New York State Now Home To 10,000 Plug-In Electric Vehicles

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In a recent news release on charging station installation in the state of New York, the New York Power Authority revealed the following information related to plug-in electric vehicles (and total number of charging stations) statewide:

“Since Charge NY was launched, nearly 500 EV charging stations have been added in New York, bringing the current total number in the state to approximately 1,000. This puts the state well within reach of the Charge NY goal of adding up to 3,000 EV charging stations by 2018. Under Charge NY, the number of electric vehicles in New York has risen from 1,000 in early 2012, to more than 10,000 plug-in vehicles on the road today.”

10,000 is certainly a respectable figure, but with more than 100,000 on its roads, California leads the nation.

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17 responses to "New York State Now Home To 10,000 Plug-In Electric Vehicles"

  1. ClarksonCote says:

    Nice! I wish they’d provide a breakdown. They have a DMV database, but it is sorely out-dated, and seems to reflect more recent numbers for some vehicles than others.

    1. Bill Howland says:

      Too bad the only listed ‘public charger’ on the NYS Thruway system is an old existing 120 volt outlet next to the Sunoco Gas station at the Clarence Center rest stop.

      In other news, I suppose Jay will have an article about this sooner or later, the BIG NEWS is now all California 1 and 2 families with attached garages, and also 3% of public parking spaces in multifamily dwellings will require 1″ conduit, and 50 amps (40 cont) additional main service capacity.

      They are listing the additional expense as being ‘under $50’, when their own analysis says $53, and that’s allowing a WHOPPING 15 MINUTES for the electrician to throw it up.

      As I read the requirement, this conduit has to go all the way back to the service panel, not just around any obstruction. They also figure in only 1 – 10 foot straight run of pipe without any additional mounting, fittings or bends. I would doubt that electricians in california of all places are quite this productive. Heaven forbid if they actually have to MOUNT the pipe or do something like put it through a stud. Or many studs. The 1″ emt will allow up to “model S double charger” capability.

      While this is not something to get upset over, (locales always have more and more demands over the years, something not to single out california with, and the ‘prewire cost’ is indeed low, although I’d budget more like $200 for the prewire, and $100-$200 for the increased service entrance; and certainly not 15 minutes for the electrician’s work.

      The end result will be homes that would have a 100 amp service will now be 150, 150 will be 200, 200 will be 300, and 300 will be 400. I have no big complaint about this, since anything 200 or less is cheap, and anyone who needs 200 amps prior to the requirement is Rich to begin with.

      I just wish they were a little more honest with the construction cost figures.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        “As I read the requirement, this conduit has to go all the way back to the service panel, not just around any obstruction. They also figure in only 1 – 10 foot straight run of pipe without any additional mounting, fittings or bends. I would doubt that electricians in california of all places are quite this productive”

        Bill, it is actually very likely. Most of that requirement is aimed at new constructions. Just about every homes in CA I see have the service panels on the side of the Garage. That basically means you only need to “poke a hole” in the wall behind the panel to get the wires into the Garage.

        you are right that a junction box is typically installed and maybe 15 feet of conduits instead of 1′ to 10′. But that is typically what they mean. Of course, that usually means it is only to one side of the garage. Also, many of the cars today have their charging port on the drivers side or near the rear, so it is perfectly okay if they don’t install a long conduit.

        Again, I am sure there are exceptions, but most of the garages (especially the new ones) fits that description.

        1. Bill Howland says:

          Well, the Pacific area in the states has their own (to my mind weird) “Western” electrical requirements, and in Southern California many service and branch circuits seem to be installed outside the building. Its too cold in most of the country for that to be practicable everywhere.

          We too have cheap houses where the sole service panel is in the garage, mostly due to NY State’s dopey URD requirements for 5 or more houses and most utility’s dopier still expensive implementation of it (National Grid used to complain about underground installations costing SIX TIMES the amount of an overhead installation, but their idea of ‘throwing money at a problem’ seems to me to be 3x overpriced – in other words they should be able to do this for twice the cost at most to my mind).

          But around here, there aren’t universal garage installations in New Home contruction.. Its normally only the cheap cookie cutter things. But again, I’m here and you’re there.

          I would guess NY State will at some point implement the same rule. Hopefully we won’t also require a Hydrogen Compressor in every new build which seems to be next for California since your gov’t loves Hydrogen so much. Incidentally, neither Californians nor electricity short Japanese love FCV’s. Only your gov’ts love Hydrogen. So it will be interesting to see how much hydrogen is shoved down your collective throats.

          Fortunately, they haven’t found out about crony capitalist hydrogen plans here in NY State yet.

          1. Bill Howland says:

            As far as nationwide requirements, the 2014 NEC requires a separate 20 amp 120 volt dedicated outlet for each garage stahl in a single family home.

          2. ModernMarvelFan says:

            Actually I found California panels to be strange. Growing up in the South and East, most of the homes have their panels inside the Garage or inside the basement somewhere… You don’t have to go outside in the rain/snow to access it.

            But I guess since California weathers are mild, it is not a big deal to have it outside. I also don’t like the idea that anyone can mess with my panels outside of my house ( I guess I can put a lock on it..)

            Yes, I don’t like H2 and how CA is supporting it. But I guess CARB is very close to Toyota and Honda. If they are lobbying for it, then CARB will allow it. After all, CARB doesn’t care what kind of technology it is, as long as it has zero emission at the tailpipe…

  2. Spec9 says:

    Not bad, New York. You are still just at 1/10th number in California but you are making progress. You should mandate that all new parking spaces for apartments and condos be prewired for EV chargers and then your sales will grow much faster. (All that is needed is conduit from a panel to the parking place, no need for the wire, breaker, or EVSE. Let the EV owner pay for those.)

    1. That is exactly the law they passed in NY earlier in the year Spec9. However it’s not all new parking spaces. The law requires 20% of all new parking spaces to have the conduit and electric capacity reserved for adding the EVSE when they need to.
      I testified on behalf of Mayor Bloomberg’s office in support of the bill and it was even covered here.

      1. Bill Howland says:

        I assume you mean NY City only.

        1. Yes Bill you are correct. I should have definitely specified that. 🙂

      2. sven says:

        “The law requires 20% of all new parking spaces to have the conduit and electric capacity reserved for adding the EVSE when they need to.”

        That’s not exactly true. The NYC law has some BIG exceptions.

        First, the law’s full requirements apply only to outdoor parking lots. Parking garages are not required to install any wiring, panelboards, switchboards, or conduit to parking spaces. Parking garages must install only a raceway/conduit without wiring to the garage.

        Second, all “merchant parking” is excluded under the law (merchant parking = malls, stores, restaurants, supermarkets, etc.). Only residential and office building parking lot/garages are covered by this law.

        The full text of the law can be found at this link:

        http://legistar.council.nyc.gov/View.ashx?M=F&ID=2742985&GUID=213BB9B6-B442-409E-876D-AED419DDC04B

        1. Yes Sven, but with garages it is very easy to run the conduit at any time later without gret expense.

          The biggest hurdles to installing public charging in existing parking facilitates in NYC are: 1)The cost of trenching to get the electricity to the parking spaces – that isn’t a problem in garages where the conduit can be run rather inexpensively and 2) The lack of electric capacity. The EVSE’s simply can’t be added because there isn’t any room in the service panels or extra capacity in the service feed. This law addresses both of those problems. It doesn’t do everything, but it does help remove the two biggest hurdles facing the many public parking facilities in NYC today.

      3. Spec9 says:

        Excellent. Now add a law that allows apartment/condo dwellers to install an EVSE at their own expense. With the pre-conduit, it will be cheap for people to add an EVSE. So this will open up EVs for people that rent.

  3. Brian says:

    The ChargeNY.com logo given is for the website which is a community-run forum. It is not affiliated with the Charge NY initiative referenced underneath it. The forum took the domain name before the initiative was even announced!

  4. Brian says:

    As has become the trend over the past few decades, NYS has gone from a leader to a close follower. We tend to follow CA sooner or later, usually sooner than this.

    What we really need to do is electrify the thruway. Put in CHAdeMO/CCS quick chargers at every rest stop (there are 27 full-service travel plazas between NYC and Buffalo).

    http://www.thruway.ny.gov/travelers/travelplazas/index.html

  5. Bonaire says:

    NY would have more plug in cars if there were more public plug-in locations to charge. Just feet away from the Nikola Tesla statue on the American side of Niagara Falls at Goat Island, there are two EVSEs that some people complain about not working, being ICEd and more. Niagara Falls, site of the first major AC generating plant, has very few public charging sites. Well, the US side in NY has few – Canada has more at the hotels and in other spots.

    Buffalo now boasts to be the future site of Solar City’s solar module manufacturing plant. Yet very few public plugin sites to be found around the city.

    NY has the NYSERDA program and they even pay for half of funding of a site should monies be collected in the form of donations. However, new sites simply are too slow in being sited and this means people are more reluctant to buy EVs or EREVs. I’ve seen a few Volts around western NY – but surely not enough for what could be. Cheap electricity (well, somewhat cheap but National Grid could do better) and higher than average gasoline prices would make plug-ins a good buy for the Buffalo/Niagara area where “everything is 20 minutes away”. Volts are perfect vehicles for the area, as are Leafs and so on.

  6. Bill Howland says:

    Our current governor’s dad ruined the cheap electric situation in upstate ny. If there’s any interest I’ll elaborate.