Hyundai / Kia Begin Development On Dedicated Electric Vehicle Platform

1 month ago by Eric Loveday 32

Hyundai IONIQ Electric Shares A Platform With Other More Conventional IONIQ Versions

You would’ve thought this collaborative effort had begun long ago.

Kia Soul EV

Just recently, at the Seoul Motor Show, Hyundai/Kia announced that joint development of a dedicated electric vehicle platform was underway.

The two automakers basically operate as one, though each puts their own individual touches on vehicles, so it makes sense to pair up on electric cars too.

Automotive News report

“Hyundai/Kia have begun work on a dedicated electric vehicle platform that will allow both automakers to one-up the competition.”

“Hyundai Motor is developing its first dedicated architecture for pure electric vehicles, preparing a major push into the growing segment by offering multiple models with longer driving ranges.”

Lee Ki-sang, a senior vice president at Hyundai Motor, stated that the vehicle will be either subcompact or compact and that it will go at least 186 miles on a charge. The platform will be done sometime next year, with the vehicles from each automaker to follow some undisclosed time after that.

Beyond that, Ki-sang says we should expect to see both automakers present electric SUVs.

Source: Automotive News

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32 responses to "Hyundai / Kia Begin Development On Dedicated Electric Vehicle Platform"

  1. SparkEV says:

    150 miles with AC at 70 MPH is the sweet spot for EV. That’s about 2 hours of highway drive plus margin to get to DCFC. Since this is the future, there will be enough DCFC en route.

    Having less range with smaller battery could mean smaller car (easier parking) and cheaper.

    1. jmk says:

      Sounds about right. The 190 – 250km (depending on the weather and speed) I get out of Ioniq Electric serves as a perfect second car and even relatively long drives up to 500km are quite tolerable with only 45mins spent charging on the way. Keyword here is the quite tolerable; good but not entirely ideal. 30-50 miles more or so of range and it would be perfect unless you plan on towing something.

      1. Brandon says:

        Yeah, I think 150 miles of range is definitely the minimum for a second all electric car, while 250-300 is necessary for an only car.

        1. SparkEV says:

          I meant 150 miles range highway + AC as the only car scenario. Most people don’t (can’t) drive over 2 hours on highway. Granted, today’s 1 hour DCFC time is bit high, but they will improve.

          If DCFC time for 150 miles gets down to 30 min, it’ll be tolerable. If it’s down to 15 min (3.2C charge rate), it will be just the same as gasoline car. By the time you order and eat donuts and coffee, it’d be more than 15 minutes.

          1. Brandon says:

            I doubt that any less than ~250 miles range on an only EV would be satisfactory for the majority of mass market consumers. Longer distance travel requires it for convenience sake.

            But I’ve heard estimates of 50-87% of BEVs will be long range 200+ mile in the next few years.

            The 50% one I heard a few weeks ago watching some testimony at CARB, so that’s an estimate for California, and the 87% estimate I read in a Navigant Research article recently, and that’s for either the U.S. or worldwide.

            1. SparkEV says:

              250 miles at 70 MPH average is over 3 hours of continuous driving. Hardly anyone would do that. About 2 hours is what most people can handle in one sitting. Giving 250 miles range will only add to cost which few can take advantage of. You wouldn’t stop after 2 hours of driving, then another stop 1 hour after to charge the car.

              Marketing will make longer range sound more attractive. But in the real world, what sells is lower price as one can see from today’s Leaf vs Bolt sales figure. I think that’s what Hyundai/Kia is going for: lowest cost EV as practical one-car home.

              1. Cody says:

                Do people really only go about 2 hours in a drive without stopping? When I take long trips (with family, wife, or friends) we go about 400 miles (at least 5 hours) without stopping. We only stop for gas and maybe a small bite to eat but we usually bring food/snacks with us. The minimum I consider a “long” trip for us is 16 hours (from where my wife and I live to where our families live) but we’ve done multiple trips up to 26 hours.

                That being said, 150 miles is enough for the vast majority of people (as shown in multiple studies). An EV with 150 miles range would suffice for the husband to have the EV and the wife to have a car with longer range, or vice versa.

                Or of course, a family could have two of these EVs and rent a car for whenever they take cross country trips.

                1. SparkEV says:

                  Since most gassers have about 400 miles range on full tank, you mean you stop every 5 hours? Your family must have bladder of steel! Or lots of yellow bottles. 😉

                  For most people, they stop after about 2 hours to stretch, take their eyes off the road to prevent road hypnosis, bio breaks, walk the dogs, etc. Some are shorter than others, but most take around 10 minutes. If DCFC can charge 150 miles in 15 minutes, that’s not much different from gasser.

              2. Brandon says:

                Mark this down: in 6-8 years around 300 mile range (and maybe more) will be the norm. People always want the biggest, best, and most convenient, especially when traveling. Mainstream consumers are going to demand it. You are I won’t, but most will.

                1. SparkEV says:

                  If the battery price goes down drastically (ie. $50/kWh, half the raw material cost) and lot lighter (ie. half of today’s weight and volume), much longer range could be the norm.

                  But I don’t see that happening any time soon. Then longer range means paying higher price for range that you’d rarely use (if ever if taking breaks every 2 hours), not to mention much heavier car.

                  1. Brandon says:

                    Obviously the most important of the two (cost and density) is cost, and in 8 years that’s expected to be half what it is now!!!
                    Density isn’t expected to quite be double, but close to it.

                    Like I said, the analysts who are knowledgeable in these things are projecting 50-87% of EVs will be long range ones.

              3. JeffD says:

                Three hours is about what it takes to get from home in western Illinois to family in northern Illinois. I make the trip probably once a month and I usually don’t stop. I don’t think I am totally out of the ordinary in doing that. According to Google Maps it is only 197 mi.

          2. Mikael says:

            150 miles woudn’t take me to and back from work + a trip to Ikea (or to a number of my nearby friends and relatives) without charging.

            That would still be a city car, something that don’t last many normal non-trip days even.

            1. SparkEV says:

              If you’re talking about extremes, even 1000 miles range wouldn’t work. Some nutjobs could wear diapers! We’re talking about most people who drive less than 50 miles commute, and sporadic long trips where they take a break from driving after about 2 hours.

              1. Dan says:

                Exactly. For most people, a road trip in the summer might mean 200-300 miles one way and they will stop once along the way for a bathroom break.

              2. Mikael says:

                I am not talking extremes, I am talking regular average people.

                You are talking extremes on the low side… People need to have some kind of illness or problem to need a stop after two hours, it is not normal.

        2. Martin Winlow says:

          No (and this from someone who has driven EVs for 8 years), the current 80-odd real-world miles of EV range is perfectly adequate for the vast majority of motorists who a/ on average only do about 30 miles a day and b/ only go on long trips barely a handful of times a year. Why on earth would you want to pay ~USD5k more for a car capable of doing twice that distance when you will hardly *ever* need it? Hire a car or swap with a friend/neighbour! Also, you are wasting a significant amount of energy all year long humping around all that extra weight. It’s – simply – DAFT!

          After this current market of longer range EVs matures, I bet sales of ‘low’ range EVs will pick up and make up a big proportion of total sales once motorists get used to the whole idea (assuming manufacturers offer shorter range vehicles as well as longer range ones for the same body – like Tesla do).

          1. Peter says:

            I concur that there is a majority of city drivers who will not have a need for much more than what we are starting to see pop out of the woodwork.

            But there is a huge case for those who rely on a bigger commute or more active days where they can’t necessarily sit around and wait for a charge. Namely considering the market in the US. There is a lot that has to change to accept this on a larger scale!

            Also, living in Texas, I can testify to very common/frequent (think 4-8 times a year) trips taking ~3-4 hours and not stopping (if one is intent on expedient arrival). I once did some hypermiling (unwittingly) and made it from the heart of Dallas, TX to the northwest part of Houston on one tank with a gas guzzling coupe. (it was scary though :))

    2. SJC says:

      I agree 150 miles is about right, I have no marketing data to support that claim but apparently neither do the car makers.

      1. SparkEV says:

        I’m not aware of any “study”, but you can extrapolate eventual battery cost (raw material is ~$100/kWh plus assembly plus markup), energy density (weight and volume), what people are likely to use (about 2 hours highway with AC/heat)) to see at what point it becomes competitive. That’s about 150 miles.

        Of course, marketing might push higher range for higher price. But then people might not want to pay such premium if lower range, cheaper EV is available.

        1. SJC says:

          Marketing is suppose to tell what the market WANTS. It is suppose to be a derived product spec.

    3. Mikael says:

      Hardly the sweetspot, that is not even bare minimum for almost anyone.

      When on a longer trip few people stop after 2 hours, more like 3-4 hours.

      In most of Europe it’s rather 75-90 mph for those who don’t have an Autobahn, where speeds obviously can be a lot higher.

      So it’s more like 270 miles.

      I assume you haven’t factored in the cold of winter either, then we can at least say an even 300 miles.

      Some people will be happy with as little as 200 miles, but it is hardly the sweet spot.

      Then to charge that in half an hour to 80% we are talking at least 160 kW countinous, possible with 400 amp @ 400 volt. But 800 volt and up to 320 kW will probably be necessary.

      1. SparkEV says:

        If money and car’s weight are no object, sure, make it 1000 miles range or more. But in the real world, everyone’s price sensitive.

        At $150/kWh pack level ($100/kWh cell) plus mark up, 240 miles (60 kWh) of Bolt size might cost $8K. Same battery in small SUV like Santa Fe may result in about 180 miles range. But to have 300 miles range, it could cost almost $20K (heaver, need more battery).

        There’s also the performance penalty for having larger, heavier battery. If price is no object, you can make it like Tesla P100DL, but that’s not going to be for most people.

        Smaller (lighter) the battery, the better, but within reason. 150 miles range (warm and cold climate) is the sweet spot.

    4. menorman says:

      I agree and in that regard, the Ioniq is already pretty much there. All they need is a little bit bigger battery, which they’re reportedly working on anyway, and it’ll be a great car for many people.

  2. M3-Reserved - Niro/Bolt TBD says:

    What is the Ionic/Niro platform considered by them?

    1. Sch says:

      I am also wondering what’s this platform than. Maybe because it is not only for EV, that could be the point.
      It was born plug-in hybrid and must use quite a lot of trunk space for battery and other compromises. same way i3 was born range extended and has wasted space under the trunk floor.
      I would also bet it uses a lot from the new Hyundai i30.

    2. menorman says:

      A trifecta.

  3. PHEV owner says:

    If I could get an electric car with a 430 mile range, it would be my only car. I think that it will happen.

    1. SparkEV says:

      If money is no object, you can already get that or more by making your own car. But if you’re price constrained like most people, there’s only so much you’ll pay beyond the typical use case.

      If your typical use is 430 miles, moving closer could be cheaper than any form of transportation.

  4. JimGord says:

    150 miles is not enough.
    GM has already set the bar at 238 EPA.

  5. Steven says:

    Another compliance car, for sale in three states, no thank you.

  6. JeffD says:

    For me 300 mi. range would be about right. I could drive about 3 hours in about any weather condition and charge stress free stopping on my time not someone else’s time decided for me by limited range or limited charging infrastructure.

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