Musk Comments On Hyperloop From Fremont To San Francisco For Gigafactory Cost Savings

1 month ago by Mark Kane 18

Elon Musk’s latest venture, The Boring Company, seems to hitting the news almost daily after and extended period of almost no new developments.

Just after announcing verbal approval from the federal government for a New York-Philadelphia-Baltimore-DC Hyperloop, more projects are now being suggested.

The Boring Company: Boring Machine Segments

Recenly, Elon Musk was asked about the Los Angeles to San Francisco project and the answer was: that it “would be great“… but why end there? Los Angeles-San Francisco-Reno/Sparks “would be great” too.

Musk also noted that “Tesla logistics costs for Sparks-Fremont (batteries & motors) and Fremont-LA (finished cars) are gigantic.”

In the case of the east coast, no details are known, whether the tunnels will be for coaches or car-hauling electric sleds. In the case of the LA-SF route, moving “finished cars” suggests electric sleds.

More fresh news is that Hawthorne Mayor, Alex Vargas met with Elon Musk to check out the boring machine segments.  Pics of which below!

“Hawthorne support for The Boring Company much appreciated.”

 

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18 responses to "Musk Comments On Hyperloop From Fremont To San Francisco For Gigafactory Cost Savings"

  1. SJC says:

    He could use one from Reno to Fremont to transport batteries.

    1. William says:

      The added value to the cost of Reno Tesla Giggafactory batteries, would be astronomical through a Boring Company Tesla Tunnel. The in-house Tesla Fremont battery delivery charges, could be made vastly more affordable, if the Tesla Semi Tractor Trailer Network gets up and running first this Century.

      1. SJC says:

        None of the hyperloop ideas pay off. Cargo and people can not bring in enough revenue to pay back $100 million per mile, which is what it will really cost.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          That reads like what people said about the Brooklyn Bridge, when it was being built.

          And the first trans-Atlantic telegraph cable.

          And the Panama Canal.

          Thank goodness we have visionaries like Elon Musk! Time to Think Big again, regarding mega-engineering projects.

          Now, it’s possible Hyperloop will forever remain an idea that doesn’t progress past the prototype stage. But clearly there are enough people interested in it for multiple companies trying to make it a reality.

          As my Grandma used to say: “‘Can’t’ never did anything.”

          1. SJC says:

            The Dc to NY is the 120 mph sleds, not Hyperloop.

        2. zzzzzzzzzz says:

          It still may be the only option in densely populated cities where there is no place for street and road expansion. Oh wait, it is already invented and called “subway”, maglev, vactrain, StarTram, whatever :/ But who cares, St. Elon invents everything much better :/

          Or it can help to raise few or few hundreds billions from gullible cheerleaders (like Pu-Pu) and corrupt politicians (like NY state), and who cares if it will be finished within budget and function as promised a decade later. Money will be long gone by then.

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            Gosh, I’ll try to bear up under the terrible burden of being called a “gullible cheerleader” by a science-denier, Tesla bashing, Big Oil shilling, “fool cell” fanboy. 🙄

            To be clear, I think it’s very unlikely these underground Hyperloop proposals will lead to anything. And for them to have any chance of success, Elon must deliver on his goal of reducing tunneling costs by at least an order of magnitude.

            But one thing is certain, zzzzzzzzzzzz: These proposals are at least possible in the engineering sense… unlike your “hydrogen economy” fantasy of cheap and practical hydrogen fuel.

    2. AlphaEdge says:

      People also between San Fran area and Reno, with cargo doing runs in between the people trains.

      1. SJC says:

        Lots of granite in the Sierras.

  2. Someone out there says:

    What would be the cost relative to putting down train tracks above ground? Digging tunnels isn’t cheap, not even for superhuman Elon Musk

    1. David Murray says:

      I’m sure tracks in the middle of the desert are cheap. But through urban areas you have to own the land. That gets expensive.

      1. SJC says:

        You have to pay easement fees under each parcel no matter what. There is plenty of evidence with subways to show that.

  3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    “In the case of the east coast, no details are known, whether the tunnels will be for coaches or car-hauling electric sleds.”

    Musk’s tweet specified “Hyperloop”, not “The Boring Co.” Furthermore, comments on the previous article pointed out rather quickly that the speed worked out to be 475-500 MPH, which fits well with the Hyperloop concept, but is far, far too fast for The Boring Co.’s slot-car type sleds, which are proposed to travel at 125 MPH.

    The Hyperloop concept uses capsules traveling at barely subsonic speed in evacuated (air removed to create a vacuum) tubes or — in this case — tunnels. Capsules can carry either passengers or freight, just like a train.

    As I understand it, The Boring Co. actually now has employees, and presumably has an office somewhere. Contrariwise, Musk farmed out the Hyperloop concept to others, so has little direct involvement… altho there is a Hyperloop test track on a SpaceX property. At any rate, it makes sense for Musk to have any Hyperloop project handled by The Boring Co., since that does have employees.

    But let us please not confuse the Hyperloop concept with The Boring Co. concept. The system being proposed is a Hyperloop system, even if Musk is now talking about using The Boring Co.’s tunnelling machines to dig tunnels for a Hyperloop system.

    “In the case of the LA-SF route, moving ‘finished cars’ suggests electric sleds.”

    Actually, it’s an idea from Musk’s “Hyperloop Alpha” proposal, which suggested carrying passenger cars aboard Hyperloop freight capsules.

    I don’t think it’s a realistic proposal, though; bullet trains don’t carry cargo, and I think the economic reality of a Hyperloop system would disfavor carrying heavy cargo even more. There is a railroad going from Reno (Gigafactory 1) to Fremont (Tesla’s and assembly plant), and that is one of the reasons the Reno location was chosen. Hyperloop would in theory have a cost per mile about equal to airline flight, and while it does pay to send some things air freight, it’s too expensive to send cars that way on a routine basis.

  4. Scott Franco says:

    Gee, if only there were a way to go 500 MPH between SF and Reno without the expense of digging a tunnel…

    1. SJC says:

      It is called a jet airplane.

  5. Ocean Railroader says:

    If Elon Musk did dig a lot of two lane wide tunnels between the Gigafactory and to several major cities in the San Fransisco LA Area.

    If the tunnels where two lanes wide and Elon could let cars and trucks go into the tunnels he could make a lot of money due to the freeways all being parking lots in that area in bad need of super widening.

  6. realistic says:

    “Just after announcing verbal approval from the federal government…”

    No such thing exists or is even possible. It’s an unimaginably nonsensical Muskism that, as an unquestioned factoid, is about as good a definition of fake news as could be conceived.

  7. Steven says:

    Living along the practical route for the East coast Boring hole, I have to ask the silly question, where will the stations be?

    Presumably, New York, Philadelphia, and Washington D.C. Will all have stations, as well as perhaps Baltimore…

    But my question is this, since it’s hard to move a hole once it’s been dug, they’re going to have to know where they want the stations to be, long before the Boring boring starts.

    Also, long term, assuming it’s successful, I wonder how it will affect Amtrak’s Northeast Corridor service. If they eventually go to Boston, that could impact ridership on the Accela line.

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