Hyundai Confirms 200-Mile EV For 2018, 250-Miler For 2020*

1 year ago by Mark Kane 55

Hyundai IONIQ Electric

Hyundai IONIQ Electric

Hyundai IONIQ Electric

Hyundai IONIQ Electric

Even before the all-electric IONIQ hits the market, Hyundai is already looking ahead to its next, longer-range BEVs.

According to an Autoblog interview with Byung Ki Ahn, Hyundai’s director of eco-vehicle performance development group, intends to launch:

  • 200 miles (320 km) range BEV by 2018
  • 250 miles (400 km) range BEV by 2020

Current approach of IONIQ Electric stand at estimated 110 miles/177 km of range using a 28 kWh battery.

Of course to achieve 200 miles, Hyundai would need to move towards a 50-60 kWh pack – not something easily done without a “ground-up” plug-in project.

One thing we do have to note in regards to this report, is that Hyundai is historically a ‘touch‘ optimistic with their range forecasts for its EVs.  Just this past February, Hyundai was pegging the IONIQ all-electric at 155 miles of range, which ended up being some ~41% more than the actual rating of 110 miles of real world/EPA driving distance.

Using our “Hyundai mileage decoder ring” we translate the future benchmarks as follows:

  • 200 miles (320 km)  142 miles (229 km) range BEV by 2018
  • 250 miles (400 km)  177 miles (285 km) range BEV by 2020

Still a marked improvement in the near term, that we will gladly accept!

source: Autoblog

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55 responses to "Hyundai Confirms 200-Mile EV For 2018, 250-Miler For 2020*"

  1. kdawg says:

    To little too late. Crack the whips.

  2. Mathias says:

    Wonderful news! The competition is heating up!

    1. Rich says:

      +1
      If these are EPA numbers, this is fantastic news.

  3. bro1999 says:

    200+ miles or GTFO!

    1. EVBlogger says:

      Take a chill pill bro, One model on company doesnot provide full momentum. more companies on board will help the momentum.
      its better to have options, May not be best for u.

  4. nakedChimp says:

    competition?
    This is “Me too”..

    1. Nom de Plume says:

      Please explain the difference.

      1. Anon says:

        “Me too” simply follows along. Compliance EV’s that are not available in all US States, fit this term.

        “Competition”, meets, then exceeds & pushes the utility of the product envelope. In this case, a significant range increase would be viewed as being ‘competitive’.

        1. Samwise says:

          You guys all act like the US is the only market on the planet and the only place EV’s are being designed and built for.
          HINT: The reason you have never seen an Outlander PHEV when 100k of them have been sold is because your not, your simply not the most lucrative EV market.
          Hyundai will be designing for Korea first, Europe second and somwhere way down the tree the US… Exactly like most of the Japanese manufacturers do.
          They are not failing to copy Tesla, they are simply designing and building to a different set of requirements and 200+ miles on the US cycle is not really one of them.

    2. Mathias says:

      It is competition for the dollars of the EV car buyer.

  5. ffbj says:

    Terror, has a way of focusing the mind. The mind, the mind…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xue5iGIoTtA
    Oh don’t mind me.

  6. Kosee says:

    If the insideevs hyundai calculator is correct then we can just assume they’ll put higher density cells in the Ioniq every 2 years and call it a day.

    I think a lot of the OEMs are going to do this. It’s easy to put higher density cells in the same place. Long range eGolf? No problem! Etc…

    1. Mathias says:

      I don’t see how we can assume higher density cells every two years. Is past performance really a guarantee of future success?

  7. SparkEV says:

    Even at 150 miles, pricing will determine how revolutionary it will be. If priced under $20K USD before subsidy, that’ll be a killer deal. Currently, it seems only SparkEV on sale is under $20K as seen in autotrader.

    1. super390 says:

      For this to come so soon, it’s got to be an upgraded Ioniq. You wouldn’t put longer range on a smaller EV while you’re still stuck with the Ioniq. So it will cost more than $20,000.
      But I think 142 real miles is pretty attractive. In a small country that might be ideal for the price.

    2. Speculawyer says:

      Yeah, I think there is definitely a market for 150 mile range vehicles. They will need to cost less than the 200+ mile range vehicles but a 150 mile vehicle at the right price would be great.

      We’ve been putting up with ~80 mile range EVs that were not cheap. But they work just fine for commuter vehicles.

    3. EVguy says:

      WTF is it with yoyo and always, and I means always comparing everything with your Spark EV? Really do you sleep with that thing? I ask because your universe seems to center around this. Geeezzzz. Anyone else notice this or am I just being an AHole?

      1. Anon says:

        Do not mock the man who still cherishes his first love.

        1. sven says:

          I believe his first love was a hybrid Prius. That relationship did not end well. 🙁

  8. pjwood1 says:

    More evidence we might skip the “EREV Era”. Sad, because we are a long way from sports endurance and density. A well developed 50-70 mile EREV would, IMO, be ~10 years ahead of what we have now.

    We need an i8, with a lot more battery and no more weight.

    1. Chris O says:

      So you basically mean i3REx. Rather slow selling I’m afraid…

  9. Bill Howland says:

    Kia was supposed to have a ‘Volt-Killer’ years ago, plus a small EV years ago, even years before the SOUL EV, which is still unavailable in my area.

    So I would hope they don’t change their minds again.

    Or is this just to get HYUNDAI/KIA some free Tesla-styled advertising?

    1. Speculawyer says:

      I think there is a Sonata PHEV, right?

    2. James says:

      You can’t advertise vapor.

      When automakers from Germany, Japan or S. Korea make these claims so far out – Remember Infinity and their on-again, off-again, on-again and off-again LE electric luxury sedan?

      They can build concepts, show drawings – but it’s all vapor until we see mules with camouflage testing on public roads.

      Tesla Effect. I call this the Tesla Effect. Tesla got big splashy news stories with their M3 unveil and subsequent 380,000
      pre-orders. Hyundai wants to compete. The more the merrier. But talk is just talk.

      1. Anon says:

        Um… VW has been pushing Vapor for years, dude.

  10. Someone out there says:

    I’m pretty sure those numbers are according to JC08 or some other pure fantasy standard. 142 miles isn’t that great in 2018 but at least it’s an improvement. 177 in 2020 likewise will be one of the weakest numbers when all other manufacturers are aiming at 250-300 miles.

    1. Jeff N says:

      I’m not so sure. The Ioniq 155 mile estimate was no mystery — it came from an article written for and published on a UK website where mileage estimates would naturally always be based on the European NEDC tests unless clearly stated otherwise. EPA tests usually come out loosely around 70% of NEDC on the same vehicle.

      In this case, the original article comes from AutoBlog published in the US and Hyundai is a Korean company. Korea uses EPA-based test cycles and domestic Korean estimates for cars are about the same as EPA or even just slightly less. There is no reason from reading the original article to think that these 200 and 250 mile numbers are based on JC08 which are the Japanese test cycles that give high estimates similar to NEDC.

      It would be nice if auto journalists would be more explicit about how to interpret the mileage estimates they type up but this often seems to require too much effort.

  11. Rick Danger says:

    The biggest improvement is no mention of the F and C words, or the H word 🙂

  12. Vexar says:

    Congrats for showing some initiative, Hyundai! Now if only you could stop subsidizing the car button industry, that’s intimidating. Put more into your touchscreen, please. Like the AC controls.

  13. sean says:

    “Hyundai Confirms it will take them 4 more years to achieve what Tesla did over 3 years ago”

    1. leafowner says:

      Albeit hopefully at a lower price,,,,but RIGHT

  14. Murrysville EV says:

    Too little time between these increases, and announcing them ahead of time only means that people will wait to purchase.

    Since the Ioniq EV isn’t due for a year (?), the longer-range version arrives only a year later. Trade-in values will be awful.

  15. William says:

    Hyundai may be the price point leader in the 150-200 mi. EV segment by 2020. But if you want quality assurance beyond their warranty period, well, your going to have to make some sacrifices. The Kia Soul EV-e (where available) has turned out to be a good lease value over the Nissan Leaf S and Volkswagen e-Golf SE.

    Who will be the market leader in volume production, in the under $50K EV segment, by 2020? This should get interesting as Tesla ramps up its Model 3 production. I am hoping they can get their production numbers up to surpass the competition in the under $50K price segment by 2018 and keep them there well past 2020. The Model 3 and its anticipated generous market share is what the Majors will target and attempt to chip away at beyond model year 2020. GM won’t do it with the Bolt as it is no where near a Model 3 in its value proposition.

    1. Terawatt says:

      You can rest assured the KIA is not a competitor though, since both brands are one and the same company.

    2. Terawatt says:

      How can you tell what value proposition the Bolt is versus Model 3? What assumptions are you basing that on?

      Very soon, and for at least a year after that, more likely two most places in the world, a key aspect of the Bolt value proposition will be that it actually exists in the real world. That will be more than can be said of the Model 3, even if one feels certain that “nothing can possibly go wrong” with that project.

      I have an M3 reservation and I am hopeful that Tesla will deliver and do so soon. I admit my desire for a Model 3 is considerably greater than for a Bolt. And yet, there are several things that could happen that could make me reconsider.

      First, I may not be sure that Tesla can deliver Model 3 before important tax benefits for EVs are rolled back in my market (Norway). I think these benefits will be rolled back over many years, but it isn’t actually clear yet what the situation will be from 2018 onwards. If taxes anywhere near those normally paid for a car are reintroduced I cannot afford a Model 3 and would be very much smarter to buy an Ampera-e in 2017 while the incentives are still in place.

      Another thing that could happen is I could decide to get a dog. Or get a girlfriend who has a dog. This would immediately disqualify the M3 as an alternative since I couldn’t very well stick the dog in the boot – I would need a hatchback. In this case too, the Bolt is the obvious go-to alternative.

      Lastly, I don’t see how we can be so sure Chevy won’t lower the price of the Bolt by the time Model 3 becomes widely available. After all the Bolt looks to be completely in a class of its own for 2017, and if that is the case, wouldn’t it be rather silly of Chevy not to charge a premium?!?

      I am not saying Chevy can make the Bolt more cheaply than Tesla can make the M3. I don’t know what their costs are and won’t pretend I do. My point is simply that making bombastic statements about the value proposition made by the two cars is way too early. And, as my dog example hopefully shows, the Model 3 isn’t necessarily a better value proposition than the Bolt to everyone, even if prices in 2018-19 or whenever both are available should prove to be the same as at introduction for both vehicles.

      1. floydboy says:

        Put the dog in the back seat, like a lot of people do?
        Or, if the seats fold flat, put the dog in the now spacious area in the back.

        1. sven says:

          After watching that video clip today of the sleeping guy in the Model S driving on Autopilot, why not put the dog in the drivers seat with Autopilot on while you take a nap in the back with the seats folded down. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      2. Woochifer says:

        I have a feeling that GM’s pricing will change once their allotment of federal tax credits begins to phase out. They are promoting the Bolt as a “$30k” car, and I would guess they won’t deviate too much from that price point.

        By comparison, Tesla has been touting the Model 3 as a “$35k” car, knowing full well that they won’t get too far into the reservation list before their federal tax credits start to phase out.

        At this juncture, it’s pointless to compare “value proposition” between the Model 3 and Bolt. We don’t know what the base models will actually include, or how much the various options will cost.

        Also, the Bolt has already undergone test production runs, and is on target to launch by the end of the year. The Model 3 remains a prototype at this point, with no definitive launch date. Tesla doesn’t exactly have an exemplary history of launching on schedule, and they did not make a lot of the “$60k” base models available before discontinuing that configuration.

  16. sven says:

    Just for comparison, Hyundai will have a 500 mile range hydrogen FCV by 2020.

    http://insideevs.com/hyundai-planning-new-dedicated-fuel-cell-suv/

    1. Speculawyer says:

      Great . . . people can buy the car, drive it 500 miles, and then abandon it because there is no hydrogen fueling station.

      1. sven says:

        With a 500 mile range people can drive 380 miles nonstop from Los Angeles to San Fransisco, spend a nice 3-day weekend there driving around to see the sights, then fill up in 3-5 minutes and drive nonstop back to Los Angeles.

        There are 15 hydrogen fueling stations in the Los Angeles area and 5 in the San Fransisco area to fill up at.

    2. Terawatt says:

      Yeah, we’ll see about that.

      What was Toyotas projected loss per Mirai again..? $200,000?

      I wish they’d sell ten thousand of it, because that ought to be enough to break their back completely. What a load of hogwash.

      1. sven says:

        You’re making that up. Toyota is breaking even on the Mirai.

        1. Not including the decades and billions and billions of dollars in research, the cost per Toyota hydrogen car was reportedly $97,000.

  17. Speculawyer says:

    Hey Toyota, it looks like your South Korean fuel cell car buddy has a new interest.

  18. Terawatt says:

    177 miles by 2020? Not exactly impressed. Makes the Bolt look incredible though!

    More than 200 miles late 2016. I frankly expect it to be more than 210, and dare to hope for nearer 220 than 210. If it simply matches the Leaf on efficiency, it should go 214 miles (since the Leaf gets 107 miles from 30 kWh).

    220 miles this year versus 177 miles in four years. And with batteries being perhaps 30-40% more energy dense and 50% cheaper then than now.

    How the HELL can this be the best the Koreans can manage?!? It looks a lot like dragging their feet to me.

  19. Delta says:

    All carmakers are willing to watch Tesla build the Model 3 and wait and see. GM’s Bolt is the only real attempt by any carmaker to meet the challenge except for the Super Charger.

    It looks like they can’t face the reality of the situation. Do they and their shareholders really think that they will be building gas mobiles in 2030?

  20. Jychevyvolt says:

    Will Hyundai and Kia each get 200,000 federal tax credit?

    1. Rick Danger says:

      Good question. And does Chevy get 200,000 by itself, or are they all under GM?

  21. Rick Bronson says:

    Great news.
    I believe this is in response to Model ≡ and Bolt.

    As the price of battery goes down, the automakers are getting the opportunity to build 200 mile range EVs.

    1. Peter says:

      How do you type ≡ without copy/pasting it? Some ASCII character code?

      1. Rick Danger says:

        Hold the Alt key down and type 240

        1. Rick Danger says:

          type 240 on the number pad.

  22. At the current pace of Toyota hydrogen car sales, I don’t even think they’re going to make their basic emission requirement quarters.

    Even for all these companies that are hell-bent on having hydrogen in the future, wouldn’t it just be easier to make a really good electric car today?

    Wouldn’t those really good electric cars sell really well if there was fast charging infrastructure?

    Wouldn’t they then be able to meet their ultimate goal of selling oodles and oodles of gasoline and diesel powered cars at huge profit margins?

    Trying to push the hydrogen round car through the emission square peg doesn’t make sense to me.

  23. Woochifer says:

    Given Hyundai’s history of fudging EV range, fuel economy, and horsepower specs, color me skeptical of anything that Hyundai “intends to launch.”