Nissan To Unveil New Wireless Charging System In Geneva

2 years ago by Mark Kane 42

Nissan Fuel Station of the Future Teaser Image

Nissan Fuel Station of the Future Teaser Image

Nissan Fuel Station of the Future Teaser Image

Nissan Fuel Station of the Future Teaser Image

For the last few months, Nissan and international architect Foster + Partners have been working on the Fuel Station of the Future concept.

We don’t know what the future will be exatly, but from the images and teaser video, it seems the future will be wireless.

Wireless charging of cars doesn’t have power output abilities on par with DC fast chargers which one might find at the “fuel station of the future“, so we expect that this is only part of a broader vision.

At the moment Nissan is developing a 7 kW wireless charging system (for the 2nd generation LEAF)- which is more than decent for home use

“Last month, Nissan announced a 7kW wireless charging device that could easily accommodate overnight charging for a larger battery pack – like the 500 km, 60 kW pack that is currently in development at the company’s Research and Development headquarters in Atsugi, Japan.”

Presentation of Fuel Station of the Future is scheduled for next March, probably in Geneva.

“The teaser – a 20-second video – previews the final concept which will be unveiled in March next year.”

David Nelson, Head of Design, Foster + Partners explains:

“As we look ahead at the next 10 years, autonomous cars, artificial intelligence and greater connectivity will come at great pace – and it is our job as architects to inspire and support that change.”

“Pre-empting those developments and integrating technologies to offer urbanites a totally seamless experience is vital, if we are to succeed in creating cities that serve us.”

Richard Candler, General Manager, Advanced Product Strategy said:

“We’ve been at the forefront of zero emission mobility since 2010, and for us this project is about inspiring people to come on the journey with us.

“The world around us is changing, and we find that tremendously exciting. With the rise of connected cities, there is the capacity for fueling to be built into the very fabric of our day-to-day lives – independent infrastructure could be a thing of the past.”

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42 responses to "Nissan To Unveil New Wireless Charging System In Geneva"

  1. ggpa says:

    Hi Nissan, it is ok to focus your research on batteries at this stage.

    I think I speak for all EV owners that we would rather have a plug and 50kWh capacity, than 24kWh and wireless.

    1. Jeff Songster says:

      Nothing wrong with multiple alternatives. Inductive for parking garages at longer term places like theaters and shopping centers… eliminates the wire maintenance of plugs and sockets, broken connectors, driven over wires etc. Also need 50kW or higher DCQC whether the very useful CHAdeMO (with its proven V2H and newer gun style connectors is well installed here in the SF Bay Area)or CCS which when installed better combines the plugs.
      For most folks the cordless would ultimately make charging simpler at home. The J1772 works fine for me. Glad they seem to be getting the power rating up for the wireless.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        It is fine to offer it or work on it. But most EV buyers care about efficiency.

        Why lose another 10% just for the “saving few seconds of plugging it in”?

        As far as “damages” go, the wireless chargers are subject to damages too. Although they are less prone to mechanical wear.

        But the efficiency of the charger is heavily influenced by the distance between charging surfaces which lowers real world efficiency even further.

  2. Pete says:

    Be happy that you get more, i think 40 – 60 kWh in 2017 like the Bolt, 7 kW wirless charging and higher DC charging power.

  3. Meh … more interested in seeing 10-12 kW AC wired charging capability. (onboard)

    A significant number of Level2 charging station docks already support 10 kW, or more. (specifically referring to N.America)

    1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      …and in Europe most newer chargers supports either 22kW or 43kW AC.

      So, yes – support for 11kW or higher AC would be *very* welcome.

      Building AC ‘chargers’ is extremely less costly than building DC chargers. So there is a huge potensial for AC destination chargers with 11/22kW. These should be installed on hotels, restaurants, resorts, shopping malls etc.

  4. Anon says:

    True Story:

    I had a dream that my cat (I don’t actually have a cat at present, so it was just a dream cat), laid down between the charge pad and receiver, curled up under my parked EV in the garage– and it cooked him. 🙁

    Maybe there was metal on the cats collar, that inductively heated up? I don’t recall that detail; just pulling out the charred remains of my pet and feeling upset.

    Should I be worried?

    1. ffbj says:

      No. You are not a cat. Well at least you should not worry about non-existent cat frying itself. On the other hand maybe there is something for you to worry about.

      If I were to analyze this dream I would suspect that you have feelings that your past childish interests/infatuations are being burnt to a crisp by modern more mature pursuits.

      Meanwhile, in addition there may be residual felines of guilt, concerning your cats demise, as in somehow you, by some oversight we responsible for its passing.

      1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

        I think you shouldn’t worry too much about side effects of inductive chargers, because:

        1. The energy is transmitted using magnetic fields – not microwaves. Magnetic fields is not known to interfere on living organisms – other than e.g. birds and bees’ navigation.
        2. The only way for magnetism to heat up a pet’s collar, is by the pet’s collar being magnetic in the first place – most metals are not, and no non-metallic materials i know of are either.
        3. If your pet (wearing a magnetic iron collar) should enter between the inductive transmitter and receiver, it still wouldn’t be affected much, since these would be tuned for using a specific frequency and distance – worst case, the collar would be heated some – and the pet would live quickly because of mild pain.

        I used to work in a magnesium factory, where the currents exceeded 300.000 Amperes, and of course generated extreme magnetic fields making yours keys twist and turn in your pockets and your mechanical wristwatch stop forever. Other people had worked there for 50 years and noone had ever experienced any health effect because of the magnetic fields.

      2. Brian says:

        “felines of guilt”

        LOL! I don’t know if you did that on purpose, but that was hysterical!

        1. Anon says:

          That was pretty funny. 😀

          And now that it was mentioned, the wireless pad in the dream was likely part of a microwave based DC Fast Charger unit that won’t exist for a number of years yet.

    2. Bill Howland says:

      Yeah, I’d be concerned Anon.

      Americans are not known for their Longevity.

      Even though we spend far more per capita on health care America is in first place for infant deaths. The question has to be asked why?

      We were always told that non-ionizing radiation cannot harm us. Oops that was a mistake, we’ve finally found. Now myself, I’ve heard too many annocdotal stories of friends’ health problems to just be coincidental.

      For one thing, the American Cancer Society will *NOT* publish geographic locations known to have high incidents of Cancer.

      Some children are very suceptible to the microwave radiation of multiple wifi devices in classrooms.

      I’m an amateur radio operator since I was 16, so I’ve made acquaintences over the years. Every single one of friends and acquaintences who were stationed at broadcast transmitter sites died young.

      We are talking about something somewhat different here, but until it is absolutely PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt these wireless things are safe, I wouldn’t let my pets not any human be anywhere near the thing while it is operating.

      I realize some here may have rhumetoid arthritis and cannot operate the j1772 connector easily without pain. – Wireless charging devices for these people must seem like a Godsend.

      Even so, I’d keep my distance while the device is in operation. And keep the pets in the house.

      1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

        Bill, you cannot compare microwave or high-power radio waves with magnetism, and expect to be taken serious.

        Microwave ovens got popular *because of* microwaves’ known feature – water absorbs the waves. This fact is used to transfer energy from the microwave transmitter to the water-containing food.

        When you mention WiFi – have you considered that most WiFi’s have a frequency just below microwave (2,4GHz) and just above microwave (5GHz)?
        – of course there is a chance for WiFi to have an effect on water-containig living beings. Though WiFi is very low-effect radio, so harm should be neglible.

        You mention High-Power radio transmitters also, and newer research suggest that long time exposure to high-power radio increases cancer risk, so that might also be worth avoiding.

        But how on earth you can infer that onto magnetism beats me. Have you even considered that *lots of people* now install 5-7kW induction heaters in their kitchen for their daily cooking. There they (me included) spend typically 1+ hour a day very close to these powerful magnetic fields – have you ever heard of anyone being hurt by doing that?
        – No, thought so….

        1. PVH says:

          Wow, that was nice to read, thanks. Obviously lots of knowledge into those lines. A refreshing change.

      2. Aaron says:

        The American Cancer Society DOES publicly provide cancer maps. Stop spreading FUD. C’mon people! At least check what you’re posting rather than just relaying hearsay! >:(

        http://statecancerprofiles.cancer.gov/map/map.noimage.php

        1. Bill Howland says:

          IN the first place, what is FUD?
          Oh, ok Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

          I don’t see where you’ve said anything that disproves my claim – the greatest ‘precision’ I could find is ‘by county’. I thought they’d list things with more precision than that, when I say that they don’t list things, so please come up with a map that is more detailed than by county.

          I’m willing to accept new information, but the general maturity level of the responses here, is pretty low. And of course, the wireless representatives have to be quick to nip any desired testing in the bud, since it impacts sales, and profitability.

          Not you Lou, and I respect your opinion. There are 4 ‘fields’, and a few substances that are suspect when it comes to health risks.

          1). Electrostatic
          2). Electro-Magnetic (high frequency)
          3). Magnetic (relatively low frequency)
          4). EM in the ultraviolet range (Gamma, etc).
          5). ‘Hot Particles’.

          Of the 5 items, admittedly I have the least information on Magnetic Field effects.

          Induction stoves I’m not concern about in the slightest (I’ve never mentioned them, so your mentioning them is a false straw man that you can immediately knock down).

          The reason? The inductive coupling is very close – there are not many stray magnetic fields, and trivial amounts I’m not worried about.

          Instead of you guys stomping your feet , and showing me maps with essentially no detail, give me the magnetic field strength while the unit is in operation. If the field is very TIGHT, then the only concern will be if pets get near the thing, and will narrow down the scope of the concern.

          Even one of the engineers at Mercedes Benz a few years ago mentioned there has not been sufficient testing of these units to guarantee safety. Since they pride themselves on their engineering skill, I’m in good company.

          If some information is easily obtainable, (which it is) such as magnetic field strength at various distances it should be readily documented.

          As a general vague rule, and without testing, I’m much more in favor of the close-coupled inductive coupling such as apparently Nissan is testing, and the inductive coupler such as the EV1 had. These are so closely coupled, I’d guess, and admittedly it is JUST a guess, that there would not be much leakage.

          Now Lou, none of my friends who died you would judge to be poor. since you are talking about nationwide, I thought we were the richest country in the world? No? How about the most free? Don’t like those questions? How about 4 out of 7 then?

          Any responses to this posting should include field strengths at various distances. How about someone who HAS one of the PLUGLESS units actually test it with a meter while the car is charging? That would add meaningful knowledge to the discussion.

      3. Lou says:

        Bill: I always enjoy reading your posts. However, I’d suggest that the reason for the relatively high infant mortality rate in the US has to do with lack of medical care for the poor and/or poor nutritional habits by pregnant mothers. Nationalized medicine may or may not have its place, but I think it leads to better care for the very young. Just an opinion, I have no data to back that up but I suspect that I am correct.

        Lou

        1. Bill Howland says:

          Well I can mention one thing about infants, – our baby formulas have much less nutrition than any of the stuff Purina makes for any small animals such as rats. Compare the labels. I’m not going to go far off subject, but its just something I’ll drop into the conversation.

  5. John F says:

    Wireless charging defeats the ability to take advantage of Vehicle-to-grid opportunities. It is also less efficient than plugging in. In the big scale of things, wireless charging seems like it will fit a small niche. Perhaps it will work for buses that go from stop to stop and charge wireless at each stop. Perhaps it will work for cabs that line up on a charging queue and move from charger to charger. For a home, I would guess it would be far too expensive compared to any plug in solution. The only advantage to a wireless solution could be its ability to overcome plug incompatibilities.

  6. Loboc says:

    I disagree with most posts that wireless charging is not needed. For gramma and me, using the walker to plug in a car is excruciating.

    I predict that pretty much all lux auto companies will offer wireless in the near future.

    1. kdawg says:

      I think so too. People will enjoy not having to go to gas stations, but they may complain about plugging in, and unplugging every day. Or if they are older, it could be more difficult for them/arthritis/etc.

      1. SJC says:

        Some say if people are too lazy to plug in, they should not buy an EV. Never discount convenience. Not having to plug/unplug thousands of times could be attractive.

  7. John says:

    Maybe it’s just me, but this seems a little like putting the cart before the horse. The mention of a 60Kwh battery is of FAR more interest to me than wireless charging. Focus on battery tech, Nissan, and bring on the longer range Leaf. I’m happy to plug in for a few more years.

    1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      Why should Nissan focus on one or the other?

      The Nissan IDS concept has both a 60kWh battery, *and* a wireless charger.

      1. Aaron says:

        And if you have a current-generation LEAF (or Volt), there are professionally-installed wireless charging solutions available today.

        https://www.pluglesspower.com/

      2. John says:

        Unquestionably they can do both. But my point was about priorities, and I maintain that their main priority for at least the near term should be battery improvements because that is where the main competition is, and because the Leaf has now been out for about five years with only one significant but incremental improvement in battery capacity, and that very recently. Also, they still lack good thermal management. Would love to see hard data on the Lizard battery’s capacity, but we don’t have that either.I love our Leaf, but these are real weak points for Nissan.

  8. Three Electrics says:

    Wireless (or, at least, automated charging of some kind) is absolutely required for mainstream adoption.

    If, in my 500 mile Prius, I happen to notice I’m down to a quarter tank, I suffer no anxiety. The odds that, withiin the next 125 miles, I’ll come across a gas station on my normal routes, and have a spare five minutes to fuel, are extremely high. Even if it isn’t, my drive to the station is only done once every two weeks.

    However, becsuse EVs take so long to charge, have so much less range, and I can’t predict the future, I’m going to plug in way more often than once every two weeks. Most likely it will be every day or every other day, even if my car has 200 miles of range. Thst gets old fast. Nobody needs another daily chore.

    1. Tim says:

      For those of us who have been doing it for years (4+ here) it’s no big deal. I spend about the same amount of time plugging in as I do hitting the garage door button.

    2. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      In my 84-mile Leaf, I also happen to notice when I’m down to a quarter ‘tank’. I also suffer no anxiety. The odds that within the next few miles I’ll come across a DC quick charger are extremely high – actually a given (I Live in southeastern Norway).

      But luckily, I usually only have to visit the DC chargers 15-30 minutes once every few months, the rest of my charging is done home at night or at work during daytime.

      My daily chore of plugging in/out at home/work costs me 20 seconds a day (7 minutes/month) – which should be less total time than you spend on refueling your Prius anyway (10 minutes/month)

    3. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

      No, it doesn’t get old fast. It gets automatic fast.

      I know this because sometimes my wife (who commutes in our Volt), will plug in the car even when she knows that we’ll be taking it back out before it will charge again.

      Such a misconception can be a barrier for a while. But word of mouth from people with real experience will gradually overcome mistaken assumptions. (Except for the intransigent few.)

      1. Three Electrics says:

        I’ve been plugging in three electric cars for over three years. It’s automatic, but it’s still a chore.

  9. kosee says:

    I know I’ve said this more often but wireless charging is not a home garage or lawn solution. This is not necessart unless you are handicapped in any way.

    However, wireless charging will be awesome for charging your car on the street. All those cables laying on the ground are rediculous and do not look like something that should be part of our future. Also some vehicles like the i3 and tesla have their charge port in a place that when curbside charging the cable or charge port could easily be damaged by a clumsy driver, and I didn’t even get started yet on theft and vandalism.

    This conversation needs to change real fast from ‘this would be nice at home’ to ‘let’s develop a standard like mennekes and j1772 for this’ because the future needs it!

  10. Alex says:

    And imagine in UK is a wirless highway! With next Leaf 60 kWh and 7 kW wirless charging you could drive around > 300 miles, charging while driving, how cool that would be.
    Competitors like Bolt without wirless charging will have no chance, wo wants plug in his car. I plugged in my Leaf around 3000 times its BORING and OLD, i don’t care about some kWh more!

  11. Djoni says:

    I’m not a fan of induction charging at this moment.
    Cost, efficiency, and no V2G capability are the major reason for avoiding it.
    But I realize that not everybody has a dedicated private place to charge or are healthy and able as we all wish they were.
    Theft and high vandalism location, apartment dweller and open outside parking are place that would be well serve with that kind of device, at least some of it.
    I don’t rule out automated plug in included in autonomous car either, that would bypass those constraint.
    It wouldn’t be implemented everywhere because of cost and harder installation, but if that can give some steam to EV adoption, it’s a go for me.

  12. Josh says:

    This confirms that the Infiniti LE is a corpse being picked by (engineering) vultures.

    Wireless charging was supposed to be one of its differentiating features from the LEAF.

  13. Priusmaniac says:

    I wonder if induction is ever going to reach the megawatt level for superchargers or even only 500 KW. Direct contacts on the other hand is closing in to that strategic power very fast. Tesla is already busy with active cooling and snake robot charger. VW talks of 150 KW and Porsche started increasing voltage to 800 Volts, so 500 KW conductive is close. For inductive charging at that power level it looks very far away and if it can be done, the reception induction coil on the car is likely to be bulky, costly and heavy, not really the most desired qualities.

    1. jmac says:

      You don’t need mighty, gigantic gigawatt inductive chargers and a huge pick-up coil in the vehicle if you have smaller slower wireless chargers installed everywhere.

      The idea is that when you go to Costco you park over a charger and the car charges while you’re inside. At the restaurant it’s also charging. Your car charges again while you are at the 3 or 4 hour long football game. And of course, your car slowly charges while you are at work and also overnight in your garage while you’re snoozing. Wherever you go, if you need a charge, you just park over a charger. No cords, no fuss, no muss, no fumbling around in the cold or rain looking for credit carts, the i-phone, etc. Then, more fumbling around trying to get the correct electric plug adapter to go in your car’s socket.

      So you open the trunk and thrash through a half dozen different adapters cords….. “It’s a CCS, I think. No, it’s ChadeMo. No, wait a minute, it’s Tesla !”

      I say let’s not thrash around in the trunk any longer. Instead, let’s install cordless inductive chargers everywhere.

      1. Priusmaniac says:

        GW induction, that is interesting, if you want to fast charge an ev 747. Cars won’t need more than MW level though to recharge in 5 to 10 minutes.
        Sure at 11 or 22 KW you can make a convenient automatic slow speed charging but you just can’t wait for 3 h along the road. That’s ok at home in your garage but not on the go. It is just not fast enough.
        Beside it is possible to make public parking place chargers with a contact based system as well. With 2 contacts on the ground separated by a foot of plastic insulator and on a slightly curved surface to evacuate water, once a car contacts are standing above it, you can establish a secured connection, no induction needed at all. By the way all automatic grass mowers are charging through contact based systems. Low voltage, but with no security at all. If at contrary you put a complete security system then you can charge at higher voltage and higher amps. Actually the sky is the limit including MW, perhaps even GW for the 747 but that may need additional initial flash drying by a fast stream of air, just like with an air dryer but integrated in the system. A kind of dew removal for mirrors could also be used.

        1. jmac says:

          Priusmaniac mentions underground full contact chargers that would be more efficient than wireless charging. I agree. I think it’s doable. Tesla already has the snake head that finds the vehicle socket by itself.

          Three electrics said:

          “Wireless (or, at least, automated charging of some kind) is absolutely required for mainstream adoption”.

          I agree. If the electric car movement can come up with a way to “gas up” and refuel without the driver ever getting out of the car, then EV drivers will have the last laugh and old fashioned gas pumps will end up in the museums.

          Embedded ground point contact chargers could do just that for EVs as would wireless induction charging. Imagine! No more gas hoses or dangling electric cables. It would be the end of the refueling curse and help to make electric cars the only logical choice.

          If the EV movement can perfects “painless refueling”, it will almost certainly be adios to the ICE. Then, the Electrics will have the refueling advantage. Once people see how easy it is to refuel, sales of electrics will take off. As it stands right now, the combination of having to plug in all the time along with relatively long recharge times is a drag on EVs and slowing adoption.

  14. jmac says:

    It certainly seems worth an extra an extra perhaps $30-50 bucks a year for the overwhelming convenience of inductive charging.
    Most people spend that much on toilet paper every year. If saving the incredible, whopping sum of $50 every year is that important, then just don’t wipe.

    1. Djoni says:

      Or save 50$ on loss charging and wipe for free all year!
      Economy is anyway we see it!