Next-Gen Nissan Juke To Get Range Extender

2 years ago by Mark Kane 43

Nissan Gripz Concept

Nissan Gripz Concept

Nissan Juke after he learned that he will be electrified

Nissan Juke after he learned that he will be electrified

Australian motoring.com.au explored the future Nissan plug-in hybrid – the series hybrid “Pure Drive e-Power“.

The first likely candidate reported to get the Nissan LEAF motor and a small gasoline range-extending engine might just be the Nissan Juke crossover.

In fact, the next-gen Nissan Juke design will likely be neuteredheavily toned down” from the Gripz concept (pictured above).

We should find out exactly what is coming soon in the new year, and likely see the production model on the market in late 2016 or 2017.

Source: motoring.com.au

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43 responses to "Next-Gen Nissan Juke To Get Range Extender"

  1. Anon says:

    Just make BEVs…

    1. John says:

      Not practical until battery tech and fast charging gets there. Two nights ago I had to drive (unexpectedly and for an emergency) over 300 miles in blinding rain and high winds. My Volt, which normally gets 35+ mpg on the highway, averaged 14mpg. Even with a solid fast charging network and much larger battery, without a range extender, an EV wouldn’t go far in bad weather.

      Other than that, I do well over 90% of my driving in EV mode. A small range extender is a good alternative while the tech improves.

      1. BraveLilToaster says:

        And how exactly do you expect a DCFC network to spring out of the ground if everyone who has an “EV” (I use the term loosely if you have a gas backup) can “just burn gas” if they need to go longer distances?

        The only way that’s going to happen is if EV drivers are demanding that they *need* infrastructure to get to where they’re going.

        Otherwise, we’ll never get off gas. We’ll be forever using it as a “backup” to drive longer distances.

        1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

          Gas stations are not going anywhere any time soon with or without quick (if half an hour minimum is quick) charging network anyway. So what is the point make some religion out of 10% of driving. First you need to wait until battery research improves energy density and price 2-3 times, then wait until automakers will settle on single open charging standard instead of 5 or 6 or more, and only after that you may push to build something.

          1. Anon says:

            An environmental mandate has absolutely nothing to do with “religion”. False equvalency arguments are specifically crafted to delay action to correct current climate issues. Nice try.

            Delaying implementing BEVs, whle promoting hybrids, slows technological development and distirbution of cleaner, fully electric drivetrains. Range extenders are filthy crutches that justify the continuation of burning hydrocarbons for transport and reduce the pressure to evolve and implement large economies of scale for EV batteries. OPEC loves hybrids for these reasons.

  2. Josh says:

    The Juke is a little on the small side. Hope they spread the drivetrain to some of their more popular SUVs.

    1. kosee says:

      We rented it once and my wife said that she didn’t fit in the back (not enough headroom). The juke is only comfortable for the front passengers and perhaps for kids in the back. Don’t think that this car is ok for four/five adults.

      We were wondering why people bought an SUV type (CUV I guess..) vehicle with not enough headroom in the back. So we checked what this car costs new.. about 20000 euros! So it’s like a compromise buy.

      So all together the juke with a range extender might be a hit of they manage to keep the price low. If it’ll cost more then the Leaf this isn’t going to work.

      1. wavelet says:

        Yes, Juke is a really bad choice for EVification, IMO. Crowded and uncomfortable in the backseat, barely any luggage space because of the exterior design. Also, I think it’s one of the most ugly vehicles ever made (yes, uglier than the Aztec).

        The Rogue is a North America-only vehicle, so not a good candidate for a global candidate, but even if it wasn’t, it’s big enough (almost like the Murano) that it would probably need a Tesla-size battery pack.
        A better candidate would be the Qashqai (not sold in North America, but should be; based on the same platform as the rogue).
        https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/Nissan-Qashqai-Dimensions-904

        1. Anton Wahlman says:

          Actually the Rogue is sold outside the US — under the name “X-Trail.”

    2. Scramjett says:

      Agreed! Love to see a range extender in the Rogue and Pathfinder. Especially if it has 1st Gen Volt-like range! If Nissan were to announce a PHEV/EREV Pathfinder, I would be like “shut up and take my money!”

      1. Josh Bryant says:

        I am right with you. My wife is currently driving a Pathfinder (baby hauling machine). I would have higher expectations though. Give me 30 kWh battery with a 2.5 I4 REX and maybe some better cabin tech (WiFi, CarPlay, etc.). I would gladly pay $40k – $50k for that.

  3. ggpa says:

    I hope at some time they also add some more horsepower. The 107hp Leaf engine was a great start, but the car will be a lot for fun, even if they only add another 20 or 30! The great thing about electric motors is that this can be achieved with zero (or minimal) impact to EPA range.

    1. Scramjett says:

      I don’t disagree with you, but they may be opting for a Leaf motor for two reasons:

      1) It’s an off-the-shelf part that will save them money from having to source/develop a different motor.

      2) A larger motor would impact their battery design or the range of the vehicle.

      That second point might be less of an issue since even a 107 hp would be unlikely to run flat out all the time, but generally, the larger the current draw, the less range you have in the battery and/or the bigger the battery you would need so that the higher draw won’t impact range.

      1. ggpa says:

        Sure, I understand the “off the shelf” argument.

        Regarding range, it depends on the actual power used. I was careful to say “EPA range” will be same or minor change.

        On Tesla the range drops about 5% if you go from S85 to P85+, which roughly doubles the horsepower. What if the horsepower only grew by 25%?

        1. Scramjett says:

          Yes, I did mention the second point was less of an issue. 🙂

          I’d have to crunch the numbers (and to be honest, I probably won’t) but I do believe you’re right that a 25% increase in HP won’t translate to a significant drop in EPA range (likely for reasons I stated above).

          However, the engineers that design the system may have other concerns (footprint within the chassis comes to mind) with an up-rated motor.

      2. Josh says:

        What about 2 Leaf motors? Either left/right independent or front/rear independent.

        1. Scramjett says:

          That is an interesting idea, especially for something like the Pathfinder. It would certainly blow the doors off of the Outlander’s dual 80 HP motors. I am definitely a fan of dual electric motors for AWD and I would hope Nissan would implement a dual motor AWD in their PHEV SUVs.

    2. Two points …
      1. The LEAF and other EVs use a “motor” and do not have an engine.
      2. Power created by an EV is often limited by the “inverter” not the motor.

      FYI: in an EV the inverter is what converts energy into a useful form (AC vs DC) and the motor converts energy into torque … somewhat like a transmission does for an ICE power train. (ICE makes HP, transmission converts HP to torque).

      1. Scramjett says:

        On your second point, that may be technically true, but all motors have a rated power output. Either that or I wasted untold hours studying my hydraulic and fan motor power charts when I took the PE exam.

      2. ggpa says:

        Brian

        You are correct. On an EV the battery and motor and electronics create a chain, limited by the weakest link. I assume the electronics in Leaf supports 107hp, but not much more.

        I guess the new 30kWh battery (if the C rating stayed the same) should be good for 25% more power, and that Nissan updates their electronics and motor to match that.

      3. ModernMarvelFan says:

        “2. Power created by an EV is often limited by the “inverter” not the motor.”

        Or battery.

        But all three can be limitation depending on the cooling and power handling factor of each of the components.

        The lowest common denominator is the limiting one.

  4. Dan says:

    If you want a BEV, buy the leaf. The REX will bring in people who would otherwise not buy electric.

    1. Klaus says:

      Why not do both Rex and Bev? I am unlikely to own a vehicle with an ICE again. However, a full electric juke with AWD (I know, unlikely) and a bit more ground clearance would have me trading in my Leaf.

  5. David Murray says:

    I wish they would NOT use the Juke. The Leaf already has controversial looks, and so does the Juke. They need something more mainstream. How about a Rogue?

  6. Mark says:

    Rogue is a great size. Very versatile vehicle. Have 150km EV range plus extender for $35k or $40k, I’m in.

    1. Yeah but the Rogue is so pedestrian looking. It’s like a turkey sandwich with no cheese and no mayo. Sure it’s good for you, but does anyone really crave one?

      1. Mikael says:

        Well, it’s a very popular vehicle so obviously there are more than enough people that find the design right for them.

        It would be a great choice for a plugin. But then most cars would be a lot greater if you put a plug to them so why choose? Put one on all. 😛

  7. Vexar says:

    I think it is great that Nissan is really investing in equal opportunity employment, especially in the blind community. There are a lot of talents they would otherwise be missing. However, I do not think they should continue to let blind people design their cars like this.

  8. vdiv says:

    The Juke is built on Nissan’s B0 or now V platform, the same as the Leaf and e-NV200 so having an electric version would be easier to do at this point. The Rogue is on their C platform.

    1. Scramjett says:

      Ah, I did not know that. That’s disappointing. Guess I’ll just stick with the Outlander; more spacious and better looking.

      1. vdiv says:

        Met someone in Richmond, VA during NDEW this year who had swapped the stock wheels on their Leaf S with alloys from a Juke and it looked really good. The owner said he did not experience any noticeable range loss as a result.

  9. Stuart22 says:

    Nissan going PHEV? Looks like Ghosn’s big promises of conquering the world with 100% electric LEAFs are shifting away. I can’t imagine Elon Musk doing this – perhaps Ghosn’s power and influence has slipped.

    1. Scramjett says:

      Oh I don’t know. It could be that Carlos is looking at PHEVs/EREVs as a transition vehicle. Keep in mind that he considers FCVs as part of his “100% electric” mandate. If his FCVs are to be plug-ins, then these could be viewed as a bridging technology to Nissan plug-in FCVs.

      Side Note: I’m no great fan of FCVs, but it’s a helluva lot better than a FCV with NO plug. That just makes absolutely no sense.

    2. It’s not a hybrid. The engine does not move the wheels.

      1. Stuart22 says:

        Whether the wheels are driven or not driven is irrelevant – burning gasoline is still done. A fact that cannot be ignored by rationalizations that make no sense.

      2. ModernMarvelFan says:

        “It’s not a hybrid. The engine does not move the wheels.”

        Moving the wheels has NOTHING to do with the definition of “hybrid” as many of the EV supporters have been wrongly stated…

        Series-hybrid don’t have to have any connection to the wheel.

        This is the direct result of Prius “polluting” the common understanding or misunderstanding of the word “hybrid”.

  10. Alan says:

    Surely getting people used to a plug is a good thing without the range anxiety ?

    Having owned an Outlander PHEV for 8 months it has only confirmed to me that as soon as BEV’s hit the magic 200 miles I will gladly make the transition to all battery.

    1. Scramjett says:

      OT: How do you like your Outlander PHEV? Any concerns about it being from Mitsubishi (here in the States, Mitsubishi has kind of a negative reputation).

      I’m looking at possibly getting one when they arrive in the US in Spring.

    2. BraveLilToaster says:

      Yes, I’ve noticed that most hybrids are an awful compromise between a weak-ass electric motor and a weak-ass gas motor. Going all electric is a surprising kick in the pants in comparison.

      1. Anon says:

        +1

        Well said.

      2. ModernMarvelFan says:

        “Yes, I’ve noticed that most hybrids are an awful compromise between a weak-ass electric motor and a weak-ass gas motor. Going all electric is a surprising kick in the pants in comparison.”

        Yes, I have noticed that most BEVs are an aweful compromise between a weak-ass performance and a super expensive price. Going all electric is a surprising compromise in today’s poorly constructed EV infrastructure world.

  11. Pete says:

    For some people PHEV makes sense, if they often change their living place and have unsure charging infrastructure. Hope they will also offer a Juke BEV with 40 kWh and later a Roque with 60 kWh!

  12. Just_Chris says:

    Pathfinder, cash-Kai, x-trail and juke all need a leaf pack and 1 or 2 leaf motors plus Rex – I am still gutted that the new pathfinder hybrid has a lithium pack but no plug, Nissan could be battling Mitsubishi right now but instead we are left waiting, again. 24 kWh packs would be great for SUV phev’s. We need a 60 kWh leaf and a whole heap of decent fast charge capable phev’s.