Hyundai Estimates Electric Range For IONIQ PHEV At 32 Miles & IONIQ BEV At 155 Miles

1 year ago by Mark Kane 52

Hyundai IONIQ

Hyundai IONIQ

Hyundai IONIQ

Hyundai IONIQ

Autocar recently tested in Seoul the IONIQ hybrid (see images and videos from IONIQ’s previous unveiling), which in the near future will get both a plug-in hybrid and a pure electric version.

According to the article, the plug-in hybrid will have range of some 32 miles (nearly 52 km), while the all-electric gets 155 miles (249 km).

“The plug-in hybrid and EV versions of the Ioniq get progressively bigger battery packs that are squeezed under the boot floor and, in the EV, also replace the fuel tank. There’s no news on the size of these battery packs, but Hyundai is estimating an EV-only range of 32 miles for the PHEV and 155 miles for the EV.”

A 155-mile BEV would likely sell well if it comes in at a reasonable price point. At this time, we don’t know exactly where the 155-mile estimate comes from. Real world? NEDC? EPA?

Estimates from the data/information that had trickled out unofficially had us thinking about 120 miles (193 km) was the likely maximum real-world result, so perhaps there might be a little Euro-optimism in this number.

As for the PHEV, the IONIQ’s stablemate Sonata PHV has a 9.8 kWh battery, rated for 27 miles (43 km) of real-world/EPA range.  It seems probable to us that both cars will have similar (if not identical) battery capacities.

One other interesting bit of news is that by the 2020, Hyundai will introduce one more all-electric model.

Hyundai says it’ll offer a total of 22 new hybrid/ plug-in hybrid, BEV or FCV models by 2020 (three are already reserved for IONIQ):

  • 12 hybrids
  • 6 plug-in hybrids
  • 2 all-electric
  • 2 hydrogen fuel cell

The all-electric version of the IONIQ goes on sale in the US this fall (~September), with the plug-in version debuting in Q4.  Hyundai has stated that the car will be available nationwide.  The IONIQ plug-ins will be a global offering from the company.

Source: Autocar

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52 responses to "Hyundai Estimates Electric Range For IONIQ PHEV At 32 Miles & IONIQ BEV At 155 Miles"

  1. David Murray says:

    Somehow or another I’m expecting to see 20 miles on the PHEV when certified by the EPA.

    1. Sam EV says:

      I wouldn’t rush to judgement. The Sonata plugin-hybrid gets 27 miles all-electric range. It’s a pretty decent range for a reasonably sized vehicle with a full trunk.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        “The Sonata plugin-hybrid gets 27 miles all-electric range. It’s a pretty decent range for a reasonably sized vehicle with a full trunk.”

        Common misconception..

        it is 0-27 miles of all electric range.

        That is “mixed electric” range.

        What do you expect with only 50kW motor?

      2. Nate says:

        The trunk is smaller than the Volts, plus it is a trunk so it is less flexible. Everything else has more room, but not that. Too bad it wasn’t a wagon or cuv.

      3. Nix says:

        Rear Seats don’t fold in the Sonata PHEV (they only fold in the regular hybrid version, not the PHEV version).

        So that hurts the trunk size pretty badly.

  2. KUD says:

    32 miles for a PHEV is not bad, but it doesn’t make me want to trade in my Volt. IMHO 155 mile range seems just a bit low for a new BEV with the 200 mile crop coming

    1. tftf says:

      It all depends on pricing. 150 miles (we will have to see which cycle was used) is plenty for many people.

      Some people speculated on a 45-50kWh battery which would fit the 150 miles.

      And there will likely be more battery options int he future, just as BMW and VW will keep improving their i3 and e-Golf.

      An Ioniq (or its sister version from KIA) with 200+ miles might still arrrive as an option, we will see.

      1. Tech01x says:

        Yeah, I see your hopes of the IONIQ taking out the Model 3 fading fast…

        1. tftf says:

          “Yeah, I see your hopes of the IONIQ taking out the Model 3 fading fast…”

          There will be 10+ EVs in this price bracket by the end of this decade.

          In contrast to Tesla, large car makers can accept ultra-low margins to move these EVs at $25-35 and $40-50k at the upper end.

          Good for EVs as a category (and for EV buyers), bad for Tesla and its valuation.

          As I have said many time: The Model3 is a suicide attack, Tesla should stick to its current S / X and maybe Roadster 2.0 niche.

          Tesla entering the mass-market will break their neck, I stick to that predicition.

          1. Josh says:

            Time will tell if Tesla can make a gross margin in this category.

            On Roadster, I think you mean 3.0? Roadster 2.5 was the last version released before production stopped.

            1. tftf says:

              “Roadster 2.5 was the last version released before production stopped.”

              Yes, “Roadster 2.0” in my post refers to a completely new Roadster.

              Sorry if this was unclear.

              PS: By the way, where’s the promised Roadster 3.0 with a range of 400 miles promised for 2015? Tesla over-promising again?

              1. Josh says:

                Oops, I forgot that they used 3.0 for the “upgrade package”. So Roadster 4.0?

                The 400 miles hasn’t been realized because the aero, wheel bearing, etc. mods aren’t offered yet. I bet this shocks nobody. It looks like battery upgrades are starting to roll out and the estimated range is 340 on a full charge (see the 308 range image on 90%).

                http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/62524-Roadster-1232-First-3-0-for-sale-ever

                1. tftf says:

                  Yes, that would be 4.0 using this numbering.

                  I think Tesla would have a much better chance of survival if they stick to S / X (without fancy doors) and a new Roadster.

                  Stick to cars above $50-60k base pricing and forget about the mass market.

                  Leave the mass-market to companies like Hyundai-KIA who know how to pump out millions of cars / year reliably.

                  Tesla Energy battery storage / Model3 is a low-margin minefield full of competitors by the end of this decade, Tesla investors will find out.

                  1. Josh says:

                    So are Audi and BMW walking into the same minefield?

                    Sounds like you see Tesla being more successful as a Porsche competitor than an BMW competitor.

                    1. tftf says:

                      Audi and BMW sell about 2 million cars/year, very different economies of scale.

                      I don’t see how Tesla can stick to the $35k, a usable real-world configuration of the Model3 will likely go for $40-50k and upwards (and likely Supercharger access as one extra).

          2. jh says:

            2 words; supercharger networks. Just saying

            1. tftf says:

              Superchargers?

              Do you really think that the $35k Model3 buyers will get access?

              If so, how will people make money?

              My prediction:

              Tesla either limits “free” access to a few visits per year or starts charging in general (per visit, month or year – we will see).

              Bottom line: The current “free forever” system won’t work with low-end Model3 cars – either charge per use OR charge an optional lump sump again on top of car pricing – probably more than last time, let’s say $3000-5000.

              But will Model3 owners want to pay so much upfront? Very different buyers and income brackets than average Model S/X buyers.

              If not? I will get popcorn and watch the fist fights when Model S and X buyers (many of whom paid $100K or above per car) have to wait in once low-end Model3 cars hog the SC stations.

              1. tftf says:

                Should say: If so, how will TESLA make money?

                1. PVH says:

                  “The Model3 is a suicide attack”.

                  For sure at a $35K price point.

                  Not so sure at a $45-50K price point.

                  So I think it is quite likely we will see very few base $35k models on the roads and that bulk of sales will be the $45-50K models.

                2. Get Real says:

                  How will Tesla make money?

                  Well they will make money by building a COMPELLING long-range EV in the mid-price segment with the COMPELLING advantage of being able to conveniently Supercharge on long trips, something the laggard OEMs have failed to figure out.

                  Just like they did with the Model S they will probably upsell the hell out of the Model 3 and the vast majority will not be base models at $35k.

                  I’m sure the Model 3 will be best compared to its target the BMW 3 series of which very few sold are base models.

                  Also, Tesla will also have a large advantage in both battery costs and battery volumes due to the Giga Factory by 2020 vis a vis the competition. Remember, battery costs are the single largest cost of an EV.

              2. Josh says:

                Why would expanding the network not scale the same on a per vehicle basis with Model 3 as Model S?

                Let’s say it is $2k per vehicle (the previous upgrade cost on the 60 kWh). 50k Model S would mean $100 million added into the program in 2015. Just to scale things lets say Tesla sells 200k Model 3 in one year, that would add $400 million into the program.

                Are you saying that on a per car basis, the Model 3s will need more kWh from the SuperCharger system?

          3. s says:

            “In contrast to Tesla, large car makers can accept ultra-low margins to move these EVs at $25-35 and $40-50k at the upper end.”

            Exactly the opposite is true. If large car makers accept ultra-low margins to move EVs in volumes large enough to hurt Tesla, they would be hurting their own competing gas models in that segment.

            1. tftf says:

              s, car companies don’t have any trouble moving cheap/mass-market ICE sedans and SUVs lately.

              If you deny that, you haven’t looked at sales recently. SUV/Cross-over sales are are all-time-highs globally.

              1. Josh says:

                That is why there are no plug-in SUVs. Nobody is going to jeopardize those margins.

              2. Get Real says:

                Which is exactly why Tesla rolled out the Model X and the high end and will have a Model 3 based crossover in the mid-range in this time frame.

          4. zzzzzzzzzz says:

            Entering mass-market is the only chance for Tesla to survive. They can’t break even just on low volume premium models, R&D eats all profit margins and some more, and they can stop R&D and sell the same obsolete cars for decades.

            1. tftf says:

              Z…., so how does Porsche survive at about 150-250k units/year and among the highest margins in the car industry in recent years?

              Yes, they can offload some costs to daddy VW, but still these costs are calculated at arm’s length.

              1. Nate says:

                I’d figure being part of VW group makes a big difference, not just “some”.

                1. tftf says:

                  “I’d figure being part of VW group makes a big difference, not just “some”.”

                  Yes, but Porsche still has to pay for these services and all the internal value generated (as any other VW brand within the group).

          5. Get Real says:

            Anti-Tesla, short selling troll tftf once again tries to lamely spread his FUD here. While I hope that there are “10 plus” competing long-range EVs by 2020, I’m not holding my breath. When it comes to the German OEMs in particular talk is very cheap and their endless parade of announcements doesn’t cut it IMO.

            1. Phr3d says:

              Get Real said, unsurprisingly:
              “Anti-Tesla, short selling troll tftf”

              One
              try
              to convince you that you add Nothing to your supremely informed argument with these statements..

              My first line will NOW read:
              Hopelessly uninformed, impervious to reasoned information, endlessly contrarian about the Slightest possibility of Tesla not singularly re-defining perfection in every imaginable and/or beyond imaginable way TROLL Get Real said:

              Get the Real drift, friend?

              Spiegel’s ‘drift’ Definitely approaches ahem, self-interest, CSC seems to like churn on all things Tesla.. else? (i.e., all others?) your limited imagination is getting the best of you.

      2. R.S. says:

        It will probably be 100-110 miles EPA. Their Soul has 125 miles of range in South Korea. So they will probably use the Soul battery in a more efficient car.

  3. R.S. says:

    Oh no, the Ioniq will be another Leaf… 250 km NEFZ is exactly what the 30kWh Leaf has. EPA range makes for bad advertising, especially since small EVs have a more than huge advantage at the NEFZ. Lets hope it will at least be cheap…

  4. Nix says:

    155 would have been great.

    Last year.

    Now anything less than 200 miles is shooting too low. 200 is the new “you must be at least this tall to ride this ride”.

    It does look pretty good though. Sorta BMW X4 inspired roofline.

    1. Alex says:

      If it costs 8.000 dollar less than the Bolt than GM looks old they not offering 40 kWh! There was survey under some thousand EV drivers a year ago and 150 miles around 29.000 Dollar was most attractive configuration, not 200 mile around 36.000 dollar!
      Also Hyundai will be full equiped, whatever the price is and GM is 37.500 wihtout DC charging port, who knows what else is lacking.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        “Also Hyundai will be full equiped, whatever the price is and GM is 37.500 wihtout DC charging port, who knows what else is lacking.”

        How do you know that Hyundai will be fully equipped and Bolt will be barebone?

        Please show me exact reference for that. I would like to know.

        “I guess” isn’t sufficient as proof in my opinion

  5. Andrew says:

    Since the Sonata PHEV gets 27 EPA miles out of the same battery pack it looks like these are EPA-ish numbers. 32 miles from the same capacity in a lighter, more aerodynamic car is entirely plausible.

    If so, this is probably a 40 kWh usable pack for the BEV. If priced right ($29,995 before incentives sounds nice) there’s certainly a market for a 150 mile EPA BEV.

  6. Josh says:

    When is this due to be available in the US?

  7. ModernMarvelFan says:

    I think people keep confusing the fact that “all electric” range in those PHEV isn’t the same as “all electric” range as in the Volt.

    It is more Prius Plugin like where it is 0-27 miles of electric miles where if you drive step on it or trying to go up a steep hill, the engine will come on as in the case of Sonata PHEV.

    1. Murrysville EV says:

      If what you say is true, I might just stick with either the hybrid or the EV version (preferably in the form of the Kia Niro).

      I prefer my plug-in vehicles to not have a gas engine turning on.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        How far or how fast do you think 50kW motor will go in a Sonata PHEV?

        Unless Niro has a major upgrade, it won’t be Volt like.

        It is at most an Energi like PHEV.

  8. WARREN says:

    Sometimes I think that it would be doable to have 32 miles of plug in range in a PHEV. But then I realize with only a 50kw motor in a heavy car, the EV driving experience will be adequate, but definitely not sporty. I think the acceleration in a pure BEV is one of the most rewarding aspects of driving one.

  9. Ct200h says:

    Possible they are using the same 2 packs as the Hyundai phev and the Kia Soul ev?

    That would mean the 150 estimate ndec

  10. Mikael says:

    So if we go by those numbers then the BEV should be rather in the 110-125 miles EPA range.

    30-35 kWh?

  11. Ct200h says:

    Yes that would be my guess , I just don’t see a long range ev here.
    It stretches farther than the soul because of lower drag

  12. Steven says:

    If it can get a solid 155, has FCDC, and the price is reasonable (considering my current Sonata) it’s going to make it an interesting decision between it and the Model 3.

  13. JimGord says:

    Drop the hydrogen version – total waste of time and resources

  14. jstack6 says:

    JG ,I agree stop wasting time and money on H2.
    Hyundai does have the only lifetime battery warranty on their PHEV that means the 100% Electric could also have a 20-30 years battery life. Our KIA SOUL EV (Hyundai family) seems to have a great battery with no lose at all after a HOT Phoenix Summer.

  15. midimal says:

    Ok so KIA-Soul was only a test vehicle for Hyundai IONIQ PHEV & EV 🙂

  16. James says:

    You know what cracks me up when folks like tftf prognosticate about the death of Tesla due to legacy ICE-makers putting out tons of low/no margin 200 mile electrics? They are still thinking in the past tense. Don’t worry, I’ve been guilty of this before also. We know what we know from what has transpired in history. And Tesla breaks every mold we are familiar with.

    Explanation: What other automaker does not pay for mixed media advertising? What other automaker came swiftly out of the gates to sell SOLELY ELECTRIC CARS not stemming from economy, eco and legislative messages – BUT PURELY AS AN EXCITING, SEXY, NEXT-PHASE, NEW THINK product for which there is no rival?!!!

    You see – Tesla isn’t showing ads of wind turbines and daisies, rain forests and polar bears. Tesla puts out a fast, fast, fast ( oh, and did I say, “FAST”?! ), sexy, exciting car that is also more capable, more practical and more appealing to young buyers than it’s luxury competition. To many in the industry, it makes no sense to start from the top and “trickle down” to the mainstream, middle-class car buyer. But isn’t that what the industry has always done with anti-lock brakes, luxury and convenience features? The expensive fancy stuff comes out on their top-level models and luxury divisions…And soon, forced by competition, those features end up on lower and lower-priced models. Until you can buy a $17,000 subcompact with nav and an infotainment system!

    So it only makes sense that the same psychology works to sell mass quantities of your product based upon excitement and innovation. There’s nothing more exciting to modern folk than high tech. And no matter how many laser braking systems or fancy infotainment systems you bolt onto a gas car – IT’S – STILL – A – GAS – CAR. Basically, 19th century tech.

    So while many detractors feel Tesla’s upside is waning. Literally NOBODY ELSE has taken their approach to winning the public over to electric wheels. Tesla is so, “cool” right now – when their $30,000 model appears, droves of car buyers will race past the conventional auto franchises on their way to pick up that Tesla. Why? Years of preparation of how cool it is to own one.

    I talk to teens and kids about cars all the time. They all know Tesla. Just like when I was a kid and drew Corvettes and Ferraris on my notebook at school. When you were a kid, you didn’t draw pictures of Pintos, Vegas and Corollas! 🙂 OEMs are not out to build compliance performance cars. They are all falling into established lines of building Bolts and LEAFs. Yesterday, someone had the gall to call the i3 a “performance car”!!!

    HAHAHAHAHA! In a videotaped test by Autocar.UK, they raced a $17,000 Suzuki hatchback against an i3 around a track. The 4cyl. SUZUKI subcompact had a CVT – and beat the i3 around the track BY EIGHT SECONDS! To those not in the know, 8 seconds is an eternity in racing. So stop with the “i3 is a performance car” hogwash, OK?

    Tesla will flourish because – in short – It is an exciting company run by an eccentric billionaire tech mogul who owns a space company, who goes about his plan to revolutionize autodom in an absolutely unprecedented way, vs. an entrenched auto industry going about electrification in a passion-less, mediocre fashion based upon government regulations placed upon them.

    Period.

  17. Get Real says:

    Bravo James, well said!