U.S Version Of Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV Won’t Get CHAdeMO

1 year ago by Mark Kane 58

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV

2016 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV

2016 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV connected to CHAdeMO

Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is finally set to be launched in U.S. in late summer and as it turns out, it will be equipped with CHAdeNO – or in other words, NO CHAdeMO inlet for fast charging.

This was revealed by Automotive News, who was present at the Outlander PHEV U.S.-spec-prototype preview on display by Mitsubishi.

There is only a SAE J1772 AC charging inlet and empty space behind the cap (unlike the Japanese and European versions).

“Why no CHAdeMO port? Ken Konieczka, vice president of sales operations at Mitsubishi Motors North America Inc., said the company decided to omit the port from the U.S. version of the crossover, even though it’s standard on the Japanese model, because there aren’t enough CHAdeMO charging stations in the U.S. to make it worth including.”

The question is whether Outlander PHEV will be CHAdeNO-always or if there will be an option to add CHAdeMO on higher trim versions.

Mitsubishi is the second most important Japanese supporter of CHAdeMO (second to Nissan) and the possible loss of faith in the standard will not be good news for CHAdeMO. On the other hand, this is a plug-in hybrid, so fast charging isn’t necessary because you always have ICE backup.

Lack of CHAdeMO chargers and high prices for fast charging (comparable to driving on gas) could prompt Mitsubishi to cut CHAdeMO and lower the price of the SUCV, which isn’t that bad.

Specs for the 2017 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV for U.S. market aren’t available yet.

Outlander PHEV Is Indeed Fast-Charge Capabale

Outlander PHEV is indeed fast-charge capabale in Japan and Europe

Source: Automotive News

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58 responses to "U.S Version Of Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV Won’t Get CHAdeMO"

  1. GrokGrok says:

    Ah, news about the ever receding Outlander PHEV. Seems pointless to have a CHAdeMO on a vehicle with such short AEV, since no on has one at home. When you run out of electrons, that’s where the gas engine takes over, you don’t look for a CHAdeMO charger.

  2. kosee says:

    Doesn’t matter. Fast charging doesn’t make much sense for this car and it’s anyway still not really fast. 80% in half an hour sounds cool. But then you can drive 30km (less then 20 miles). I think the use case for the outlander phev is only when you happen to be on a trip and want to stop somewhere to eat and exactly at that place there is a chademo or some similar situation. This is way too rare and just not how this car is used.

    Interesting if people will still want to pay money for this on a higher trim version. I sincerely doubt it. The use case is just unclear.

    1. protomech says:

      “This is way too rare and just not how this car is used.”

      In the US, I agree.

      CHAdeMO installations are much more common in Japan, where it probably is reasonable to plug in and then get a cup of tea.

      1. Richard Butler says:

        and handy in the UK where there are CHAdeMO at the motorway services, and most Ikea stores. If I have a customer to visit in the morning and another in the afternoon, when possible I try and arrange it so I can get an expensive sandwich for lunch and a free charge between customers.

        1. martinwinlow says:

          Ah, yes… but the downside for *real* EVers is that you are potentially (and this happens *a lot* these days) blocking the CHAdeMO from an EV driver who can’t simply fill up with fuel and carry on their journey. I’m sure you would not do this but, as I say, there are lots who do!

          At least US EVers will be spared the indignity! MW

          1. David Galvan says:

            ^ This.

            There are enough BEVs out there in Southern California right now that it’s not uncommon for me to half to wait in line to quick charge my Leaf at a CHAdeMO station.

            Leave the CHAdeMO ports (and stations) for the cars that really need them: BEVs.

  3. Realdb2 says:

    “We will do everything we can to make the Outlander PHEV a failure in the U.S.” -Mitsubishi

    1. heisenberght says:

      + 1

    2. Speculawyer says:

      I think all the delays have been terrible. But this is not a bad move. This reduces the cost of the vehicle and eliminates a feature that really doesn’t make much sense.

      The Chademo port adds cost to the car, it is probably very rarely used, and it it is probably not economical for the drivers to use . . . much cheaper to drive on gas than to pay for Chademo charge up.

      1. And that’s exactly what easy ownership is all about… driving on gas.

        Since all the engineering has already been done and there are many locations in the United States with quite good CHAdeMO infrastructure, they could offer this as an option.

        1. The word “easy” above should be “EV”.

    3. JP White says:

      Agreed.

      Not sure I’ll bother. I’ve been waiting for years and now this news.

  4. David says:

    They already had chademo. They’re removing it for the US. What else are they going to remove. Will it only have a 3.3 kW charger?

    Chademo makes it seem more like a real EV. Otherwise it sounds more like a hybrid or regular SUV carrying around a battery for effect.

    This car is sounding less interesting all the time, assuming it actually ever shows up.

    1. scottf200 says:

      So if they put a chademo or ccs on the Plug-in-Prius it would seem more like a real EV. Seriously flawed thinking. This car charges it’s small battery when you sleep.

  5. Leeper says:

    At first I was a little disappointed to hear the lack of chademo, but after a little thought this makes a ton of sense. Chademo in this vehicle doesn’t justify the added cost, weight, or complexity.

    1. David Murray says:

      Agreed – 20 miles of range isn’t really enough to make use of Chademo. I can assure you I’d rarely use it in a PHEV and would definitely not be a deal breaker. My only sadness comes from one less vehicle to support the standard.

    2. Nick says:

      Two words: power export.

      1. JP White says:

        Yes and Mitsubishi have a CHAdeMO power export device for that express purpose.

        If the Mirai Fool Cell vehicle can have a CHAdeMO port for power export the least Mitsubishi can do is include it.

  6. Mike I says:

    The CHAdeMO port was interesting on this vehicle because it could be used as a high power emergency power source. With a 5kW outboard inverter like the Leaf-to-Home unit or other similar units shown by companies like Honda, this would be a good low emissions source of emergency power. I would much rather spend extra money on the Outlander and the inverter than to buy a fixed installation backup generator of similar capability.

    1. Mike I says:

      Actually, if my memory serves me, I think Mitsubishi actually showed a CHAdeMO power export box. Although I seem to recall theirs was kind of wimpy at only about 1kW and only 100VAC (ie. no split phase 200VAC) for the Japan market.

      1. Sveno says:

        Technically I am sure it can be hacked and a more powerful inverter could be used.

  7. Bloggin says:

    No need for fast charging on a plug-in hybrid with less than 30 miles of range. But it will need a 6.6kW or faster onboard charger for home charging.

    1. Nah…for home charging, 3.3 kW would be fine. Many a Volt owner with a bigger AER and bigger battery only use NEMA 15 at about 1.4 kW.

      However, when at a mall or restaurent, 6.6 kW whould be more practical, and 7.2 kW or 10 kW even more so.

      Totally eliminating the CHAdeMO would be foolish, because it is not as few as there were back in 2012, and having an option to use it or use gas, therw arw timea when it would be prefered by Americans, juat so as to not suppoet Fracking, Alberta Oil Sands, and Saudi Oil Imports, etc.

      At least make it an option, or you are giving another vehicle for Tony Williams to add in his list of Jdemo vehicles! (After market CHAdeMO add on.)

      1. Tim E says:

        Fully disagree with your statement about 3.3 KW charging being fine. No vehicle should have less than 6 KW on board charging.

        It’s fine to limit the charging rate at home – even for a BEV for overnight charging – preferably via a setting on an EVSE, but if you are going to be using a public charging station – please do so only if you are charging at a decent rate, or if you have a BEV.

        I find it frustrating to find public L2 chargers in use by Volts, PiP, Ford Energi’s and such – with no availability for BEVs that really need it. I don’t discredit the “every electric mile counts” philosophy, but knowing that a Volt is charging at 3.3 KW (or worse – a PiP at 2 KW?) where they don’t “have” to have it, vs a BEV that really needs it could be pulling 6+ KW. The Volt takes longer to charge than a Leaf for half the range.

        A PHEV with Chademo? I’m glad they aren’t including it because that would be incredibly frustrating to see a PHEV fast charging when a BEV really needs it.

        1. Michel says:

          Tim your frustrations are over rated.
          So far I did feel I took some oportunity to bve to plug in when my Volt is plug in . First I don’t use it just for a fews km of energy or only on a single station available or I leave my cell phone number to be call if some bve need to plug in .
          I have some kind of enough of those purist like you .
          I’m at 85 % electric so far . That much better that those big mouth with a lot of bla bla . But still drive ice.

        2. So, the line stating “But it will need a 6.6kW or faster onboard charger for home charging”, realy should be saying 6.6 kW for Public Charging, so they are using the full power bandwidth as available, and not taking double the time on station.

          Of course, we see the continued weak production of the iMiEV, and I wonder if that is the best EV they could do as a BEV? We also don’t seem to see headlines of Mitsubishi expanding CHAdeMO in USA or CANADA, by themselves, or in partnership with Nissa or Kia!

    2. Speculawyer says:

      I wouldn’t say ‘no need’. However, it may be more hassle than it is worth. Chademo chargers probably cost quite a bit to use and this only gets a small amount of charge.

  8. Alan says:

    I have had my Outlander PHEV for over 8 months and never even thought of using the Chademo FC, it’s not worth the bother to wait for over a minute per mile with a max of less than 20 miles for an 80% charge.

    Some will say it’s handy for a coffee break etc which is true but in reality, it will rarely ever get used.

    The car itself is great though !

    1. scottf200 says:

      Great real world feedback. This needs to get in the US so other manufacturers make one (looking at you GM).

  9. BradBitzer says:

    I guess I wanted the ChaDeMo port because even occasional use would be more use and more reason for more stations.

    1. stimpacker says:

      Gosh, I hope Plug-in Prius owners don’t think that way otherwise BEVs are doomed.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        A lot of Volt drivers use en-route charging (see link below). That hasn’t “doomed” BEVs.

        Diff’rent strokes for diff’rent folks.

        http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1079936_forget-range-anxiety-chevy-volt-owners-have-gas-anxiety

  10. Chris O says:

    Even if somebody would actually use it he will just use up charging capacity that some BEV owner might have more need for.

    Good riddance.

  11. taser54 says:

    LOL. Shoot yourself in the foot Mitsu.

  12. Duhman says:

    Someone finally realized 9.6 KW battery is too little? Gimme 35 and Chademo Dumnuts!

  13. Nick says:

    With the tiny battery, they should have gone for lithium titanate.

    Then you could have your ~seven minute fast charges on 100kW CHAdeMO stations.

  14. Assaf says:

    Haha, love the ChaDeNO invention! Will they start developing global standards for it?

  15. ct200h says:

    chademo is an option included in the higher trims I think of the outlander phev in other countries. perhaps in the usa too?
    anyway they should keep it ,remember this has a 12kwh battery and L2 at 3.3kw on board is slow , to slow . DCFC would be great.
    Mitsubishi is quite clueless.

  16. mort says:

    This is the same thing as if Henery Ford had said, cars do not need to travel faster than 25 MPH because there is no freeway system, YET!

    I knew that this vehicle was to good for the American market, it was obvious that they would pare it back.

    Chademo is only unworthy until its necessary, in the progressive state of Washington we have them every where in fact, the place we shop the most that is about 35 miles from home has one at the Y and we use it regularly. This is a perfect example of why it makes sense. In our experience sitting around for 20 minutes is a small price to pay for doing our part to cut off funding for ISIS, OPEC, and limiting global climate change.

  17. Braben says:

    In the US and Europe they can just as well rename ChaDeMo to ChaNisSan (or NisDeMo?), since nobody else will use it in the long run.

    1. mustang_sallad says:

      Seriously, Chademo is dead (except in Japan), there’s no point to keep designing cars with it at this point. I won’t be surprised if the 2nd gen Leaf comes with CCS in the US and Europe, especially given the collective push for higher power stations with CCS.

      1. Speculawyer says:

        That is what I was kinda expecting to happen a year or two ago. But then all the automakers that are signed up for SAE-CCS did almost nothing to support it!

        Chrysler/Fiat – Fiat 500e doesn’t have SAE-CCS.
        Ford – Ford Focus Electric doesn’t have SAE-CCS. Nor do the Energi PHEVs.
        GM – Volt doesn’t support SAE-CCS. The Spark EV does but it is was mostly a low volume compliance car.
        VW/Porsche/Audi – Only recently came out with eGolf which supports SAE-CCS. Has built some stations.
        BMW – i3 Supports SAE-CCS. Has built some stations.

        The Bolt is gonna flop if they don’t get CCS stations out there.
        Mercedes – Nothing.

  18. Speculawyer says:

    ChadeNO . . . LOL.

    “because there aren’t enough CHAdeMO charging stations in the U.S. to make it worth including.”

    Damn . . . that’s quite the diss coming from a Chademo supporter company. Of course, that really don’t say much about SAE-CCS which has even fewer chargers in the field. :-/

  19. Speculawyer says:

    Well . . . this isn’t a big deal. It probably is more hassle than it is worth. It adds cost to the car, it is probably very rarely used, and it it is probably not economical for the drivers to use . . . much cheaper to drive on gas than to pay for Chademo charge up.

    Only if the Chademo chargers are free or very cheap would it make sense . . . and that just would encourage inefficient usage of the Chademo chargers by clogging them up with cheapskate PHEV owners.

  20. JP White says:

    Right on the heels of Nissan and BMW announcing they will install 120 more CHAdeMO/CCS rapid chargers around the country Mitsubishi announce there are not enough of them.

    How about partnering with someone to make it happen?

  21. Nix says:

    I wonder if they removed the faster charging rate to make sure they didn’t get battery replacement claims under the much longer California 10-year or 150,000-mile standard.

  22. Richard Joash Tan says:

    Just like the Australian Version!

  23. Reecho says:

    CHAdeMo beats CCS hands down for reliability….

    1. With literally dozens of charger manufactures for CHAdeMO and at least a few for CCS, it’s a little hard to say one is really more reliable than the other… it comes down to individual manufacture and their quality control.

      To be perfectly honest, there’s a lot of junk out there right now.

  24. whynot says:

    My Australian Outlander PHEV doesn’t have CHAdeMO, and, seriously, I don’t miss it. If the battery is running low, it switches over to the ICE. It makes good financial sense to drop the CHAdeMO as the additional marginal cost buys enough fuel to more than offset its loss. A far bigger issue in Australia is getting Mitsubishi to drop the 15 Amp 240V plug (which is rare) for the universal 10 Amp 240V plug, but that is another story.

  25. Bruce says:

    Mitsubishi’s decision makers are idiots. US market wants all possible options. Hasn’t anyone learned that you can’t look at current infrastructure. Put CHAdeMO back in US version, maybe a bigger battery too!