Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn Predicts Higher LEAF Sales In 2016 – Video Interview

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Nissan LEAF sales in U.S. - December 2015

Nissan LEAF sales in U.S. – December 2015

Carlos Ghosn tests autonomous Nissan LEAF prototype

Carlos Ghosn tests autonomous Nissan LEAF prototype

At the 2016 NAIAS, Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn expressed expectations that LEAF sales in U.S. will grow this year after a significant decline in 2015.

Ghosn said that the reasons behind lower sales was that buyers were waiting on the 2016 model year LEAF with a 30 kWh battery, and also due to the end of incentives in Atlanta. To be specific, the $5,000 incentive was shut down in all of Georgia.

The 2016 LEAF with the 30 kWh battery is now on sale and with growing charging infrastructure, Ghosn hopes for increased sales in 2016.

Whether LEAF will improve or not is a situation that we will closely monitor every month (along with all the other EVs) on our US Monthly Plug-In Scorecard.

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98 responses to "Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn Predicts Higher LEAF Sales In 2016 – Video Interview"

  1. Speculawyer says:

    Yeah . . . I don’t know.
    -The new Volt is really nice IMHO.
    -The 200 mile range GM Bolt is now on people’s minds.
    -Various compliance cars will probably offer steep discounts. (Spark EV, Fiat 500e, etc.)
    -And the Tesla Model 3 reveal in March will get huge hype.

    I think it will be a tough year for the LEAF despite the upgrade to 107 miles.

    1. SparkEV says:

      While it may be true about Bolt anticipation, I don’t think so about SparkEV/500e. SparkEV low sales has been due to lack of availability; it’s been constantly sold out, and I doubt Chevy will make whole lot more.

      500e lacks DCFC, which limit it to city car duty while even Leaf S has Chademo option.

      Overall, I think Bolt + Model3 anticipation will lower all EV sales except Tesla with Leaf + i3 being hit the hardest.

      1. jelloslug says:

        As cheap as BMW is pushing out i3 deals I think they will still sell well enough for at least the first 6 months this year. As more and more news about the larger i3 battery comes out though you will start to see a drop off in sales.

    2. Europe will lead global Leaf sales.

      None of your mentioned cars will be actual on sale in Europe this year. They are all vaporware!

    3. Sabre says:

      Nissan is also competing against its own 200+ mile range leaf that is anticipated next year

  2. Rickcama says:

    Almost 4 years ago, New LEAF, full charge indicated 104 miles, now full charge is 54 miles. Just saying.

    1. Tony says:

      Same here!
      Got the Leaf in May 2011, dropped the 4th battery capacity bar at 62k miles around July 2015, contacted Nissan Leaf Customer Service and they informed me there is nothing they can do. (of course, it dropped the 4th bar AFTER 60k miles) I need to pay full price if I need a battery replacement.
      Dropped the 5th battery capacity bar on Dec 2015, traded it in and get Volt Gen2.
      Sorry for getting back to burn gas.

      1. Mr. M says:

        you should have filed a BBB, go to mynissanleaf.com or so (search google “nissan forum”) and ask what to do.

      2. Nick says:

        How much is a fifth bar loser LEAF worth on trade, if you don’t mind me asking.

      3. Josh says:

        I hope you leased this time around.

  3. Mister G says:

    Mr. Ghosn where are the 2016’s can’t find one in Central Florida?

    1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

      There are plenty, check online, e.g. autotrader dot com lists them for $27k-$37k depending on trim. But I would buy a Chevy Bolt or Volt instead if you really want to pay extra for electric.

      1. Mister G says:

        I did that and a few 2016s popped up so I contacted Reed Nissan of Clermont and they don’t sell Leafs. On your point about Bolt, I don’t trust GM because they make their money on ICE sales.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          Doesn’t Nissan also make the vast majority of its income on sales of ICEVs?

          Just sayin’.

          1. Mister G says:

            Yes but I trust Nissan more than GM I leased 12 Leaf for 39 months, lease ended last month.

  4. Brian says:

    Even if it’s true that in 2015 people were waiting for the 30kWh Leaf, it’s even more true that in 2016 people will be waiting for the 60kWh Bolt. Even once the 2016 Leaf hit the showrooms, it didn’t sell well. The best Nissan can hope for is that 2016 matches 2015 in sales. I wouldn’t be surprised to see another year of decline.

    Once the Leaf 2.0 hits the road, it will be game on with the Bolt and later the Model III. Until then, Nissan is just in a holding pattern.

    One card that Nissan holds is pricing. If they really want to increase sales, they could provide much better offers.

    Another wild card is future upgradability. If Nissan announced that current cars will be made upgradable to new higher capacity packs, it could boost sales in the short term. I don’t see that happening though.

    1. LEAF_n_PiP says:

      I think offering upgrades could actually be a lucrative business for Nissan. Sure, when my Leaf’s battery capacity is diminished, I COULD buy a new Leaf. But I could also buy a Bolt, Model S, i3, etc and Nissan would never see another penny from me. Alternatively, if Nissan allowed me to upgrade my pack, I would keep my Leaf, Nissan would make a profit off the battery upgrade, and I would continue to have my vehicle (minimally) serviced at Nissan dealerships. However, I highly doubt such a large corporation could ever have the mentally to think as such.

      1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

        If they would offer you upgrade for what it really costs them to do, most likely you will get very angry, scream RIPPOF! and will never buy from Nissan again. So it is better for them not to offer something that they can’t deliver at reasonable price.

        1. Nick says:

          It’s this due to the BMS wiring?

        2. LEAF_n_PiP says:

          Can’t deliver at a reasonable price, or won’t? Prices of batteries are and will continue to be much cheaper than when the Leaf was first released. Costwise I would be surprised if they couldn’t make an upgrade affordable.

      2. SJC says:

        I asked Nissan if they would sell me batteries for an after market range extender, they said absolutely NO.

  5. evnow says:

    It all depends on how many Nissan wants to sell and how they will price it. The latest (Jan) lease prices are better than December, but still too expensive. SV – even the VPP price – costs $420 a month (zero down). I got my ’13 for lease for about $200 a month (zero down). I don’t expect to see that kind of price anymore – but about $300 a month with zero down will start moving Leafs. Otherwise I expect sales to fall below 1k a month as ’15 stock dwindles.

  6. ffbj says:

    In related news Renault under investigation in
    France:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/renault-confirms-raids-by-fraud-office-says-it-s-cooperating

    Also more bad acting by the legacy car companies as Fiat Chrysler by the U.S. for fraudulent actions.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/dealer-suit-says-fiat-chrysler-lies-on-sales-reports

  7. Pete says:

    I think Nissan could also sell 30 kWh Leaf when Bolt arrives in 2017, GM can’t deliver much EVs as needed. And depends how much costs extras for Bolt, Nissan should lower price 4000 $, heard some dealers give already more than 4000$ but was the 2015 model.

    1. Open-Mind says:

      Respectfully disagree. Compared to a $30K Bolt, the Leaf has a fragile battery design, a poor battery warranty, half the EV range, weak acceleration, and goofy ugly styling. And very little has been improved in the last five years. Leaf is toast.

      1. Open-Mind says:

        I just coined a new term: “goofugly”

        Usage example:

        “I would buy a Leaf, but it looks goofugly.”

        🙂

        1. ffbj says:

          I hate combined words as usually they are pretty goofugly, but in this case I approve.

          1. Speculawyer says:

            My daughter got really into creating combined words. Most of them were terrible.

            But one day she noticed how I tap my foot on the ground when I drop some food to alert my dog, Jack, that there is a morsel for him to eat.

            She said “The Jackuum works even better than a Roomba!” That one stuck.

            1. Best laugh all week. Thanks for the levity. I feel much better now.

        2. Speculawyer says:

          I like it. I think the i3 looks a bit goofugly.

        3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          Open-Mind said:

          “I just coined a new term: ‘goofugly’.”

          I think Lewis Carroll would approve. 🙂

      2. Alex says:

        The Bolt is a compliance car, or who would plan 30.000 units when already Tesla sells 50.000 Model S, also the fact the Bolt is no sedan for US market. And the Bolt is minimum 12 months away, ok a compliance company like GM must release it early to annoy the pioneers. The Leaf is a leader, even with thermal management issues in hot climate but in Europe and Japan there are no problems and the Leaf is one of most reliable cars.
        I would rather buy a Mitsubishi i-miev than a car from a EV killer.

        1. David Murray says:

          Tesla only sold 25,000 in the USA last year and since the Bolt is primarily going to be sold in the USA I would say 30,000 is a good and realistic target.

        2. Brian says:

          I have to wonder if the sales target was mostly due to the contract with LG Chem. I mean think about it. LG Chem is likely losing money at first if they are only selling the batteries for $145/kWh. They would naturally want to limit that loss until they can get their own costs down. But they need the garaunteed volume in order to actually ramp up production.

          So my guess is that Chevy will build 30k Bolts in 2017, and easily sell every one they can build (at least if they motivate their dealers to market them). The production line will be battery-supply limited for a year or two as LG Chem ramps up and brings down their own cost. Once LG Chem is making a profit on the batteries, the limiting factor will be demand, and we get to see what demand truly is for a $30k 200 mile BEV.

          1. Phr3d says:

            Brian, my takeaway was that the magic $145 was reached in Combination with the Rest of the equipment that LG is supplying – they can make a reasonable profit and have a commitment for at least (10k ?) x number of complete assemblies.
            This, in turn, gives LG the ‘right’ to build out their US facility If the Bolt does well – they have their tidy low profit front end, and a much expanded one if the Bolt is a hit.
            Not to mention invaluable experience in supplying a complete set of systems for future collaborations.

        3. jh says:

          On the other hand there is only tesla that isn’t an compliance car.

        4. JeremyK says:

          Alex,
          You should read more and type less. GM has put the “limited production” rumor to rest.
          http://www.hybridcars.com/not-a-compliance-car-gm-says-2017-chevy-bolt-production-capacity-exceeds-50000-per-year/

      3. marc says:

        In 2015 we had a market of over 300.000 EVs worldwide, some people think a 200 miles Bolt will change that and 400.000 potential EV buyers in 2016 all wait for the 10 Bolts rolling to one dealer in December. Even if the other manufactures have no range update they will sell their 100 miles EV, clear with some discount. But all others have ONE year time to reveal their EVs, even if they wait until mid 2017 not much will happen.

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Right. The Bolt may kill the U.S. market for the Leaf, but in 2014, Nissan sold about 60,000 Leafs, whereas GM according to reports plans to ramp up Bolt production to only 30,000 units per year.

      It’s not that the Leaf will outsell the Bolt in other countries, it’s that the Bolt likely won’t be available for sale outside the U.S. and China. (Note this is speculation on my part, but hopefully informed speculation.)

      Now, if GM decides to ramp up production of the Bolt to meet demand on the international market, things will change. But GM has a strong disincentive to cut into sales of its own more profitable gasmobiles, so very likely won’t produce enough Bolts to satisfy demand.

      1. ffbj says:

        Seems realistic.

    3. zzzzzzzzzz says:

      GM has already answered this question, saying that they can deliver more, and LG Chem can supply them more if there is demand. 30k is just expected sale number, not limit. It is reasonable number, I would even say optimistic, as as far as I heard it will not sell outside US until the end of 2017, and gas is under $2/gal in the US. Leaf sales were much below 30k in the US in 2015, most of them were outside US. Bolt is big step forward comparing to Leaf, but it is still up to 200 miles round-trip (100 miles from home) car and not cheap, don’t expect too many regular folks rush to replace their gas cars and spend time planning road trips around DC chargers.

  8. John says:

    We’ve had Leaf on lease for almost three years and really like it, but we won’t be buying another later this year when our lease is up. Not enough range for the price, they’re asking too much for the new models, and there’s no battery temp management. We’ve lost one capacity bar and we’ve babied this thing.

    If I want a low cost EV just for local commuting, I’ll try to get s Spark or even iMiev at a low price. If I want to do more than that, I’ll buy the Bolt. Why? Better values and all of these have active thermal management for the battery.

    Nissan, wake up. The competition has moved to the next level and it’s time to step up.

    1. Mister G says:

      Wait a minute, GM has not made the Bolt available to consumers?

      1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

        No. It will be available in December in the US and whole year later in the rest of the world, and likely will not be available at all in left hand drive countries.

  9. ggpa says:

    As I read all the comments here I wondered “what does Ghosn know that we don’t”?

    I guess he is looking at the whole world, not only USA. Even if the Bolt is a hit, and Tesla starts shipping Model 3 a year later, there is still a lot of time for 30kWh Leaf to sell well in Europe and Japan.

    And it will continue to sell ok in USA, but not as well as before.

    1. cmg186 says:

      Makes sense, but as per the article, Ghosn was quoted as saying that US sales will increase this year.

    2. Speculawyer says:

      He knows that he is paid more if investors are confident in his company so he is going to spin it as best he can.

      1. sven says:

        Ghosn is about to be dragged through the mud if Renault’s own dieselgate mess has any merit to it. Third parties in Europe have reported that real world NOx emissions from Renault diesel engines were way over the limit.

        1. ModernMarvelFan says:

          How much is “way over”?

          Is it greater than 36x?

          I think they found many models from Opel to BMW from Mazda to Honda from Mercedez to Fiat all emits anywhere from 2x to 7x more in “various” conditions… But none is nearly as severe or as apparent as the VW.

          What is the Renault’s figure?

          1. sven says:

            Way over is 25X.

            Allegedly, the “Renault Espace 1.6 dCi had NOx emissions up to 25 times higher than current EURO 6 limits.” Renault “disputes” the findings.

            https://dailykanban.com/2015/11/dieseldammerung-duh-tests-renault-espace-with-frightening-results/

            1. sven says:

              But keep in mind that comparing 25x over for Renault Espace vs. 36x over for VW Jetta is comparing apples to oranges, since California NOx emissions limit is much stricter than the Euro 6 NOx emissions limit. The relevant NOx limits are as follows:

              California LEV II NOx limit for gas and diesel cars is .05 grams/mile.

              Euro 6 NOx limit for diesel cars is .08 grams/mile.

              VW Jetta 36x over in California is .05 x 36 = 1.8 grams/mile NOx.

              Euro Espace 25x over in Europe is .08 x 25 = 2.0 grams/mile NOx.

              Which is worse, violating the more lenient Euro standard 25x or violating the more strict California standard 36x?

              https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/ld_ca.php#levii

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_emission_standards#Emission_standards_for_passenger_cars

    3. zzzzzzzzzz says:

      Bolt is not going to be sold in Japan any time soon. Tesla 3 is still vaporware.

  10. Christopher says:

    Hey Mark, you wrote “To be accurate, the $5,000 incentive was…” but what you meant was “To be precise, the…”

    “Precise” and “accurate” don’t mean the same thing. Just trying to help….

    1. ffbj says:

      Exact would have sufficed too.

      1. Jay Cole says:

        /thanks, I fixed it up

        …went with “specific” though, just to follow the trend, (=

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      My inner Grammar Nazi says:

      pre·cise
      prəˈsīs/
      adjective

      marked by exactness and accuracy of expression or detail.

      * * * * *

      Hmmm, no, the inaccuracy of saying “…due to the end of incentives in Atlanta”, when it was actually due to the end of incentives in all of Georgia, was not a lack of precision. It was overly precise, and therefore inaccurate.

      To say “the $5,000 incentive was shut down in all of Georgia” is not more geographically precise, but it certainly is more geographically accurate.

  11. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    Will the Leaf sell more this year than last? Sure. Will some wait for the Bolt? Sure. But some would-be buyers have already delayed buying a new car to get the Leaf 2.0, and a lot of those, perhaps most, are not gonna wait another year to get a new car.

    The thing to watch for is who is buying the Bolt, when it arrives. Will it be mostly people trading in their older plug-in EV for a Bolt? Hopefully it will be people trading in a gasmobile for a Bolt. Hopefully the Bolt (and the Tesla Model ≡, when it finally arrives) will mostly “steal” customers from the 99% gasmobile segment of the new car market, not the 1% PEV segment.

    If it’s mostly gasmobile buyers buying the Bolt, then there will still be a U.S. market for the Leaf, because there simply won’t be enough Bolts to go around, and a lot of would-be Bolt buyers will settle for a Leaf 2.0.

    All just my opinion, of course.

    1. Speculawyer says:

      Well, even new EVs replacing old EVs is a very good thing. That creates a large market of cheap used EVs. Those used EVs will be sold to a whole new market of EV customers that will enjoy and spread the word about driving without paying for gasoline.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Good point.

        But new car sales of PEVs have to increase before used car sales of PEVs can. (That’s not logically rigorous, but common sense says it will be true.)

  12. Greg says:

    The Leaf, in its current incarnation, is now a LOST CAUSE. Nissan’s upgrade to a 30kwH battery is a joke. Even with the modestly bigger battery the Leaf is still only a local neighborhood car. With a 30KwH battery all one can do is drive a bit longer around the city before needing to charge.

    While Tesla had several major upgrades to its battery size in the past 5 years all Nissan managed to do was a very minor upgrade to its already small battery.

    The Leaf was a great car because it was the first of its kind. And while Nissan was happily resting on its laurels the rest of the automotive industry caught up and, in fact, pulled ahead, far ahead.

    The only reason anyone will buy a current leaf is because they are unable to wait for the Bolt to come out. Anyone who is able to wait will gladly do so. The Bolt will be pretty much the same price as a Leaf, but will feature a Tesla size battery – an amazing feat by GM!

    I predict that the Leaf will continue to see very low sales and that will eventually drop to zero when the Bolt is finally released.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Greg said:

      “The Bolt will be pretty much the same price as a Leaf…”

      Do we know what the price of the Leaf 2.0 will be?

      The 2016 Leaf is significantly less expensive than the estimated price of the Bolt:

      2016 Nissan Leaf MSRP: $29,010

      Chevy Bolt MSRP (estimated): $37,500

      1. shane says:

        The MSRP for the Leaf SV (cheapest model with the 30 Kwh pack) is $34,200. Still cheaper than $37,500, but not as big a gap as to the Leaf S (with the 24 Kwh pacK)

        1. DonC says:

          So you pay the same premium to go from a Leaf with 80 miles of range to one with a 100 miles of range as you do going from the Leaf with 100 miles of range to the Bolt with 200 miles of range. Wonder what is the best deal?

          I think the Bolt’s bigger advantage will be it has so many meaningful options. Hopefully Nissan will up the tech and safety options for the Leaf. Sort of table stakes at this point. Upping the quality and adding a TMS would also seem to be necessary improvements.

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            Don’t forget that Bolt is much faster than a 30kWh LEAF in 0-60mph.

        2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          @shane:

          Thanks for your correction. Yeah, that makes the Bolt a Leaf-killer, all right.

    2. Benjamin says:

      Minor upgrades to the Leaf have kept it as one of the leading EVs available right now. I expect that once they have filled the supply line and dealerships with desired inventory level, then we’ll start to see some deals on it. And when the Bolt comes out we’ll see more deals.

      Since it was introduced the Leaf added: quick charge, improved battery chemistry, 25% increase in range, and a host of other more minor improvements. That’s not bad for 5 years in.

      Of course with all the expectations rising for the Bolt and Model 3, the Leaf is not exciting any more, but it IS still a leader at the moment unless you want to pay big bucks for a Tesla.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        The Leaf still doesn’t have a liquid battery cooling system. Even if they can up the range to 200 miles, I question that it’s going to be competitive with the Bolt.

        And Jay Cole says the Bolt will be sold in Europe, so that marginalizes the Leaf’s edge in international sales. Perhaps the Bolt won’t be offered in right-hand-drive countries, but that probably wouldn’t impact sales that much… no offense to Brits!

        1. Jay Cole says:

          I probably should have expanded this further.

          Currently the scuttlebutt is that GM is allocating a “small” amount of production to Europe (~10-15%) once its released, around ~Fall 2017 (to fulfill a promise to have a new EV offering by 2017’s end). There is no RHD Bolt to be considered for production, we already have GM confirmation on that one.

          So you are probably looking at a sales/allocation range in 2018 of 2,500 to 5,000 in Europe. Who knows past then…probably a ‘wait and see’ how it does story.

          The Ampera transplant project was a tuffie on GM, so they are likely erring on the side of caution this time.

          1. Phr3d says:

            We-uhll, the automotive press/Jeremy hurt ’em a Ton, and we need to remember the price-premium at the time – The Ampera was ‘simply’ compared to other cars costing the same amount, and the Opel brand was Not premium, so no one got it (nor any Other electric cars, i.e., Renting the battery to keep the MSRP lower, hehe).
            Yep, they took a solid b-slap, but Mary will prevail, London Needs this car (also Tokyo and Sydney).
            Hence my rosie-tints, lol.

    3. Tesla major battery upgrade was 5 kWh, Tesla is a total joke!

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Get some new material. Your FUD has grown stale.

    4. zzzzzzzzzz says:

      You forget that most of Leaf sales are not in the US, and there are either no any Bolts planned, or not until a year later after US. By that time it is likely Nissan will release 60 kWh Leaf 2.0 too or at least announce it.

  13. AlphaEdge says:

    Unless there are significant price drops, I predict declines this year.

    Monthly lease prices here in Canada is around $600 (48 months/24,000 km/yr)! That’s laughable! Luxury car territory.

    If they want me to buy into their battery architecture, they have to lower the price by $10,000 on the 107 mile range model, and with $5,000 BC Provincial incentive it might be a buy at roughly $24,000 before sales tax.

    Price difference here over gas car, is $20,000, and that’s like 15 years worth of gas, and their battery won’t last anywhere near as long.

  14. DonC says:

    The Leaf is getting long in the tooth, its battery sans TMS is problematic, and it’s a pretty crappy car. Sales were helped by big incentives in GA. When those went away sales dropped off a cliff. Hard to see anything changing from the last half of 2015.

    Of course Nissan could also do fire sales. No doubt that would help.

    1. Only Tesla fool batteries need TMS and they still burn down all the time.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        Every major PEV models uses TMS except for Nissan.

        Volt uses them.
        Ford Focus EV uses them.
        BMW i3, i8 uses them.
        Mercedez B-class E uses them.
        Volvo XC90 PHEV uses them.
        Audi A3 E-tron uses them.
        Fiat 500e uses them.

        The list goes on…

        1. SparkEV says:

          VW eGolf doesn’t use TMS.

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            I didn’t list it there.

            Given how “slow” eGolf it is (basically as slow as LEAF), the air cooling is probably sufficient. (higher power drain generates far more heat for the chemistry that VW is using).

            1. SparkEV says:

              You mentioned “except for Nissan”; it should be Nissan + VW.

              TMS for BEV is far more useful when it comes to DCFC. I don’t think there’d be much impact on 0-60 as that’s only 10 seconds (or 7 seconds) whereas DCFC would be sustained power over many minutes, hence slow charging for Leaf, probably for eGolf as well.

              1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                Technically you can argue that VW e-Golf does have a TMS. It is just an air cooled system with a fan blowing across it.

                Nissan doesn’t even have that.

                The power dissipation can be an issue in a continue and sustained hwy driving and how power dissipation and consecutive DCFC session in extreme heat.

        2. zzzzzzzzzz says:

          Newer LG Chem NMC batteries do not require full active cooling for each individual cell anymore. Bolt does cooling, but in a limited way, and it improves costs/complexity a bit.

          Tesla uses NCA chemistry, it had a bit better energy density and was more mature, but it is considered more volatile and you really need strict temperature control for it to avoid fire.

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            Doesn’t matter, once you approach 60 deg C, it is all “game over” for Lithium ion.

            Some chemistry are better than others. The warmer temperature will just “accelerate” aging. So the cooler it is, the better (above freezing of course).

            Most climate combined with heat generated from charging and dissipating rarely gets the battery near 50 deg C to 60 deg C. But in climate such as AZ, a combined high ambient temperature and internal heat build up can get the battery close to that temperature.

            air cooling is at the limitation of outside air temperature. Liquid cooling (with refrigerant) can cool to temperature below ambient. liquid cooling with refrigerant can have a higher heat dissipating capacity than air cooling.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Counter-Strike Cat continued his Tesla bashing:

        “Only Tesla fool batteries need TMS…”

        ROTFL!
        😀 😀 😀

        I see you’ve gone from desperate to outright laughable.

        Nissan is the only company making PEVs with sizable battery packs that does not use a thermal management system. Not only BEVs, but the Volt PHEV too.

        How is that working out for Nissan, hmmm? 😀

  15. ModernMarvelFan says:

    Am I the only person who doesn’t think Bolt will sell anywhere close to 30K volume?

    I hope I am wrong. As much as I think how great Bolt is, I just don’t think the Public is that smart and GM has too much “baggage” to sell a terrific car that is on the “cutting edge”.

    1. Rich says:

      I expect the BOLT to be sold out in 2017 and probably 2018, even if Tesla Model 3 is awesome and starts shipping at the end of 2017. The only thing that might impact 30K car sales would be a competing CUV offering by Nissan with a little more range or better features.

      1. Totally agree. A lot of Leaf drivers coming off lease (and probably almost all Ford Focus Electric drivers) will be driving a Bolt in 2017.

        Easy sales. These folks dont need an education, or a reason. They know what they want. 200 miles + QC in an attractive package. Bolt delivers that plus very sporty performance and impressive infotainment tech.

        A lot of people who were waiting on the sidelines for 200 miles will be lining up.

        Probably even some people waiting for Model 3 will lease, making the wait less tedious.

        Bolt will be a huge success.

    2. ffbj says:

      If they sell more than 12k of them in calendar 2017 I would be surprised, for whatever reasons.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        I feel the same way.

        I hope I am wrong.

        1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

          Maybe 30k is optimistic, but why not. Leaf sales in the US were 17k last year. As far as I have heard, Bolt is going to be sold in US only in 2017, so numbers may be comparable to some extent. Bolt range is much better than Leaf, and it is new model unlike Leaf, even if people are getting used to low gas prices, and tax credit will probably still apply in 2017. It depends on first impression of buyers, hopefully GM will not mess up something making it unreliable and it will sell even better than 30k.

    3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      ModernMarvelFan said:

      “Am I the only person who doesn’t think Bolt will sell anywhere close to 30K volume?

      “I hope I am wrong.”

      Well, it likely will be at least two years before the answer to that question becomes clear.

      Plenty of time for (hopefully friendly) debate!

  16. jh says:

    Let’s face it. Bev cars are making up a miniscule percentage of total production and sales. Given the constraints all, apart from tesla, have in term well define rapid charging they will basically sell among the already converted. That set of people are that we’ll informed that they will likely choose the bolt as they get more bang for the back. Bolt isn’t a game changer as they haven’t addressed the recharging infrastructure. But it will be formidable success against egolf, leaf and so forth. There is very little to support nissan hopeful sales projection for the leaf.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      I think you’re being unduly pessimistic. There are a lot of PEV owners who never use public charging. The increase from ~80 miles to ~200 miles will make BEVs much more practical, and hopefully will expand PEV sales significantly beyond the 1% of the market they currently seem to be stuck with.

      Yes, I do wish GM had enabled the Bolt for faster charging. But that is only one feature out of many. And soon other auto makers will offer 200+ mile BEVs with the ability to charge at 75 kW, or 100 kW, or perhaps even more. GM will be forced to keep up, so hopefully within a year or two they’ll upgrade the Bolt’s onboard charger.

    2. JP white says:

      Face this fact. The Tesla Model S accounts for 25% of the total luxury car market displacing all of the competition.

      As TEsla enter other market segments, expect the same rapid uptake of BEV’s

  17. crossie says:

    Leaf sales here in Ireland are up quite a bit.
    Nissan Ireland hit Q1 2016 sales targets for the Leaf with preorders back in December.
    My dad is upgrading from a 2014 Leaf to the 30kWh. Due for delivery Tuesday.

    The Bolt won’t be sold here according to Opel (the local GM brand).

    Personally as soon as Model 3 preorders open my deposit will be down but I don’t expect to see one until 2018. Hoping in the meantime BMW offer a battery upgrade for my i3.

    1. Brian says:

      Ireland feels like almost an ideal market for a 30kWh BEV. The entire island (including Northern Ireland) is about 200 miles at it’s longest. A few well-placed CHAdeMOs all but eliminate range anxiety. And the climate is cool but not frigid. No excess heat to kill the battery capacity like in the southern US. And with a modest winter, the heat pump should be fairly effective at maintaining range even in December – February.

      There are lots of good markets for the Leaf outside of the US. Even inside the US. Worldwide, the car will continue to sell just fine.

  18. bazeng says:

    I think Carlos is in dream land, if gas prices stay low in the US,EV sales will continue to plummet

    1. JP white says:

      Carlos is not delusional, he’s lying.

      The LEAF is doing much better in Europe and Asia as compared to a few years ago. The LEAF Batteries are holding up well in Europe’s mild climate.

      In the US the LEAF battery doesn’t cut it in terms of durability or range thanks to the extreme temperatures and long commutes here. Add to that Nissan was sued by and lost to its angry customer base and I believe Nissan have lost the desire to actively promote the LEAF in the US.

      I believe Nissan will focus on Europe and Asia and de-emphasise the US market. Their next EV will be based on the Note and sold in Japan to start with. If Nissan were serious about another EV for the US they’d create a BEV or PHEV version of the Rouge.

      Once Nissan have licked their legal wounds in the US and replaced the failed batteries under warranty they may give it another go. I suspect they will cede the US market to GM, BMW and Tesla.