Chrysler Teases EV Reveal For NAIAS, Extended Range Town & Country With…

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Chrysler Teases What Looks To Be A Plug-In Reveal For the NAIAS In Detroit Next Week

Chrysler Teases What Looks To Be A Plug-In Reveal For the NAIAS In Detroit Next Week (click to enlarge)

The Chrysler 700c Concept Gives Us An Early Glimpse At Net Gen Town & Country

The Chrysler 700c Concept Gives Us An Early Glimpse/Foreshadows The Next Gen Town & Country

With the CES show in Las Vegas that just gave us the Chevy Bolt reveal about to wind up, we now get to relax until the next show starts...on Monday.

Leading the teaser charge into the NAIAS event in Detroit (press days start January 11th) is Chrysler with this newly hosted teaser image (above) on their main site.  (Full animation movie of the image can be found below)

We have to hand it to Chrysler, it is pretty subtle too.

To us, it looks like a countdown to pulling the covers off the new plug-in, extended range Town & Country minivan.  

We will let you have a crack at deciphering the meaning of “880” yourself, but just to get you started – how about 8 passengers, 80 MPGealthough we’d really like to think that the last “80” stood for all-electric range.

Chrsyler 700C - Stylistically Similar Front End To New T&C Plug-In

Chrsyler 700C – Stylistically Similar Front End To New T&C Plug-In

Chrysler 700c Concept

Chrysler 700c Concept

Last year, Chrysler not only confirmed the plug-in Town & Country was headed to production, but that it would arrive in late 2016.  Work is already underway in Windsor, Ontario where the PHEV will be built this Fall.

Getting back to our 80 MPGe guess on the teaser – we may have cheated a bit.   One of the few things we know about the electric T&C’s capabilities is a quote from Chrysler CEO Al Gardner that promised to deliver “75 miles per gallon”.

As for the van itself, the plug-in version is said to have a lot of the same features as the petrol version, but the “Stow ‘n Go” seats…had to go (as well as the sliding door too apparently)in order to make room for electrification.

Special thanks to Jeff T and his sharp eye!

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62 responses to "Chrysler Teases EV Reveal For NAIAS, Extended Range Town & Country With…"

  1. Scott says:

    *Shudders*

    Atrocious design.

    1. goaterguy says:

      It should be, the 700C was presented in January 2012. The design is 4 years old…

      1. Jay Cole says:

        …it takes a long time to get to from concept to production-intent to deliveries.

        For example, GM started concept work on the 2016 Volt interior in 2010, and locked in the design in late 2012, lol. So that shiny new Volt is rolling with 6 year old style…as are most new cars on the road.

        We found out about GM’s new BEV (Bolt) 25-30k production capacity in late 2014/early 2015 because of 3rd party supplier disclosure’s surrounding the manufacturing depth of components they may be required to build for GM’s new product – that’s a 2 year fabrication lead out just from an external part maker.

        The very best/quickest case in the industry today is right around 4 years – concept to road.

        1. Nix says:

          Thanks for this post. It is a topic worthy of a full-bore story. Even a series.

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            I second the nomination. Come on, Jay, write an article about this!

            I read a few years back that it was possible to fast-track an automobile design from clean sheet design to production in two years; and that even 18 months was barely possible.

            But now you’re saying it’s a minimum of four years.

            Have things changed that much in such a short time? Or, whoever it was who made that four-year claim… was he talking through his hat?

            Inquiring minds want to know! 😉

            1. Jay Cole says:

              Yes, in theory it could be done in 24 months (maybe even 18 months if you were ‘liberating’ most of the new vehicle from other vehicles/components you had in the pipeline already) if you look at base/minimum specific lead teams between all of the points along the way by themselves.

              However, in reality, this would have to have a lot of tumblers hit:

              – a clear and immediate decision to build a specific product from the moment of conception (without any feedback)
              – flawless execution/verifications through the process development
              – flawless fufillment/synchronism from suppliers on 100% of the new components
              – flawless certifications to sell
              – flawless PPD mules/production ramp

              …and most importantly, an open/bottomless checkbook from the OEM’s board, while also giving away complete control/oversight of the project to the person(s) who actually designed, engineer and build the car (basically the elimination of all ‘red tape’/oversight/micro-management hurdles).

              So it ‘could’ get down, but it would take a ton of faith in the product/people, a lot of money…and the end product would be a really scary gamble whatever it turned out to be – over just adding in a few valuable checks and balances/processes along the way to make sure it is right (and by right, I mean built to sell as best it can, lol).

              There has been a lot of talk of how quick cars ‘could’ come, or how quick it was from a particular point ‘A’ to ‘B’, but front-to-back, nothing has been quicker than ~4 years in volume production

              1. Josh says:

                Isn’t this the strength (or weakness in Model X case) of Tesla. One guy is really deciding the vision of the vehicle, so Step 1 and 2 are incredibly fast.

                Tesla is poor (but capitally efficient) at Step 3 and 5 historically.

                And Step 6 (funding) always seems to be a close call at launch. Note the addition fund raise Fall 2012 on Model S ramp. And additional loans late Summer 15 for Model X ramp. Both presumably on Step 5 not going smooth.

                1. Jay Cole says:

                  For sure. And that’s a good point to bring up.

                  People like to complain about how “slow” Tesla is, or how they miss their launch targets, but they are actually very fast for the reasons you mentioned. Actually “complain” probably isn’t fair, as the expectations on Tesla, have been self-inflicted to a degree – people anticipating the product are holding them accountable.

                  Your right that Tesla has something special, specifically they have a guy that says “I like this – go!”, then he gets up early and stays late to crack the whip getting it there. A kind of automotive dictatorship/commitment we haven’t seen in awhile.

                  But what makes them great/successful in the CEO, also can shoot them in the foot too (Musk’s Twitter promises and some apparent micromanaging – demand for certain functions/capacities and pursuit of perfection).

                  Again, when we talk about taking 4 years to market with a new offering from scratch – that is the absolute benchmark, not the norm…which is more like 6 years+ for the start of the concept/architectural design.

                  1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

                    Jay, thanks for taking the time to reply.

                    Jay Cole said:

                    “Again, when we talk about taking 4 years to market with a new offering from scratch – that is the absolute benchmark, not the norm…which is more like 6 years+ for the start of the concept/architectural design.”

                    Jay, I just want you to know that you’ve pulled out one of the cornerstones of what I thought I knew about automotive development. >:-/

                    For example, this means that the stimulus for GM to put the Volt into production, and for Nissan to put the Leaf into production, was not the Tesla Roadster actually being produced and sold, starting in early 2008. Looking over an article on the history of Tesla, if the minimum development time is 4 years, that suggests the stimulus was Tesla’s first public show-and-tell of a prototype, in July 2006.

                    Or, looking at your six-year timeframe, perhaps it was even earlier rumors that there was an unknown startup that was just working on producing an electric sports car; reportedly, Tesla built the first prototype in 2004. But it’s hard to believe that something so obscure would have inspired the Volt and the Leaf!

                    Well, this is why I read InsideEVs: To learn things. But this concept is going to take some time for me to process!

        2. goaterguy says:

          True, but who knows how many years befrore presentation this 700C concept design was started?
          Also, not all initial designs get to production, there are tweaks based on reactions of focus groups and show presentation. Even after production, manufacturers can choose to tweak the designs in emergency redesigns like the Civic and Malibu.

          1. Jay Cole says:

            Nope, no clue how long…I have to say, at the time I didn’t care too much when Chrysler was talking vans in 2012, (=

            And agree, we fully expect lots of tweaks to the concept, as that is often the norm, and how OEMs get feedback on a design…we were just saying this was promoted as “foreshadowing”/giving us a early glimpse at where the T&C is headed. /just passing it along

            Here is the probably the best spyshot of it from this fall and the concept…you can decide if any inspiration survived over 3+ years:

            Here is the 700C:

    2. Sting777 says:

      Designed not to sell. Like the first gen Prius.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Indeed.

        We had a Chrysler Town & Country (gasmobile, of course). Loved the Stow & Go seats (2nd and 3rd row seats fold into the floor) and the sliding rear doors. Remove both of those… you might as well call it a station wagon.

        They should have raised the floor behind the front seats to make room for a flat battery pack yet keep the minivan features. It wouldn’t be the end of the world if they had to install a step in the rear doorway!

        This concept is a fugly design, too.

    3. ArkansasVolt says:

      If it is priced right, I would get it in a heartbeat. I need something for my family of 6 to fit in and still have a plug.

      1. kdawg says:

        This. I can’t speak for myself, but I know several people looking for people-haulers that have plugs.

    4. EVcarNut says:

      Maybe it’s Not very Photogenic (I hope)I Hate to say this., But.., This Minivan Is Butt Ugly

      1. EVcarNut says:

        PS…Reminds me of the 0ld GM Spock mobile..

      2. pjwood1 says:

        Its not what’s on the outside.

      3. kdawg says:

        Name a sexy mini-van?

    5. Gsned57 says:

      Couldn’t care less about the styling. 30-40 miles aer and seating for 8 would be perfect. In a year or two I’ll be considering this, a used tesla, and that’s about it with 7 seats and a plug. Thank you Chrysler!

  2. ClarksonCote says:

    Could this be the 8 person plug-in behemoth that Brian has always dreamed of?

    1. Josh says:

      If this isn’t staggeringly expensive, it could end up being very popular.

      80 MPGe feels like about 30 mile AER for a vehicle this size. That would be pretty awesome.

    2. Brian says:

      Nope. I’ll keep dreaming. Besides, I’ve moved on. I now want my mid-life-crisis sports car!

      1. sven says:

        Faraday Future FFZERO1?

        1. Brian says:

          I am batman!

          1. Mister G says:

            Robin can sit on your lap

      2. GeorgeS says:

        I agree Brian. :]

        1. GeorgeS says:

          only in my case it would be an “end of life” crisis :]

  3. Someone out there says:

    8 wheels and 80 hp? 🙂

  4. Sublime says:

    8 seats, 80 cup holders

    1. EVcarNut says:

      8 cup holders & 80 transistors

  5. Phatcat73 says:

    8 miles EV range, 80 USB ports?

  6. Foo says:

    88 miles range, 0 visual appeal.

  7. pjwood1 says:

    8 cylinders, 80 watt/hrs

  8. Foo says:

    The Chrysler logo always makes me think of those cheap plastic “pilot’s wings” pins they used to hand out on airplanes when I was a kid.

    1. sven says:

      I remember them always being made of metal. I must be older than you.

      1. wavelet says:

        I had several, from 5-6 airlines, in the early 1970s. All were plastic.

        1. sven says:

          I had a couple of metal ones from the early 70’s, but they were from trans-Atlantic flights mostly on KLM, and maybe also on PanAm. Perhaps they gave the higher quality metal wings on long international flights, or it was only KLM that gave metal ones.

  9. David S. says:

    800 miles range on gas + 80 miles AER ?

  10. skeptic says:

    80 thousand dollars?

    1. Ndm says:

      $880 a month for 88 months, North America loves debt

  11. PVH says:

    I would fire the designer of that car on the spot. The shareholder of Chrysler is (at least partly) Italian right ? (Fiat Group). They know how to design a car usually…

  12. tom911 says:

    I 8(Hate) the looks..

    Looks like it 8 (ate) something bad.

    0 interest…

  13. Brian says:

    There is a gas hose in the first 8, and then two plugs in the 80.

    Plus the first 8 is surrounded by people/pets/stuff. So I’m inclined to agree that it’s seating for 8.

    But the two plugs in the 80 lead me to believe that it’s not 80MPGe. I’d love it to be 80 miles AER, but that would require a price tag near $80,000! 😉

    I can’t think of anything better, though.

    1. Well, since Fiat is in Europe, and Not in Germany, maybe the two plugs mean it can plug in anywhere – and has CCS AND a Tesla Plug!
      (Elon did say he was discussing the Supercharger and Access with a OEM from Europe that was not in Germany, and Fiat fits that definition!)

      Imagine – if you could charge at any public Plug (J1772), use the CCS Fast Chargers, AND Tesla Superchargers (& Destination Chargers) – AND – CHAdeMO – with the Tesla CHAdeMO Adapter (or – a Chrysler labeled copy of it!) IF THAT were True of this – a lot of heads would be shaking!

      While it could be a Range Extended EV that NEEDS TWO Wall Plugs to charge it up, I like the above Explanation better! And – it it was actually – 80 Miles AER, Plus 800 miles Range on Gas – AND Carried 8 People, it would be quite a feat, Particularly if it could use the Supercharger Network!! It would be almost a Coup for Chrysler if they [Fiat] were in fact, able to make a deal with Tesla and partner with them!!

      Notice the Tesla Italy Supercharger plans for this year – https://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger shows it pretty much fully covered by the end of this year – just in time for the launch of this vehicle!

      1. Brian says:

        Sounds like a wonderful vehicle you’ve envisioned there. Too rich for my blood, though.

        But I like the idea that it supports two plugs. Heck, that could just mean that it supports CCS as well as J1772. Doesn’t the Outlander PHEV have a CHAdeMO port?

        1. Josh says:

          Outlander PHEV does have a CHAdeMO. Such a rare bird.

          1. Maybe not as rare as a BMW i3 with CHAdeMO, J1772 (under the hood) and a gasoline inlet.

            1. Josh says:

              Pictures or it didn’t happen 😉

      2. Interesting that the Gas Hose and the first Plug are designed in the figure ‘8’, and the second plug is in the racetrack like ‘0’!

        To me this sounds a bit like either: ‘Commuting on Gas or Electricity, with a Long Distance Charging Option’, or – ‘Commuting on Electricity (with Zero Emissions) and Taking Long trips on Electricity and Gas for Backup!’

        And – on YouTube: “Chrysler 880. What will it be?” – https://youtu.be/jV3iSP931eE – the Animations shows, among other things – little lightening bolts flashing between the prongs of the plugs! the Second 8 and the 0, show people walking and riding bikes – ostensibly much more ‘Green’ than driving an ICE, for example!

        Even Torque News is chiming in on this one – http://www.torquenews.com/106/chrysler-880-coming-detroit-what-it (I think they saw the Fuel Hose, but looks like the Missed the Two Plugs!)

      3. Josh says:

        My guess on the Tesla SuperCharger partnership would be Austin Martin with their new EV push.

  14. Stuart22 says:

    Looking at the side view, I see the face of an alien looking out on the world….

  15. Robb Stark says:

    Ford charges a $14k premium for its Fusion Energi over its base version.

    T&C base MSRP is $29.9k. I would expect premium for PHEV version to be no more than $44k. With Federal tax credit just under $40k.

    With a JEEP version coming a year later.

    I expect them to sell quite well with no direct competition. Should be bigger and cheaper than Outlander PHEV.

    1. wavelet says:

      Bigger? Sure. Cheaper? Highly unlikely. The gasoline Outlander is one of the cheapest SUVs in Europe, it’s mids-sized, and the PHEV is 5-seater only.

      An 8-seater Chrysler PHEV (assuming at least 25mi AER) will be full-size, much heavier, ergo need much larger battery capacity.
      Mitsu als ohas some economies of scale on its side, since they’ve been selling it for a while.

      1. Robb Stark says:

        T@C will be made in North America not shipped from Japan which adds ~6k per unit in cost.

        Anyways, in the US BEV-PHEV market there is not a direct relationship between cost and retail price.

        FCA needs to sell X amount of PHEVs and BEVs to earn enough ZEV credits to remain CARB compliant and sell enough fuel efficient cars to offset Rams to remain CAFE compliant. Ditto GM vis-a-vis Silverado and Suburbans and Ford vis-a-vis F150 and Expedition.

        They need X price to get Y sales.

        My guesstimate is under $40k after Federal Credit.

        Mitsubishi does not need Outlander PHEV sales to offset gas guzzlers. It only needs a handful of ZEV credits to remain CARB compliant.

        Given prices for Outlander PHEV in international markets sans VAT my guess is at least $50k MSRP.

        1. Mitsubishi is exempt from CARB Zero Emission compliance.

          They don’t need to sell a single one.

  16. R.S says:

    I hope its an EV! An electric Chrysler could be a real competition for the Focus electric. Which company lacks the most interest in designing and selling an EV. It could have a range of 88 miles and and a new fast charging standard no one else uses. So its 88 miles of range and 0 fast charging options. That wouldn’t sell so much!

    1. Brian says:

      Nope, not pure EV. The picture clearly has a gas hose in it, as well as (two?) plugs. The only reasonable assumption is a PHEV.

  17. ModernMarvelFan says:

    880?

    8 miles of all electric miles and 80 MPGe running in EV mode…

    LOL.

  18. Evdrive says:

    8 year old design. Will be in the shop for repairs 80 days a year.

  19. none says:

    8 Minutes to 80 MPH in EV mode. Yeah, that is what they are trying to say.

    The racetrack background is their way of saying, “Professional driver on a closed course. Do not attempt on city streets”.

  20. Loboc says:

    Lol. Y’all and your 880 stuff.

    Since the concept was 700C, I’m thinking this one is 800C with 80mpge.