Mitsubishi Expected To Make PHEV Technology Available To Nissan – In Return, LEAF Tech Headed To Mitsu

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Outlander PHEV Technology Expected To Power A Nissan In the Near Future

Outlander PHEV Technology Expected To Power A Nissan In the Near Future

Even though the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV isn’t sold in the U.S. (we hear it may go on sale in America within one year or so) that doesn’t imply that the plug-in Outlander is unsuccessful.

Nissan LEAF Technology Headed Mitsubishi's Way

Nissan LEAF Technology Headed Mitsubishi’s Way

In fact, the Outlander PHEV has been a hit in nearly every country it’s sold in, and that’s why Nissan (Renault-Nissan now controls Mitsubishi) is apparently interested in borrowing Mitsu’s PHEV tech,

In return, we’re led to believe that Nissan will offer up its LEAF EV technology to Mitsubishi, perhaps for the next-generation i-MiEV (which likely won’t be called the i-MIEV).

Ward’s Auto was first to report on this latest Renault-Nissan / Mitsubishi development, stating:

“The new-product moves are firmly under way without requiring any platform-sharing with Nissan, Swearingen says, adding that near-term the two will search for cost savings in less-visible areas such as transportation logistics and parts consolidation. Longer-term he expects Mitsubishi to contribute its PHEV technology to the group and Nissan to make its Leaf electric-vehicle technology available in return.”

Don Swearingen is executive vice president and chief operating officer at Mitsubishi Motors North America.

Swearingen made no additional LEAF /Mitsu PHEV comments beyond that, but of course it makes perfect sense for the automakers to share this costly-to-develop technology. We just hope the sharing happens sooner rather than later.

Source: Ward’s

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21 responses to "Mitsubishi Expected To Make PHEV Technology Available To Nissan – In Return, LEAF Tech Headed To Mitsu"

  1. tftf says:

    The trio will be close to the top three automotive groups wordwide:

    “Japan’s Toyota was top last year with 10.15 million vehicles, followed by Germany’s Volkswagen at 9.93 million and General Motors of the United States at 9.8 million.

    But the enlarged Renault-Nissan alliance could jump to 9.5 million vehicles in 2016 thanks to an increase in sales by Renault, which has benefitted from a recovery in the European market and the introduction of several new models.”

    That’s very impressive and will lead to economies of scale in both PHEVs and EVs.

    I see M-R-N produce 10 million cars a year by 2020 if they execute this alliance right.

    1. Brandon says:

      Do you mean to say they could jump to 9.5 million in 2017?

  2. Kddd says:

    Next outlander needs 100epa rating range. And electric heating with heatpump

    1. Sublime says:

      I disagree about the need for a heatpump. It’s going to have a gas tank and an ICE. I’d rather they invest the money in creating a post catalytic converter heat exchanger on the exhaust.

      If you are using the ICE engine to drive the wheels, using its excess energy to generate electricity, and recapturing a lot of it’s waste heat to heat the interior, that’s probably as or more efficient than a NG power plant and a heat pump in the car. Then you can use more of the battery power to drive the car.

      1. Francois Charland says:

        Yes, but since you drive mostly on electricity, why the need to fire up your engine? The goal here is to m inimise your usage of petrol.

        I hate to see my volt’s 75 km range melt when I need to heat it up. It uses resistive heating which is very inneficient, and in turn makes the gas engine kick in that much faster since the battery is drained faster.

        1. Sublime says:

          Unless you are charging with solar, the total efficiency of the ICE, IF you can use its waste heat is going to be hard to beat. Also when you really need the heat (when it’s less than 40 degrees out) the heat pump isn’t helping much.

      2. Djoni says:

        If you already have A/C built in your car like the vast majority do, you already have the expensive parts in, compressor, condensing and evaporating coil, dryer, refrigerant and so on,
        Adding a heat pump is just a matter of a bit more tubing and hardware with a reversing valve and there you go.
        Besides heating with more efficiency give you more ERA.

        1. Sublime says:

          Heat pumps aren’t all that much better that resistive heat elements when you’re down in the sub 40 degree range. There’s actually a cross over point where resistive is better.

          1. Nick says:

            I agree that heat pumps lose efficiency at ~25 degrees.

            What’s your argument? That we should not have heat pumps since they are only 5x as efficient at *some* temperatures, and ineffective at others?

            Seems like a strange argument.

            1. richard says:

              Do do both!

              I have the middle spec Outlander PHEV, that has the electric heater, so I can set the timer or use the app to pre-heat the car on winter mornings.
              I assume it is a resistive header, I haven’t bothered to look. Because Summer EV range is up to 35 miles, Winter EV range can be down to 20 miles.

              The other half has a Soul EV, which has a heat pump, but sometimes when it is below zero (centigrade) we can smell something which might be dust burning on a resistive element. So I guess it has both but only uses the resistive element when it is so cold outside that the heat pump can’t get enough.

            2. Sublime says:

              My argument is that it doesn’t make much sense in a hybrid. ICE engines are inefficient because most of the energy from the fuel goes out the exhaust pipe/radiator as waste heat. IF you can use that waste heat, for heat, the ICE is actually pretty efficient.

              Compare this to a coal or NG power plant, producing electricity with efficiency losses. Then there’s delivery loss, charging loss, and finally a loss in converting that battery energy to heat for the cabin. In a pure BEV you have no choice, this is the route you have to take to heat the cabin. Put a 20 stage, 900 SEAR heatpump in there 🙂
              In a hybrid, use the fuel for what it’s good at, making heat. Use the battery energy for what it’s good at, driving motors.

  3. Noel says:

    This is a pretty cool picture and i just wish Mitsubishi do come back to motorsport?

  4. John says:

    Make a PHEV Nissan Pathfinder with 50 miles of range and you won’t be able to make them fast enough. Surely they can repackage the 30kWh Leaf battery to fit somewhere…

    I’m still completely shocked that GM hasn’t put the Voltec in a small SUV…

    1. Lou Grinzo says:

      Ditto for a PHEV Rogue, which in ICE form is selling at a remarkable clip.

  5. William says:

    My praying on my knees for the PHEV Outlander to actually arrive in the US, for the past few years, has my kneecaps worn practically all the way through. Now this “sharing” will help Nissan do exactly what with the still non existent Mitsubishi PHEV technology in N.A.? Please tell me Nissan will launch a Rouge with the Outlander PHEV tech. Or maybe a Pathfinder, for those like John (above) who would be ready to pounce should it actually arrive any time soon.

  6. Benedictus says:

    Mitsubishi will bring a Compact SUV to Geneva with great resemblance to the 2015 XR PHEV 2 Concept. The size will be in between the ASX and Outlander.

    Mitsubishi sees it as an important car for Europe. Don’t know if US is in plans as well. I hope to see them take new step electric range.

    1. ht13 says:

      So what? There’s no word of “New Compact SUV” beeing an Electric-Vehicle, or did I miss it?

      http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/events/motorshow/2017/gms2017/concept/

      1. Benedictus says:

        This was the 2015 Geneva Motor Show information about the concept:

        “The MITSUBISHI Concept XR-PHEV II is a small SUV concept expected to be MMC’s second PHEV following the Outlander PHEV launched in January 2013. The new PHEV system presented in the MITSUBISHI Concept XR-PHEV II is a lightweight, compact and high-efficiency front-engine/front-drive system ideal for an urban crossover. The system is estimated to achieve very low CO2 emissions of below 40 g/km, among the lowest of any PHEV, while also delivering gutsy and smooth performance with excellent response with its 163 ps electric motor. The concept model reflects MMC’s focus on electric vehicles in its approach to environmental technologies and is currently developing PHEV systems best suited to each model in its lineup with a view to introducing them in the near future.”

        I strongly believe Mitsubishi will bring the PHEV during the next motorshow as well, building on the concept. Why would they ignore the PHEV development?

        Mitsubishi Motors in the Netherlands states this vehicle as the first of a new generation of vehicles. This could refer to a new focus on more SUV’s, but could also refer to a focus on PHEV/EV drivelines.

        1. ht13 says:

          My hopes are with you. It would be time for new developments in EV/PHEV made by mitsubishi – and not only as one more concept, but as real-live version! 🙂

  7. Ct200h says:

    My bet is the only concrete info on the car shown at Geneva will be a turbo ice powertrain. There will or could be talk of a “future” plug in , but that’s it , no details.

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