Nissan LEAF Powers A Concert Using V2H (CHAdeMO) – Video

1 year ago by Mark Kane 31

Nissan recently conducted its first public demonstration of LEAF V2H in North America, powering the music equipment of a party.

2016 Nissan LEAF | LEAF Powers A Concert

2016 Nissan LEAF | LEAF Powers A Concert

A special charger/inverter is connected to the Nissan LEAF battery pack using the CHAdeMO DC charging inlet, converting the DC power to AC power for electric appliances.

V2H can not only be used to power stuff around the car, but to manage the electricity balance in a home or office, thus maximizing the use of renewable energy, or shaving peaks.  As always, the system can come in handy for use as a emergency power supply.

“There’s plenty of energy for singing and dancing at this party powered entirely by a Nissan LEAF. Learn how the LEAF used its power supply to be the life of the party.”

When will this neat feature be available outside of Japan in the US?  Who knows, at least not for this generation of LEAF (check out the wild/lengthy disclaimer at the :20 mark).

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31 responses to "Nissan LEAF Powers A Concert Using V2H (CHAdeMO) – Video"

  1. In the past, these were only set-up for Japanese grid voltages; 100 or 200 volts.

    I would love to acquire a US spec one, without having to build it myself.

    1. Speculawyer says:

      That’s a good point. Nissan keeps showing this ability but seems to refuse to release hardware to actually allow people to do it.

  2. Someone out there says:

    It’s nice I guess but this is actually a case where fuel cells would make more sense. With a 24 kWh battery it’s good for a couple of songs before you need to shut it down if you have the intention of getting the car out of there by it’s own power.

    1. Anon says:

      Why mess with the loses at converting, storing and compressing hydrogen? Why mess with the way it embrittles and corrodes metal, and leaks easily. Why mess with finding a hydrogen station, that’s expensive ($15 kg), and not terribly reliable to either fill your tanks to max capacity, or work at all. Why mess with funding a greenwashed technology that’s backed by the fossil fuel industry? Why mess with seating your family on top of two high pressure 10,000 psi tanks? What could go wrong, right?

      Electrons are soooo much simpler, efficient, and cost effective for automotive use.

      1. deborahoo7 says:

        Smart !!!! very true 🙂

      2. zzzzzzzzzz says:

        The only problem you can’t store electron in a bucket. Otherwise it would be great.

    2. Terawatt says:

      That’s total hogwash! Even if you have a 10,000 watt system – which you don’t unless we’re talking stadium concert here – it would run fine for over two hours. For some garden party it could run all the lights, the sound and if need be a couple of infrared heaters all night and have plenty power left at the end of it.

      My hi-fi has a Harman-Kardon amplifier rated at 2×120 watts. But that is peak power. On average it uses 50 watts or less, playing very loudly. I could run it for 20 hours consuming less than 4% of the KEAFs capacity…

  3. Anthony Castro says:

    I would like something like this offered on the cars themselves as an option. Like for the model 3, S, X.

    Tailgate parties! I’m a video producer and I wish I could plug in my stage lights into my EV when I’m outside and anywhere. This would be convenient and something I couldn’t do with a gas car.

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      1. Carticle Pannon says:

        Only fair to mention that the EVExtend site offers this kit for the LEAF as well, plus people have been doing this with their Prii for many years, especially during major hurricane events.

        The benefit of doing this via CHAdeMO is the higher output, as it connects to the traction battery, instead of going through the 12V battery.

        But I think OP is talking about a built-in outlet, which some vehicles already have (but are limited as well).

        1. Nick says:

          The other benefit to doing this over CHAdeMO is the efficiency boost.

          380v -> 12v -> 120VAC with the rest of the car electronics running is silly.

          380v -> 240vac much better.

          1. ClarksonCote says:

            380VDC -> 240VAC is certainly more efficient.

            Unfortunately, it usually comes at higher expense, voided warranties, or both.

            For those reasons, the less efficient 380VDC -> 12VDC -> 120VAC often makes a lot of sense. 😉

  4. SparkEV says:

    I used 12V to 120V inverter with my Prius. It worked great for short stretches, including electric chain saw and refrigerator in blackout. Though awful in efficiency, I suspect it’s heck of a lot cheaper, and available now.

  5. evcarnut says:

    Just More BS…

  6. FiatSparkLeasee-M3Reserved says:

    Don’t understand why people don’t push for V2H solutions. Tesla Powerwall sells out 1st year production in 1 day. That’s essentially a stationary V2H @ only 7kwH.

    If you park your Leaf at 6pm that’s 50% charge == that’s 2 powerwalls sitting on four wheels, just dying to connect to the house for power shaving ; and ready to fully recharge at 12mn.

    For EV owners, and especially EV+PV owners who have a central inverter, where technology can’t support microgrids with a V2H solution.

    Tesla Powerwalls run the same battery so the deep daily cycle issue appears to be moot (at least for Tesla batteries?)

    I’m just waiting for auto companies to create the solution now that Tesla how shown an appetite for a microgrid solution–why just give Tesla all the battery business and boost EV sales at the same time?

    1. FiatSparkLeasee-M3Reserved says:

      Correction: technology ‘can’ support — solaredge now has a solution that will manage the conversion safely from storage batteries.

      Source can be Tesla Powerwall — or why not your EV?

    2. Terawatt says:

      Tesla sales tell us nothing about the real demand. If they put their logo on a turd, got Elon to “reveal” it and say it’s really important, that too would have a long waiting list…

      Can’t wait for my Model 3 tho 😉

    3. pjwood1 says:

      Tesla won’t even do V2Diagnotics. V2H (Home) would cycle the battery without turning the odo, saddling them with potential warranty issues. Never say never.

      Vehicle charging is still in its (free) honeymoon, in a lot of places. Considering how under attack net metering is becoming, those are two motives to store and use energy from a car (V2H).

      Who’ll first start the behind the meter website, called “Outside EVs”?

      1. pjwood1 says:

        ..diagnostics

  7. Apkungen says:

    If one car could power another car from Chademo to Chademo,it would be awesome. Say you get stranded om the highway with zero charge, another car stops, powers up your car for a coupple of minutes,then you’re in your way 😀

  8. EV says:

    V2G is available in Europe since 2014, but only a very expensive solution from one company.

  9. Joe says:

    Was the car still able to drive home after the event? How much power did the event draw from the batteries. I am intrigued by the possibilities.
    And how great would it be if this was available in a much smaller casing, so that the converter fits into the car, so you can easily take it along on drives. I can see so many applications, it’s crazy.

    Also I second the Car2Car charge ability. THAT needs to happen soon, since it’s a good way of decreasing range anxiety even if hardly used. It’s simple to integrate and just think of the scenario: one parent “breaks down” due to low state of charge and the other one could picks them up again by doing Car2Car charging. This would reduce, maybe even eliminate, the need for flatbed pickup services, at least in urban applications…

    1. There is a CHAdeMO to CHAdeMO cable out ther already by a European Company. I have the link at home and can add it later if no one does first!

      1. ricegf says:

        Could you post the CHAdeMO-CHAdeMO cable link? I haven’t found it with a bit of googling yet.

  10. Terawatt says:

    Yet another EV advantage that isn’t, yet, exploited. Toyota (!!) actually had a bunch of regular electricity outlets in their latest EV concept, but AFAIK nobody’s done it in a production vehicle yet. I doubt it drives cost much in volume…

  11. V2Gnow says:

    I want one now! Nissan must comply, are ethey just missing the boat in USA?

  12. Jay says:

    Time for Nissan to either deliver a US V2G appliance or stop digging holes with misleading marketing. It earns them no halos with educated buyers!

    1. Speculawyer says:

      Indeed, they need to put up or shut up.

    2. davidagalvan says:

      Agree! There is demand for this among EV owners, and it makes even more sense for solar panel owners.

      Why pay extra for a (what. .. 7 kWh?) Tesla Powerwall for clean energy home storage when you already own a 24 kWh sitting in your car already?

      We first heard about V2H when Nissan debuted it WITH THE LEAF in 2011 (especially with regard to the tsunami of that year, providing resilience for residents against the disaster-stricken power grid). It’s been 5 years since then and we are still just getting “demo’s”, with caveats that we can’t have what they are advertising and there are no known plans to change that.

      Yes, we know it’s cool. When can we buy it?

  13. FiatSparkLeasee-M3Reserved says:

    I think the problem is more of the management of the power to the home than the actual transfer.

    Now that Solar inverters and technology appear to have reached a technological point of managing this effectively on the fly (instead of the traditional backup/switchover), it’s a matter of getting car companies to certify okay to use their EV for the evening time shifting.

    No more duck bill power issues if thousands of EV owners (probably with PV arrays already) plug in and kill the powerwall concept from the get go.

  14. Jeffrey Songster says:

    Agreed about wanting it now… The models I saw were Nichicon made… and there are 3 different ones. Why they haven’t added them to the list of options for folks like us is odd. We have 2 LEAFs and 8.1Kw of Solar on roof… If we could never worry about power outages… it would be a great option. Especially if I ran it only to certain circuits to ensure that fridge is most protected item. Only makes sense to offer this to me. Costs about 4k though I think.