Hybrids, PHEV and EVs Too Quiet?

5 years ago by Marc Lee 6

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This article from Slate points to some numbers from a NHTSA report that reportedly show that Hybrids and EVs are more dangerous to pedestrians:

 

That’s because NHTSA studies in 2009 (pdf) and 2011 (pdf) confirmed what many long suspected: Hybrids and electric cars are too quiet for the blind or even the fully sighted to hear them coming. Though the NHTSA found little statistically significant difference in collisions over 35 mph—when wind and tire noise negate the difference in engine noise—at lower speeds, hybrids and electric vehicles are 37 percent more likely to hit walkers and 66 percent more likely to collide with cyclists than traditional gas-powered cars.

 

NHTSA is tasked with starting the process to develop rules for “minimum” car noise this summer.

If the studies above are valid I guess it is necessary, but alas consider the joy of walking through cities like NYC or SF in the not so distant EV dominated future and hearing only the gentle hum of tire on asphalt.  I wonder if in fact, in that quieter atmosphere if EVs don’t already make enough to be heard, its only the din of all the existing gas engines the covers up their softer foot falls.

The BMW i8 Spyder features sound generation, which is cool at first, but I could see it being annoying after a while, and certainly the combined cacophony of scores of EVs with generated sound would be downright irritating.

NHTSA suggests that volume levels below what most gassers produce would be sufficient to warn pedestrians.

6 responses to "Hybrids, PHEV and EVs Too Quiet?"

  1. I’ve had a good number of discussions with the electric vehicle managers over at BMW about this and I’ve practically begged them to really consider if this is necessary before they willingly accept that EV’s need artificial noise.

    The MINI-E and ActiveE programs have been ongoing for a combined three years now and the cars have logged over 5 million total miles and to my knowledge, and to the knowledge of the electric vehicle program managers, not once has there been a vehicle to pedestrian accident.

    The EV industry is so new, there just isn’t any credible data to prove quiet electric vehicle pose a greater risk to pedestrians. Can’t we at least have a real study done before we rush to legislate?

    Anyway, it looks like BMW listened to me because they just announced they don’t plan to use artificial noise on the i3 when it comes out next year because they don’t believe it’s necessary.
    Of course if the government forces them to add it, there is nothing they can do.
    http://canberratimes.drive.com.au/motor-news/silent-ev-not-a-safety-threat-says-bmw-20120514-1ylyr.html

    1. Delta says:

      I think it would be easy for some sound engineer to mock up the street noise that a pedestrian would hear in some distopian future where EVs comprise 25 percent of the traffic. It would be very informative to those making policy. It seems that technology available to hearing impaired today or in the near future would be a more appropriate solution to this – an iphone app that identifies oncoming traffic or dangerous situations.

      Ocourse it would be funny to see something like ‘DAS AUTO’ coming out of a german car. And ‘Zoom Zoom’ from a nissan.

  2. Marc Lee says:

    Thanks for sharing that Tom. My first thought was that I find the NHTSA numbers hard to believe. The question before now is do I really want to wade through the reports, just to go “yup their right?” 🙂

    1. The sample of quiet cars on the road is so small. All I’m saying is there just isn’t a need to rush to legislation until we really know for sure if LEAF’s, Volt’s, Tesla’s, etc are more likely to have a pedestrian accident. Then look closely at the data. Perhaps backing out of a parking spot is responsible for a large percentage of theses incidents. If so, then I would certainly support a backup beeper.
      I’ve been driving electric vehicles for three years now and I honestly haven’t even come close to hitting anyone walking. I PAY ATTENTION when I’m driving. I’m not texting, using a cell phone, putting on makeup(thank God), programming a GPS, etc while I’m supposed to be concentrating on the road. It’s not the pedestrians responsibility to jump out of the way of my car, it’s my responsibility to drive properly and not put peoples lives in danger.
      Anyway, half the people walking have some sort of earphone on and are talking on a cell phone or listening to music themselves. Why should I have to make my car scream so loud they can hear it over their MP3 player?

      1. Marc Lee says:

        “Then look closely at the data. Perhaps backing out of a parking spot is responsible for a large percentage of theses incidents. If so, then I would certainly support a backup beeper.”

        That’s a good thought. Really some serious analysis of the data is needed. It does seem there is a strong push to do something before we even understand the nature of the problem, IF there even is a problem.

        Have this notion of the stereotypical EV driver being someone who is much more consciencious about their driving. As in, looking to extend range, not looking to get there as quick as possible, so the NHTSA numbers seemingly don’t fit with my notion at all.

  3. LewG says:

    My 2011 Leaf has a noise generation, but I can turn it off. Unfortunately it also turns off the back-up chime, which I like. The 2012 Leaf does not include the feature to turn it off. This is probably why the car comes with such a wimpy horn. You can use it to warn a pedestrian without scaring him to death. I replaced my horns with real car horns as a safety feature in my city’s crazy traffic. I also added a “Bermuda Bell” to warn pedestrians and bicyclists and it works very well.