New Flyer Electric Bus Completes 1,150-Mile Demonstration In Florida

2 years ago by Mark Kane 33

New Flyer Electric Bus

New Flyer Electric Bus

New Flyer Industries electric bus at fast charging station

New Flyer electric bus at a fast charging station

New Flyer recently completed a two-week in-service demonstration with Miami-Dade Transit of the XE40 electric transit bus.

According to the press release, average energy usage over the total 1,150 miles (with over 1,800 passenger rides on 11 different service routes) stands at just 1.6 kWh per mile (or nearly exactly 1 kWh per km). For fleet managers, probably more understandable will be 23.8 diesel equivalent miles per gallon.

Whether it’s enough to receive orders for electric buses in Miami, only time will tell.

The Xcelsior battery-electric bus features a Siemens electric drive system and proven electric subsystems with unique electric drive motor technology permitting the bus to reduce the energy consumed while driving, and increase the energy recovered during braking. The all-electric propulsion system provides:
• Zero tailpipe emissions and greenhouse gases
• Reduced noise inside and outside the bus
• Increased operator and passenger comfort
• Lower operating costs

As with all New Flyer buses, the Xcelsior XE40 battery-electric bus is delivered with New Flyer’s commitment to lifetime customer care, including a comprehensive product warranty, maintenance and operations training, spare parts and an extensive network of in-service support professionals.

Paul Soubry, President and Chief Executive Officer of New Flyer said:

“We are very excited by the favorable feedback we received from Miami-Dade County and the community transit riders. New Flyer is exceptionally proud of our long-history of building best in class buses and the XE40 battery-electric bus is a natural next evolution of our tried and true Xcelsior platform.”

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33 responses to "New Flyer Electric Bus Completes 1,150-Mile Demonstration In Florida"

  1. Heisenberght says:

    This is a punch into the face of all the naysayers…

    1. SJC says:

      “1.6 kWh per mile…”
      This is good, others are more than 2 kWh.
      “23.8 diesel equivalent miles per gallon..”
      This is misleading, power plants are about 40% efficient.

      1. martinwinlow says:

        “This is misleading, power plants are about 40% efficient.” Not to me it isn’t.

        What is misleading is wether the article author means diesel cost equivalent or energy equivalent Such a reference usually means the cost of the electricity used converted into current diesel costs and then converted to a typical mpg for a similar vehicle. But it is the current bit that makes it un-helpful due to fluctuating fuel prices.

        1. SJC says:

          Energy equivalent is the number that does not change when oil prices go up or down.

  2. James says:

    At 13 cents per kW, it would be roughly 21 cents/mile, meaning it would be around 40% cheaper than diesel at today’s prices. Those are pretty big numbers, and will only get bigger as gas prices inevitably go up. Sadly, Florida’s grid is unnecessarily dirty thanks to their continued fight against solar.

    1. miggy says:

      or 13 cents per km as it runs at 1 kWh per km.

    2. Big Solar says:

      yes, the solar fight here is completely insane. I may leave the state over it.

    3. Hi James City’s and county’s pay less for power then civilian company’s do Brevard county Florida pays $0.08 cents per KWH At Cape Canaveral rocket base Florida They pay $0.06

  3. Kevin C. says:

    You know, someday, the Republican talking heads will be all over the Solar/EV bandwagon and they will blame the Dems and Libs and Greens for getting in the way of progress.
    Huh? Wait…What just happened?

    1. super390 says:

      Ted Cruz is spreading conspiracy theories against cities. He’s educating his followers about Agenda 21, the evil United Nations plot to herd all good Americans against their will into communistic hive-cities.
      If you know how these guys operate, you know that’s really a non-racist cover for hating on cities and the types of Americans who stereotypically live in them. The cities are full of lazy welfare traitors plotting to destroy real America. So while that myth works out its life cycle before it gets replaced by even worse myths (it will) you can forget about any Tea Party support for mass transit at the state or Federal level.

  4. Breezy says:

    This will never happen. The incumbent bus makers are addicted to their archaic diesel burning business model.

    Electric buses have fewer moving parts and require less maintenance, so New Flyer won’t be able to make money from maintenance and operations training, spare parts and an extensive network of in-service support professionals.

    And electric city buses will never be successful without a network of fast chargers spread out along interstates.

    1. Breezy, wait! Isn’t New Flyer one of those incumbents? “The incumbent bus makers are addicted to their archaic diesel burning business model.”

      Also, why would city buses worry about interstates “electric city buses will never be successful without a network of fast chargers spread out along interstates.”? Maybe you meant ‘Inter-City Buses’ instead? City Buses, are Local Transit, or In City use.

      And I guess you missed the story about the new Electric Bus that drove Melborn-Sydney in Australia, 1,000+ Kms, on one charge? (600 miles, or about 2x as far as a Tesla Model S, at highway speeds)

      Also, full Electric Motor Homes have been built with at least 400 Kms Range per charge!

      1. super390 says:

        It depends on the route. Houston Metro has to run a lot of highway routes due to Houston being over 500 square miles with a long extension to NASA (allowed under TX annexation rules). So it bought huge cross-country buses for those, which choke up downtown during rush hour.
        But those routes have a completely different fare schedule and no one wants to use them for short rides.
        The regular buses could easily be replaced with electrics. Most of those are diesel hybrids now. Many have natural gas tanks on the roof. They’re nice, but I bet they’re not cheap.

        1. Texas & Colorado electric bills are some of the highest in the country. In Florida County’s and City’s $0.06 to $0.08 KWH

      2. Breezy says:

        New Flyer is one of those incumbents.

        This is just another compliance bus.

  5. Leaf Owner says:

    I’ve always thought route type vehicles were prime for Electrification. How about those stinky, noisy mail trucks next!

    1. Heisenberght says:

      Deutsche Post chose not to wait for big auto to finally offer them something useful and instead bought street scooter. They now produce their own delivery tucks…

      Hint: still waiting for an inside ev article on that. To my best knowledge they already produced quite a lot…

  6. Ziv says:

    Just as a comparison, China has 500,000 public buses, of which 80,000 were electric last year. And they are adding buses quickly, with 20,000 being built in the last 6 months.
    And Miami’s test of 1 electric bus is headline news on Insideevs.

    http://cleantechnica.com/2015/11/26/electric-bus-adoption-taking-off-china/

    1. super390 says:

      My God. That article says that Chinese buses using ultracapacitors are already in production. No one’s even driving cars with those yet.

    2. Daniel says:

      Surprising comparison. I can’t understand why Florida is so behind. Maybe they are transitioning to CNG first?.

      1. SJC says:

        “APTA statistics for 2014 show that 16.9% of public transit buses were hybrid-electric. Coming in a close second, public transit systems report that 16.7% of U.S. transit buses used compressed natural gas (CNG), liquefied natural gas (LNG) and blends.”
        http://www.metro-magazine.com/sustainability/news/293950/41-of-u-s-public-transit-buses-use-alt-fuels-hybrid-technology

  7. Aaron says:

    This large bus gets TWICE the fuel economy of a regular pickup truck. That’s just amazing… and wonderful.

    1. SJC says:

      Now take into account the energy required to produce the electricity. Refineries are more than 80% efficient, power plants are 40% on average.

      1. super390 says:

        A lot of coal plants are closing. I don’t see any evidence that refineries will get more efficient soon, with the entire industry being squeezed hard. Independent refineries will neglect maintenance and updates to hold off the inevitable.

        And now that you mention it, how much electricity does it take a refinery to make a gallon of gasoline?

      2. Heisenberght says:

        “refineries are 80% efficient”

        Haha haha haha haha! In your dreams… Haha haha… Ever bothered to check those “numbers” ? This is complete nonsense.

        Sorry for being rude but I doubt you can explain what this “efficiency” even means…

        1. SJC says:

          Those are the numbers the industry uses. Your rudeness must come from ignorance, you never searched “refinery efficiency”
          “Argonne concluded an average petroleum refinery efficiency of 88%.”
          https://greet.es.anl.gov/files/hl9mw9i7

    2. sven says:

      “TWICE the fuel economy of a regular pickup truck.”

      Really? The bus gets “23.8 diesel equivalent miles per gallon,” while a 2016 Chevrolet Colorado diesel pickup truck gets 25 MPG combined, 22 MPG city, and 31 MPG highway.

      http://fueleconomy.gov/m/m.do?action=vehicles&id=37118

  8. John says:

    This is a winner by almost any metric, whether financial, energy efficiency, cleanliness (or at least less dirty), etc.

    Route vehicles are ripe for electrification. Charging infrastructure can be centralized at hubs rather than spread out, and the cost savings can be huge. Here in California’s San Joaquin Valley, UPS is running about 100 BEV delivery trucks. I see them almost every day. It’s still experimental but it seems to be working well.

  9. Mister G says:

    Wow I will be sending this to my county’s commission on transportation.

  10. JB says:

    I wonder why I haven’t seen news about an electric bus with solar panels on the roof? I figure you could fit a 4kW solar system up there, which would eliminate, or at least reduce, the need to recharge the bus during the day.

    1. Heisenberght says:

      There are concepts. Just google. While still being quite exotic and suffering early bird weaknesses expect this to be standard in the not too distant future…

    2. Samwise says:

      4 kilometers of range per hour is not going to eliminate very much charging… Probably less than 10% in fact.
      Probably better to merge all the solar panels you were going to put onto the buses into one large array somewhere and use it to power the fast charging (and anything else that takes your facny when that is not required, like on Sunday afternoons for example when only half the buses are running).

    3. SJC says:

      4 kW is less than 10% of what the bus uses, it might get another 10 miles range.