89-Mile Honda Clarity Electric To Be Offered As $269/Month Lease-Only In Just California & Oregon

2 months ago by Eric Loveday 71

2017 Honda Clarity Electric EV

2017 Honda Clarity Electric EV

Lease-only and only offered in two U.S. states. That’s how Honda rolls these days.

Still stuck on hydrogen fuel cell cars and eager to complain to the public in regards to how difficult it is to sell electric cars with gas prices cheap, Honda has decided to make its Clarity BEV a lease-only offering with availability in only two states when it rolls out this September.

The 89-mile EV (old estimate was for just 80 miles when priced) isn’t all that enticing due to its very limited range (and reportedly high price of $35,000), so we suppose it’s not a big loss that Honda has decided to make it such a limited availability item.

Here are the juicy lease details on Honda’s compliance-level-only Clarity BEV:

  • $269 per month for 36 months
  • $1,999 down payment (first month of lease payment included)
  • 20,000 miles per year
  • 25.5 kWh lithium battery
  • 120 kW (161-horsepower) electric motor
  • 114 MPGe

The figures seem attractive enough – and we should the note the Clarity is a larger sedan than most other plug-in options available today, but with its highly limited range of only 89 miles (according to Honda), we don’t assume the Clarity BEV will be flying off any lots in California or Oregon, the only two states in which it will be offered.

And then there’s this from Honda:

No purchase option at lease end.

It is basically the second coming of the Honda Fit EV…which was a limited run (1,100 units sold over 2.5 years), 82 mile (EPA) California lease-only product (for $259/$0 down).  The Fit EV was also originally released in California and Oregon, before expanding to other CARB states (Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maryland, New York, and New Jersey).

Honda Clairty Electric – Shown in New York, but not available in New York

Honda released some details on charging times too:

  • Level 1 – 19 hours
  • Level 2 – 3 hours
  • Level 3 DC – 80% in 30 minutes

Inside The Honda Clarity

Why did Honda go with such a small range?  Steve Center, vice president of environmental business development at American Honda Motor, told InsideEVs it was “very deliberate”.

“Well, Center said, that’s (Clarity BEV) for the purists who want to charge at home and only want to drive on electric power. Honda’s history with the Fit EV, he said, proves that 80 miles is enough for this crowd. Adding more range would increase costs, and Honda doesn’t want to do that.”

We’d suggest you steer clear of this compliance EV for obvious reasons. Let’s hope that eventually Honda will actually join the EV movement, rather than just complying to get by.

Full press blast below:

Available August, Honda Announces 2017 Clarity Electric Lease Price at $269 a Month

Jun 12, 2017 – TORRANCE, Calif.

Five-passenger, zero-emissions electric vehicle available August 2017 in California and Oregon

Competitive lease package includes attractive annual 20,000 mile allowance and 24/7 roadside assistance

Honda today announced a competitive introductory lease price of $269 a month for 36 months (plus tax) for the 2017 Honda Clarity Electric sedan, which is coming to select dealerships in California and Oregon August 20171. The lease terms include an attractive allowance of 20,000 miles per year and 24/7 roadside assistance. The lease, which has a federal tax credit built in, requires $1,730 down, plus the first month’s lease payment at signing (not including tax, registration or official fees)2. In addition, California customers qualify for the state’s Clean Vehicle Rebate of $2,500.

“The Clarity Electric is the only affordable five-passenger EV sedan with all the technology, and safety and premium features a consumer expects today, including Honda Sensing® as standard equipment,”said Steve Center, vice president of the Connected and Environmental Business Development Office at American Honda Motor Co., Inc. “Honda customers have been asking for a true five-passenger sedan and we are pleased to make this a reality at an affordable lease price, enabling more consumers the opportunity to take home a zero-emissions vehicle.”

The Clarity Electric is powered by a 161-horsepower (120-kilowatt) electric motor producing 221 lb.-ft. of torque and drawing power from a 25.5-kWh battery pack. The vehicle can be fully charged in just over three hours at 240 volts, and when using DC fast charging with the SAE Combined Charging System, it can achieve an 80 percent charge in just 30 minutes. The model has an EPA range rating of 89 miles on a full charge3, and an EPA fuel economy rating of 126/103/114 MPGe (city/highway/combined)3.

The Clarity Electric, Clarity Fuel Cell, launched in December 2016, and the Clarity Plug-in Hybrid, arriving later in 2017, make Clarity the first ever vehicle series offering customers an array of electrified vehicle choices in a sophisticated, spacious and comprehensively equipped five-passenger sedan. The Clarity series will contribute to the company’s target that two-thirds of its global automobile sales will come from electrified vehicles by 2030.

Honda Clarity Series
As the next progression of Honda’s dynamic styling for electrified products, each Clarity variant has a low, wide aerodynamic body with unique design elements, including its own special hero color, and differentiated front styling, headlights, tail lamps, non-compromised trunk space, Honda Sensing standard and 18-inch alloy wheel designs. Combined with elegant and advanced exterior styling, each Clarity series vehicle has a spacious interior with comfortable seating for five adults, outfitted with premium, environmentally responsible materials.

Offering Honda’s “fun-to-drive”DNA, each Clarity variant provides a smooth, quiet and highly refined driving experience, aided by the smooth and seamless character of electric drive torque and acceleration. The Clarity series, Honda’s platform for advanced technology powertrains, also features advanced technologies, including Display Audio with Android Auto™ and Apple CarPlay™, and the full suite of Honda Sensing® safety and driver-assistive technologies.

With three different powertrains and luxury packaging, this shared “3-in-1″platform strategy will enable Honda to respond to infrastructure and market developments, provide customers nationwide with an ultra-low carbon vehicle that meets their lifestyle needs, and will take Honda toward higher volume sales of advanced powertrain products that will help reduce CO2 emissions.

About Honda
Honda offers a full line of reliable, fuel-efficient and fun-to-drive vehicles with advanced safety technologies sold through over 1,000 independent U.S. Honda dealers. The Honda lineup includes the Fit, Civic, Accord and Clarity series passenger cars, along with the HR-V, CR-V and Pilot sport/utility vehicles, the Ridgeline pickup and the Odyssey minivan. Honda has been producing automobiles in America for 34 years and currently operates 19 major manufacturing facilities in North America. In 2016, more than 96 percent of all Honda vehicles sold in the U.S. were made in North America, using domestic and globally sourced parts.

# # #

1 2017 Clarity Electric expected to arrive at select Honda dealerships August 1, 2017.
2 Includes down payment with no security deposit. Excludes taxes, registration, license and dealer fees. For well qualified lessees. Subject to availability to California and Oregon residents on approved credit through Honda Financial Services. Closed end lease for 2017 Honda Clarity Electric for well qualified lessees. Not all applicants will qualify. No purchase option at lease end. Total monthly payments $9,684. Lessee responsible for maintenance, excessive wear/tear, and 20 cents per mile over 20,000 miles per year. Lease includes Roadside Assistance. Total due at lease signing is $1,999 plus tax and registration and includes first month’s payment and capitalized cost reduction of $1,730. Offer subject to change without notice.
3 Based on 2017 model-year EPA ratings. Use for comparison purposes only. Your MPGe and range will vary depending on driving conditions, how you drive and maintain your vehicle, lithium-ion battery pack age/condition and other factors.

via Electrek 

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71 responses to "89-Mile Honda Clarity Electric To Be Offered As $269/Month Lease-Only In Just California & Oregon"

  1. Alan says:

    Is it not about time that manufacturers should be forced to make say 5% of total sales emission free ?

    That might actually put the final nail in these compliance cars once and for good.

    1. sven ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ says:

      Or the non-CARB states can join CARB. Then these compliance vehicles will be sold in many more states, if not nationwide.

      Why isn’t there a movement in the EV community to try and get non-CARB states to join CARB through petitions and political activism?

      1. DJ says:

        Because it’s easier to blame other people or companies than themselves for the politicians they elected in to office?

  2. Bob Nan says:

    89 mile range is better than the previous 80 mile range and the 80% charge in 30 minutes is impressive.

    But anyone who leases should know that after lease ends, the car will be taken back and crushed.

    But Honda is also facing the pressure, that’s why they dropped the V6 engine in the redesigned Accord MY-2018 and also have plans to sell a Hybrid version.

    So Accord will carry Hybrid while Clarity will carry Plugin, Electric & Fuelcell.

    1. bro1999 says:

      With such a small battery, 80% in 30 minutes is actually not that impressive at all.

      The 20,000 miles/year is funny. I doubt ANYONE will drive even close to 20k miles a year in the short range compliance Clarity EV.

      1. SparkEV says:

        Not to mention $269+$2K is more expensive than some Bolt leases. At that price point, I’m curious if there will be any takers.

        1. vdiv says:

          That’s the sad part, there will be. There are Honda fanatics that would just drive that make. There will also be people who won’t know any better and get talked into it.

          1. SparkEV says:

            Even they can’t be that blind. I wonder if there’s ANY redeeming quality about this car. Will it have acceleration quicker than Tesla (eg. 0-60 under 4 seconds)? Will it corner better than BMW (1g lateral)?

            FitEV was actually decent for its time; it was quickest in acceleration among comparably priced EV before SparkEV came along. I don’t see any such thing with Clarity, yet.

            1. BenG says:

              It’s size is the only outstanding feature I see. It’s a midsize car similar to the Accord, if I’m not mistaken. That much size is a rarity among EVs.

            2. M3 Reserved - Niro TBD says:

              If Toyota can sell Primes like they do, yes, Honda loyalists will too.

              -smh

              1. Asak says:

                Prius is the quintessential Eco vehicle and the Prime is just a Prius plus added 30 mile EV range and after rebates it’s cheaper than the base Prius. Of course it will sell.

                This Clarity EV is in a totally different situation. The lease cost is a total joke for what it’s offering.

        2. William says:

          I suppose there are some Honda loyalists among the EV Honda Fit crowd. The Helpful Honda folks must have earned some brownie points with their “give aways”, to try and pull this short range EV wonder off. The Clarity EV is going to need some serious give aways to roll off the “Stealership Lot”! Hello Helpful Honda Hustler!

      2. menorman says:

        I’m nearing 6000 miles in two months of ownership in my 2013 Leaf without DCFC, so it isn’t really that unrealistic. When taking the bigger size into account, it actually compares favorably to the Ioniq, which requires $2500 down for as little as $265/month, though Hyundai does promise to reimburse electricity costs for the first 50k miles and offers unlimited miles.

      3. DJ says:

        I would have no problem putting 20k EV miles (note that I said EV miles) on my Volt if it wasn’t leased at 12k miles a year so I suspect there are quite a few people who could easily put 20k miles on a car with more than double the AER of the 1st gen.

        To me personally the challenge with a shorter range BEV is the unknown. My work today has workplace charging so it’s not a problem but when if something happens? What if I’m forced to get a new job and one further away. Would they have it and would I be able to get it daily because there is no way I’m gonna sit and charge for 30 mins on the way home every darn day.

        As a result I don’t want to buy/lease a BEV with anything really less than say 150-200 AER miles given that freeway driving kills it quicker and I wouldn’t like to have to use more than say 60-70% of the battery daily.

        The pricing on the Leaf is really tempting me right now but that uncertainty keeps me from pulling the trigger (among other things).

        1. Asak says:

          You might want to consider buying a used Leaf. You can buy them for only about $7K which isn’t much more than the cost of a good three year lease. Keep it for five years even and you come out ahead.

      4. PHEVfan says:

        I don’t think it’s a coincidence that 20,000 miles is exactly 80 mile per charge x 250 working days in a year. This is intended to be a commuter car for medium-short commutes.

        VERY few will go for this since it’s a worse deal than the FitEV, and Honda couldn’t even average 50/month of sales for those.

      5. Elooney Muskey says:

        Bolt is a tiny car. Yesterday I showed one on road to my wife while driving in my midsize SUV. She couldn’t beleive hwo small it looks.

        Many won’t buy a small EV because of safety or utility concern. An 89 mile large EV is much safer than tiny EVs like Fiat 500e. There are plenty of people who drive 30 mile each way with charging at work. This EV will be quite godo for them.
        This is a car that you can use to take colleagues to lunch. Tiny EVs not so much.

    2. Mike McCord says:

      What is your source for “they will be crushed” please? Everyone said that about the Fit EV but it is five years later and none have been crushed. They keep re-leasing them for less money.

  3. Ash09 says:

    It’ll be interesting to see how many takers there are for this deal.

    Especially in light of the fact that you could probably lease a Chevy Bolt or Gen 2 Nissan Leaf for about the same amount of money. But you also get 2-3x the amount of range as well.

    You can also buy them nationwide, along with the Tesla Model 3, meaning Honda is practically giving away its EV market share to its competitors.

    They’re likely trying to save face here as much as possible, knowing that their offering is already pretty inferior to the competition. It’s a shame the Clarity EV didn’t come out say, 4-5 years ago. It would’ve been a contender then.

  4. John says:

    Could they come up with a more ugly design? Wow, it looks like the worst of the ’80’s threw up and laid this car at Honda’s feet..

    1. Linda says:

      I saw this car in person at the DC auto show and these pictures don’t do it justice. It’s much better looking in person. But it’s a non-starter in the EV world. Which is a shame, as I’ve loved every Honda I’ve owned and would love an EV one.

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      “Could they come up with a more ugly design?”

      Oh, easily. They could have made it look like the Mirai! *Blech*

  5. SparkEV says:

    19 hours L1 (~1kW after loss) and 3 hours for L2 (~6kW after loss) seem to indicate about 20 kWh battery.

  6. jelloslug says:

    Is this 2010 again?

  7. Mark.ca says:

    Now this is a car you should use the “C” word on!

  8. Mark C says:

    CARB could get rid of that temporary lease only garbage by adding a blurp in the rules that say something to the effect of: unless the vehicle can be purchased outright, or in the case of leases have a purchase price at the end of the lease if the customer wants to buy the vehicle, no credit will be assigned for the lease / return only vehicles.

  9. bro1999 says:

    Quick breakdown:

    Bolt EV – 60 kWh battery/238 miles of range/$37.5k MSRP
    Clarity EV – 17 kWh battery/89 miles of range/$35k MSRP

    What a joke.

    1. bro1999 says:

      Whoops, Clarity EV’s battery size should be 25.5 kWh. 17 kWh is the plug-in’s battery size.

      1. SparkEV says:

        19 hours L1 / 3 hours of L2 would suggest less than 20 kWh. So they have ~5 kWh as unused buffer? Either way, the battery is even less than base Leaf S that cost $5K less.

        1. bro1999 says:

          Seriously, the only people that will consider leasing this thing are Fit EV diehards that want to continue only driving a Honda BEV.

          That’s quite a limited pool of people, folks. Just enough for compliance numbers though, I’m assuming.

          1. SparkEV says:

            FitEV was actually decent as it was the quickest EV in its price range of the time (before SparkEV). People who went for FitEV saw the value (bang for buck), but I just don’t see it for Clarity.

    2. bro1999 says:

      Also, interesting that the Clarity has a CCS charging port. Most Japanese manufacturers have gone with CHAdeMO. I’m wondering if this is the start of the Japanese abandoning CHAdeMO…at least in the US.

      1. William says:

        Yeah, I would bet Toyota will follow right behind Honda, in adopting the CCS standard, in the US. Nissan may be the last holdout on CHAdeMO here in North America.

        1. Toyota will do the minimum with EVs, like Honda.

          I am a bit surprised at CCS from Honda, but I’m more surprised at the lame 80-89 mile range EV in 2017.

          I VERY seriously doubt that Toyota has any DC fast charge car in North America in this decade. In China, they may be required to use GB/T (Toyota has announced an EV for China in “2020”).

          CHAdeMO still leads the competition by a large margin in EVERY major market except China… Japan, North America and Europe.

          Over 14,000 chargers worldwide and over 300,000 compatible cars on the road. Nobody else is even close.

      2. Gary says:

        The lone CHAdeMO holdout is part of the Nissan alliance. Nissan themselves are sticking to CHAdeMO, and it apperas that current Mitsubishi offerings do as well. Renault has gone to CCS.
        The cost of providing a dedicated inlet for CHAdeMO is likely a big factor.

        1. Renault never adopted CHAdeMO. They originally pushed fast three phase AC charging with a Type 2 plug called Chameleon (22kW and 43kW).

          They announced CCS-Combo 2 from the beginning of CCS, but weren’t using it.

    3. sven ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ says:

      But Honda isn’t limited to producing only 30,000 Clarity EVs like Chevy is with the Bolt. 😉

      /s

      1. PHEVfan says:

        Doesn’t matter. They’ll never sell that many. Not even over the life of the model (unless they up the range at a later date).

        1. Mike McCord says:

          If you read the article, these are not for sale.

  10. WARREN says:

    Its actually a pretty nice looking car inside and out. 20000 miles is a good deal. With CCS I would have no problem driving 12000 miles+ a year in this car. With any rebates the down payment isn’t bad either. It has a far more premium interior than the Bolt and a more distinctive exterior which may appeal to some.

    1. Assaf says:

      “It has a far more premium interior than the Bolt..”

      …and also 1/3 the range. Possibly less, b/c EPA hasn’t rated it yet.

      It’s a cynical compliance car, delivered with a special condescending F-you directly from Honda’s leadership. Have you read what they think about you?

      Any EV enthusiast with minimal self-respect should F-you them back, even if the seats were gold-embroidered.

      1. bro1999 says:

        These Clarity EVs will be heading straight to the crusher after the leases expire, since no one will be able to buy them outright. Either that, or they’ll try to re-lease them as used like they did with Fit EVs. Then crush them.

        Pure compliance car in every sense of the word.

        1. menorman says:

          On the plus side, it seems like Honda is apparently planning to capitalize the entire Federal credit into the lease, so it’s decently affordable to get into.

          1. Asak says:

            Sure doesn’t look like it based on the numbers. GM only gives half of the credit on the Bolt lease and it still comes out around the same price.

        2. Mike McCord says:

          Who cares if you can’t buy it outright? Not everyone needs to own what will be a long in the tooth EV after the lease.

          1. bro1999 says:

            Ask EV1 leasees if they cared about being able to own their cars.

            1. Spies says:

              Asking Honda EV Plus leasees if they cared about being able to own their cars would be more appropriate here.

    2. menorman says:

      I agree, it actually compares favorably with the Ioniq at these terms and if Honda will cover a loaner for distance travel like they do with the fuel cell version, it’s palatable.

      1. Asak says:

        The problem is the Ioniq terms also aren’t very good, except for someone who drives an incredibly large amount of miles.

    3. Stimpy says:

      “Its actually a pretty nice looking car inside and out.”

      And out, you say? Are we looking at pictures of the same car? This challenges the current Prius in the cosmetically-challenged department.

  11. Assaf says:

    Ha! I was the first here to call “COMPLIANCE” on this pathetic excuse for an EV, when it was first described here.

    1. DJ says:

      Congratulations. You want a cookie or something??

      This is a pretty lame offering given the state of everything today but it will definitely work for some people. Comparing this to a Bolt or hell anything else out there except for maybe a Model S isn’t an even remotely fair comparison. The Clarity is a much larger and more comfortable EV than virtually everything out there today and with not everyone needing 200+ miles I actually have to agree with them. It would be nice if they offered a larger battery option but even though they don’t I’m sure they’ll sell some and likely to some people who otherwise wouldn’t be driving an EV which at the end of the day is good right?

  12. Mike says:

    Some heads need to roll at Honda. Fuel cells aren’t going to happen anywhere outside of possibly Japan. The only way this car would be a winner is if EVs never gain anything more than modest market share compared to ICE. Then management at Honda can pay themselves on the back for putting so little effort into their EV program.

    1. menorman says:

      Fuel cells will probably see decent legs in California if CARB forces VW to put money into hydrogen stations as part of their dieselgate settlement plan. Currently, they only want to do EV charging stations, but Big Hydrogen has cried about that, especially since California is still rather short of their goal of 100 hydrogen stations statewide by 2020.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Here’s hoping that not 1¢ of VW’s fine goes to support the “hydrogen economy” hoax. There is already far too much taxpayer money being thrown down that rathole.

        And given the even lower than expected sales of fool cell cars, I think that even if there was a H2 filling station on every corner, people still wouldn’t be buying them.

        To quote Abe Lincoln:

        “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

        Fortunately, trying to sell fool cell cars appears to fall almost entirely into that third category.

  13. zzzzzzzzzz says:

    It is funny people complain about “high” $35k price and at the same time complain that range is short! Choose one or another. Didn’t you ever heard about Newton laws? You need some force to propel over 100 cu.f. passenger space mid size sedan with corresponding drag area.
    If you want range and similar size, just buy Model S for DOUBLE the price, even if it doesn’t have as much space inside.
    Or Bolt, but it is smaller, has less features, and even more expensive.
    Or just send your magic wand to produce free batteries to Honda, and it will certainly be happy to use it.
    Get back to reality, very similar 2017 Honda Accord Hybrid MSRP starts at $29,605. ICE cost may be on par with all the extra high power electronics/chargers for pure battery car. How much batteries you can buy for $5k extra (retail, at pack level)? Yes, some $5000/$200/kWh = 25 kWh – exactly in the ballpark what Clarity Electric has. Add more, you have more weight, more expense for suspension, and end up with yet another luxury environment trasher – just get Model S please, Honda brand isn’t strong in that market space.

    1. BenG says:

      Honda should be doing BEVs and PHEVs in it’s Acura brand. Take the vehicle upscale and the price of the battery becomes affordable when you consider the performance advantages vs an expensive high performance ICE and transmission.

      I.e. the NSX should be a battery-dominant design, perhaps with a small high-performance range extender, instead of the weak hybrid (1 kwh battery, no plug), 570 hp twin turbo V-6, an expensive piece of work with 9 speed transmission and 3 electric motors.

      They’d have been better off with a 60 kwh battery and a 120 hp turbo 4 cylinder range extender.

      1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

        >BenG

        Acura would be more realistic for long range BEVs. But Honda isn’t that big and rich as GM or Toyota. That market niche isn’t huge, and Tesla already has it, and can’t make anything but losses even being alone in the niche. So what is the point for Honda to jump into cold water?

        As for the PHEV, I think it may work even for more mass market oriented Honda brand, and it is what they are planning to do.

        1. BenG says:

          Given how much of the high end sedan market Tesla has eaten up I wouldn’t call the water “cold”.

          And even the X with all it’s problems and over-design is a significant player in the high end SUV market.

          I think Acura would do good things for their brand and their market share if they made a midsize sport-SUV that was battery dominant to take advantage of that platform’s efficiency and performance advantages, but that also used Honda’s expertise in small engines for a range extender so that they could deliver something with good EV power and daily range, with unlimited range on gas.

          It’s the wave of the future. Yes it will cost money for them to get on the wave, but it will pay off, IMO.

    2. DJ says:

      I demand a BEV SUV that gets 400 miles AER, goes 0-60 in 2.2 seconds, can tow 5 tons, and oh I don’t want to spend more than $99/mo tops!

      Seriously though what do you expect from “adults” who still live at home with their parents 😀

    3. John says:

      Good point, Why not just add that 25kWh battery to accord hybrid? I will buy one right away. 89miles would cover 99% commuters and the engine would allow long distance travelling without worrying getting stranded.

  14. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    Just another compliance car, and one with last-generation electric range.

    Yawn.

    1. sven ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ says:

      Why so bored? It’s not like you were planning to ever buy an EV, let alone drive one.

  15. Brett says:

    They should call it the Honda Flashback. A car for retro lease-only enthusiasts who want to enjoy the restricted EV 90s one more time. 😉

  16. Jason says:

    As with everything, someone will buy it, and most likely enjoy it. If they are new to EV’s then you probably got a convert.
    For me this is a 5yr old EV design and should be sub $30k. Unless you just must have a Honda, then research with point you to the more efficient Ionia, the tried and tested Leaf with more range, or the Bolt & Model 3.
    But it will suit someone, and Honda will get a few sales. Best result would be of Honda got inundated with sales that makes them rethink the whole EV situation. I’m sure there are a lot of Honda die hards out there.

  17. Don Zenga says:

    Honda would have taken the Accord, replaced the engine and related components with motor and fuel cell and named it as Clarity FCV.

    Later on seeing the tide of electric vehicles, they would have decided to add the electric powertrain. But then their fuel cell division would have opposed the sale of electric version in all 50 states. So to make a compromise, they would have agree to sell only in California and Oregon to get the maximum Fed & State rebates.

    We don’t know whether they will sell the plugin version in all states. Ideally the plugin version could have been sold under Accord since it uses an engine.

    And Honda also wants to tell the World that there is no demand for an electric vehicle. But GM their partner in fuel cell vehicle is selling an EV with 238 mile range. Hahaha.

  18. james says:

    2011 called, they want their car back. Did Honda look at the Mirai and think, “We can definitely make an uglier car than that.” I just don’t understand what Honda is thinking here.

  19. E-lectric says:

    Drove it last week. Rated range isn’t great, but to me the deal breaker is the tiny slot of a trunk pass-through.

    Also, the test drive staff knew little about the car.

    The fuel cell version seems to be a much better value. If you are near an H2 station. The FC drive staff actually knew about the car.

  20. The CARB-ZEV rules for Model Year 2018 and beyond REQUIRE that they sell the cars in all the ten CARB-ZEV states. The only exception is Hydrogen, which can be sold only in California.

    So,with the fact that this car will earn exactly 1 CARB-ZEV credit, I fail to see why they build it at all. The Hydrogen car will meet all their “traveling provisions”.

    Dumb, dumb.

    *********

    CARB-Zero Emission Vehicle states – California’s ZEV program has now been adopted by the states of California, Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, New Jersey and Maine. These states, known as the “Section 177 states,” have chosen to adopt California’s air quality standards in lieu of federal requirements as authorized under Section 177 of the federal Clean Air Act (42 U.S.C. sec. 7507).

    CARB-ZEV credits per vehicle:

    Starting Model Year 2018 (enacted 2016):

    Range per UDDS test protocol:

    Actual credit value is 1% of UDDS range plus 1/2 credit
    Example – 249 miles UDDS * 1% = 2.49 + 0.5 = 2.99
    This vehicle earns 2 credits
    No fast fueling credit

    350 miles range —- Credit per vehicle: 4
    250 miles range —- Credit per vehicle: 3
    150 miles range —- Credit per vehicle: 2
    50 miles range —– Credit per vehicle: 1

    Credits through Model Year 2017:

    Type V – 300+ miles range “hydrogen” —- Credit per vehicle: 9**

    Type V – 300+ miles range “fast refueling” – Credit per vehicle: 7

    Type IV – 200+ miles range “fast refueling” – Credit per vehicle: 5

    Type III – 100+ miles range “fast refueling” – Credit per vehicle: 4

    Type III – 200+ miles range ————– Credit per vehicle: 4

    Type II – 100+ miles range ————— Credit per vehicle: 3

    Type I.5 – 75-100 miles range ———– Credit per vehicle: 2.5

    Type I – 50-75 miles range ————— Credit per vehicle: 2

    ** hydrogen “super credit” at 9 per vehicle for model years 2015-2017 only

    NOTE: The “fast refueling” credit has been revised (2014) to a minimum of 4% of the fleet to demonstrate a maximum 25 battery swaps. Hydrogen is exempt to continue receiving the credit.

    1. It’s possible that this car manages to eek out 150 miles of UDDS range (which might explain the bump from 80 to 89 miles EPA).

      It would earn 2 CARB-ZEV credits.

      1. Jay Cole says:

        /time to be nerds

        Yeah, was thinking about this (the range logic) ourselves and we couldn’t come up with a good reason it would be offered in the US.

        Given the efficiency/range numbers, I can’t imagine the UDDS (LA4 if you will) being more than ~130. I confess to not being too fluent anymore in the metrics of the system but off the top of my head I can’t see 89 miles EPA hitting 150 miles UDDS.

        Honda has says they will show a dedicated platform EV this autoshow season in the fall for special “regions”…once has to assume they have something they feel can fill the necessary quota (or darn close) in the offing.

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