Exclusive: 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Lease Deal – $299 Per Month, 36 Months, $2,000 Due At Signing

3 years ago by Eric Loveday 82

VW e-Golf Lease Only $299 Per Month

VW e-Golf Lease Only $299 Per Month

 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf

2015 Volkswagen e-Golf

Volkswagen has officially confirmed the killer lease deal on the electric VW e-Golf.

With a base MSRP of $35,445, you’d expect the VW e-Golf to be burdened by a rather high monthly lease rate, right?

Wrong.

Here are the details revealed exclusively to InsideEVs via Mark Gillies, Manager of Product & Technology at Volkswagen of America:

  • $299 Per Month
  • 36 Month Lease
  • 36,000 Miles
  • $2,000 Due At Signing

We’re still in the process of trying to nail down the residuals, but even without those figures the VW e-Golf seems priced to disrupt the current players in the EV segment.

Interestingly, Volkswagen lists the following vehicles among the e-Golf’s “competitive set:”

  • Chevrolet Volt
  • Ford Focus EV
  • Nissan LEAF

It’s lease rate of $299 with $2,000 is right in line with the vehicles listed in this set.  As a comparison, the national lease deal on the top-of-the-line Nissan LEAF (SL) is currently listed at $302/month for 36 months with $2,399 down.

Finally, we must remember that all e-Golfs come fully loaded.  This includes standard CCS.  No other vehicle offered in the U.S. has CCS as standard equipment.

So, assuming the VW e-Golf will eventually be available in the state in which you reside, (officially the e-Golf launches this November “only at participating dealers in select states”) is it now on your radar?  Perhaps even the front-runner?

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2015 VW e-Golf Interior

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82 responses to "Exclusive: 2015 Volkswagen e-Golf Lease Deal – $299 Per Month, 36 Months, $2,000 Due At Signing"

  1. David says:

    I’d love a Golf EV. However I can’t get over the smell of compliance vehicle. Sold only in select states. Range is the same as a LEAF. I don’t see much advantage over the LEAF. I’d rather wait for a higher range vehicle.

    1. DaveMart says:

      They are selling a heck of a lot of these compliance vehicles in Europe.

      I didn’t know that counted.

    2. Surya says:

      I don’t think this is a compliance vehicle, I expect it to be available everywhere in time.

      My reason for not wanting it is different: people won’t know you’re driving an EV unless they’re right behind your in traffic and happen to notice the E in the logo AND know what it stands for.

      1. Nate says:

        Why does it matter what other people think? Buy the best car for your needs, and don’t worry about keeping up appearances.

        1. See Through says:

          Surya is the trend setter type 🙂
          Surya, don’t you worry. You will have the white HOV sticker in CA, and something like that at other places like Norway, I presume.

          In case you live at a place where there is no such sticker, order your bumper sticker saying “I (heart sign) EV” from Volkswagen.

        2. Surya says:

          Because of the awareness factor. If people see a lot of EVs on the road, they will be more inclined to buy one. If they see a Golf, and don’t know it’s an EV, they’ll just think it’s a regular Golf.

          1. El Prasito says:

            Surya,

            You always have the option to put a catchy sticker on the back of your car — something mundane like “I drive on electrons” or something more provocative like “EF OPEC” (like the one guy’s license plate on this forum — forgot his name). 😉

    3. Bonaire says:

      Compliance for sure. I doubt we will see it in most states for many years. They will also sell more in Norway than in the USA.

  2. ggpa says:

    Most funny line in the article … “Finally, we must remember that all e-Golfs come fully loaded. This includes standard CCS. No other vehicle offered in the U.S. has CCS as standard equipment.”

    I am sure Tesla was worried when they read it. Not!!!

    1. DaveMart says:

      I’m sure VW are worried that their market for $35k vehicles will vanish as everybody rushes out to buy $80,000 cars.

      Its not a Tesla. We realise that.
      If some people got over that they might be able to more sensibly discuss other cars.

      1. drpawansharma says:

        so. its official. you work for Volkswagen.

        1. DaveMart says:

          I don’t actually much like VW’s for reasons which have nothing to do with this article.

          I also don’t much like absurd comparisons, or still more ad hominem which always indicates an inability to actually counter the points raised.

          Cut out the the attribution of improper interest, and address the issues instead.

          No one cross shops a Tesla S and a Golf.

          1. drpawansharma says:

            I apologize..when you said “its not tesla. We realize that” By “we” i thought you meant You and volkswagen.
            its just that you take such a keen interest in volkswagen and audi that sometimes i am confused.

            1. DaveMart says:

              No worries.

              At one time the American centre of most electric car blogs meant that there was little coverage of the VW group, so I found that I was often supplying information which was not otherwise to hand. Not on this blog, I hasten to add.

              Some were also inadvisedly saying that VW would not bring out electric cars, when the vast investments they were making made it obvious that they would.

              In some ways they are not a very attractive company, as they have zero intention of being first movers, and prefer to come in later and outweigh the opposition.

              What some do not realise who are perhaps somewhat blinded by the glamour of the far more exciting Tesla is the huge threat VW are.

              Tesla did a superlative job in putting together a battery pack using the Panasonic NCA batteries when no other car manufacturer wanted to.

              Other battery chemistries are now narrowing the gap, and the VW group in particular have chosen to buy in rather than produce themselves, which means that they can put the best batteries that there are around into their cars over the next few years.

              That is currently Panasonic and LG Chem, and both will be considerably happier with VW than Tesla as the former has no intention of infringing on their business the way Tesla threatens to with the Gigafactory.

              Incidentally if one of their battery partners need a bit of financial help to build a factory to compete with that, VW’s investment budget is around $22.5 billion a year, enough for several ‘gigafactories’.

              I am not saying Tesla is doomed, but I am saying to stay ahead they are going to have to continue to pull several sizeable rabbits out of the hat.

              I admire the courage of those who hold a lot of Tesla stock at the current price, but have reservations about their judgement.

              In the car industry, certainly at the mass production end, ie the Model III, God is almost always on the side of the big battalions.

              1. unbiased says:

                Pretty good points here, but I think its important to point out that the market can likely support more than just one “electric car company.” Despite lip service from GM, I don’t see them taking the next step. Ford, maybe, Chrysler, no way. Nissan is obviously fully committed, but even so, I don’t think that just because there is one more EV on the market it’s going to hurt Tesla much.

                1. DaveMart says:

                  It depends which market segment it is in.

                  On ‘Seeking Alpha’ today there was a ludicrous article based on the premise that Tesla would continue to make the same gross profit margins when they are turning out 500,000 cars a year, 400,000 of them Model IIIs.

                  Even on gross terms, the profit margin on a $35k car is way lower than on an $80k luxo-barge.

                  So I think that to even get the Model III off the ground will take some doing by Tesla.

                  I don’t want to impugn their engineering, which has been outstanding, but along with the great engineering has come a fair amount of flannel.

                  The ‘Gigafactory’ for instance, although certainly large, is mainly so because no one has built a battery factory that big until the demand for them is there.

                  The big boys would have no difficulty whatsoever in financing stuff on that scale, when it is needed, although smaller sizes at several locations often work better, and are certainly more resistant to any untoward event which may occur.

                  Some of their plans are way, way out.
                  For instance the notion that they have some kind of advantage building batteries for home solar.

                  The batteries they are using, which of course are not theirs anyway but Panasonic’s, are high energy density ones designed to when weight is important, in electric cars for instance.

                  Why anyone would want a battery containing volatile, expensive cobalt in their house is a mystery.

                  That other icon of US industry, Warren Buffet, is invested in BYD who make the inherently cheaper, more stable, environmentally friendly Lithium Iron phosphate chemistry, whose disadvantage is that it is heavier than that used in the Tesla’s, which for home solar matters not at all.

                  If they need a gigagfactory to get the scale to compete, Warren will just have to look in the back of the sofa for where he has dropped his change.

                  The biggest reason I think Tesla may have tough times though is that Musk has stepped on everyone he has dealt with toes.

                  He is utterly dependent on Panasonic, and they are going to like VW and everyone else better, as they are not threatening their business by building their own factories.

                  Who would you chose to give your best technology to, if you were on the Panasonic board?

                  If he tries fooling around in China, he will come unstuck.

                  A stroke of the administrative pen there can rule them out from the market.

                  VW, Audi, Mercedes and others have long established relationships there, and factories.

                  One foot wrong and its game over in the world’s biggest auto market.

                  Musk is a genius, I never thought Tesla would survive to produce the Roadster, never mind the Tesla S, so take what I say with several buckets of salt to taste, but in my view they are still very much a long shot, and one mistake would put them in serious trouble.

                  1. DaveMart says:

                    Sorry, I went rambling on there and lost my thread.

                    My original point was going to be that if Audi produce premium cars to compete with the Models S and X, and they lack only the batteries to do so, which are coming from Panasonic as well as LG Chem, then Tesla is going to be hard hit, as that is where the big profits are, not in the Model III

                  2. Mint says:

                    None of us know the details of the Gigafactory agreement with Panasonic. From what was disclosed, Elon is basically bringing suppliers under to the same site alongside Panasonic, possibly letting them all remain autonomous. It could well be that Panasonic will use some Gigafactory-produced cells for its own sales to others, increasing profit margin compared to its own production.

                    As for the big boys, you forget that Tesla used Model S profits to build out its Supercharger network. This is a tremendous advantage when selling pure EVs. Chademo and CCS will take well over twice as long to charge a 200-mile battery, and I doubt they’ll have anywhere near as thorough coverage as Tesla in 2017.

                    I think i3-like EREV is the only real threat to Tesla due to the economics, but:
                    A) VW group (and probably others) are not interested in that, thinking the ICE should provide most of the power
                    B) it’ll be a while before the selling point of pure EV wears off, if ever
                    C) adding range extenders is not a difficult thing for Tesla to do down the road if it chooses

                    The big manufacturers are waiting to see if Tesla succeeds, and they can afford to do so because even 500k cars/yr is <1% of the global market. They won't commit to gigafactories and giant scale until demand is proven.

                    If any of the predictions I outlined were wrong, we would've seen action by the big automakers by now. They're not Tesla's concern for the next 10 years, as Tesla's headstart is too big in infrastructure, consumer mindshare, and production.

                    Tesla's headstart also puts them in a prime position to nab the low-lying fruit in grid storage. That's gigafactory risk mitigation which will be limited down the road (there's only so much demand for $150/kWh grid storage, as it seeks <$50/kWh).

                    1. DaveMart says:

                      Tesla, or the Panasonic, battery chemistry is a poor choice for grid as well as home storage, due to its use of cobalt as I have briefly outlined.

                      For the grid however other options are open as well as LiFePo, with relatively cheap, long cycle life flow batteries leading the pack.

                  3. > VW are worried that their market for $35k vehicles will vanish as everybody rushes out to buy…

                    A Tesla Model 3. I applaud VW’s entry into the electric car market and feature the e-Golf on the cover of the upcoming print edition of Electric Car Insider magazine but yes, VW has a long way to go to compete with a 200 mile 35,000 Tesla product that can access the Supercharger network. Three years is a long time, a lot can and will happen, but VWs roadmap still does not compete in the US market other than to play catch-up. Let’s hope they do.

                    > Some of their plans are way, way out.
                    For instance the notion that they have some kind of advantage building batteries for home solar.

                    There are a lot of folks building grid storage devices. But Tesla has an advantage almost no other stationary storage manufacturer has: a preexisting captive customer. Solar City is the market leader in residential solar and shows no signs of slowing down. Tesla Superchargers can/will be a big customer of stationary storage on their own (paid for by offsetting demand charges and ultimately arbitraging peak demand and possibly even playing a grid frequency modulation role).

                    JB Straubel has pointed out that standardization and scale is much more important than form factor. By continuing to build commodity cells, Tesla has the most potential customers for its products. They will be the 800 lb gorilla in the marketplace and will set prices.

                    1. DaveMart says:

                      I’m only going to pick up one point there as, due entirely to my fault, we are wandering pretty far off topic.

                      However the notion that:
                      ‘VW has a long way to go to compete with a 200 mile 35,000 Tesla product that can access the Supercharger network.’

                      is a pretty strange one, since Tesla produces cars at a fraction of the volume and at twice the target price, using a bought in battery technology which admittedly they have used well.

                      VW on the other hand builds cars at that price point in vast volume, and already has an electric car on the market at the specified price point.

                      All it lacks are the more powerful batteries since it did not fancy sticking together 18650 NCA’s as Tesla has.

                      To do that it has access to all the battery manufacturers there are, and could certainly help with the finance if any mega-giga-biga- factories were required to reduce unit costs a lot more easily than Tesla can.

                      Tesla in short to compete with the existing E-Golf using rather better batteries has one heck of a lot further to go than VW have to ‘catch up’ with a car that is several years from production and presently exists only on the drawing board.

                    2. You make a very good point Davemart. VW should dominate, they have all the wealth, and more than enough technical and administration smarts.

                      But why have they done so poorly in the US, and why is the e-Golf only now matching the price/performance of Nissan Leaf, Ford Focus, etc, which have been on the market for two to four years?

                      How many advance orders does Tesla now have for Model X? 18,000+? Does any other automaker command that kind of backlog for products a full one year ahead of production?

                      I predict the Model 3 will likewise have a huge backlog – 100,000s of paid advance reservations.

                      If the other automakers do not have a credible answer in 2017, they will be slashing prices to keep product moving.

                    3. I say “matching” generously. As Vic has pointed out, the starting VW offer does not actually match the Leaf price, and is well above the Focus Electric price.

                      I am thrilled that VW is producing this car for US markets. But only matches the other bids, does not raise them.

                    4. DaveMart says:

                      Why they have done so poorly in NA is simple.

                      They were concentrating on establishing themselves in China, the world’s largest and one of the most dynamic car markets, which they and Audi have done to huge effect.

                      They have also set themselves up so that they can electrify any vehicle in their range they choose, and do so in short production runs profitably.

                      Recently they have turned their attention to NA, and have set up manufacturing plants there, with particular attention to low cost places like Mexico.

                      They are investing $7 billion over 5 years to improve their NA market share.

                      Part of their North American investment is to ensure training and servicing in every state in the Union for electric vehicles.

                      As for the supercharging network, conventional chargers can be upgraded to 100kw.

                      It was hardly worth doing when the cars only have a range of 80 miles, but since the stations are already in place and would not need to be built, when better batteries and longer range cars are available, the expense of matching the supercharging network will be relatively small, and quick to do.

                    5. DM> As for the supercharging network, conventional chargers can be upgraded to 100kw.

                      … matching the supercharging network will be relatively small, and quick to do…

                      “conventional” chargers can not so easily be upgraded if it requires a new transformer, which will be needed to match the 8-12 stall superchargers.

                      most importantly, the chargers can not be upgraded if they are not in the right place to begin with. The DC Quick Chargers intended to support city cars are by definition not in the right place. And with a 200+ mile AER EV, you do not need much in-city charging except overnight (and possibly when you arrive in town at your hotel)

                      Solutions that work for folks who actually drive EVs takes a little more than speculation.

                    6. DaveMart says:

                      A somewhat partial view of speculation since you are quite happy to speculate that Tesla will bring out a Model III at a fraction of the price and many times the volume of anything this small specialist manufacturer currently produces.

                      The idea that inconvenient locations will kill a response to the supercharger network is pretty strange, as there are thousands of charge points to other standards, and a couple of hundred or so supercharge points.

                      Most of the cost of chargers is in wiring them up, not in the bits that push out the juice.

                      You brush aside little details such as totally transforming the scale of output and halving the price point, whilst presenting upgrading to known standards a couple of hundred mostly existing chargers on behalf of several major car companied interested in doing so as some sort of show stopper.

                      I appreciate your passion and dedication to all things Musk, but this is not quite sensible.

        2. Brian says:

          LOL

          Yes, because somebody decides that a $35k BEV that cannot match the specs of an $80k BEV, but is still worth discussing obviously is on the payroll of the former company.

          Today’s technology is limiting. You can pay a lot of money and get a great car. Or you can pay much less and get a limited, but still good, local car. Or you can couple an ICE to the car, and get a local EV with long-range capabilities for a reasonable price.

          Tesla’s solution is great, but it is not the only one.

          1. Brian says:

            P.S.

            I whole-heartedly agree with DaveMart here. I guess that means I work for VW too. I should inquire about why my paycheck has never arrived.

            1. DaveMart says:

              Just out of interest, Brian, I actually approach cars with all the romance one would expect of a cost and works accountant.

              VW is out of the running, as they don’t place the emphasis enough on reliability at present to suit me, and spares are expensive.

              Big cars are out since I live in the city, and BEVS since I frequently drive fairly long distances in a day and certainly can’t be bothered fooling around excessively looking for charging points.

              Since my routine running around is limited to a few miles at most, interspersed with 150+ trips, then the Toyota PIP would fit the bill best.

              Like many Europeans though I have nowhere at home to plug it in, so even that is entirely out of the question.

              Like so many other folk in Europe the hands down winner at the moment is a small city car which in any case has pretty good petrol consumption, and the cost is not significant for my 6,000 miles a year.

              1. Phr3d says:

                Just for interest sake, how difficult would it be to add/offer ‘electric spaces’ for charging where you live? IF they were available, would that change your view regarding BEV, i.e., would that make it worthwhile to EV-plan your more occasional long-trips with the e-Golf (if it proved more reliable, missing all the ICE bits)?

                1. DaveMart says:

                  The only way to make charging work in most cities in the UK is to install underground inductive chargers.

                  There is not even room for charge points on the pavements.

                  Go to Google Earth, look up Wick Road, Bristol and go to Street view.

                  That is fairly near where I live and there are countless cars on either side of the road, none with allocated parking.

                  This is typical of most cities, most places in the world.

                  Of course I could rent a garage or something, but an electric car would be an inconvenience, not a convenience.

                  1. See Through says:

                    DM,
                    So, just a simple Prius hybrid might be the best for you. You will get 50+ mpg without plugging in. Newer Prius hybrids might get you 67+ mpg.
                    The ICE cars have become much more efficient recently. Just check the 1.0 L Ecoboost engine from Ford as an example. Soon, the ICE cars might be as efficient as the electricity generation from fossil fuels.

                    1. DaveMart says:

                      Too bloody big!
                      Have a look at the parking around here!

                      Sure, I could drive it if I had to, but why bother?

                      I actually have a little Hyundai i10, which is about a foot shorter than a Golf but remarkably seats 4 in reasonable comfort in not much more length than a Smart.

                      My only grumble it that around town it is pretty heavy on the petrol, whatever their advertising may claim.

                      For my next car assuming that they don’t do a full hybrid in this size of car stop start micro hybrid technology should make quite a difference, providing it is cheap enough to earn its keep.

                  2. See Through says:

                    Toyota Aygo is also a good city car for UK. 100 kms in 4.2 L is likely less CO2 than electric cars, if you consider th e whole lifecycle CO2 emissions for BEVs.

                    1. DaveMart says:

                      I’ve got a similar Hyundai, see above.
                      They guarantee the car for 5 years and

                    2. DaveMart says:

                      I got cut off in my prime!

                      …and you can buy all the servicing at time of purchase, as I did.

                      So for five years you drive it and change the tyres if you need to, and that’s it.

                      That is a good deal, although I lucked in on it as officially you have to be at least 82 before you are allowed to buy one, judging by the other drivers! 😉

    2. Benz says:

      The Tesla Model S is not among the competition of the VW E-Golf.

  3. Vin says:

    This lease offer does seem to be in line with manufacturer lease offers for the FFE, Volt, and LEAF (SV/SL), but it’s much more than what is being offered by Chevy and Ford dealers that I’ve been tracking (most are in CA):

    http://ev-vin.blogspot.com/2014/04/current-36-month-lease-offers-for.html

    It will be interesting to see if the e-Golf lease offer from dealers will eventually match the competition.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Yupe, but it is brand new and they have yet to sell the first copy in the US.

      I think taken that context, and compared to what the other players offered at the same point in their histories, it’s a more than reasonable jumping off point.

      (Personally, I would still have like to see a more entry level offering as well…but OEMS are hesitant to potentially bastardize another part of their lineup for a plug-in)

      1. Vin says:

        Good point. I’d suspect that the lease terms would be very attractive to those that are not happy with the current offerings from other manufacturers, or are avid VW enthusiasts.

    2. Bonaire says:

      There are dozens of people (millions of dozens) who will not buy an American car “again”. So, basically imported EVs will surely sell. Comparing to Volt, Focus EV and Leaf – all made in the USA is one major compare. There may be a lot of “I will buy if not made here” folks ready to get into the VW. My daughter likes older VW Jettas (2001 designs) and I wonder if I can convince her to consider this one? She doesn’t drive far. Oh yeah, can’t buy it because we live on the east coast.

  4. Murrysville EV says:

    It’s a VW with an electrical system. I’ll pass.

    1. pjwood says:

      Rock bottom, base, Volts before the 5k price drop, were $299 as well, a couple years ago.

      Today’s Volt is ahead of this car, because it features no range anxiety. This January’s 2016 Volt, with roughly 50 miles of range, and 45 mpg’s, will beat it silly.

      There are just too many anecdotes of “80 mile” electric-only car owners who won’t go back. Newbies, do your homework.

      VW should have added a REx to this thing, to start. Instead, it looks like their 2015 PHEV/BEV range benchmarks are leaving the starting blocks about 5 years behind.

      1. DaveMart says:

        They’ve added the Audi A3 Sportsback PHEV instead for those who prefer not to have an ICE BMW crawl home lawnmower and are too paralysed by range anxiety to drive a BEV.

        1. Brian says:

          I just wish they’d bring the GTE to the states. That would give the Volt and Energi a run for their money for sure!

          1. Mike I says:

            What exactly does the GTE offer that the A3 eTron does not? It’s practically the same car just with different branding. I completely understand why they don’t have plans to bring the GTE to the States so early in their “electrification” plans.

            1. Brian says:

              My assumption is price. I don’t believe they would sell a VW Golf (of any variant) for the same prices as an Audi. If they did, no one would buy it.

              And that’s presumably why they aren’t looking at bringing the GTE to the US; they wouldn’t be able (or willing) to hit the necessary price range to sell it as a Golf. On the other hand, as an Audi…

              1. DaveMart says:

                Just so.
                VW/Audi don’t do loss leaders.
                That is why they are the most profitable large car company in the world.

              2. Chris B says:

                Which begs the question…”How will the GTE and A3 E-tron” compete against each other in their respective markets…oh yes, just like the non plug-in EV versions do.

                1. DaveMart says:

                  Part of the reason that the VW group are leaving PHEVs to Audi in the US for the moment is no doubt due to better margins.

                  Part of it is also going to be that they don’t want to split an already small market segment by having two such similar cars in it, going through the US certification for both and so on.

                  If the demand is there for PHEVs at the price that VW can see a profit on, then they can readily introduce other models including the Golf DCE at any time.

                  1. DaveMart says:

                    S/be GTE.
                    Apologies.

      2. James says:

        You are comparing apples to oranges, Volt is a hybrid, battery range is only 38 miles. You have to understand that people have different needs and interests.

  5. Doug B says:

    So if its $299 per month for 36 months + $2000 at signing, then total cost for 3 years is $12,764.
    Question to those in the know, does the fed $7,500 tax credit come off that, and how about the $6k Colorado credit?
    How do I calculate the final cost including tax credits?

    1. Peder says:

      The $7500 fed tax credit belongs to the owner of the car (Volkswagen) and not the leasee. That amount is figured into the lease thus the lower lease rates. If you purchase the car you get to claim the $7500 fed tax credit.

      In California, a driver would get the $2500 CARB rebate thus covering the downpayment.

      1. Doug B says:

        Cheers Peder,
        Looks like in Colorado you would get some tax credit, but would need the residual value first to compete the calculation.
        http://www.colorado.gov/cms/forms/dor-tax/Income67.pdf
        For a full purchase, it would be $6,000.

      2. James says:

        That’s why lease is a good deal for many, $7500 tax credit is use or lose it one year, a lot of people don’t pay that much in federal taxes.

  6. David Murray says:

    Ehhh.. I’d rather have a Leaf or a Volt. This car doesn’t excite me any.

    Also, doesn’t the BMW i3 have CCS as standard equipment? I thought it did.

    1. Eric Loveday says:

      No…CCS is optional on the i3. It costs $700.

  7. Benz says:

    In The Netherlands they offered the VW E-UP! for a monthly lease price of 499 Euro (48 months).

    Compared to that, this $299 sounds good to me.

    Anyway, buying the car is better. It will hold it’s value, I think. Good looking, well equiped and a competitive price.

    This is good for the EV revolution.

  8. Nix says:

    For those folks who have a problem with the space in the Volt’s back seat, or the BMW i3’s back seat, this might be a good car choice.

    I’ve found that the 4-door Golf rear seat is one of the most comfortable and roomy back seats that VW/Audi offers in their cars. So it has that going for it (assuming they sell it as a 4-door in the US).

  9. bro1999 says:

    Am I the only one that doesn’t like the rear charging port location on some EVs? Driver’s side front or front and center like the Leaf seem more natural. #1stworldproblems

    1. James says:

      Yes, the charge location is idiotic. Front is most convenient, back right is the most inconvenient possible for US drivers. Either they didn’t think of this or don’t care.

  10. Brian says:

    If I were in the market for another 80-mile BEV, this would be at the top of my list. There is a lot I like about it – notably the looks and the connectivity options (I could only wish that Nissan would let me lock the doors remotely, let alone set an actual temperature for the climate control!).

    However, since I am already driving an 80-mile BEV, the e-Golf doesn’t really offer enough for me to switch. My lease is up in 2015, at which point I could commit to paying $12,764 to drive the eGolf for three years, or buy out my lease for the residual of $15,640. I can probably even talk them down a little. Three years later, if I can sell my Leaf for more than $2,876, I am ahead in trading it in for the next generation.

    I’m sorry, it just doesn’t make sense for us early adopters to take another lease to bridge the gap to the next gen.

    1. DaveMart says:

      If what you have does the job, why change until something significantly better comes along?

      1. Brian says:

        Indeed. My issue is that my lease is up next spring. So I am forced to do something, even if it is just buying the car I’m already driving. I would hate to do so only to be killed by depreciation when the next generation arrived. I can’t imagine the 80-mile Leaf (with a resistance heater in a cold climate, no less) will sell for much when a new one gets 150 miles. It’s likely to be worth more than $3k, though, since our weather is relatively gentle on the battery.

        Maybe this is the wrong audience to make this argument to, but I frequently see people claiming that it just doesn’t make sense to buy an EV today. Instead, we should all just lease a new one every 3 years.

        1. DaveMart says:

          I was one of those people, but much more so when they first came out, due to the risks of new technology.

          Any Arizonans who bought may have come to see the wisdom of that position.

          I don’t have the same concern about undue battery degradation in the VW’s although they are also passively cooled, simply because the issue came up big time in the Leaf, and other car manufacturers will have checked that over and over again for their systems.

          If something is going to go wrong, it won’t be that!

          One car which might be worth checking out if you live in the right state:

          ‘The 2015 Kia Soul EV goes on sale this fall, but you’ll have to live in California, Oregon, New York, New Jersey or Maryland to buy one.’

          http://www.edmunds.com/kia/soul-ev/2015/

          They may get a little more range than the Leaf does with the 27kwh battery, and since in Europe at least you get a 150,000 mile range residuals should be great.

          Of course, you may simply hate the look of them anyway!
          It should be highly practical though, and space inside is good.

          1. Brian says:

            I do happen to live in one of those states, and confirmed with my local Kia dealer that they are on the list to receive them starting this fall. I am looking forward to test-driving the Soul electric, but I don’t know that it offers much more in terms of range. The ~12% larger battery will probably be necessary just to overcome the lower efficiency of the boxy design, thus achieving a similar 80-90 miles of range.

            I personally don’t mind the look of the Soul, it has grown on me over time. The wife has differing opinions, however.

            Ultimately, again, it is a large price to pay for an incremental improvement when we are likely only 2-3 years away from a generational step-change.

            1. DaveMart says:

              In your position I would certainly make clear to your wife that you bow to her judgement in matters of taste, as she had the discrimination to chose such a stunningly good looking husband…

              On range and aerodynamics, if you are driving a BEV presumably you are not spending an awful lot of time driving at high speed, and that is when wind resistance really kicks in.

              I would expect a fairly good improvement in range, especially compared to your early model Leaf.

              Wind noise at speed may be the biggest hassle, but people’s tolerance for that varies quite a lot.

              I meant to write that the Kia’s are in many markets guaranteed against 150,000 miles of use, but made a pig’s ear of it.

              For that reason I would expect them to have high residuals, as at least in the UK the guarantee is transferable so if you sell your car after say 36,000 miles and 3 years s/h buyers would still have four years and umpteen thousand miles left on the guarantee.

              So your costs over that time should be very reasonable.

    2. Lou Grinzo says:

      I’m in a very similar situation. My Leaf S lease is up the end of March, and right now my wife and I are hopelessly confused about what to do. Buy a Leaf in March? Lease one then? Look at something like an e-Golf? Wait a few months until the 2016s come out, assuming there’s a reason to wait? (We would manage with one car, my wife’s Civic, for that long.)

      Plus, we got the mailing the other day from Nissan with the $3,500 additional price cut on a Leaf S w/0.0% NMAC financing. Oy.

      But for the e-Golf, I don’t even know if I’ll have a local dealer. I live in NY State, but both local VW dealers claim that they don’t know yet if they’ll carry the e-Golf. (I checked with one very recently and the other today.) I don’t believe that reply, given the timing and the technician training, EVSE installation, etc. needed.

      1. Brian says:

        Yeah, if they “don’t know” at this point, then the answer is most likely no, they won’t have one by March. They may have one eventually.

        What part of NY do you live in? I have not checked the dealers in Syracuse, but I have no issues with buying an EV in NYC and making an adventure out of getting it home. That is, assuming it’s the car that I want. In a previous (gassier) life, I drove all the way to Trenton, NJ to buy a used civic because it was the only one I could find in a hatchback with a 5-speed.

      2. DaveMart says:

        The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV should be with you by the fall of 2015 if you can wait that long.

        Quite a car, which Mitsubishi have sold at just under the Volt price in every market they have gone on sale.

        Only around 22 miles real world AER though.
        Europeans love them.

  11. EV says:

    Killer deal? Sounds like a complete waste of money to me.

    $300 a month for a generic looking car? no thanks

    a Diamond White or Red Volt is simply the best choice of “EV”
    if you cant afford a Tesla.

    All these other cars are pretty lame and unappealing

    1. DaveMart says:

      It looks like a Golf.
      That is a real shock! 😉

  12. PeterS says:

    I sure wish we could get sunroofs on some of these cars (Tesla excluded of course)

    1. Brian says:

      I used to feel the same way, but an aftermarket sunroof is so easy/common to have installed that it doesn’t really matter to me any more.

  13. Lou says:

    Brian and Lou G, I am in a similar predicament. My Mitsu I lease is up in January. Funny that, to me, the Kia Soul EV has a greatly increased range. After all, it’s got(probably)30 more miles than my “I”. The improved heater as well as faster on board charger and QC is standard. The question to me is when does it arrive in PA? And at what price? I have been investigating low mileage used Volts. Plenty of them are now showing up, often in the $20K range. My issues with the “I” are the smaller battery(hence less range), the horrible heater(in Philly we had a tough winter and I don’t want to go through that again without better heat)and the lack of a QC unit. The Soul looks great to me, I like the roominess of it and the car’s look too. The VW Golf EV is nice, but it doesn’t seem any better than the Kia. We’ll see what the Kia costs. Frankly, for my needs, the used Volt may make the most economic sense(our ICE van is on its last legs, we need at least one car that can go on longer trips).
    Lou

    1. Aaron says:

      Right there with you Lou. I’m not keeping my i-MiEV unless they drop the residual to an amount that reflects the recent price drops on the car. (Fat chance.)

      “This includes standard CCS. No other vehicle offered in the U.S. has CCS as standard equipment.”

      Eric, you say that like CCS is a benefit. There are the same number of public hydrogen fueling stations in my state than there are CCS charging stations. That is, ZERO. Not having CHAdeMO is a liability, not a benefit.

  14. Harold says:

    $299/mth for 36 mths, $2000 down off MSRP of $35445 That give the car a 36% residual with $7500 credit to VW included. My Focus was 41%. Funny that they quote a lease price and say they are still figuring out a residual. You can’t if you don’t define that. $299/$2000 on $35445 is 36%. Not very good.

    People seem to forget that advertised deals like $299mth are academic in nature and the real cost of the lease needs to be figured out off the actual purchase price you can buy it from the dealer and VW doesn’t control that. ~$2000 between Sticker and invoice on a car like that. I leased my Focus for $300 over invoice. 36 Months, 36,000 Miles no money down with taxes rolled in at $321/mth in NY State. 0.25% financing, 41% residual, 8.625% sales tax that you have to pay in NY on the cash price of the car including $7500 credit. $2400 worth of tax!

    The question to know is if VW will play the same game as BMW and only offer you part of the $7500 credit due to the 3 year lease. Effectively amortizing the lease credit over a longer period and not giving you the full $7500. Ford gave me the whole $7500. Games Games Games!

    My take on the e-Golf is CCS, Trunk Space, heated windshield etc.., and more interior space for tall people than the Focus. I would have taken it over the ford if it was available.

    1. Brian says:

      I think your math is off. If you say that the car costs $35,445, then you take off $7500, plus $2000 down, plus 36 x $299, you have paid $20,264. The residual is $35,445 – $20,264 = $15,181 or 42%. AND that assumes that the money factor was 0% for the lease. With a money factor of greater than 0% (i.e. not free financing), you have paid less towards the car (some goes to financing), and thus the residual is even higher.

  15. Anton Wahlman says:

    The picture of the interior of the car, is of the Euro-spec eGolf. The US version has different seat materials, as well as the smaller (5-something inch) infotainment screen instead of the larger (8-something inch) screen.

  16. Alonso Perez says:

    I’d like to see the residual, and have more certainty it is not a compliance car. What will Honda do with all those leased Fits? Is VW really more serious than Honda? Maybe. Time will tell.

  17. Olivier Perrault says:

    I currently own a nissan leaf my lease is coming up this December. I test drove the E Focus this weekend and was disappointing. The car appeared to have allot less range than what I am accustom to. The rear truck space is smaller. It was quieter and was pretty nice inside. I am now really interested in the E-golf, i can’t get any info on leasing offers.