The Expanding Tesla Supercharger Network Hinders Competitors

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Supercharger

Tesla is reportedly planning a major 40-stall Supercharger station in Norway near the Oslo Rygge Airport

TESLA SUPERCHARGERS ARE A MASSIVE LAND GRAB

Tesla’s Supercharger expansion efforts have been on a tear lately. According to Teslarati, “Tesla [is] nearing 1000 Supercharger locations worldwide ahead of Model 3 rollout.” Electrek reports that this translates to “6,000 Superchargers [stalls] around the world… [with another] 4,000 more Superchargers within the next 6 months” according to Tesla’s plans. Elon Musk recently tweeted, “You can now drive anywhere in the US (except N Alaska), most of Europe, China & Japan using the Tesla Supercharger network!”

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Tesla Supercharger station (Image: Tesla)

What does all this Supercharger growth mean for Tesla? The experts at EverCharge*, who specialize in electric vehicle charging for fleets, believe that Tesla is at a distinct advantage over other automakers.

EverCharge notes that Tesla’s “biggest [advantage] is that they have a 10 year head start on all other manufacturers… Tesla realized early on that it’s not just about building vehicles it’s about a completely new experience, one that is not married to traditional vehicles [that] already have mechanics, gas stations, and a whole host of services that make up that ecosystem, many of which are not owned or operated by the builder.”

In contrast, Tesla took a different approach.

“What Tesla realized was they needed to build out this ecosystem on their own as too often third parties were the reason people were not enjoying their vehicles. Due to this Tesla now has thousands of charging stations installed that only Tesla owners can use and that means they can completely optimize and standardize that experience… [This] can make a world of difference.”

*This article comes to us courtesy of EVANNEX (which also makes aftermarket Tesla accessories). Authored by Matt Pressman.

Tesla Superchargers

Norway’s largest Supercharger station, and the largest Supercharger station in the world.

So let’s take a closer look at Tesla’s Supercharger stations. “These stations were not only strategically placed to ensure drivers could make nearly any city to city drive with ease but also designed to minimize the time spent at the station. Tesla Supercharger stations deliver 145kW of power only taking ~45 minutes to charge the car completely. Compare that to the average DC fast station which charges anywhere between 24kW-50kW (only a small few even reach 130kW).”

Non-Tesla electric vehicle (EV) drivers have to work harder to find chargers as they’re often “randomly placed and in short supply. This means driving from say Toronto to Montreal which typically takes 5 hours in a Tesla could take as much as 9 or more in a similar non-Tesla EV simply because DC fast chargers are hard to find, have inconsistent speeds and [which] charge far slower than the Tesla Supercharger. All this adds up to a big headache for non-Tesla drivers. Sure, there are plenty of EV options but if you’re not driving a Tesla you are probably not fully enjoying the experience.”

Supercharger

The world’s largest EV parking/charging garage at at Varma’s head office in Salmisaari, Helsinki (Finland) is set to open this summer.

And while Tesla works quickly to mark its Supercharger territory, most observers “don’t fully understand exactly how big of a play this really is. Essentially it’s a massive land grab and the competition just let Tesla take all the prime real estate. Tesla Superchargers pump out 145kW of power a piece and that’s a lot of power being pulled into a particular area. With all that power it can be exceptionally expensive and difficult to build these stations, and Tesla has gobbled up a lot of the easier (read: less expensive) places to build.”

In addition, “it’s not as simple as building a competing charging station across the street, in fact, that might be nearly impossible. Bringing in huge amounts of power into a small area like that would require a small power substation… [which] essentially makes it financially infeasible for the competition to build there. Basically, this means that nearly all the land you see around a [Tesla] Supercharger station is totally unusable by any other competitor.”

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A Tesla Model S getting charged at a Supercharger station (Image: Tesla)

This gives Tesla a distinct advantage. “It’s just too expensive and difficult to build in that particular [Supercharger] location… Now they [other automakers] are forced to find less desirable locales to build out their networks and that could come at the cost of millions per station.”

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100 responses to "The Expanding Tesla Supercharger Network Hinders Competitors"

  1. James P Heartney says:

    The Bolt is a great EV, with performance and specs to go head-to-head with Tesla. But it’ll probably never live up to its potential because GM never bothered to create the charging infrastructure that would make the Bolt viable as something other than a local city car.

    The other non-Tesla EV makers are similarly myopic. It’s really a shame; depending on third parties to build the charge stations is a recipe for failure. It’s an even worse mistake than refusing to go big on battery manufacturing capacity, leading to LG Chem making most if not all the actual profit on every Bolt sold.

    1. Leptoquark says:

      That may be true, but don’t forget that there’s a new player now, interested in building a fast-charging network, which will be largely CCS, and they have a very fat checkbook: VW. Will they learn from the SC network where and how to place sites? Will they recognize that a broad CCS network will help VW customers as much as anyone else? Time will tell….

      Just because we have the SC network now doesn’t mean it will be the only fast charging network forever.

      1. CLIVE says:

        No it just means Tesla is way ahead of everybody else.

        CCS is a joke at this point.

        CHAdeMo trumps CCS.

        1. Brandon says:

          Leptoquark, the fact is actually that Electrify America will install both CCS and CHAdeMO at all their fast charge sites. They are required to use both.

  2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    “it’s not as simple as building a competing charging station across the street… Bringing in huge amounts of power into a small area like that would require a small power substation… [which] essentially makes it financially infeasible for the competition to build there.”

    Sometimes I despair at the myopia, the short-sightedness, not to mention the hand-wringing, of commentators on the EV revolution.

    No doubt if the internet had existed circa 1910, in the early days of the Ford Model T, people would have been wringing their hands and posting “There is no way the Model T and other motorcars will ever replace the horse. Just imagine, for a motorcar to take you everywhere means there would have to be gravel roads or paved roads going everywhere! And if people drove to the city, where would they all park? There’s no way for the motorcar to replace the horse — it’s impossible!”

    Is it really so hard to see that as the EV revolution progresses, there is going to be more demand for high-tension electrical lines in areas where they don’t currently exist? Is it really so hard to predict that supply will follow demand, just as it always does?

    Duh!

    The EV revolution is not going to be stopped by the nattering nabobs of negativism!

    1. John says:

      I don’t see anywhere in the article that said it would be impossible. Just a little less desirable locations at higher cost…

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        @John:

        I edited out the following phrase from what I quoted, to make it more concise:

        “…in fact, that might be nearly impossible.”

        I guess that was a mistake on my part. 🙂

        1. L'amata says:

          Potato potato Tomato tomato …Tesla is 10yrs ahead of all these BOZOS & the majority of them will never catch up..”You are your own guarantee” ..Only the BIGGEST F00LS wait for the government or the competition to put in their charging network ..”l m a o” …The Government already saved your Asses , This time you’ll find out when it’s too Late……Hellow GM!

        2. John says:

          I’ve always been taught to believe that the phrase “nearly impossible” means that it’s 100% possible. We’re optimists!

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            Reminds me of the motto of the (WW II) Seabees, the U.S. Naval Construction forces:

            “With willing hearts and skillful hands, the difficult we do at once, the impossible takes a bit longer.” 😀

    2. James P Heartney says:

      I’m bullish on EVs generally. But most of the major automakers seem determined to miss out on the market, partly because their dealership sales model inhibits sales, and partly because they refuse to deal with the charging infrastructure side of things, hurting the value of their EV models.

      1. John says:

        Pretty sure they think they can just write bigger checks to their lobbyist and force their way. It’ll work for a while, but eventually the damn will burst.

    3. Damocles Axe says:

      It is nearly irresponsible to claim that other charge provider are prevented from building near a Tesla supercharger due to power requirements.

      Clearly, all large charge stations will move toward having their own solar panels and storage batteries to avoid the high costs of peak power loads by utility companies.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Reality check:

        Even at the charge rate of Superchargers a couple of years ago (120 kW?), it would have taken about 1-2 football fields’ area of solar farm for each Supercharger stall to power a Supercharger station directly with solar energy. Future even faster EV fast-chargers, or superfast chargers, charging 300+ miles of range in <10 minutes, would take an even bigger solar farm adjacent to the charging station.

        Not gonna happen. In general (obviously with some exceptions), EV charging stations need to be either close to major highways or in dense urban areas; in either case, where land is expensive. Contrariwise, solar farms need to be located in remote areas, where land is cheap. That's a marriage made in hell, or rather a marriage that's simply not gonna happen.

        Unless some genius invents some sort of relatively cheap miniature nuclear reactor licensed for civilian use, which seems extremely unlikely, then future EV charging stations will need to be powered by the grid, just as they are today.

    4. energymatters says:

      ++

    5. Dragon says:

      With Tesla’s being under 1% of the cars on the road, it better be possible to build 145kW+ chargers in hundreds of times more locations or the EV revolution is dead before it begins. Heck, we need ~350kW chargers to equal the speed of gas fillups, so I expect that will be the long-term target.

      I did a little digging into the cost to bring in power lines for a 100% EV transportation system and it seemed feasible. Of course it raises costs compared to these early stations that use existing infrastructure.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        As the EV revolution progresses and customers demand cars with faster charging, these existing stations will have to be rebuilt with upgraded power anyway.

      2. Priusmaniac says:

        It is not that hard since every time a big power line crosses a highway, you have a potential opportunity for a station location.
        Places where such a crossing exists are in the millions.

  3. John says:

    First Mover Advantage.
    GM could have had it back in the 90’s.
    But they dropped the ball, then Tesla picked it up and launched it into space.

    Go Tesla Go!

    1. Priusmaniac says:

      Tesla will have a supercharger on Mars long before GM has a supercharger in Detroit. 🙂

  4. MikeG says:

    The SC network is a huge advantage for Tesla that other manufacturers won’t have, can’t match, due to their short-term thinking.

  5. David S. says:

    I thought that Superchargers provided 135 kW max… When did they upgrade to 145 kW?

    1. Mikael says:

      Maybe a year ago or so…

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Not surprising you missed it. I only knew about it because I stumbled across an old news article when looking for something else. Not sure it was ever the subject of an article at InsideEVs.

      From Electrek: “Tesla quietly upgraded its Superchargers for faster charging, now capable of 145 kW”

      https://electrek.co/2016/07/20/tesla-supercharger-capacity-increase-145-kw/

    3. Nix says:

      To be clear, while the chargers are indeed capable of 145 kW max charging rate, nobody has yet reported having their car draw that much power while actually charging. 120-130 kW seems to be the max I’ve seen reported so far.

      At this point, the 145 kW appears to be just additional charge ceiling that a future Tesla may be able to take advantage of.

      It is like having a gas engine that is rated at 145 HP, but you never push the pedal all the way to the floor when driving, so you only get 120 HP out of an engine rated at 145 HP. It is still a 145 HP engine, you just aren’t taking full advantage of its full capabilities.

    4. scottf200 says:

      120 kW limit related to this perhaps — tesla forum — georgehawley.fl.us | December 6, 2016 — Panasonic recommends 2 amperes maximum at 4.2 volts per cell for charging the 18650 cells used by Tesla. Tesla charges them with up to 4 amperes at 4.2 volts. In the 85 and 90 kWh packs Tesla has 96 strings of 74 cells in parallel. 74 X 4 amperes = 296 amperes maximum. 96 X 4.2 volts = 403.2 volts. 403.2 X 296 = 119.3. kW.

      1. SparkEV says:

        But 4.2V is when the battery is almost 100% (or is at 100%), and you won’t be charging at full current. Rather, look at 80%, because that’s generally the maximum voltage at full current (constant current phase) of charging occur. At 80%, it will be much less than 120 kW.

        But some Tesla do charge close to 120 kW at low state of charge (much lower voltage), which means Tesla is using more than 4A (more than double rated current) to charge the batteries at lower SoC.

        1. Ned says:

          Cells will reach 4.2v before they are completely full. Voltage rises during fast charge for the same reason it says during fast discharge. As fast as Tesla charges these cells, they could reach 4.2v at fairly low SOC.

  6. FISHEV says:

    Gas stations already did the “land grab” and very simple to add chargers to gas stations.

    Pulling in to fuel up on the way home from work into the renovated interstate gas station which are now full stops with stores, pumps, parking and…ta da…EV chargers. Four, completely unused so demand has not even begun to equal supply.

    The station had 3,000 square feet of solar, geo-thermal system, LED lights, green roof along with the EV chargers. It was selling green to its gasoline customers.

    In their enthusiasm for Tesla, some Tesla fans tend to forget the rest of the world is moving also.

    1. Anti-Lord Kelvin says:

      Good to know and would be pleased to know where it is. Unfortunately, this is not yet the way that most gas stations are going. But the more, the merrier, as Tesla can’t do all by its own, not in car production, nor in car charging infrastructure if we really want the end of ICE cars as soon as possible.

      1. FISHEV says:

        “Good to know and would be pleased to know where it is. Unfortunately, this is not yet the way that most gas stations are going.”

        Fortunately it is how most of the big stations are going along the interstates. Another almost identical going up at the airport. Gas stations long ago grabbed the prime real estate for cars so the premise of the article, that Tesla has made a “land grab”, is silly and incorrect.

        Gas stations will and do supply what people want. You want propane, air, water, car wash, coffee, food, EV charging…they’ll supply what people are buying.

    2. Sch says:

      Actually lot of gas stations are in quite remote locations and their power supply does only meet the need of the shop and the pumps for petrol. Finding gas stations with enough power for a decent number of EV Chargers is not that easy.

    3. Jay D says:

      I’ve seen a few gas stations with L2 EVSE, which is emergency only, otherwise useless. Who’s gonna hang at a gas station for hours? Hovever, at the one immigrant-owned gas station with CHAdeMO around here, I always stop in to buy a snack and thank the family for maintenance of the charging station…

  7. bro1999 says:

    Not all Supercharger locations are strictly Tesla-only. Look at the New Jersery Turnpike locations. Both rest areas now have a couple of EVgo stations right next to the Superchargers.

    NJ required Tesla wire the NJTP Supercharger locations to support non-Tesla charging stations when they gave Tesla the greenlight. Other states/municipalities should do the same moving forward.

    1. scottf200 says:

      So they have two non-Tesla chargers? Currently Tesla is putting 10 or more superchargers at each site. There is no comparison with this aspect and greatly favors Tesla buyers. One of the NJ sites as 12 currently.

    2. Damocles Axe says:

      Just imagine superchargers at every highway rest area in the nation! Perfect!

      Laws requiring equal access for other charging standards makes perfect sense. The only thing that would make even better sense is for all other EV manufacturers to adopt the Tesla charge standard and pay fair rates for supercharger access.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        The thing that would actually work best is for all EV makers to agree on one universal charging standard, whether that’s the Supercharger standard or CCS or something else. That way, future installations of public EV chargers could be used by any EV, not just ones from a few EV makers.

        The thing that would not work is for Tesla to open up its Supercharger network to anyone who wanted to use it. Charging others for use would not in any way prevent a “Tragedy of the Commons” situation from occurring, should Tesla be foolish enough to do that.

        If other companies — whether EV makers or entrepreneurs wanting to run for-profit EV charging stations — want to build their own stations using the Supercharger charging format, that would of course benefit all EV drivers including Tesla car drivers. Allowing anyone to use Superchargers but expecting Tesla to build all of them… that’s a recipe for disaster.

        Tesla never intended the Supercharging network to be a profit-maker. It was intended to promote sales of Tesla’s cars and to fight range anxiety.

        Allowing non-Tesla cars to use the network, even if they pay a fee, is counter to Tesla’s intention in designing and building the network. Things built for one purpose rarely work as well when used for another, and the Supercharger network would be no exception.

        If drivers of non-Tesla cars want to be able to use Superchargers, then they should advocate for companies to build non-Tesla Superchargers for their use.

    3. (⌐■_■) Trollnonymous says:

      “NJ required Tesla wire the NJTP Supercharger locations to support non-Tesla charging stations when they gave Tesla the greenlight.”

      In other words, you HAVE TO also support your competing company’s products.

      Sounds crooked and fishy.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        If New Jersey or any other State is going to allow Tesla to install Superchargers on public land, such as at Interstate rest stops, then absolutely it makes sense to require Tesla to include a least a token few non-Tesla EV chargers. That’s a fair exchange for allowing Tesla to use public land.

        If Tesla wants to stick to building only Superchargers for Tesla cars, they can of course continue to do so on private property they buy or lease.

      2. bro1999 says:

        If Tesla wants access to publicly owned land, it is totally within reason for the state/local government to require Tesla to allow other companies access to that land. The land (in this case, a rest area) is paid for by the taxpayers and used by taxpayers.

        My Bolt charging at one of the new EVgo NJTP stations:

  8. scott franco says:

    Competitors are at a disadvantage because Tesla bought up all the usable land…

    You’re kidding right?

    1. Taser54 says:

      Look at the Author. More and more outrageous claims in their posts.

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Yeah, I had the same reaction.

      Sometimes Evannex has sensible and well-informed articles, well worth reading.

      And then there are ones like these… 🙄

      1. James P Heartney says:

        The point of the article is not that it’s “nearly impossible” to build a competing supercharging network; it’s that anyone doing it now will be at a disadvantage vis a vis Tesla, because any site picked by the competitor will be one that Tesla had already passed over. “Nearly impossible” referred to attempts to site a competing supercharging site adjacent to existing Tesla chargers, due to potential logistical problems with power supply.

        Tesla superchargers are placed carefully, not only to maximize usability (as you can see from perusing the Plugshare maps) but also to allow customers using them to have a pleasant stopover, with available dining etc. as well as care taken that the facilities are clean, well marked, open 24/7, and feature sufficient chargers that won’t be ICEd in.

        Siting superchargers at gas stations does not necessarily give you any of these things, even if sufficient power supply is available. Most gas stations are intended for 5 minute stopovers, not half-hour to 45 minute stopovers. The slots may be dirty, poorly marked, and frequently ICEd in. And hanging out at a gas station convenience store for 45 minutes is not ever going to be pleasant.

        Building a supercharger network to compete with Tesla’s is not going to be so easy.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          James P Heartney said:

          ” ‘Nearly impossible’ referred to attempts to site a competing supercharging site adjacent to existing Tesla chargers, due to potential logistical problems with power supply.”

          Yes, that’s the claim. But that’s as ridiculous as claiming it’s “nearly impossible” to build a large commercial building right across the street from another large commercial building “because the grid won’t be able to handle it”.

          It’s complete and utter nonsense. The local electric utility will upgrade the power lines where and when necessary.

          Sure, I’ve read about specific — and I think unusual — cases where construction of a commercial building was limited to a smaller size than the developer wanted, because the local utility didn’t want to upgrade the power lines in a specific area. But that must be the exception to the rule, not a common case.

          If that was a common occurrence, then industrial parks would not exist, we would never see large multi-story office buildings grouped together, and no downtown area in any city would have skyscrapers packed side-by-side.

    3. SteveSeattle says:

      Agree. Rediculous claims.
      I live in Seattle. If I want to drive to Vancouver BC I will pass just 1 Tesla Supercharger location. Are they seriously suggesting there is only one location along that route that has enough capacity for DCFC?

      1. Anti-Lord Kelvin says:

        In their map, I’m already counting two stations, plus three or four (depending where you are living in Seattle) coming soon, in some 200 miles of length, it is not so bad. You should came here in Portugal where we are awaiting for the first three stations since 2015 to make the link with the rest of European Tesla Supercharger Network.

    4. CDAVIS says:

      @scott franco said: “…Competitors are at a disadvantage because Tesla bought up all the usable land…”
      ——-

      You need to re-read the article….that is not what is says.

      Tesla does not “buy” land for it’s supercharger stations. Tesla does inter into Supercharger Access Agreements with property owners of shopping/restaurant malls located at many of the most logical *prime* locations along major highways. The point of the article is that Tesla has first move advantage to pick up the most *prime* locations which leaves Tesla’s competitors sometime in the future having to find sites that Tesla has not already tied-up.

      What Tesla is doing on the Supercharger front is indeed not generally understood and it perhaps does require a more in-depth article to connect-the-dots for some readers but the article is 100% spot-on.

      1. FISHEV says:

        “The point of the article is that Tesla has first move advantage to pick up the most *prime* locations which leaves Tesla’s competitors sometime in the future having to find sites that Tesla has not already tied-up.”

        Except Tesla is already taking a secondary site as the PRIME locations are already taken by GAS STATIONS which can easily add (many already have) EV chargers.

        1. CDAVIS says:

          @FISHEV said: Except Tesla is already taking a secondary site as the PRIME locations are already taken by GAS STATIONS which can easily add (many already have) EV chargers.”
          ——

          Question:
          You take a 400mile road trip and lets say at some time around the middle of the road trip you stop to take a 30min supercharge…would you prefer to:

          A) Do that at a traditional gas station that has a generic EV charger or supercharger or…

          B) Do that at a shopping/restaurant mall with is conveniently located along your route that has a Tesla Superchargers installed where you can during the stop grab a bite to eat while you take the charge?

          About once every other month I make the same ~400 road trip (each leg) and each time I stop at the same Tesla Supercharger that is at a shopping center located near the highway exit…located there is a FiveGuys Hamburger, Pannera Bread, and few other food joints…my routine is to munch down a FiveGuys Hamburger while my Tesla chargers nearby.

          With my old ICE I would still stop at FiveGuys for lunch but would then also need to swing into the gas station for fuel before getting back on the highway.

          1. FISHEV says:

            “You take a 400mile road trip and lets say at some time around the middle of the road trip you stop to take a 30min supercharge…would you prefer to…”

            Plug in, take a nap, get up, get a snack and drive on. 60 minutes for the Bolt at the FastDC at the Chevron or 40 minutes at the Tesla station.

            Matters not.

            1. CDAVIS says:

              @FISHEV said: “Plug in, take a nap…at the FastDC at the Chevron…”
              ——

              I have a hard time imaging taking a nap in my car at a Chevron gas station….I’ll stick with lunch at FiveGuys…perhaps take a nap there after lunch.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        “The point of the article is that Tesla has first move advantage to pick up the most *prime* locations which leaves Tesla’s competitors sometime in the future having to find sites that Tesla has not already tied-up.”

        And one can very easily see how untrue that claim is, because Tesla itself is now rapidly expanding the number of Supercharger stations, which means Tesla must now be choosing “secondary” locations, since all the “prime” locations are gone — or so you claim.

        In reality, as I think most people know if they think about it: Competing gas stations often can be, and often are, built literally right across the road from existing gas stations. It will be the same for future EV charging stations, even superfast charging stations.

        1. CDAVIS says:

          @Pu-Pu said: “…since all the “prime” locations are gone — or so you claim.”
          ——

          Nowhere did I say *all* the prime locations are gone. There will be remaining prime locations (but fewer) and secondary (less-prime) locations.

          Anyone that thinks Tesla is not creating a huge advantage for itself by first-round picking up prime SC locations ahead of its competitors simply does not understand the dynamics that are involved in finding and building-out SC locations.

  9. Taylor S Marks says:

    That sudden pivot into talking about how Tesla owns all the good land reminded me of The Founder (movie about Ray Croc/McDonalds).

  10. CDAVIS says:

    This article is 100% on-target…and not yet fully appreciated within the traditional car maker and dealer franchise community.

    It’s also why new EV entrants (such as Lucid Motors) have a much higher hurdle to clear than just making an EV car to compete against Tesla.

    I’ve now had the pleasure of having a Tesla Model S as my primary driver for the past two+ years and have come to appreciate the Tesla Supercharger Network is a very large part of the value proposition of owning a Tesla.

    This huge advantage Tesla is creating for itself on the Tesla Supercharger front will in the future be written about in business books.

    1. floydboy says:

      Hear, hear!

  11. Vexar says:

    With some regret, I must clearly observe that North Dakota has not only statehood, but a State Quarter (I think the image is of the one tree in the state), and a lot of I-94. Sure, something’s been planned for nigh on five years now, but has a single permit materialized? No. If you want to live life on the frontier of pre-EV days, own a Tesla and road-trip through North Dakota. Enjoy those luxurious stays at KoA campsites, charging for nine hours. Have fun with the 120v outlets listed on Plugshare. Sure, you can get to Fargo and stay at the Element hotel, with your Tesla destination charger, but… you are barely over the border from Minnesota, the land of 10,000 charging options.

    1. scottf200 says:

      Zoom in on ND and see where the four are currently planned for 2017 — https://www.tesla.com/findus?no_cache=1495653583#/superchargers?search=supercharger,

      1. CDAVIS says:

        @Vexar,
        In addition to the upcoming ND Tesla Supercharger locations pointed out by @scottf200, if you know of any logical places that a Tesla HPWC Destination Charger would be useful to the Tesla community (such as popular restaurant or hotel) direct the manager/owner of that location to this Tesla resource that provides free Tesla HPWC Chargers for those types of locations:

        Become a Charging Partner:
        https://www.tesla.com/charging-partners

      2. Vexar says:

        I’ll believe it when I see it. Those dots were on the Summer 2014 Supercharger map. The Clearwater, MN station at least gets you to Fargo, but once you’re there, enjoy your 6kW charging experience, spending 10 hours in Fargo just to go another 180 miles.

        I know how to put dots on the map. I know who to email and what to say and where the locations end up. North Dakota is a special situation, and I think the general population has a right to know why: economics. A dozen Tesla owners in one, lonely state versus how many in Russia for their one supercharger? Until ND has 100 Tesla owners, I don’t see it happening, financially.

        1. CDAVIS says:

          From what you describe indeed seems like ND is getting SC ignored…hope that changes soon.

  12. Kdawg says:

    If I go ahead w/the Model 3, I’m not sure I’ll ever use the Supercharger Network. Maybe once or twice a year… maybe. However, it is nice to know it’s there as an insurance policy.

    1. Priusmaniac says:

      It is said that Supercharging would be free up to 400 KWh per year, so that is about 6 refill on a 75 KWh battery.

      You will have to double you long trip vacations. 🙂

  13. floydboy says:

    Some superchargers can put out 145kW, but I’m not aware of any cars able to actually pull that.

    1. Priusmaniac says:

      Paradoxically, I think that may be one of the second presentation surprises. The new cell may allow higher C charging rate. It would be surprising if the new cell had a lower C charging rate.
      Of course, again, comes the question of what about the Model S. As a guess the 18650 in it may use the new Chemistry as well which could explain why some 75 KWh Norwegian Model S received a 85 KWh battery since those would allow to compensate charge speed from older cells while the new 18650 cells would go in the 100 KWh models.

  14. EndResult says:

    Interesting – lots of joy for Tesla below and lots of laughing at the other guys. Everyone does realize that this is why ICE cars are going to be around for a very, very long time!!

    Sure if you are an enthusiast you can buy a Model 3 (in a few years) for 2-2.5x the price of a very reliable well equipped ICE to take advantage of this infrastructure, but is that something the average family bring home the US median income is going to do? What Tesla is doing is very possibly slowing he adoption of EVs.

    1. Vexar says:

      Wow, aren’t you the wet blanket type? Really, on the eve of the Model III launch party, some people…

      A Tesla Model S 85 is cheaper than a Honda Odyssey for total cost of ownership. I’ll bet a Model III or GM Bolt is cheaper than a Camry from a TCO experience.

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      EndResult said:

      “What Tesla is doing is very possibly slowing he adoption of EVs.”

      Are you actually that ignorant of which companies are, and which are not, pushing forward the EV revolution?

      Probably not; probably you just came over to an EV enthusiast website to post a troll comment, because you’ve literally got nothing better to do with your time. Sad.

    3. Priusmaniac says:

      No, I did the calculation with the Prius and up to 50000 € the Model 3 still wins. That is of course not taking into account the extra pleasure you get from driving pure electric with a more beautiful and performing car.

    4. Priusmaniac says:

      You basically trade in a gas semi-truck equivalent on the life of a Prius for a larger Model 3 purchase price. That is for driving in Belgium but it certainly is the same all over Europe, Australia in Japan and many other places.
      In places with super low gas prices it may be different but for the US there are other financial advantages like the 7500$ and now the extra 2500$ in California. The Model 3 is also cheaper so even with ICE cheaper as well, that still favors the Model 3.

  15. Leptoquark says:

    “Sure, there are plenty of EV options but if you’re not driving a Tesla you are probably not fully enjoying the experience”

    Well, yeah. But, you’ve also paid three times the price of a non-Tesla. You make it sound like all EV’s are equivalent.

    “Basically, this means that nearly all the land you see around a [Tesla] Supercharger station is totally unusable by any other competitor”

    Maybe, maybe not. That’s a pretty broad statement.

    1. bro1999 says:

      That statement is plain wrong. Read my comments about about the new NJTP EVgo stations adjacent to existing Supercharger sites.

  16. mxs says:

    This article is a joke, right? There are reasons why Tesla is ahead, real estate is not one of them … Sheesh!

  17. TS says:

    Other manufacturers are at a disadvantage ONLY if they intend to build their own charging stations; some may choose not to do so. Although the superchargers do make purchasing a Tesla somewhat more attractive as of now, other automakers may try to negotiate with Tesla to allow non-Tesla EVs to juice-up at Superchargers, down the road so-to-speak.

  18. orinoco says:

    Still the biggest obstacle to the traditional car makers: they don’t want to! They don’t want to build BEVs, they don’t want to build a Supercharger network of their own, they don’t want to build gigafactories, they don’t want to be bothered with that whole electric mobility stuff. Period.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Thank you.

      Unfortunately, what ought to be obvious to all EV enthusiasts and advocates occasionally needs to be pointed out.

    2. Priusmaniac says:

      Yes indeed, sometimes I have the impression that they treat it like a kind of contagious disease. They prefer not to be involved too much and rather delegate to third parties.
      Let’s hope we hope a worldwide pandemic!

      1. Priusmaniac says:

        Correction:

        Let’s hope we have a worldwide pandemic!

  19. ray says:

    Something I think being left out is that Tesla has already offered any other carmaker to use the Super Charger network. Maybe the price is too high to take up the offer, but the offer was out there. Just like the patents that Tesla has.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      This is a common misconception.

      Tesla has not invited other auto makers to “use” the Supercharger network. It has invited other auto makers to help build out the Supercharger network.

      The difference is decidedly non-trivial! One would be a benefit to all EV drivers; the other would be creating a “Tragedy of the commons” situation, rendering the Supercharger network far less usable by anyone.

  20. Gazz says:

    Tesla’s unwillingness to open up the SC network by adding card payments is hurting the growth of EVs.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      How is quarterly billing instead of using credit card payments “hurting” anything, or in any way discouraging anyone from buying or driving an EV?

      Seriously, if you’ve got an argument, then spell it out.

    2. Freeload says:

      Why should Tesla? Other manufacture has to help build some first. I don’t want over crowded stations! I paid premium for my car I don’t want a fiat in my way.

  21. Nelson says:

    I would love to see Tesla build a Supercharging station on the Moon and send a better moon buggy for future moon visitors to use. Model M for Moon.

    NPNS! SBF!
    Volt#671 + BoltEV

    1. Priusmaniac says:

      Rather M for Mars. On his Twitter account, Elon Mush retwitted this:
      https://twitter.com/WorldAndScience/status/878160944379056128

  22. ahagge says:

    I can’t help but wonder which ICE automaker will be the first to “bite the bullet” and take Elon up on his offer to allow others to use the Supercharging network. I would think it would be relatively easy now that they will be charging for the electricity.

    But which CEO is going to swallow his/her pride in order to do what’s right for the customer? We’ll see…hopefully SOMEBODY will get it one of these days.

  23. Freeload says:

    Supercharger is open source. If I were another manufacture just make a car and let it mooch off Tesla stations.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Please tell us you are joking, and that you aren’t actually that clueless.

  24. Dragon says:

    It bugs me that Elon basically lied that you can drive anywhere in the U.S. with a Tesla. Even if you own the most expensive 300 mile range model, there are areas in the north of North Dakota you can’t reach with a 1-way trip.

    Most reasonable people would expect he means you can reach a destination and get back to the supercharger, in which case you can barely enter North Dakota or the north east of Montana and get back to a charger.

    1. CDAVIS says:

      Dear Tesla SC Team,
      Let’s see some of those ND gray pins on the Tesla SC Map turn red! …or pull down the gray pins as those are advertised as “coming soon”.

  25. Four Electrics says:

    The cost of BMW’s lone i3 Super Bowl ad would pay for a good chunk of a supercharger network. It’s easily reproducible and not a moat round the business; it’s just being built out in advance of demand.

  26. James says:

    This sounds like what Apple did in tying up logistics channels to block the competition from shipping their products in a timely way.

  27. Gerhard Hauer says:

    Charging stations will need BIG batteries for buffering.
    Hmmm.

  28. Mil says:

    Well done Tesla for leading the way. Any other car manufacturer crying about this can go suck it, as they dragged their feet so long that they only have their self to blame.

  29. Steven says:

    This is what Capitalism does.

    If someone leverages an advantage at the right time, they become the big dog on the block.

    Logically, other manufacturers should he approaching Tesla to licence use of the Supercharger Network.

  30. bro1999 says:

    Tesla has already taken up all the “prime” real estate? Lol

    Who has really taken up the “prime” real estate: those businesses called “gas stations” that have been around forever.

    Guess what trend I’ve seen recently, at least in my area? Gas station owners installing CCS/CHAdeMO fast charging stations on their properties. While there would be no room for a 6-8 stall Supercharger install at many small gas stations, installing 1-2 CCS stations in the corner of a gas station’s parking lot is totally feasible.

    This article is just so wrong.

    1. CDAVIS says:

      @bro1999 said: “This article is just so wrong.”
      ———

      Re-read the article 5 years from now.

      What I find fascinating is that Tesla is in plain daylight (not a secret project at a secret location) building a monster competitive advantage widget that most have not yet made out the imcr increasingly widening outline of this monster…as more dots are placed it will come to full view.

  31. Bill Howland says:

    I also question the repeated use of the 145 kw figure…. No doubt 145 kw is drawn by the charging bay from the utility, but I’ve never seen anything over 120 kw drawn by an “S” or “X”, at least not for more than a very few minutes.

    I suspect very few SC’s will have batteries or solar panels. The ones near me don’t have anything. Possibly these will be enhancements in the distant future..

    I would think the current emphasis would be just making sure there are adequate “3” charging stalls for the expected customers.

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