Kia Installs First 100 kW CHAdeMO DC Fast Chargers In Europe

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Kia powers ahead with fastest EV chargers in Europe (100 kW CHAdeMO & CCS)

Kia powers ahead with fastest EV chargers in Europe (100 kW CHAdeMO & CCS)

Kia powers ahead with fastest EV chargers in Europe (100 kW CHAdeMO & CCS)

Kia powers ahead with fastest EV chargers in Europe (100 kW CHAdeMO & CCS)

Kia announced that it’s powering ahead with the fastest EV chargers in Europe.  The automaker recently installed two 100 kW chargers at is European headquarters in Frankfurt.

This fastest EV chargers in Europe is not exactly true as Tesla has 120/135 kW in Europe, however we must admit that the 100 kW for CHAdeMO itself is the highest level ever implemented to date.

It’s promising to see that the CHAdeMO Alliance is upping the power. 100 kW compared to the more common 50 kW brings charging time of Kia Soul EV from empty to 80% from 33 to 25 minutes. Battery pack is 27 kWh.

This is not the only infrastructure project from Kia, as in Europe Kia launched a special program for AC and DC charging points:

“Following the installation of the new 100 kW DC chargers at the brand’s European headquarters, Kia plans to roll out a network of 233 charging stations across its Soul EV retailers and national sales organisations’ headquarters in Europe. This is in addition to the existing network of 140 EV charging stations already installed at various Kia distributors and dealers, giving consumers access to a total of 373 Kia charging stations. This is part of a wider plan from Kia to install a robust charging network around the world, as the Soul EV is to be sold globally.”

We don’t know how many of them will be DC fast chargers, nor do we know how many of the DC units will be 100 kW. We know however the manufacturer of those chargers: It’s Signet Systems Inc, the Korean power electronics provider founded in 1998.

Kia is silent about the fact that these chargers have second plug on the other side and it’s CCS combo plug (European version). Probably 100 kW too. Why is Kia including CCS? Does this mean something? Well, word is that Kia wants to leave nobody out and is here to support the entire EV community.

Speaking at a special unveiling ceremony to celebrate the launch of this new technology in Europe, Michael Cole, Chief Operating Officer, Kia Motors Europe, commented:

“These are the first chargers in the region to offer so much power, and will help make the Soul EV a viable option for consumers when it goes on sale. Kia sees battery electric vehicles as a key solution for future mobility, and we will continue to invest in this technology.”

In the fourth quarter of 2014, Kia Soul EV should be available in 16 countries in Europe.

“Having launched the Kia Ray EV in the domestic Korean market, the Soul EV is the first globally-sold EV from the brand, spearheading the next generation of Kia’s range of battery electric vehicles. The Kia Soul EV is due to go on sale in 16 European countries in the fourth quarter of 2014 and will benefit from Kia’s unique 7-Year, 150,000 km warranty, making it the only electric vehicle available with such a comprehensive warranty.”

“The Soul EV has class-leading battery energy density of 200 Wh/kg and is powered by an 81.4 kW electric motor, producing 285 Nm of torque, and a high-capacity 27 kWh lithium-ion polymer battery pack located beneath the cabin. The new model, which can accelerate from 0 to 100 kph (62 mph) in under 12 seconds and reach a top speed of 145 kph (90 mph), has a driving range of up to 212 km (131 miles).”

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46 responses to "Kia Installs First 100 kW CHAdeMO DC Fast Chargers In Europe"

  1. Anderlan says:

    YES. EV infrastructure is an easy trick!!! You really do not need a huge amount of money to build it. Look at Tesla. You might need to put in some packs (like Tesla does) to obviate demand charges. IT’S SO IMMINENTLY DO-ABLE!

    I recall folks saying that EVs will kill the grid. 50kW+ daytime charging will NOT kill the grid, so the idea that 3kw nighttime charging would destroy the grid is hilarious. HAR DEE HAR.

  2. Steve says:

    100kW chademo? This makes no sense to me. The Chademo specification and connectors only go up to 125 Amps. Take the drivetrain voltage of 400V or so and 125 x 400 = 50KW
    Seems this is more marketing than reality!

    1. Phil Kulak says:

      This spec goes up to 200 amps. So, 80kw. 100kw is at 500 volts, which no car will every actually draw.

    2. Just_Chris says:

      Oh god, here we go again.

      All this means is that Kia have installed a cable, charger and connector that exceeds the standard. The 3 standards around ChaDeMO are not the same as the standard for a plug socket in your house. Simple resistive loads like a hair dry or kettle take what they get and explode into a ball of fire (slight exaggeration) if you provide a much higher voltage leading to a much higher current. The car and the fast charger on the other hand, are in constant communication. So if you plug a Soul EV into a 25kW fast charger it will only draw around 60 A because that is all the charger will give. Similarly if you plug a Leaf into a 100kW fast charger it will only draw a maximum of 125 A because that is all the car will ask for. Both the car and the charger will have temperature sensors that will reduce or interrupt the current if the temperature goes past a limit. They also have a range of other sensors that do things like reduce the current as the vehicle goes above 80% SOC. These are common on even the most basic stationary power battery chargers.

      You can buy 400A welding cable (standard is 80A) so 250A is hardly pushing the bounds of all that is sensible. The cable in the image looks like 400A cable, although it may be smaller depending on the level of armor around the cores.

      As for this destabilizing the grid has no one here ever seen a tram?

      If you had a car park with 100 x 100kW fast chargers you would just put in a dedicated feeder from the HV network and everything would be fine.

      1. Martin Winlow says:

        Chris, – I don’t think (well, actually I *know*) it’s quite as simple as that! The EV and ChaDeMo communicate with each other and the charger will supply whatever the car needs. So, fear not! MW

  3. Anon says:

    I like Kia’s pro-BEV approach MUCH more than Toyota and Honda. And it’s very altruistic of them to provide dual capability chargers with CCS, but wish they had a peppier, more aerodynamic EV option available than the Soul.

    1. Anderlan says:

      It’s possible Kia sees an opening in Toyota’s (and others’) BEV blindspot.

      Toyota waits for the next generation of batteries (solid state), neglecting the near term battery car sea change. While hawking fool cells that might sell a few hundred to satisfy the CARB (that apparently owe natural gas a few favors outstanding) but which has *no* visible long term prospects. That’s no strategy.

      1. DaveMart says:

        The batteries in the Kia should do an excellent job in their partner, Hyundai’s, fuel cell cars, and would also make a very fine complement in a Fuel cell PHEV.

        Slogans are not terribly conducive to analytical thinking!

        Kia/Hyundai have a good strategic plan, which complement each other very well.

        1. Anderlan says:

          OK, but I’m taking ‘fool cell’ to the bank. There’s a decade of analysis behind it.

          1. DaveMart says:

            If advertising slogans float your boat, excellent.

            Perhaps you will love equally the slogan that Tesla is building 4,000lb dinosaurs, they have simply electrified them.

            That doesn’t make them a very efficient way of transporting an average of 1.3 people about.

            1. protomech says:

              4000 pound dinosaurs will continue to exist until the environment we drive in changes dramatically. Consider the market failure of the 1st generation Insight: it sacrificed practicality and convention for efficiency. It was positioned for the environment we might wish for, not the environment that is .. and accordingly, was largely rejected by consumers and failed.

              Tesla is refusing to make that mistake. They can build 4000 pound dinosaurs that compete against similarly-priced conventional vehicles and require little change in operator behavior. They couldn’t do the same with a smaller less expensive vehicle in 2012, but hope to do so in 2017. The sales of their 4000 pound dinosaurs will fuel the program to build this smaller vehicle.

              Today’s small EVs like the LEAF are suitable primarily for owners with limited driving requirements or as part of a fleet that includes one gas vehicle for longer trips. Prices have improved significantly since 2010, but outside of generous leasing deals they’re still about $5000 high vs similar gas vehicles.

              LEAF is the most successful small EV, and has sold about 2x as many total vehicles as Tesla Model S. However, the LEAF has captured a much smaller fraction of the price-range market it sells in; by that measure, Tesla is significantly more successful building their 4000 pound dinosaurs.

    2. Spec9 says:

      “I like Kia’s pro-BEV approach MUCH more than Toyota and Honda.”

      Talk about damning with faint praise.

  4. DaveMart says:

    That is one heck of a battery in the Soul.
    Its obviously comfortable with a charge rate of 4C.
    At that size of pack the 100kw is not going to make a huge difference over 50kw, but it sure will when costs have dropped enough to offer bigger packs.

    1. It’s only 3C. Battery voltage at 20% will be ~370V * 200 A = 74 kW. It might go up a little more, but the maximum charging rate will only be kept at a small frame, which results in the just 30% time advantage over the 40 kW charger.

  5. Doug B says:

    Will they make these chargers available commercially?

    1. Commercial 100 kW CHAdeMO / CCS Chargers – listed here: http://evcharger.biz/products/signet
      HB100K-DUAL – about half way down the page.
      Also – this page lists 25 kW, 50 kW, as well as AC Car Charging Station, Charging Station 20 kW Modules, and Battery Packs.

  6. JakeY says:

    “Kia is silent about the fact that these chargers have second plug on the other side and it’s CCS combo plug (European version). Probably 100 kW too. Why is Kia including CCS?”
    It likely has that because the EU requires it by law so that infrastructure built forward can support CCS (which is what all the European makes are using).

    1. Eric Loveday says:

      You may think that is true, but there are already reports of Kia dealerships in the U.S. with multi-standard DC fast chargers and Kia tells us that its goal is to support the entire EV community.

      1. vadik_veselovsky says:

        Both can be true: Europe requires CCS AND Kia supports EV community.

  7. Calling B.S. ob KIA !! ⚠

  8. Calling B.S. ob KIA !!

    rant ––[ marketing crap ]–– rant

    There is no way KIA can push 100 kWh through the cabe and connector pictured. The version of CHAdeMO connector pictured s limited to 125A … and the best rated CHAdeMO connector currently available had handle 200a.

    Given the Soul EV battery pack has a maximum voltage of ~400 Volts. Thus the max. possibe charging power is limited to 80 kWh (400V * 200A) … more likely just 50 kW (400V * 125A).

    Please don’t tell me that because KIA has installed two 50 kW chargers in a two connector station … KIA is calling it a 100 kW station. This would no different than getting 255 octane from a gas pump (90+85+80).

    rant ––[ marketing crap ]–– rant

    1. DaveMart says:

      No doubt it is the wrong picture.
      Somehow I doubt that Kia doesn’t know how fast their charger is though, and this is official Kia news:
      http://press.kia.com/eu/press/corporate/14_09_10_kia%20unveils%20fastest%20chargers%20in%20europe/

      50kw would be no news at all.

    2. The difference between the 50 kW and the 100 kW charge session is just 5 minutes, so it likely just spits out 100 kW for less than that difference, before starting to taper off!

      The chargers are here – HB100K-DUAL –
      http://evcharger.biz/products/signet
      Built with 5 X 20 kW Modules in Parallel for the 100 kW Model!

      Tesla Uses 10 kW Modules – just the same ones they designed for the Model S in Car use, which can have one or two, but they use multiples of them in similar fashion, in their supercharger system for the Tesla! First was 9 for 90 kW, then 12, for 120 kW, and moving up to (I guess 14 with some line losses) 135 kW!

  9. kdawg says:

    Can the Kia Soul even charge at that rate?

    1. Not without overheating cells in the battery pack, which would reduce capacity and number f charging cycles.

      (context: charging Soul EV at 100 kW)

      The first time someone charges the 27 kWh Soul battery from 20%-80% it would take about ~10 min. Later sessions will take same 10 min of time, but usable battery capacity will quickly drop if some sort of supper cooling is not used to prevent overheating. (eg: liquid nitrogen)

      So for practical purposes … NO!

      To speed up quick DC charging requires a larger capacity battery, or a higher pack voltage. Both have higher engineering/design costs.

      1. DaveMart says:

        You are making too many assumptions about the chemistry in the pack.

        It is an NMC chemistry which has a higher energy density than anything other than the 18650’s in the Tesla S, and NMC theoretically at least cope with high charge rates if you get it right.

        It appears that they have done so here, and 4C charging is fine, just as it would be for the lithium titanate in the Fit EV.

  10. FYI:
    While a Tesla Model S has a battery that can charge at 120 kW; the best average charging power over a session it could draw from this “100 kW charger” is ~40 kW continuous.

    This is because a Model S has a pack voltage of 400V and the connector is limited to 125 Amps current. (~50 kW max). BUT an 85 kWh pack could take over an hour of charging and would overheat the 125A CHAdeMO connector which is designed for 30 min. use at 125A. (Is a manufacture limitation, not specific to standard). This requires current to be reduce below 80A … further reducing power below 50 kW.

  11. Alex says:

    If you include CCS in Europe, you get money from state, so you are stupid if you don’t include CCS.

    1. Bingo.

      The Dead-Man-Walking standard gets kept alive with cash. Companies that never intend to use it still must play along like good hamsters.

      1. mutle says:

        With almost 400 locations in Europe you can hardly call it “Dead-Man-Walking”.

        1. There are about two dozen of the “Dead-Man-Walking” chargers in the USA. Virtually every one of those two dozen is along side a CHAdeMO charger.

          The USA / GM version of this plug doesn’t interchange with the German / Europe version.

          1. Thorstio says:

            What do you mean “dead man walking “? Is it the CCS standard?

  12. I did find this specification sheet on a Signet 25kW dual charger. It uses:

    1. YAZAKI (EV CHARGE COUPLER-DC)

    2. REMA (DC Fast charge EV Conector) -SAE J1772 and IEC62196-3

    http://gptechnology.com/sites/gptechnology.com/files/20130516_HB25K-Dual%20Spec.pdf

    1. DaveMart says:

      This looks like the specs of the 100kw charger:
      HB100K-DUAL:

      http://evcharger.biz/products/signet

      It looks like it can either power one car at 100kw using all five 20kw modules, or two, on at 50kw using 3 modules and one at 25kw using 2 modules.

      Whilst for the batteries in the Soul:

      ‘In addition, a special safety & secure separator is used in the Kia Soul EV’s battery cells. The separator determines the safety and the charge/discharge speed of the battery. It has improved thermal resistance, which helps to keep the cell secure from exposure to heat or fire by preventing the shrinking of the separator if the temperature of the cell increases beyond normal levels.

      Together, the low electrical resistance battery cell, proper battery system thermal control and accurate state-of-charge calculation improve the charging performance, achieving an outstanding ‘fast charge’ time of 25 minutes (100 kW DC) or 33 minutes (50 kW DC). Full recharge time, depending on power source, takes up to five hours (6.6 kW AC).’

      http://www.kia.com/worldwide/about-kia/company/corporate-news-view.aspx?idx=718

  13. I found it…

    http://evcharger.biz/products/signet

    Five modules (20kw each)are connected in parallel to produce 100kW capacity.

    This allowed users to customize capacity of chargers within 25kw, 50kW, and 100kW.

    100kW : 5 Modules
    50kW: 3 Modules
    25kW: 2 Modules

    Each model is 500v * 40a = 20kW max DC output. They are air cooled.

    This compares somewhat to Tesla’s 10kW modular construction, except the Tesla charge modules used in both Superchargers and the Tesla Model S/3/X, plus Mercedes B-Class ED and Toyota Rav4 EV are all liquid cooled.

    Here’s what they have to say about the cooling issue, “Compared with competitor’s product….. Is much more efficient and maintainable because it is constructed with air cooling system instead of water cooling.”

    Sorry, but ya lost me there. That is funny. Maybe Nissan LEAF engineers are moonlighting over there in Korea.

    See ya in Phoenix in the summer with your more efficient air cooled charger!

    1. DaveMart says:

      Yo, Tony!

      I posted then saw that you had just given exactly the same info whilst I was typing it!

      Same info twice is twice as good! 😉

    2. DaveMart says:

      Active air cooling is a different matter to the passive air cooling of the Leaf, and is also what VW chose for the E-Golf.

      The Tesla pack needs liquid cooling as the chemistry runs very hot and is volatile, but other things being equal it is nice to not need it.

      1. Josh says:

        I think you are referring to Tesla’s batteries being liquid cooled.

        Tony is referring to the AC to DC power converters Tesla uses to charge the battery packs. These are also liquid cooled. Liquid cooling is a far more efficient method of head transfer, but maybe a more costly system or runs the risk of losing liquid (like an ICE).

        I am guessing Tesla went with liquid over air because of their experience with the Roadster.

    3. Why should a Korean company, which sells their products in Europe, care about Phoenix?
      See your liquid cooling in Finland at -40°C when it bursts the pipes…

  14. HB100K-DUAL
    DC Quick Charger for Electric Vehicle

    Compatibility

    Acquire CHAdeMO certification
    Hyundai-Kia Motors, Nissan, GM, BMW Electric Vehicle Matching Test Completed
    Applicable SAE J1772 Combo Coupler (Dual Quick Charger)
    Any input power all over the world is applicable
    Compact

    Light Weight & Compact size
    Smaller Scale, Compare to the other Product
    Ex)HB100K-DUAL
    Weight: about 180kg, Size: 680×640×1450(mm)

    Scalability

    Parallel Operation (Patent #10-0848297)
    Easy to extend the capacity
    Charging station use : Un-necessary to develop larger capacity charger
    Customer Service

    Modular design of parallel approach
    Easy replacement of malfunction module
    Anyone can easily repair just by replacing broken module with new one
    World Wide Warranty

  15. Bonaire says:

    When shorter-range cars can get a refill faster, the need for longer-range cars diminishes. 100KW 100-mile range cars will be fine as long as the # of battery recharges can still be 2000 or more.

    1. io says:

      I think so too. Recharging speed and availability are what really matter; range is more for convenience.

  16. Interesting – a bunch of us all found the same page on the signet page with the 100 kW Charger and posted the links or the specs or both!!

    Once again – http://evcharger.biz/products/signet

    Basically – a creative solution for a simple problem, just like Tesla did, Scalable, and flexible from the component status!

    Signet is one of many EV Charging Companies listed on this Ohio Paper –
    FUTURE OF TRANSPORTATION TECHNOLOGIES
    http://www.dot.state.oh.us/Divisions/Planning/Conference/Documents/Presentations/Tuesday-July-15/2-C/Yurkovich_Session2C_1.pdf – Page/Image 14!

  17. Thorstio says:

    Normally I charge for less then 10 minutes so this will make a difference.

  18. Some Steak Houses at the local of Supercharger sites take longer to order and deliver a meal to your table than it takes to fully charge the Model S at the Supercharger site! (Per comments read on PlugShare App – Activity Segment!