Next Gen Nissan LEAF Spotted: Dash Displays 265 km/165 Miles Of Range

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Posted by Nicolas Dufresne on Friday, July 21, 2017

It was only a matter of time.

Thanks to a keen-eyed Nissan LEAF driver in France – Nicolas Dufresne, we have the first real confirmation of some of the abilities of the next generation LEAF, which is set to debut on September 5th.

Nicolas shared more than a few photos with the Facebook group LEAF France Café, which you can also check out below, but the most interesting one out of the gate is this revelation via the 2018 LEAF’s instrumentation cluster – which seems to be indicating 265 km of range, or 165 miles.

Next Gen Nissan LEAF shot might indicate 265 kms of range with 99% of the battery remaining (via Facebook Nicolas Dufresne/LEAF France Café)

If the shot is accurate, and given the expectations of the new LEAF arriving with a ~40 kWh and also a ~60 kWh battery option, this would seem to at least confirm the entry level at around 40 kWh, as the current generation’s 30 kWh battery is rated for 172km/107 miles of EPA driving.

We should note that Nicolas states “99% battery is shown for 295 km (183 miles)” when describing the picture, but upon further inspection, it appears to us to read 265 km…you be the judge.

Also to note: these pictures where taken by the Aire de Corbières (in Aude), just off the A61 motorway (the vehicle was registered in Spain), so the numbers are likely conservative after recently having completed a stretch of driving on the 130 km/h (81 mph) route.

As one might expect, Nissan has been working hard to keep this sort of info to itself, as Automobile Propre explains via Nicolas:

“The two people on board, who were communicating in English, were not at all pleased to see me take these pictures and even asked me to remove them”

Next Gen Nissan LEAF gets a boost of French highway (via Facebook Nicolas Dufresne/LEAF France Café)

Other observations from the pictures:

  • DC fast charging CHAdeMO plug
  • RHD drive PPD cars are out there testing
  • new Type 2 – replacing Type 1 in Europe – more on board AC charging abilities?

More comments on the experience from Nicolas (via Automobile Propre):

“The instrumentation is divided into two parts, the first one on the left is digital and the second on the right remains traditional with a conventional needle system,” explains the author of the images adding that he had seen 4 sensors on the Front, “similar to parking aid systems but bigger” , and a central sensor placed between the license plate and the recharging door, probably used for the operation of the ProPilot.

“Leather Alcantara, two-tone colors … the interior finish was approaching the top of the range and the prototype seemed close to the model of series”

Gallery (below): More photos of the 2018 Nissan LEAF (Nicolas Dufresne via LEAF France Café):

2018 Nissan LEAF Nicolas Dufresne via LEAF France CaféAutomobile Propre, hat tip to Adrian W!

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110 responses to "Next Gen Nissan LEAF Spotted: Dash Displays 265 km/165 Miles Of Range"

  1. Don Zenga says:

    Thank you Mr. Nicholos Dufresne for taking the pics and Mr. Jay Cole for publishing this info.

    265 km / 165 miles is great. So this leads us to believe that a version with 40 KWh is possible. This is very important for Leaf to remain the top seller even after the launch of Model 3.

    I guess Leaf will be the perfect hatch/crossover that we are looking for.

    1. Tosho says:

      Most people were probably hoping for more than 40 kwh.
      It will have to be a lot cheaper than the Tesla M3 to sell well.

      1. Jay Cole says:

        The ‘scuttlebutt’ has been for a ZOE-sized 40 kWhish offering out of the gate, and a 60 kWh shortly thereafter.

        With that said, there has been no hard confirmation of either, other than obvious completed 60 kWh pack displays from the IDS and Nissan’s comments about a 200+ mile EV, and early reports of an entry 40 kWh pack for the new LEAF – and now these photos which may indicate the range (provided that is what we are actually seeing).

        Given the way Nissan has priced the LEAF in the past (and the currently advertised competition), if there is a 40 kWh (aggressive ~160 mile estimate) and 60 kWh (~240 mile) split, one would expect (as a WAG) the base LEAF to retail around ~33-35k USD, and the 60 kWh at more like ~$38-40k USD. But who knows? …well, we will know in about six weeks I suppose. It is just nice to finally get to the point where the 2nd gen EVs are finally launching – been a long wait, (=

        1. William says:

          “60 kWh (~140 mile) split,” any chance that you meant to state “60 kWh(~240 mile) split,”?My guessing, is hardly an indicator of your statement.

          1. Jay Cole says:

            Yes, 240 miles as I clearly wrote but you somehow managed to both read and copy & paste wrong! I totally did not go back and edit my comments…because as you can see I even wrote this comment a full minute before (2:42) you even mentioned it, (=

            1. William says:

              Ok, it is what it is, as you say! Interesting times reading your copy and my using C & P!

              1. Jay Cole says:

                It’s amazing, I have yet to ever make a mistake here at InsideEVs. I’m pretty much the best, (=

                1. William says:

                  Your still the best, and quite obviously perfect, but, I still have to “Vote for Pedro”!
                  You know, one must support “A boat-load of gangs” as they need N.D. bow staff support!

                2. D Fearns says:

                  Converting kilometres to miles by subtracting 100 isn’t something to show off about.

          2. La Frennia di Mamata says:

            Not Enough Cowbell.. I need More COWBELL !!

            1. CLIVE says:

              My too.

              I need a “Sport” offering with dual motors!

        2. Unplugged says:

          The problem with the Leaf and the Bolt is that they are $28K vehicles priced at $38K. The general public doesn’t look at incentives and fed credits. They compare the car to what they can buy at $28K.

          Until Leaf and Bolt reduce the price, they will continue to attract the early adopter, but not the regular buyer.

          Tesla went after the near luxury sports sedan market, and priced the Model 3 the same as the BMW 3 series. Again, Tesla goes for the gas jugular, and are not competing against EVs.

          1. CLIVE says:

            Sure but until then the early bird gets the worm!

            1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

              “Sure but until then the early bird gets the worm!”

              In this case, it looks like the early bird (the Bolt EV) is lazing around in its lawn chair, ignoring the worms, while the later-rising Model 3 is preparing to go on a feeding frenzy.

              1. Brandon says:

                This article brings out the prediction that EVs will be cheaper than ICE cars by 2025.

                https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-26/electric-cars-seen-cheaper-than-gasoline-models-within-a-decade

                Basically now in 2017 we are at $41k, and by 2020 it will be $35k, and in 2025 twill be $30k.

                1. Peter says:

                  EV cars are already cheaper then ICE over a 10 year period. Petrol and service cost you pay after buying included.
                  You save also a lot of time as you don’t visit a gas station or service center.
                  Environmental is also a important part in the equation.

          2. FISHEV says:

            “The problem with the Leaf and the Bolt is that they are $28K vehicles priced at $38K. The general public doesn’t look at incentives and fed credits. They compare the car to what they can buy at $28K.”

            Until battery costs come down to $50 kWh, EV’s will continue to be about $10K more than equivalent ICE car. Even if the price is reduced by rebates ($2,500 in OR) and Federal Tax Credit ($7,500 if you have enough tax liability to take it in one year) you still have the range and charging issues.

            It’s still a sacrifice to buy an EV so the only buyers will be committed to trying to do something about their carbon footprint.

            And even if they are committed they may not have the money.

            Push needed now is regulatory such as making the Federal Tax rebate $15K and useable over five years. Maybe another $2K tax credit to cover cost of EV charger in home.

            Making price equal is not an incentive. Make price of EV less is an incentive.

            1. Tosho says:

              The Model 3 is definitely not $10K more than the equivalent ICE cars!

              1. La Frennia di Mamata says:

                What about all the savings on 1)NO the SS exhaust system,headers, manifolds, Mufflers. 2) No Transmission, Lines , No Fluids… 3)No Cooling system No fluids or Radiator cooling fans Pulleys Rollers, Belts Etc:) N0 “ICE” Engine & More!!!!What about all the saving On things they don’t need because its an EV Over an “ICE” Car …In my opinion that should “EVEN THINGS OUT”.Pretty Good .It’s all “BS” they’re NOT LOSING MONEY! Don’t be Gullible !

                1. theflew says:

                  EV’s have cooling systems and they’re pretty complex. So they have radiators, cooling fans, glycol fluid, etc..

            2. Josh Bryant says:

              A PHEV SUV could be priced in line with an ICE today.

            3. Rob Stark says:

              Just about every expert in the field says BEVs reach cost parity with ICEv at $100 per kWh.

              Right now the cost of raw materials is ~$80 per kWh

            4. gwad says:

              Punitive incentives for buyers of CO2 emitting cars is a the most effective way to go. Rewarding incentives has a limited effect and costs a lot for the taxpayers.

              The success of EV adoption in Norway is mainly attributed to make other cars disadvantageous. High tax on gas etc.
              http://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

              And after all, the first priority is to reduce CO2 emissions, not to put EVs on the road. So with the punitive incentives emissions is also reduced partly by shorter commuting distance and reduced commuting overall(more people working from home or a local office or relocating to a place closer to their work), partly because of increased biking and increased use of public transportation etc etc.

              A punitive gas tax could be exchanged for a reduction reduction of income tax for the middle class.

              1. Tom says:

                Gas is over $5 per gallon in nearly all of Europe and still only a tiny fraction are EVs in every country except Norway. This punitive tax you mention would need to be north of $3/gallon just to get to that small adoption. Good luck with that.

          3. Terawatt says:

            > The problem with the Leaf and the Bolt is that they are $28K vehicles priced at $38K

            Except that you can get brand new LEAFs for less than $20K, as I am sure you knew full well..!

            So nah, that’s not it.

    2. Brian McGavin says:

      I drive a 2014 Nissan Leaf between 140 & 170 km a day 5 days / week. Great cars take almost a skid of goods with the rear seats removed (I work as a courier).

      Drivability issue for me is hammer the accelerator & steer into a right hand turn & these suckers have a tendency to oversteer. I would love to see each wheel be powered instead of just having front wheel drive.

      One fun thing about these cars – you can have 900 pounds in the cargo area & be off the stop line & on the other side of the intersection doing 65 km/hour. “Take that 2018 Hopped up mustang!” Oh by the way he got the speeding ticket cause I remembered I had cases of expensive wine.

      1. Will says:

        flooring it while cornering? You bought the wrong car if you want to drive it like a race car. Why are you flooring it while doing 90 degree turns on public streets in a front wheel drive car?

        1. Jay D says:

          Will, he’s a courier, which is pretty close to racing driver. I also use that right-steer acceleration test to see how well a FWD car will handle the local wet, steep streets with off-camber turns. This helped to rule out the Focus EV for me, and though the LEAF and SOUL EV are better in this regard, none beat the RWD i-MiEV for urban maneuverability with 50 cf of cargo (though it understeers predictably at every other opportunity).

  2. Bill Howland says:

    They better price this vehicle agressively low, since the (estimated 215) range of the “3” and the 238 miles of the Bolt EV best Nissan’s latest and greatest.

    If the battery isn’t pampered as it is in Tesla and GM products, that will cause many potential Nissan customers to be leary of whatever promises Nissan makes.

    I looked at the Leaf when it came out, but (back then) the battery warranty effectively said Nissan wasn’t going to do anything for you, if there were problems (which, for man, there were). No thanks.

    1. CLIVE says:

      You can bet Nissan will offer two batteries, just as Tesla will do with the Model 3.

      1. Terawatt says:

        More specifically, two 18650 cells. They hope to achieve a range of 200+ centimeters….

  3. mx says:

    “The two people on board, who were communicating in English, were not at all pleased to see me take these pictures and even asked me to remove them”

    — LOL, sure.
    ( All publicity is good publicity. )

  4. William says:

    Most likely a 40 kWh battery, and likely a mildly upgraded Lizzard Pack as well. Looks like the LG cells (60 kWh w/ thermal management) will make it into the SV and SL model equivalent of the 2018 Nissan Leaf 2.0!

    Premium “LG inside” SV/SL 2018 Leaf (60 kWh), will possibly ship in early spring 2018 (March/April)? This 60 kWh Leaf, if and when it arrives, will give the Chevy Bolt EV at least some decent 200 mile + range competition, among the existing legacy ICE manufacturers.

  5. Chacama says:

    If the 60Kw version MSRP is a cent higher than $35k I doubt the Leaf 2 will gain any traction over M3 (yes, different styles but I for one am an early reservation holder who sees the Leaf as an option)

    1. Chacama says:

      BTW, is that blue button near the cruise control the engagement for propilot?

      1. La Frennia di Mamata says:

        NO! That’s the EJECTOR Button…l m a o …

      2. Jeff Songster says:

        Yes blue button… ProPilot… very cool. If Nissan can get a faster fast charging than BOLT, cheaper priced, ProPilot equipped (ideally with Over the Air updates)… they will make a substantial impact in the market… price is super important as Used Teslas are getting down to the price of high end LEAFs and Bolts and even Model IIIs.

  6. Matt Miller says:

    The models of Nanoflowcell have an even bigger range. The Quantino has a range of 600 miles!
    See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZudc1IFfb0

    1. Glenn says:

      Adorable.

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Yes, but we can be pretty sure the Leaf 2.0 will have real battery cells, not vaporware from a sham company like NanoFlowcell.

      1. JIMJFOX says:

        And you are ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY CERTAIN of that? What if [shock, horror] NanoFlowcell, or *something similar turns out to be true? How will you cope? I live in hope. Batteries may not be the final solution.

        *more than one serious company is working on chemical fluid combinations to minimise size & weight whilst maximising energy generation.

        1. Terawatt says:

          You’re cute.

          But grandpa, what if the fairy really does exist?

          Shut up sonny and eat your potatoes.

    3. Someone out there says:

      My pretend car has a bazillion miles of range

      1. William says:

        Sell me one please, before Tesla takes all of my car spending cash! 😉

      2. JIMJFOX says:

        And you LOVE driving it…

    4. Bill says:

      I remember seeing a flow prototype electric car back in the 1970s! Nothing ever came of it.

      Great idea – something resembling a gas station could drain the soent electrolyte and replenish recycled electrolyte in a time similar to getting a tank of gasoline.

      A home owner could also have installed a system to recharge spent electrolyte at home.

      I guess the idea failed due to chicken and egg syndrome with no service station infrastructure and also consumers not wanting to deal with setting up an electrolyte replenishment system at home.

      Fast forward 40+ years. It seems like we should have been able to deal with the packaging problem to make flow cell technology more practical to deploy. So far, I am not holding my breath waiting.

  7. P Roppo says:

    Estimated range means little int he Leaf and everybody should know that. It is only a guesstimate based on previous driving habits and speeds.

  8. Benz says:

    The Nissan Leaf is up to now the most sold EV model.

    Almost 300,000 Nissan Leafs have been sold (in about 7 years).

    Will the second generation of the Nissan Leaf be that good that this total global cumulative sales number will reach the 1,000,000 mark (within a few years time)?

    I have my doubts about that this 1,000,000 mark will be reached anytime before 2025.

    Why?

    Because the Nissan Leaf will not be the first choice when it comes to buying an EV.

    The first choice will be the Tesla Model 3.

    The 1,000,000th Tesla Model 3 will be delivered in 2020.

  9. DJ says:

    Nice collar bro 😀

    Nice pics. I don’t really get camo’ing the rims but to each their own…

  10. MaartenV-nl says:

    It is most probably the day-trip meter between the charge and the odometer. If it is the expected range with a full battery, there is no 40kWh battery that can do 265km on a 130kmh highway.
    And I would trust the eyes of the photographer before deciphering this photo. And 295km for a 60kWh pack on the France Motorways would be great.

    There are numerous Nissan hints that we can expect a 60kWh battery, and none that we should expect a 40kWh battery.
    They did develop a 40kWh pack for the Leaf-I, but hinted that they probably would not use it, but instead go straight for the much more capable Leaf-II.

    They might offer a 40kWh pack, just to have a choice for the customer, but they know there is no serious market for 40kWh BEV. Like the Zoë-40 is showing right now. The new Zoë is expected in 2020, a midlife upgrade was in order. The new leaf was eminent, every reason not to upgrade close before the new model is launched.

    I don’t say a 40kWh pack is impossible, just that it is not logical and not in line with the different Nissan statements.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      “…I would trust the eyes of the photographer before deciphering this photo.”

      I wouldn’t. Eyewitness testimony has proven to be far less reliable than physical evidence such as a photograph.

      1. JIMJFOX says:

        So true! recall the basketball / gorilla experiment?
        70% of the players didn’t see the gorilla in their midst!

  11. Gazz says:

    I hope the Leaf will be a hatchback so I can fit a small tool chest I have for work.

    Its only the size of a kitchen chair but you can’t fit it through the pointless truck opening a sedan like the M3 has.

    1. Jim Bo says:

      It will be hatchback with better space utilization than M3. Not even considering an M3.

      1. Rob Stark says:

        Hatchbacks are too ugly to consider.

        Liftback four door coupes on the other hand….

        1. fred says:

          I’m always amazed that hatchbacks aren’t more popular, yet SUVs which surprisingly have HATCHBACKS are all the rage.

          Its all about looks and nothing about utility.

      2. Acevolt says:

        So did you get a Bolt?

        1. Gazz says:

          No, the Bolt is not coming to the UK nor is the Ampera-e. GM also have a habit of planned obsolescence that keeps you buying more.

    2. Brandon says:

      Gazz, it can easily be seen in the pictures in this article and other spy pictures what the new LEAF looks like. It’s definitely a hatchback.

  12. mn says:

    Good, because in the south if you go to a grocery parking lot these days you will find dozens of ICE cars running with A/c’s cycling, while the owners are shopping for 15 to 30 minutes, that could make things even worse?

    During the holidays even kids could be accompanying their parents could the exhaust affect them.

  13. Benz says:

    The Tesla Model 3 will have to compete against other car models in the D segment, like the Mercedes Benz C-Class.

    Daimler has sold approximately 425,000 copies of the Mercedes Benz C-Class in 2016.

    If we would add up all the sales numbers of all the car models of all the car manufacturers in the D segment, we would get a total number higher than 10 million cars sold in 1 year, I presume.

    That is a very big pool of potential customers.

    The Tesla Model S and the Tesla Model X are competing in a much smaller pool of potential customers.

  14. Longvsshort says:

    GM has played this masterfully. Bragging rights to the first “high range, average price” EV, selling in lowish (but still record-breaking sales for an EV at the six-month mark) numbers, wait for the competition (M3,Leaf 2) to arrive and dissappoint somewhat. After which production of the Bolt is ramped up while price is lowered.

    1. Jim Bo says:

      Yes, GM has the ability to quickly adjust price. A big strategic advantage to getting product out there first.

      1. La Frennia di Mamata says:

        Lower the price, give them away , it’s tax payer money so GM don’t care, Lose more Money , go Chapter 11 go to Government get more free tax payer monies.& & & REPEAT!!!……UNLIKE TESLA WHO PAID THEIR LOAN IN ADVANCE, IN FULL, WITH INTEREST.

    2. ffbj says:

      Right. That’s why they shut down production of the Bolt. That was a master move.

      1. La Frennia di Mamata says:

        No demand for an Overpriced little car, no value for the money spent , even after rebates.

        1. DJ says:

          Funny. I am sure many can say the same thing about the Model 3…

          This car is more about function over style. For those people who need that function over trying to make up for some of their own inadequicies it could be a very good option.

          Wouldn’t expect you to get that though. No matter what they make unless its got a Tesla badge on it you will whine about it.

      2. Bill says:

        Another web site is quoting a source claiming to be a GM employee saying the Orion plant shut-down inmpart was extended to rearrange to line to produce a 1:1 ratio of Bolt and Sonic. It was a 1:2 ratio before. Note the Sonic is one of the Chevys potentially on the chopping block.

        The question is: was thst so GM could make more Bolts, or was it to make fewer Sonics? Well, it could be a little of both options.

        GM was originally saying they planned to sell about 25,000 Bolts a year, but they’re moving at about half that rate for the first seven months of 2017. Meanwhile, unsold Bolts have piled up at some east and west coast US dealers while being completely unavailable in the midwest. Something isn’t right with the strategy. Absolutely no pre roll-out publicity to build customer anticipation, for example.

      3. JeremyK says:

        Bolt sales for July will be up or down from June? Let’s see how smart you are.

    3. Will says:

      How has GM played this masterfully? Bolt sales are well below expectations because, among other things, GM’s OWN DEALERSHIPS are actively trying to discourage people from going electric! How is that a masterful strategy?

      1. DJ says:

        I keep hearing this and maybe it’s true. I dunno, but by me they are more than happy to sell you a Volt or a Bolt…

      2. theflew says:

        Below who’s expectation? I don’t think GM has ever said what there target is. And by year end they could produce 25k-30k cars for worldwide consumption.

        1. Tom says:

          They already are at a 30,000 per year rate. Worldwide they sold about 2500 last month. Clearly it is all a scam. The only thing I saw ever from them said they had something like a 30,000 target they’d like to hit year one. But it is so long ago that number might just be an urban legend made up in non-articles where it is all pure conjecture.

  15. Adam says:

    Comparing to the second teaser image from Nissan (the instrument cluster one), the distance numbers appear to more likely be the trip odometer rather than the remaining range.

    I am also curious what the 0-100 scale on the inner ring of the speedometer corresponds to. Another battery SOC indicator?

    1. Tim Miser says:

      I agree that is a trip odometer. Remaining range would be a larger number than the odometer.

    2. evnow says:

      It is not at all clear what the mostly hidden numbers are in the 2nd teaser.

      Range seems to be the most appropriate number next to the graphic showing battery SOC, though.

  16. David Murray says:

    If the price is right, even 165 mile EV would be great. I’d give up my range extender for that sort of range because I’d essentially never have any range anxiety with even long trips across town. It’s still not enough for road-trips without an extensive charging infrastructure, but neither is the 238 miles of the Bolt EV.

    Having two battery sizes would be great. The cheaper, smaller one would allow a lower MSRP to advertise, then get people to upgrade when they come to the dealer. As long as both batteries can use the same cells (just fewer of them), then it shouldn’t cost much to keep the smaller battery pack around.

  17. Someone out there says:

    If it’s priced properly (sub $30k) a 40 kWh would make sense, as long as they also provide a 60 kWh option at a competitive price (~$35k)

    The car itself looks very good, the quirks people disliked are gone and that is probably a good thing.

  18. Benz says:

    The first question is:

    Do people even want to consider buying an EV?

    And then:

    Why would they even want to consider buying an EV (instead of an ICE)?

    What advantage will they gain by buying an EV (instead of an ICE car)?

    Which factors do play a role in this decision process?

    1. Cfttester says:

      Fun-to-drive because of low center of gravity and high torque.
      Comfort due to lack of engine noice and smell.
      Virtually zero maintenance – no oil changes etc
      Car is always ready to go. No need to warm-up or visit a gas station. On top of that car can pre-warm or pre-cool unlike ICEs.

    2. Cfttester says:

      Forgot to mention that the “gas” for EVs is about 3 times cheaper

  19. Adam says:

    Chademo? Really? I can’t believe they have changed to CCS, well at least the AC port is Type 2 for Europe.

    1. Charles says:

      I thought the same – very strange decision. I guess a lot of Nissan dealerships have Chademo only chargers?

      But still seems odd, especially as CCS Type 2 is legislated as the standard in Europe.

      1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

        Chademo is also standard in Europe as “Type 4”. Type 2 CCS may be required for funding of some chargers in some places in Europe, but it doesn’t mean that Chademo is outlawed, or that there are many CCS only chargers so far. You still need both if you want to provide charging to random cars on road.

        1. Seth says:

          As long as it has a Type 2 socket it is basically legit, it doesn’t say anything about other sockets.

          They did not mandate CCS for fast charging, assuming that they would automatically go for Type 2 Combo instead of Type 2 and ChaDEmo.

    2. Mark says:

      I can’t agree more. As it’s Chademo I guess maximum charging speed is 50 kW? Very disappointing.

      1. mustang_sallad says:

        Not necessarily, the Chademo association released plans to increase charging rates all the way up to 300kW, eventually, much like CCS. But the bigger problem here is that I can’t think of any other significant EV coming down the pipeline that’ll use Chademo, so at this point, Nissan is needlessly keeping the standards battle alive, bumping up infrastructure costs and keeping things confusing for mainstream buyers. I can’t blame them for including Chademo, but they should have squeezed some DC pins under the AC socket.

  20. Kevin C. says:

    Does this make the Big Show debut in September and hit the dealerships in October?

    1. William says:

      They start making them in October and get them to dealers in Nov.-Dec. depending on the first delivery rollouts to states/dealerships.

      1. leafowner says:

        If they are lucky – they will get some “I can’t get my Tesla for 1+years ” sales…..

  21. lo says:

    What are “PPD cars”? (=mules?)
    What does “PPD” stand for?

    1. William says:

      Pro Pilot Driver Assist. Nissan semi-autonomous driver acceleration, braking, steering, in single lane highway functions.

  22. Mil says:

    40kWh (even as a base model) is so disappointing. I can’t believe Nissan have had a jump on other car manufacturers for years yet they have thrown this away by not evolving fast enough. The only real advantage they have is their ability to make the car more available before Model 3 gets a chance to ramp up. Once Model 3 can sell around 3k of cars in a specific region, I can’t see Nissan selling any of these new Leaf cars.

    1. Davek says:

      …except to non-Tesla-fanbois who value function over a badge.

      I like Tesla and I wish them all the best, but I just wish they would make a simple car with a bit of utility instead of trying to wow us with stupid doors that don`t work half the time or cars with letterbox trunk openings. When they build a M3 wagon, we can talk. Until then, I will remain deeply appreciative of the pressure they`re bringing to bear on the established automakers, but from a distance.

  23. Apkungen says:

    If it’s the normal guess o it all depends of how the car has been driving earlier. 265km could be a 60kWh battery if it has been driving 75 mph 120km/h on the highway but it could also be 40kwh if it has been driving really efficient in the city. I’m guessing that it is a 45kwh battery that has a usable output of 40kwh like the renault zoe and that this leaf actually is slightly more efficient than the zoe, especially at higher speed. I really really hope for 100kw charging for the 40kwh and 150kw charging for the 60kwh battery!!

  24. leafowner says:

    If Nissan really sticks with 165 mile, 40 kWh product — it better start at well below $30k (maybe around $25k) or they will not sell any of them. If they think they will get many sales near the Tesla price they are dreaming….

  25. NeilBlanchard says:

    How do we know that isn’t the trip odometer?

    1. Davek says:

      I think it would make sense that everything we see below the full width of the yellow warning box would have to do with the charge and range. Lots of cars only have one display for trip and odometer and you have to page through them to see the different numbers.

      Also see my comment below…

      1. Terawatt says:

        A-ha! So, to be slightly clearer, “we don’t”.

  26. Davek says:

    Here’s a thought: What’s with the big gap between the right end of the supposedly fully charged battery and the numerical remaining range? Could that actually be 69% that we’re seeing? That would work, proportion-wise, to mean that at 99% or 100% the charge-o-meter would span the full width between the numerical percentage and the GOM…

    That would mean that we’re probably looking at a ~60kWh car with 384 km of range! Importantly exactly one km more than the Bolt 🙂

    1. Leaf says:

      or it says 89% and with 300km range. would still be possible for a 40kwh battery depending on the driving.

      1. Terawatt says:

        You guys are turning into GOMs yourself, and you’re now guessing nearly as wildly as it does…

        1. Davek says:

          Oh if we’re going to get nerdy, let’s get REALLY nerdy:

          I’ve measured the existing bar and the space that I figure is available and come up with something around 65% charge showing. Zooming in on the picture doesn’t really help resolve the percentage number, so it could be 59% (which would be amazing), 69% or anything in between. I do NOT, however, think that the 265km range that we’re seeing represents the range on a full battery. Unless Nissan is in the habit of seriously wasting screen real estate. Being a prototype, the GOM could also just be WILDLY out of calibration, making most of the discussion here moot. But hey, when has that ever stopped us before?

  27. Terawatt says:

    I love how people try to “calculate” anything at all based on some digits from a LEAF guess-o-meter.

    Even if it is range that is shown (we don’t really know) and it’s fully charged (we don’t really know) AND it’s EPA and not some Nissan-units that make relativity look bloody absolute (we don’t know) I don’t see why anyone would conclude “yes, sure, this means it has a 40 kWh battery”. Wtf kinda logic is that?

    Useable energy up 30%, range up 60%, is that you the “math” you guys are referring to when you “calculate” these things..?!?

  28. Jose says:

    If the price is going to be less than $33,000, I’ll take one please. With 40 KW battery in city driving you can ge near the 200 miles of range on a charge.

  29. Roy_H says:

    Did he pull the cover off?? If someone pulled the cover off my car and started pawing around opening doors etc, I’d be a little more than pissed off!

  30. Victor says:

    165 miles on a full charge is very disappointing. I used-to own a 2012 Nissan Leaf and the estimator was very inaccurate.
    Onder real life driving conditions that 165 miles per charge might be only 145 miles per charge.

  31. Victor says:

    (Correction) Under real-life driving conditions, that 165 might be only 145 miles per charge.

  32. Chad says:

    The range will be approximately 285 miles. Go to Nissan USA and view their 2018 screenshots. They clearly show 225miles on odometer with 60miles range remaining

  33. ggpa says:

    I guess that Leaf 2.0 comes with different battery sizes. This might be 40kWh

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