV enthusiast in Finland still waiting to purchase his first, the Ampera-E is irrelevant as the biggest reseller here has said that here in Finland one can order Ampera-E only a year from now. I’ll have plenty money for a Model S downpayment by then. Too bad. Most likely many other EU markets will get the Ampera-E late also.

  13. My question still is, how fast can it be charged via AC? Any news on that?

    1. Bill Howland says:

      Since no one else is answering, I’d guess the same as BMW is doing, namely, roughly the same charge rates as North America, but with 3-phase chargers and Mennekes connectors, (10 amp @ 400 volts) – and 50 kw CCS.

  14. @stockshaman says:

    The future is lithium powered electric human transport systems. #Lithium #Nevada #mining “The perfect Lithium Basin”? Kibby Basin,Nevada, 120 miles from Tesla’s “Giga 1”
    http://ow.ly/BX0C304JJsA

  15. ModernMarvelFan says:

    He is doing it before Brexit would close that tunnel and charge an extra fee before you are allowed to do that again. =)

  16. Rick Bronson says:

    They should have driven at 120 km/h which is 70 mph. So 240-260 mile range is feasible. Thats great. Will the Ampera be built in Detroit.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Rick Bronson said:

      “They should have driven at 120 km/h which is 70 mph. So 240-260 mile range is feasible.”

      Maybe they “should have”, but obviously they didn’t. Obviously they used some trick to demonstrate an unrealistically long range; either hypermiling or, more likely, simply driving slow. No way is a typical driver going to exceed the EPA rated range when driving faster than the speed the EPA tests are conducted at!

      It’s amazing how much range you can get if you drive a steady 25-30 MPH.

      1. SparkEV says:

        I thought I replied to this, maybe it got deleted or you’re posting the same FUD.

        SparkEV got far more miles at 62 MPH (98 miles) than EPA rating (82 miles), so your assertion that higher than EPA speed would result in lower range for all cars is simply wrong.

        I don’t know about the drive they did, but you must slow down when you hit traffic. Then your average speed drops, and you get more miles per kWh. 70 MPH is only for short distance around here, I suspect similar near London – Paris route, which may result in much lower average speed. And unlike gas cars where friction brakes kill gas, slow moving traffic is great for EV with strong regen (about 75% or more recovery).

        So stop spreading FUD that they purposely slowed down, etc. What they got is in-line with real world driving with traffic that I expect from a car with same MPGe rating as SparkEV but with 3.25X bigger battery.

  17. Matthijs says:

    The pressconferance stated that the Apera-e can charge at “almost” 150km range per 30 minutes at “public highway charging stations”. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7qGnLAVyChE (at 10:57)

  18. Mike says:

    Somebody out there must have spotted it crossing the tunnel or on a ferry?

  19. Jason says:

    This is great, a main stream EV with excellent range. Don’t worry about anything else, Tesla Model 3 and Nissan Leaf 2.0 will come to market is a short time. All other manufacturers will get on board eventually, and range will improve in coming years. So the future of EV’s is now and it looks like a bright future. I hope the decide to build a RHD version and export to Australia.

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