Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell SUV Drivers Crack Past 2 Million Miles Driven

5 months ago by Mark Kane 35

2017 Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell

Hyundai celebrated Earth Day 2017 with a well crafted PR event by announcing its Tucson Fuel Cell‘s milestone of achieving more than two million miles on the roads and highways of both Southern and Northern California.

Hyundai ix35 Fuel Cell

The South Korean company tirelessly calls its hydrogen fuel cell SUV the “first mass-produced fuel cell car”, but we feel a bit strange regurgitating that talking point, and the U.S. delivery counter since 2014 stands at just 140 units; at least the Toyota Mirai consistently achieves around ~100 sales per month of late, and ~1,400 sales since October of 2015.

In theory then, the average mileage stands at just below 14,000 miles per vehicle.

The Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell (aka ix35 Fuel Cell) has range of up to 265 miles.

“In celebration of Earth Day 2017, Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell drivers have again surpassed an important threshold, accumulating more than two million miles on the roads and highways of both Southern and Northern California. These fuel cell CUVs have emitted only clean water vapor, and by so doing, have replaced approximately 760 tons of CO2 emissions that would have been emitted by vehicles of similar size and capability. Hyundai has delivered more than 140 Tucson Fuel Cell crossovers since its introduction as the first mass-produced fuel cell in the U.S. market in 2014.”

Mike O’Brien, vice president, corporate and product planning, Hyundai Motor America said:

“Breaking the two million mile consumer mileage barrier gives us greater vision into the unlimited zero-emissions potential for Hyundai’s fuel cell vehicles. With our growing consumer fleet of hydrogen-powered Tucson fuel cells accumulating miles and thus reducing corresponding emissions, we’re excited to help fulfill the unlimited potential for a zero-emissions hydrogen vehicle future.”

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35 responses to "Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell SUV Drivers Crack Past 2 Million Miles Driven"

  1. BenG says:

    “Hyundai has delivered more than 140 Tucson Fuel Cell crossovers since its introduction as the first mass-produced fuel cell in the U.S. market in 2014.”

    LOL.

    1. Four Electrics says:

      Did you also scoff at Tesla’s 50 Roadster deposits in 2006?

      1. SJC says:

        Of course not, bias only knows hypocrisy.

      2. What 50 deposits?

        There was 1 car, barely a car company yet, and they sold 100 of them, at $100,000.00 Cash, paid in full, up front, in 2 weeks! (Almost or about, 2 years before deliveries!)

        So in the same time frame as this Hyundai figure, they sold and delivered about at least 2/3rds, plus additional cars sold after that first 2 weeks! Probably close to the same, or more delivered, and even at about 20 miles less range, the Tesla Roadster even today, probably ‘cracks’ more than a proportional 15x as many Non Fueled Miles a Week, than this FCV, even though they are now approaching being 10 years old!

        It’s a bit different, since Hyundai was already producing vehicles for a few decades, and also, see another article here today, on the slowly being deliverered bolt: Already reporting 4.5 Million miles driven!

        See: http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-owners-driven-4-5-million-miles-counting/

        After seeing that, one might wonder why has not there been More Tucson EV (FCV) sales over 2+ years? Availability? Charging/Fueling Infrastructure? Lack of ability to Charge/Fuel at Home/Work?

        Surely, that 5 Minute time to refuel must mean something! Why has that factor not been more attractive to buyers? Even that 265 Mile Range – is that not interesting enough to get buyers in them?

        Can interested buyers not test drive them at enough dealers? Are the existing dealers Anti-Selling them?

        Really, are there not enough people who believe the marketing pitch to buy this vehicle? Isn’t it bigger than the Chevy Bolt EV? What gives?

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          Fool cell fanboys have now moved beyond denying science and promoting the delusion that they can change the basic physical properties of the hydrogen molecule?

          Now they’re engaging in revisionist history?

          Well, I suppose that shouldn’t be a surprise. Apparently they are capable of convincing themselves that any delusion is true.

          Reminds me a lot of arguing with believers in “free energy” and perpetual motion.

          1. SJC says:

            “Fool cell fanboys”
            Get a new line, ridicule in not knowledge.

            1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

              No, actually we need to stop responding to the fool cell fanboys’ ongoing attempts to change the subject, and simply keep pointing out the immutable reality:

              1. The Laws of Thermodynamics are not going to change

              2. The basic economic impossibility shown by an EROI (Energy Return On Investment) analysis of the “hydrogen economy” is not going to change

              3. Refusing to recognize reality does not actually change reality.

            2. JIMJFOX says:

              No point arguing-this Pu-Pu fool refuses to do ANY research or thinking about future possibilities. He uses the same fatuous strawman piffle “free energy” and perpetual motion.” that has NOTHING to do with H2.

              I’m glad to see more coming to realise he is a TROLL with little to contribute but a VERY dubious knowledge or education about Physics or Thermodynamics.

              1. JIMJFOX says:

                PS- I am NOT a supporter of H2 fuels cells except possibly in parts of the heavy transport segment where battery weight is impractical.

                Although I think batteries are near the end of their development cycle & we need a new technology for energy storage, or a very compact, efficient generator for renewables.

                1. JIMJFOX says:

                  Graphene Supercapacitors (no lithium-ion battery)

                  Could it be? “Warp drive, Captain but not as we know it”. Hideously expensive but so will be the car- IF/when it appears.

      3. BenG says:

        The Tucson Fuel Cell had it’s first delivery in June 2014. In almost 3 years they’ve delivered 140.

        The Tesla Roadster had it’s first deliveries September of 2008. By December 2010 they had delivered 1400.

        No, I never scoffed at the Roadster, I drooled over it.

        I do scoff at the Tucson Fuel Cell because it’s a joke. Since when does 140 sales in 3 years count as “mass produced”? 4 per month is mass produced?

    2. mx says:

      Methane to Hydrogen polluter.
      What a joke.

  2. Assaf Oron says:

    Nice editorial juxtaposition with the story of Bolts reaching >2x this total mileage, in just 3 months after sales start.

    Nicely enough, the Bolt also has a similar range to the Tucson FCV (not adding the “E” if it doesn’t have a plug).

    Perhaps add the link to this story, for posterity? http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-owners-driven-4-5-million-miles-counting/

    ***mod edit (Jay Cole)***
    it’s 140 sales to date, sorry about slip there
    ***mod edit***

    1. R.S says:

      Thought the same thing, 2 million only sounds impressive, if you don’t have any comparison.

      But to be honest, you don’t need a plug for the E. It still works like any EV. The battery is different, more like a flow cell battery, and it is a rather inefficient battery, that can’t even be recharged, but the concept is still the same.

      And the FC powers an electric motor, which in my opinion is what something needs, to qualify as an electric vehicle. An electric train doesn’t have a plug either, or even a traction battery. Still an electric train, though.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Yes, fool cell cars aka PHEVs are indeed EVs, despite what some BEV purists would like to claim.

        But of course, that doesn’t mean that fool cell cars will ever magically become practical. That’s impossible, so long as they’re powered by very nearly the worst possible, most impractical choice for an everyday fuel: compressed hydrogen.

        Hydrogen is a great fuel for booster rockets. Elsewhere, not so much.

  3. Roy LeMeur says:

    Crack is right. Can I have a hit? 🙂

  4. Chris O says:

    “760 tons of CO2 emissions that would have been emitted by vehicles of similar size and capability”….Hmmm. NREL study puts emissions of similar test vehicles on 356gr/mile based on hydrogen produced from on site steamreforming of natural gas. That compares to 179gr/mile for a car like the Toyota Prius for example.

    Maybe earth day wasn’t the right day to boast about this car.

    1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

      Per the Union of Concerned Scientists, the gasoline-powered ICE Tuscon emits 436 grams of CO2/mile well-to-wheels (WTW), while the FCEV Tuscon emits only 173 grams of CO2/mile WTW on the current mix of H2 sold at California fueling stations containing 46% renewable H2 content. Per Chris O, the Toyota Prius emits 179 grams of CO2/mile. Since the Tuscan is a CUV, it is much larger vehicle than a Prius and much less aerodynamic than a Prius, yet it emits less CO2/mile WTW than the Prius.

      Maybe earth day was the right day to boast about this car.

      http://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/attach/2014/10/How-Clean-Are-Hydrogen-Fuel-Cells-Fact-Sheet.pdf

      1. Chris O says:

        Prius V gets 217 gr/mile per fueleconomy.gov and should offer at least the same interior space as the Tuscon. California only mandates 33% renewable which would correspond to that rather questionable 203 gr/mile number your slide suggests so if there is environmental benefits from using hydrogen they are pretty marginal in the mix California mandates and they come at a pretty extreme cost.

        1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

          You should use the actual renewable percentage of 46% to calculate CO2 emissions per mile, not the mandated 33% percentage. The renewable percentage of hydrogen dispensed at California H2 fueling stations has hovered around 46% for the past four years during which time 26 new H2 stations were added to handle the demand created by the introduction of the Mirai, Clarity, Tuscon HFCVs.

          Chris O said:
          “. . . that rather questionable 203 gr/mile number your slide suggests. . .”

          Rather questionable? Really? Are you a science denier like Trump when it suits your needs? The 46% renewable figure was verified by CARB and reported by CARB in its annual report. The CO2 figures in the slide are from a report by the Union of Concerned Scientists based on a comprehensive, peer reviewed, annually updated, GREET Well-to-Wheels CO2 analysis by the U.S. Department of Energy’s Argonne National Lab called the GREET2. You’re calling their CO2 numbers questionable? The very same GREET WTW CO2 analysis is cited by EV advocates for CO2 numbers to show how EVs will fight climate change. Are you on of those conspiracy nutsn and think the officials at CARB and the scientists at Argonne National Lab are part of some Big Oil conspiracy to make hydrogen FCVs look greener by creating fake CO2 emissions numbers? Really?

          You can see the CO2 emissions numbers for various fuels and different pathways for yourself:

          https://greet.es.anl.gov/public/images/greet_sample_ghg_emissions.png

          https://greet.es.anl.gov/results

          1. Nick says:

            You’d be much better off redirecting all that renewable energy which is wasted on H2 generation to charging Teslas or displacing coal electrical generation.

            1. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

              The Teslas would have to be plugged in when that renewable energy is being generated. Tesla’s that are charged overnight don’t fill up with electrons from solar panels that produce energy during the day when the sun is shining.

              What about all that renewable energy that is wasted and either thrown away or curtailed during the day when Teslas and other EVs aren’t plugged in? The California ISO is curtailing a growing amounts of renewable electricity generation, curtailing “about 60,000 MWh in February and about 80,000 MWh in March, up from about 21,000 MWh and 47,000 MWh a year earlier.”
              http://www.platts.com/latest-news/electric-power/portland-maine/california-oversupply-volumes-grow-iso-curtails-21508104

              Wouldn’t it be better to use that growing excess renewable electricity generation to create hydrogen rather than curtail it? A 100% renewable hydrogen plant that will produce produce hydrogen from solar and wind power is currently being built in Palm Springs, California.
              https://www.gasworld.com/north-americas-largest-100-renewable-hydrogen-plant-ahead/2011670.article

              1. BenG says:

                Even better would be to have a smart charger interface with EVs and charge them when there is excess renewable electricity. Avoiding a lot of wasted energy in the trip to compressed hydrogen and back to electricity.

          2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            sven retorted:

            “Rather questionable? Really?”

            Yes, your fool cell fanboy half-truths and cherry-picked figures are indeed “rather questionable”, to put it politely. Actual EPA/NREL figures indicate that a non-plug-in Prius emits significantly less CO2 on a well-to-wheel basis than the fool cell cars you keep trying to promote.

            A PHEV or BEV of comparable size is, of course, even less polluting than a non-plug-in Prius, and certainly far better than the fool cell car.

            Not opinion, not cherry-picked figures; actual facts.

            Here is Truth:

            There are no… environmental benefits attributable to hydrogen either now or in any foreseeable future economic reality. On the contrary, hydrogen is a gross threat to efforts to tackle emissions as a result of public policies based on a false environmental premise and by grossly misleading advertising combined with incentives targeting consumers most at risk of deception by messaging citing the alleviation of environmental concerns as a value proposition.

            Full article here, along with many actual facts and figures regarding apples-to-apples comparisons of CO2 emissions from gasmobiles, HEVs, PHEVs, BEVs and FCEVs:

            https://cleantechnica.com/2014/06/04/hydrogen-fuel-cell-vehicles-about-not-clean/

  5. SparkEV says:

    Is it 140 cars or 2014 cars since year 2014? Either way, laughable.

    1. Right! They say 2014, provide no link at that point in the story to show the history and tally they mentioned, then include a quote that says 140 vehicles!

      Maybe a few minutes proofreading, before hitting the ‘Publish’ button would have given them time to notice that!

      1. Jay Cole says:

        Yes, little slip up there…~140 units sold. Sorry about that, it happens sometimes – fixed.

      2. “GM announced today that the 3,492 Bolt EV owners in the United States have driven 4,570,300 miles cumulatively.”
        Not bad for just over 3 months sales and deliveries! (And under 4 months of driving!)

        I wonder how many Tucson FCV’s they delivered in their first 3-4 months, and how many miles just those ones drove in their first 4 months? (For a more balanced comparison!)

  6. goodbyegascar says:

    Two million miles, and the hydrogen fuel cell vehicle is still going nowhere.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Driving two million miles in big circles around the few H2 stations which happen to be open and dispensing fuel on any given day.

      Well, fool cell fanboys have to celebrate unimportant victories, because they’ll never get any important ones.

      * * * * *

      CAPTAIN KIRK: Mr. Spock, is this ship headed for Ariannus?

      MR. SPOCK: Negative, Captain. The Enterprise is now moving in a circular course.

      SCOTTY: And at Warp 10, we’re going nowhere mighty fast.

      (Classic) Star Trek: “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield”

      1. SparkEV says:

        Damn you PuPu. Now I have to go see that black and white episode.

  7. DJ says:

    There was an interesting article on FCVs on GCR yesterday(??). Interesting read but you have to have your mind open to possibilities and not up your butt which is exactly what the ICE crowd did to EVs decades ago.

    Funny how history repeats itself…

  8. Get Real says:

    Yeah I read it and I noticed that the author of the GCR article worked in the fuel cell business for 15 years so he might be a little biased regarding this.

  9. Jason says:

    Today I can charge my BEV at home, at my convenience, I also have the ability to charge at “service stations” when traveling. Coupled with solar panels, this is truly a close to zero emissions outcome (you have to factor in manufacturing emissions). It is really hard to revert to any sort of vehicle where I can only refuel at designated service stations.

    Regardless how the H2 is made, right now it is the same old thing in a different suit, fill up at a service station, drive a bit, and do it again.

    Also interesting that it only gets ~260mi of range. How much H2 does that require? I got the impression H2 was going to be a lot more range than that. Current version BEV are getting this sort of range, and it is conceivable that battery tech still has a long way to improve. Not really seeing the advantage of FCEV at the moment.

    And really waiting to see one in a serious accident, expecting the Ka-Boom to be very spectacular! First time that happens I reckon it might put the end to FCEV.

  10. Dr Proctor says:

    I remember back in 2004, at the university – we converted a tiny old Peugeot, from gasoline to hydrogen.
    We bought the fuel cell from Canada, and the engine was sourced from another place.
    The school had a solar cell facility that generated electricity – which was just for students, and had no use. So they stored the electricity as hydrogen gas in underground tanks.
    It was slow, and all the back seat and luggage area was used for the tanks and stuff. We didn’t have the right equipment to get enough pressure on the gas, so we used lower pressure and a bigger tank.

    We used the car on a daily basis for two years. No probelems with the car.
    A bit afriad of car crash though. It was not like a production car with a good design. We used a really old, and unsafe car, with a dodgy tank full of hydrogen..

    There may be a market for hydrogen fuel cell cars – buy they need economy of scale to get cheaper production. I’m not sure that will happen, because most of the marked will probably be electric.
    Maybe as an electric/hydrogen hybrid.
    Large trucks can use hydrogen, but charging would probably take too long time, or some serious charger.

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