Nissan No Charge to Charge & BMW ChargeNow DC Fast Comparison

2 years ago by Mark Kane 26

NRG EVgo - CHAdeMO and Combo chargers

NRG EVgo – CHAdeMO and Combo chargers

Nissan No Charge to Charge & BMW ChargeNow DC Fast Comparison

Nissan No Charge to Charge & BMW ChargeNow DC Fast Comparison

BMW recently launched itsĀ ChargeNow DC Fast promotion, similar to Nissan’s No Charge to Charge. The main partner in both projects is NRG EVgo.

Both projects includes free:

  • 30 minutes DC fast charging
  • 60 minutes AC L2 charging

…for all new customers who purchase or lease (BMW i3 or Nissan LEAF respectively), for the first 24 months.

When that time passes, then you need to pay for charging as any other user would.

In both cases, rollout of the promotion is limited to similar markets – 21 for Nissan and 25 for BMW. Only a few cities are different.

The number of charging points is different, as well as participating networks (several, in the case of Nissan).

Different DC fast charging standards are used too – CHAdeMO for LEAF and Combo for i3, but the power output of the network (NRG EVgo) will be the same 50 kW.

With BMW’s comitment to DC fast charging (500 new chargers by 2018), we should see some bump in sales this month for the i3.

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26 responses to "Nissan No Charge to Charge & BMW ChargeNow DC Fast Comparison"

  1. Texas FFE says:

    It looks like ChargeNow is good for both ChargePoint and evGO networks. I was thinking that BMW paid the service providers up front like owners pay Tesla up front for Superchargering but now I’m not so sure. There is no way I can think of for BMW to pay multiple service providers up front. I would like to know what the agreements are between Nissan and the service providers and between BMW and the service providers.

  2. Ted Wilson says:

    They don’t need to give a free charging. Just allow the charge for a small fee and this will create revenue for them and at the same time more charging locations for EV owners.

    1. jerryd says:

      Wow this must save I3 owners all of $20!!!
      At the price of an i3 which is way more than it should be, charging should be
      free always.
      Other, they best get 100+ kw charging out soon or they will lose even worse to Tesla as the Model 3 comes out at $35k forcing all other EV prices down.
      As the 3 likely will only need 40kwhr at 175wthrs/mile for 200 mile range filling 150 miles worth would only take 20 minutes for free.

      1. SparkEV says:

        I can’t speak for Ted Wilson, but I don’t want to see free charging due to overcrowding and wait times at chargers. BMW will sell tens of thousands of i3, yet they only plan to add 500 chargers. This will cause problems, especially during popular times and locations like key intercity locations where long distance drivers will compete with locals.

        Imagine if gas is free how long the wait times will be at gas stations. If you can’t picture it, go to costco gas station where they sell gas only few cents cheaper than other places and see the long lines. “Free” is much more powerful than just few cents off.

      2. Texas FFE says:

        I think the free charging has more psychological value than financial. If I charged for free every day or so for three years it would save me maybe $800 in electricity. I guess you could add another $1,500 to the free charging value if you don’t already have a home charger. I would still rather home charge so those savings really are not there for me. Besides, the cost of my time to go out of my way to charge would quickly eat up those savings. But hey, if I could say I charge for free that would add real psychology value. I feel the pull of temptation already to go out and buy a new I3 so I can have the bragging rights to say I charge for free.

  3. Ian says:

    If only they had an ap where ev drivers could drop a pin to recommend locations for charging stations. Plug share would be the best site. If they could link in with these guys so it makes more effective charging locations that would be amazing. I live in a ev charger black hole.

    1. Texas FFE says:

      I don’t think evGO is going to add any more stations for the ChargeNow program. evGO already has over 1000 charging stations but only about 100 have CCS chargers. I did find something else interesting on the evGO website, it said that all the evGO stations are designed to except future 150 kW chargers and some stations are designed for future 400 kW chargers. It looks like evGO has been planning to go to higher power chargers for a long time.

      1. TP says:

        evGo will need to install some CCS units around Nashville and other locales where they only have CHAdeMo DCFCs. It will be interesting to see if they replace current Nissan/Sumitomo units, or add additional DCFC equipment.

        I wonder how many other cities will also need this type of upgrade.

      2. MAelectricCAR says:

        NRG needs to LOWER it’s price if it is going to succeed anywhere around the Massachusetts area.
        Over Priced and un-known output of the DC charger is misleading .
        I will drive out of my way to NOT use NRG

    2. Jeff Songster says:

      Pretty sure that Nissan used Plugshare as basis for their own app for no charge to charge. Works well.

  4. ooOoo says:

    Some EVGo installations for “Nissan No Charge to Charge” were installed with dual standard capable unit, but with only CHAdeMO plug. With the BMW program, likely they just add the Combo plug. Like this … [IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/168hhsk.jpg[/IMG]

    1. Texas FFE says:

      I think all the DCFC chargers evGO installed recently are dual chargers. I know about a half dozen evGO chargers were installed in Texas in the last six months and they are all dual chargers with the CCS cable missing.

      1. Mutwin Kraus says:

        That is ridiculous. Why do they not just add the cable? I’ve never seen a DC charger with a cable deliberately missing over here in Europe.

        1. Texas FFE says:

          Of course it’s ridiculous but the reasoning is simple. The CHAdeMO chargers were being funded through the Leaf No-Charge-To-Charge program but until now no auto manufacturer was subsidizing evGO for installation of CCS chargers. It looks like the evGO game plan worked, BMW is finally coughing up the cash through the BMW ChargNow program. The really sad thing is that those cables probably came with the dual chargers and are probably sitting in a box in the evGO shop right now.

        2. ooOoo says:

          Because the standard war continues…from Betamax vs VHS ; and now CCS vs CHAdeMO .

        3. Texas FFE says:

          This is an example of how vicious the charging wars are getting. BMW can’t sell I3s because there are no CCS DCFC stations. evGO won’t enable their DCFC charging station for CCS unless BMW gives them money. Sounds like extortion to me.

          1. Rebert says:

            I guess the German OEMs should have thought of this when they dreamed up the CCS standard…

            Rebert

    2. jerryd says:

      Wow!! Were they selling these by the Cubic Feet?
      Look at a Tesla SC station. There is no need to be larger than it is, yet these things are huge!!

  5. SparkEV says:

    The photo looks like San Diego Fashion Valley. That’s the only place I’ve seen CCS only charger. True?

  6. How many DC charging stations and stalls are available in each of the two networks?

    How many DC charging stations and stalls are accessible from either network? (i.e.: offer dual DC charging support)

  7. Texas FFE says:

    Tesla has by far the best charging infrastructure network. It’s funny that all the other auto manufacturers are saying they don’t want to get into charging infrastructure development but that’s one of the main reasons Tesla has done so well. What Tesla is doing is creating a monopoly.

    People who want access to the Tesla charging infrastructure are forced to buy a very expensive automobile. Maybe Tesla is still small enough that the courts are looking the other way but this can’t last very long. I think the Tesla Supercharger infrastructure has to be forced to separate from the auto manufacturing.

    Tesla should be forced to allow EVs from other manufacturers to use their Superchargers. I think that Tesla was very elitist in developing a charging infrastructure that only their very expensive cars could use. These charging infrastructure wars are hurting the nation and need to be stopped.

    The auto manufacturers, service providers and technical associations appear incapable of working out the charging infrastructure problems on their own. I see no other choice but for the courts to get involved to straighten this mess out. Just think of what kind of charging infrastructure we would have now if all the players had worked together instead of traveled along separate paths.

    Maybe we really would be at 1 million electric vehicles like we were suppose to be in 2015. I highly respect the accomplishments Elon Musk has achieved but he should be ashamed of how he has hurt the nation with his proprietary charging infrastructure. Elon should take the lead in fixing this mess before the courts step in and force him to fix it.

    1. ooOoo says:

      Tesla is the only company that looking at the EV ownership as a whole, rather than looking at EV as a product. I think both Nissan and BMW, foresee the EV enthusiast purchase will dry up eventually and they need to make EV lifestyle possible for wider population. That’s why they are using these “no charge to charge” and “ChargeNow” program to catch up.

      1. Texas FFE says:

        Tesla could have went with CCS or CHAdeMO but they went with their own standard. Tesla could worked with the other manufacturers to develop a common high powered DCFC standard. There are a lot of things Tesla could have done to support the growth of the entire EV industry but instead they left everybody else stranded with incompatible charging systems.

        1. Djoni says:

          I don’t think this is the way it was.
          How do you know if Tesla didn’t want to work with all the others.
          The problem is there were no other at the time they needed such infrastructure, everyone was dragging their feet to get such a standard, so they just made their own.
          CCS came later.
          It’s a shame, but I think the Tesla configuration is the best one.
          Sleek, light and powerful. (Ever try CHAdeMO?)
          They also invite everyone to join them.
          So why is it that they’re going separate road?
          It’s not Tesla fault, at least not entirely.

          1. Texas FFE says:

            I agree with your argument but not your conclusion. The Tesla chargering plug is a little bitty thing that can handle L1, L2, Tesla S, Supercharger and CHAdeMO with adapters, very impressive. The big problem is the sales structure for Superchargering. There are companies that are already installing aftermarket adapters for CHAdeMO and CCS. These aftermarket companies can build Supercharger adapters but Tesla controls who chargers at the Superchargers and how they pay. Even if other auto manufacturers adopted the Tesla standard, Tesla would control what cars could charge and how much the owners would have to pay. Tesla is controlling the market and that’s the definition of a monopoly.

    2. Texas FFE says:

      Our country has seen this kind of monopoly many times before and we’ve got laws protecting us. The best example is Standard Oil. Standard Oil owned not only the oil wells but the distribution system. Standard Oil was able to control prices and keep others out of the market. Tesla is doing the same thing. The courts broke Standard Oul up.