Nissan Provides Details On Next Generation LEAF – Luxury Infiniti EV On Track For 2017 Debut

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Nissan LEAF Makes An Appearance In "The Depths" Of The New York Auto Show In April

Nissan LEAF Makes An Appearance In “The Depths” Of The New York Auto Show In April

It seems to always be Andy Palmer who speaks on behalf of Nissan-Infiniti in regards to electric vehicles, so we figure why not highlight Palmer’s official position before delving into the details he revealed this time around.

So, here’s Palmer’s job description, via Nissan:

Andy Palmer is executive vice president, Chief Planning Officer (CPLO) of Nissan Motor Co., Ltd. In this position, he is responsible for global product planning, global program management, global market intelligence, global IS, global Infiniti business unit, global marketing communications, global corporate planning (including OEM business), Zero Emission Vehicle planning and strategy, global battery business unit, and global sales. Palmer reports to Mr. Carlos Ghosn, CEO.

Basically, Palmer is the head man at Nissan-Infiniti in the fields of zero emission vehicle planning and strategy and head of the global battery unit, which means he’s the man with the ability to make all the moves in Nissan-Infiniti’s electric vehicle program.

 Infiniti LE Concept

Infiniti LE Concept

Infiniti LE

Infiniti LE

Moving on…

When Palmer speaks of future Nissan-Infiniti electric vehicle plans, the world should listen.

Palmer did exactly that at the recent 2014 Beijing Auto Show.  Here are the highlights:

  • New battery chemistry to debut for Nissan-Infiniti by early 2017
  • Infiniti luxury EV (likely based off the Infiniti LE concept) on track for 2017 debut
  • Next-generation Nissan LEAF expected to arrive right after Nissan’s Power 88 business plan, which ends March 31, 2017
  • Next-generation LEAF will feature hatchback layout, but a more mainstream design
Nissan Worker Assembles LEAF Battery in Tennessee

Nissan Worker Assembles LEAF Battery in Tennessee

Now it’s quote time.

Nissan LEAF “Hot” Pack and Next Gen Details

In regards to the “hot” pack for the Nissan LEAF, Palmer stated that it’s coming “soon.”

As for the arrival of the next-gen LEAF, Palmer commented:

“I think if you thought about a normal model cycle from 2013, that would be more realistic.”

Palmer uses 2013 as the starting point for the LEAF since it’s what he refers to as the start of the full global launch of the LEAF.  As noted above, Palmer puts the next-gen LEAF’s arrival to be shortly after March 31, 2017.

Wireless Charging Expected To Be Standard On Infiniti LE

Wireless Charging Expected To Be Standard On Infiniti LE

Infiniti EV Coming Before Next-Gen LEAF

Palmer says that the Infiniti EV will go on sale “close enough to be counted” as part of Power 88, so on or before March 31, 2017.  Furthermore, Palmer says the electric Infiniti will arrive prior to Infiniti’s long-awaited halo car, which proves to us that Infiniti believes the EV is more important than a super-expensive flagship vehicle.

Quoting Palmer:

“I think the EV will come earlier.  To some extent, EV is now becoming practically a requirement.”

Next Gen Nissan LEAF Design

For this design aspect, Palmer turns it over to Mamoru Aoki, Nissan global design chief.

Quoting Aoki:

“The current Leaf is aiming too much at an EV-like appearance.  Tesla doesn’t look EV at all. The Tesla S just looks nice, very sporty, sleek, but very authentic.”

Shiro Nakamura, chief creative officer at Nissan-Infiniti, adds:

“We want distinctive, yet more mainstream.”

Improved Batteries

Once again, Palmer says that the Infiniti EV will be the first Nissan-Infiniti offering to get next-generation battery technology.  Palmer adds that it’s likely the electric Infiniti will have more range than the next-gen LEAF due to the Infiniti having more space in which to package the batteries.

And that concludes this round of details on the next-generation Nissan LEAF and upcoming Infiniti EV

Thoughts?

Is This NISMO LEAF More Mainstream In Its design?

Is This NISMO LEAF More Mainstream In Its Design?

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94 responses to "Nissan Provides Details On Next Generation LEAF – Luxury Infiniti EV On Track For 2017 Debut"

  1. mustang_sallad says:

    Isn’t the next gen Volt planned for 2016? Too bad the Leaf and Volt will diverge from their parallel paths, it’s been fun to watch them compete after starting sales in the exact same month. In terms of plug-in sales as a whole, i’m considered that a delay until 2017 for the next Leaf will leave too much of a gap in mainstream vehicles to continue the growth we’ve seen so far. We’ve got a couple things lined up over the next two years, largely VW products, but I was hoping the next gen Leaf would launch alongside the next gen Volt to give plug-in sales a huge leap forward in 2016.

    1. Stan says:

      I thought Volt 2.0 was for August 2015.

    2. MrEnergyCzar says:

      Next Volt is in 17-20 months…. next Leaf is in 3 years? Not good.

      MrEnergyCzar

      1. liberty says:

        I think the leaf’s redesign is more major than the volts. It probably does take this much time to get changes through – different looks, different battery pack, longer range. If nissan does a good job in 2017, its not too long. Tesla should be out with blue star in 2017 as well. If nissan doesn’t make major changes, blue star will kill the leaf.

        1. Dan says:

          Is the LEAF adding an extra seat? Because that’s a pretty major redesign on the table for the Volt…

  2. evnow says:

    Big question. Will Leaf get a more range option before 2017 or not ?

    1. Assaf says:

      +84 to that question.

      Palmer sounds to me like he’s muddying the waters.

      What current Leaf drivers want to know is whether they still plan longer-range options for the 2016 model.

      Or is it now March 2017? That would be too little too late.

      1. jumpjack says:

        2017 is planned year for new high-capacity MNC-PIL batteries to reach tablet/laptop/cellphone market.
        http://auto.opinionzine.com/auto-elettriche-autonomia-da-600-km-con-speciali-batterie/5780

  3. muchski says:

    I’m not sure if you true or not but I read somewhere that Pierre Loing from Nissan told some folks at LA auto show that they were looking at 300 km (187.5 miles) and possibly as high as 400 km (250 miles) battery pack options. I think they are looking at going toe to toe with Tesla for 2017!

    I hope for 2016 model year they might at least consider a few different pack options. I’d like to see even small bumps before then especially with new Volt coming 2016!

    1. Bret says:

      I completely agree with the small bumps in range. I would like to see Nissan deliver the 100 miles they promised in 2015 or 2016. It would put them ahead of the rest of the low end BEV pack and BMW and it wouldn’t cost much to do it.

      A little range kaizen goes a long way. I also think Nissan should keep these changes a secret, so they don’t stall the sales of current LEAFs.

      1. Michael says:

        Nissan will have to decide how much range their customers demand and then update the car accordingly. There is no real tech hurdle to doing so, it’s as simple as adding more batteries and finding space for them. Even today a 1000 mile range EV is feasible (if you don’t mind paying $250k for a very heavy car.

  4. Leafer says:

    IF it doesnt its going to be harder and harder to sell and will require significant incentives from Nissan.

  5. Ocean Railroader says:

    I really think Tesla might get out before in that this story is kind of vague. At least from what we know Tesla will have it’s Giga factory up and running.

    1. arne-nl says:

      Count on Tesla running into delays. Model X has now been delayed by 2 years if I’m not mistaken. Gen II and the gigafactory will almost certainly be delayed into 2018 or 2019.

      1. Alonso Perez says:

        Maybe, but those bonds will need servicing before then, so there is a stronger financial incentive to keep those dates from slipping so much.

        And the financial firepower is there to do it, as well.

        1. Bonaire says:

          Watching Tesla spend now is like putting your child through college at $40k a year and knowing their job they get will be a $25k income. The bond repayment will need to be done with new bonds in 2017 and the unit sales “expected” by investors doesn’t look very guaranteed for 2019/2020.

      2. liberty says:

        Roadster waas the first gen tesla. I think you mean blue star, not gen II. The X isn’t delayed 2 years, it should be in volume production a year from now. The gigafactory should be turning out at least small quantities in 2017. That means 2017 or 2018 for blue star. That is the car nissan/infiniti need to compete with, not the volt. If they rush the redesign to compete with the volt, tesla might crush nissan’s bev sales.

      3. Jouni Valkonen says:

        Model X delays are not important, because X was low priority project. Tesla focused on the production and sales of S. Instead Tesla III will be high priority project, so it is very probable that Tesla makes sure that they are delivering it ahead of schedule. Tesla personnels are exactly as enthusiasts to see Tesla III to materialize than the rest of us, because they know that it is a car that makes history.

  6. kdawg says:

    “Any Palmer” should be “Andy Palmer”.. kinda funny though

  7. kdawg says:

    It’s like 2017 is THE year for EVs. Everyone has something promised for 2017.

    1. Bloggin says:

      Exactly……160 to 200 miles will be the new norm.

      1. kdawg says:

        “Palmer says that the Infiniti EV will go on sale “close enough to be counted” as part of Power 8, so on or before March 31, 2017.”
        —-
        Is Infiniti actually going to come through this time? Maybe they have turned over a new leaf?

        (booooooo) ;)

        1. James says:

          I like that context better than a newspaper headline after a guy flipped over his brand new Nissan EV on the interstate!

          “BREAKING NEWS – Man turns over his new LEAF!” L :) L

    2. Fabian says:

      +1000

  8. Leafer says:

    news flash Audi will have 100% EVs lineup for 2017!
    WE have solved the long range travel…….

    er something like that they proclaimed!

    1. Bonaire says:

      2017 will be a poor EV year without at least 2000 new DC fast chargers installed around major metro areas. I am heading to a busy area of Maryland tomorrow and there are very few L2 opportunities for a charge.

      1. Jouni Valkonen says:

        It takes just few months to install 2000 DC fast chargers. EV charging infrastructure is not really a problem.

  9. SeattleTeslaGuy says:

    I love that Nissan sees Tesla as the competition. This can only mean good things for the EV world.

    However, this “release” is so vague about range that it’s impossible to draw anything other than they get range is a key factor in the marketability of an EV. While that, in itself, is good news, it tells us nothing about the next gen LEAF,

    1. Alonso Perez says:

      I’m not sure they see Tesla as competition. Instead, I believe they see Tesla as a design benchmark; the kind of role Apple plays in the PC industry.

      And yeah, it’s vague. It has to be. If it isn’t, Leaf sales would collapse ahead of the new model. Tesla does not have this problem with Gen III because it’s not replacing an existing car.

  10. Anton Wahlman says:

    I don’t think this excludes the possibility that the existing LEAF will get an improved battery some time well before 2017. I wouldn’t bet against a battery revision happening less than one year from now. The question is just: How much? And precisely how soon? Of course there will be an entirely new LEAF body by 2017, but that’s different from battery revisions between now and then. They could be annual.

  11. scott franco says:

    So Tesla 2017, New Leaf 2017, that leaves me chewing tinfoil, since my lease is up in 2016.

    On the other hand, it sounded like there is going to be an Infinity available sooner than that.

    My $200 leaf lease will more than pay for itself by the time it is over. Its literally like someone is paying me to drive this car. I could see paying more for a higher range car.

    Did anyone else get the survey they sent out? LOTS of questions about what you would be willing to pay for a higher range car….

    1. pjwood says:

      Not me, but many Leaf owners here did.

  12. Dave R says:

    One has to think that the “hot” battery will ship by default with the 2015 LEAF when it starts rolling out…

    Based on prior reports, that should happen any day now.

    The question is – will Nissan do anything for early purchasers that got a cool-weather pack that live in a warm to hot climate besides replace the pack if they lose more than 30% capacity in 5 years / 60k miles?

    That capacity warranty is now extinct with the BMW i3 coming with a 8-year 100k mile nationwide 70% capacity warranty and a 10-year 150k mile CARB warranty and the Mercedes B-class also appears to have at least a 8-year 100k mile capacity warranty.

    1. JP White says:

      Thanks for the info on the BMW and Mercedes long-term capacity warranties. I hadn’t realized that, better than the medium term Nissan retroactive warranty for sure. That should help keep Nissan honest when dealing with its customer base from this point forward.

  13. gigglehertz says:

    He’s got probably the hardest job in the industry, to hint at progress but not too much to avoid tanking current model year sales or giving info to their competitors. With that being said, I’m just not getting the sense that Nissan is committed to any real bold vision of an EV future the way Tesla is. Where’s their version of a supercharger network for example? They’ve got Chademo “at many dealerships”. Then again, maybe they’ve got something really awesome up their sleeve, but the hints we keep getting aren’t very promising.

    I was really torn between getting the next gen Leaf when my current Leaf lease is up or waiting for the not-model-E Tesla. This foot dragging by Nissan seems like an incredible wasted opportunity. Heck if I have to wait until 2017 anyway, why not save up my money for what promises to be a far superior car?

    1. scott franco says:

      Two notes:

      1. Nissan is, many seem to forget, the EV market leader. The leader does not need to throw out predictions that they will do such and such. They are winning.

      2. The ChaDemo network is not going to survive the transition from 25KWH batteries to 50KWH batteries (and/or above). 50KWH charged by a 50-60KWH Chademo is …. an hour. It is not fast enough. Therefore Nissan needs to push 100KWH or better chargers, just like er… Tesla. (IE., gonna compete with Tesla, do like Tesla).

      1. Dave R says:

        While Nissan may be leading the market in number of vehicles sold, it’s pretty clear that Tesla leads the market in terms of having the EV that everyone wants to own.

        As far as QC for 50 kWh vehicles, the CHAdeMO plug can handle up to 100 kW or so, but none of the chargers out there are designed for much more than 50 kW.

      2. gigglehertz says:

        Nissan currently has the market cornered on 80 mile commuter EV’s, no question. I’m on a 2013 lease and I love it. My problem is they seem fine with the status quo, whereas Tesla has a plan for the future. First the S, then the X, then the next gen. Here’s the timeframe, here’s how much it’s going to cost, and here’s how we’re going to pay for it. In the meantime, here’s our supercharger map, and here are the routes we’re going to enable, and when. Nissan has no answer to that, at least that they admit to. They can hint at more range, but not tell us how much (or until now, even approximately when). Plus unless you live in a handful of major metropolitan areas, you have no quick charge infrastructure. Some Chademo at dealers is ok, but can you drive coast to coast? Nope, not that most people do of course. But pick any 2 major cities. Can you drive your Leaf conveniently between them? Probably not.

      3. Alonso Perez says:

        How do you know they will move to 50 kWh? My guess would be mid 30′s for the Leaf, low 40′s for the Infinity.

        Then remember that a fast charge has to do 50% in 20 minutes, not 100%. Not even the Tesla superchargers do that, because battery charging slows down as you top off.

        Say the new Leaf goes to 36 kWh, a neat 50% increase. Half of that is 18 kWh. Chademo can do 18kWh in 22 minutes.

      4. JP White says:

        Chademo will be fine. With the current 24kWh batteries in the LEAF, the Chademo units taper off the charge rate quite early in the charge cycle. With a larger battery, the Chademo units will add miles faster for longer. The 80% level should not take an hour, but may extend up to 40 minutes or so. We’ll see soon enough.

    2. Murrysvill EV says:

      My Leaf lease is up in September 2015. I want to stick with an EV, but Nissan had better offer something compelling to all these lessees, or else they will move to Tesla. AND they’ll have to figure out what to do with gazillions of Leafs coming off lease that are overpriced.

    3. Michael says:

      In car terms, 2017 is very close. They have finalise the design, do road-testing, do crash tests and then get type approval from the authorities in all the markets where the car is to be sold THEN retool the factories where the car is to be build and allow time for the supplier to ramp up parts production.

      January 2017 is 30 months from now.

  14. Anthony says:

    Other websites have Andy Palmer quoted as saying that “300km” (185 miles) would be good enough to ensure mainstream appeal of EVs.

    I think that’s a bit high, I think 125-150 miles is enough for most people to consider an EV. I believe that once you have 125-150 miles of range and the ability to quick charge the battery to get an extra 50 miles in 5-10 minutes, you’ll be able meet what most people want out of the product. Then you have to work on getting the price down. ;)

    1. Michael says:

      No harm in offering multiple battery pack options is there? Let the customer decide. If one battery pack isn’t a big seller, pull the option the following year.

  15. Stimpacker says:

    A big hurray for EVs – glad that Nissan is taking this segment very seriously.

    I am eagerly awaiting a new EV that looks more mainstream and has as much space if not more than my present 2013 LEAF.

    It doesn’t matter if the next-gen Leaf has a range of 187mi or 250mi if Nissan does not rethink their DCFC strategy. The current strategy relies on 50kW ChadeMO DCFC installed at Nissan dealerships.

    A family guy like me can only give up the gas car and use an EV for road trips ONLY IF the Tesla Supercharger model was available – i.e sites along strategic freeway locations, open 24/7 with many stalls. I am willing to pay but not willing to wait > 30mins.

    I will not buy a 2017 Leaf to replace my family car if I have to rely on dealership hours and depend on their generosity and availability of their 1 sole DCFC.

    So while I await the Tesla GenIII, I hope Nissan will think about the whole ownership experience and give me more choices. We love our Leaf for in-town/commute use.

    1. scott franco says:

      Well, lets be fair. The DCFC network beats Tesla numbers BY FAR. There are a lot of them, especially in western states.

      What we need is for Nissan to go across town to the Chademo organization and tell them to start amping up or prepare to get kicked in the rear. Surely there has to be a simple upgrade solution to double the net power on a Chademo.

      1. Dave R says:

        While certainly in terms of number of locations, CHAdeMO does beat the SuperCharger.

        But in terms of actually providing a network that is usable and reliable for the cars that use it?

        Tesla wins hands down.

        There’s around 22 SuperCharger locations on the west coast (WA, OR, CA). Each SuperCharger location has multiple plugs with a minimum of 4, typically 6-8 and occasionally 10. There’s over 140 plugs in those 3 states (an average of over 6 plugs per location).

        Now there are over 250 different CHAdeMO chargers scattered around the west coast. But these have a huge drawback in that there’s typically only one charger at each location – there’s probably less than a handful that have more than one charger. Blink dual-plug stations don’t count for two since those can only charge a single car at a time.

        So what’s the problem with only one station per location? There’s a couple reasons:

        1. CHAdeMO stations have proven to be very unreliable. Even if it is reliable – a single outage will add a multi-hour delay to your trip if you can find a L2 station to use instead.
        2. With only one plug/station, you are at much higher risk of finding it busy or otherwise blocked leaving you with “charger anxiety”.
        3. Multiple plugs (that can be used simultaneously) allow for a much higher throughput without queues forming. With only a single plug, you are very likely to have to wait for someone else to finish charging if it has any halfway decent level of use. Let’s say that a 5% risk of having to queue is acceptable – that means on average the station can only be in use 5% of the time – or a bit over an hour each day!

        But if you add a 2nd charger, now you can support over 8 hours of charging a day on average with the same 5% risk of finding all stations busy. And if you happen to encounter all stations busy your average wait time will be much lower before you can start charging.

        What happens if you add two more chargers (4 total)? Now you can support 36 hours of charging a day – over 4 times the throughput of 2 chargers with only double the number of chargers.

        See this thread on TeslaMotorsClub for the formula calculating this effect: http://goo.gl/eiOcvN

        1. James says:

          Very well thought out. As numbers of EVs grow, we’re seeing more fighting over QC and Level 2 charging stations.

          I hope we can avoid those inevitable news stories. “Fist fight erupts over charging station – shots fired!”… Just feeds into the public fears of owning an EV.

    2. JP White says:

      Chademo itself will be fine, at least in the medium term.

      Where the Nissan DCFC strategy really falls short is installing just one unit at most locations. So you may have to wait if the unit is occupied, or miss out entirely if there is a fault. Tesla installs half a dozen units at most locations.

      Access is the other major issue with many dealers locking up lots when they close; some of which are in downtown locations do so for security reasons, not in ignorance of EV drivers needs. Superchargers? 24×7 access.

      1. Stimpacker says:

        Exactly my point!

        I’m not going on any trip with wife and 2 young kids in the back depending on:

        1) Dealership to be open
        2) Dealer’s DCFC working
        3) Dealer willing to let me charge
        4) Nobody else charging at the moment
        5) Next closest DCFC is within remaining range

        What scares me the most about charging at Nissan dealers are the comments I read from Plugshare – you are basically at the dealer’s mercy. The same dealership can one day welcome you charging with open arms and then deny you the next day. It all depends on who you talk to.

        That will make for terribly painful trip planning. That may be palatable for early adopters but not for your average Joe. So Nissan, if you make a 200mi EV, please think these things through.

  16. Warren says:

    “more mainstream design”

    So, more totally conventional cars, and SUVs even, but no aero improvements, not even fender skirts. Just bigger batteries. How boring, and ultimately pointless.

    1. Warren says:

      More kWh is like more cubic inches. I can’t wait for the chrome badges proclaiming 85 kWh!

      1. Josh says:

        Model S has exactly that badge on it already.

    2. arne-nl says:

      “but no aero improvements”

      Says who? The current LEAF is not a trendsetter in the aerodynamics department, so it can only get better. The Tesla Model S is a ‘more mainstream’ design (relative to its peers) but has lower Cd than any competitor.

      1. Alonso Perez says:

        +1

        A cd of 0.28 is decent but hardly state of the art. Nissan has every incentive to improve it. Even the Mercedes B class is better.

  17. Leafer says:

    i AGREE with Scott, chademo at 50kw is a no go when batteries get larger. Also long distance travel may still be difficult in a longer range leaf without an active tms cooling the pack during the highway/dcfc/highway/dcfc heat build up.

  18. scott franco says:

    Say I missed something:

    “it’s likely the electric Infiniti will have more range than the next-gen LEAF”

    Not More than a leaf, more than the NEXT GEN leaf. So the Infinity will be a Tesla killer… Wow.

    1. DeeAgeaux says:

      “So the Infinity will be a Tesla killer… Wow.”

      ROTFLMAO!

      When Infinity almost catches up to a 2012 Tesla half a decade or so later Tesla will leap another generation ahead.

      Kinda like the 80′s when GM kept promising to make a compact as good as the Corolla.

      1. James says:

        GM is good at keeping one step behind their competition. Look how they still have no answer for a decent hybrid. Or how they are still walking the Chicken Tax walk since the mid 1960s even after Ford decided to bring it’s newest-gen European commercial van to the U.S.A. and build it in Kansas City. Even FIAT is bringing it’s Euro van here to compete with Sprinter. Spy shooters have photographed thinly-disguised Renault/Opel FWD vans in Canada running around. Yet still not a peep whether they’ll sell a Renault here in the U.S.A. labeled as a Chevy. No need to mention the Nissan NV micro van with a Chevy grilled slapped on it! SHEESH – GM! Next thing – after criticizing Ford for aluminizing it’s F-150 is for them to eat chicken crow and go ahead in introducing their own aluminum trucks a generation or two behind their competitors.

        GM – possibly too big to fail. I often say as a Volt owner that the Volt is truly the only good thing GM has going for it – That and the SparkEV if they ever decide to market it to the entire country.

  19. i3 says:

    Hey, i don’t think the leaf has an odd shape!

  20. Leafer says:

    My plan for the end of my lease Jan 2015 is:
    if a longer range ev is available at good price get it. if not I may buy a used hybrid to bridge the gap, and wait for the gen2 leaf or infiniti or Tesla model E or whatever it will be called. I wont lease another 84 mile Leaf or EV.

    1. scott franco says:

      Or you can take a “placeholder” lease, either buy out another lease or plan to sell your lease before its time is up. Probably the former puts you at the advantage.

    2. EVerywhere says:

      Thinking the exact same here with my lease expiring 8/2016. Will probably get a second Prius or something cheap like a Honda Fit to bridge the gap.

    3. Murrysville EV says:

      I’m with you. I just added a 13 Optima Hybrid to our fleet, and it’s an amazing car that actually exceeds its 40 mpg highway EPA rating. I’m now considering just driving it when the Leaf lease expires, if no better EV appears that I can afford.

    4. evnow says:

      My lease expires in 2015 May.

      Unfortunately, Leaf is really the only game in town with QC – since I don’t want to buy something as large as a Model S. Basically there is no competition to Leaf even after 3-4 years.

      So, I may have to get another Leaf till 2017 !

  21. Lindsay Patten says:

    If the next gen batteries won’t debut before 2017 doesn’t that rule out larger battery options before then? Or might there be ways to squeeze more into the available space?

    1. arne-nl says:

      They’ll be releasing their heat resistant battery this year. That is a major overhaul and I guess that will be it until 2017.

      They might squeeze out a few miles by efficiency/weight/aero improvements but that is it for this model.

      Just my 2c.

  22. Leafer says:

    Gen 2 volt and Audi A3 PHEV will be considered also. I wont buy my Leaf at end of lease , to risky on the trade in value at a later date, plus its out of warranty.

  23. scott franco says:

    I guess Infinity management turned round from last year:

    “We need to re-evaluate our assumptions,” said de Nysschen. “It would not be smart to introduce a car when perhaps 12 or 18 months down the road you have all-new battery technology.” de Nysschen also voiced concerns that electric car technology is too niche for the brand, which is working to hit sales figures of 500,000 cars a year by 2017.

    If Infinity gives up an EV lease for $350 in that range for a 50KWH or better vehicle by 2016 I guess I would pander myself for one.

    Who am I kidding I would pander myself for a fudge sunday…

    1. Trace says:

      Infiniti with an ‘i’

  24. Takeshi says:

    What I want to know is, will my current 2012 SL Leaf be backwards-compatible with future battery upgrades??

    I would love to be able to swap my old Li-ion cells for their improved descendants one day. Shoving more batteries into the chassis likely won’t be an option.

  25. Leafer says:

    Nissan will not offer you a next gen battery
    they will offer to sell you a new Leaf with a next gen battery.
    they are in the car sales business not battery sales and upgrading existing cars.
    thats just the way it is.

    1. Takeshi says:

      I fear you are right. But they must sense that the 100k+ Leaf owners out there right now (and rising!) is a large market of dedicated customers that would sooner be willing to pay handsomely for an upgrade than ditch their otherwise beloved Leaf.

  26. Lou Grinzo says:

    The timing here is certainly disappointing. I didn’t expect to hear that the Leaf 2.0 was suddenly moved up to, say, March 2015 (when my lease is up), but I also was hoping for something sooner than three bloody years from now.

    The real question is what will Nissan do between now and then. I don’t expect to see any blockbuster changes in the current Leaf, like a doubling of battery range. Minor tweaks, sure, but no real attempt to bridge the features/functionality between versions 1.0 and 2.0.

    However, there’s another part of the equation: Price. Didn’t Nissan announce a $2,500 price cut for the Leaf in Japan? (Just checked — they did.) A similar price cut here in the US for 2015, plus a minor range bump (another 20 or 30 miles, say) in 2016, would be big enough changes to keep the faithful happy until 2.0 arrives.

    And as for the idea that they need to mainstream the look: I strongly disagree and I love the current design. The Leaf looks plenty “normal” now, but it still has a distinctive appearance. Making it blend in to the visual background noise of all the other cars on the road would be a mistake.

    Of course, I’ve been saying for a long time that they need to make an EV version of the Qube, with a special Borg Edition available. But does Nissan listen to me…?

  27. Anon says:

    Was so tactfully stated that their Leaf isn’t as attractive as Teslas offerings… What a great compliment! So glad their designers are going more mainstream instead of Anime-Futuristic. :)

  28. i8 says:

    both of those infinity’s look like teslas

  29. James says:

    “I think the EV will come earlier. To some extent, EV is now becoming practically a requirement.”

    This is such great news! If Nissan is selling enough LEAFs now to make it a shoe-in for next gen, and one of the firm’s “requirements” – This adds longevity to the segment and assurance LEAF won’t be phased out any time soon.

    The NVe van surely helps using many of the same components and let’s hope there’ll be many more spinoffs to go.

  30. CopperRoad says:

    2013 saw over 22k Nissan Leaf’s leased/sold in the United States alone. If there is legitimately no range bump expected before April 2017 you’re essentially letting all those potential repeat customers dangle in the wind. Maybe it’s unavoidable, but it doesn’t seem very strategic.

    1. EngravEER says:

      Exactly! And I fit that bill. My 24 month lease started in June 2013. Figure I can extend it to the beginning of 2016, but by Nissan’s time-frame, I’m going to miss the Generation II Leaf by over a year. Lots of 2013 lessees are going to be left twisting in the wind when it’s time for a new EV, and that could be VERY unfortunate for Nissan.

  31. ModernMarvelFan says:

    Maybe they will add liquid cooling to their battery in the Infiniti…

    If they want DCFC and long distance travel with those batteries, liquid cooling is a no brainer.

    Pretty soon, Nissan will figure it out that is a common sense.

  32. Leader says:

    Teue mostly leased, most customers have a good experience with the leaf but mot also want more range, so when the lease nears end they are looking to Nissan for n improved EV. If none are to be had they will go to a competitor (if a longer range exists) or go to a PHEV or back to a hybrid

  33. Spec9 says:

    I forgot about the Infiniti LE. That car was so blown away by the Tesla Model S that they completely pulled it off the market! And that was probably a wise move by Infiniti because it would have just been an embarrassment. Cadillac is learning the lesson the hard way right now with the ELR.

    1. pjwood says:

      The ELR is more a halo of electric drive, than it is meant as competition to Tesla. I believe Cadillac is setting a table that doesn’t necessarily require unit sales.

      1. Michael says:

        Halo? The ELR? Some halo car…!

  34. Anderlan says:

    This kind of range increase plan blue-balling is why I’m leasing a LEAF instead of buying.

  35. Leafer says:

    Lets just imagine Infiniti builds an amazing ev , great range , beautiful body and interior. And its priced same as a Model S or even slightly less, but does not have any super charger access, only chademo at 50kw or so. Showing up at a DCFC for what could be a 1 hour plus charge, finding the one station in use or worse inoperative….. now look at Tesla , the supercharger trumps any other mfr who manages to roll out a competitor to the S.

    1. Tesla Model S says:

      ya…. not gonna happen

      only car company i see outdoing the model s is tesla themselves

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