Check Out This Striking Comparison Between Tesla Model S & ICE Car – Body Removed

2 years ago by Eric Loveday 75


One looks clean and modern, while the other appears overly cluttered and far too complicated.

Images enlarged below:

Tesla Model S Minus Body

Tesla Model S Minus Body

ICE Minus Body

ICE Minus Body

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75 responses to "Check Out This Striking Comparison Between Tesla Model S & ICE Car – Body Removed"

  1. Jimmy says:

    This is not a completely apples to apples comparison. The Tesla does not show their radiator(s), a/c condenser, a/c lines, etc like the Land Rover does.

    1. Draighven says:

      The land rover also appears to be several years old, when new the ICE frame is just as shiny as the Tesla.

      1. We’re not looking at the damn level of shine for crying out loud! We’re looking at the level of CLUTTER. Shine =/=clutter.

        1. BraveLilToaster says:

          Oh? One of these is on a showroom floor. The other one is in a garage. One of these images has been sanitized for public consumption, the other has not.

          If the second picture was of a Ford Focus that’s been cut away to show what’s underneath and then put on display at DIAS, then it would be a good comparison.

        2. ModernMarvelFan says:

          “We’re not looking at the damn level of shine for crying out loud! We’re looking at the level of CLUTTER. Shine =/=clutter.”

          LOL. Typical Tesla fan boy..

          It is easier to look less cluttered if you cheat by “hidding” the rest of the stuff such as the 12V battery, coolant and radiator pipes for the battery…etc.

          Yes, people have to exaggerate or lie to make Tesla look better. I guess that is not a sign of desperation, just “an honest mistake”.

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            ModernMarvelFan trolled:

            “Yes, people have to exaggerate or lie to make Tesla look better. I guess that is not a sign of desperation, just ‘an honest mistake’.”

            Quit trolling, ModernMarvelFan. The Tesla showroom skateboard is not a “mistake”, it’s a way to show what their powertrain looks like without hiding it under extraneous stuff… like radiators and condensers.

            I visited a Tesla showroom a few months ago, and they had one of those skateboards. That does indeed make it much easier for the salesman to point out features of the Model S’s battery pack, powertrain and suspension.

            So quit trying to blame Tesla Motors because some third party posted an auto body shop candid photo of a gas guzzler with the body removed, instead of a legacy auto maker’s shiny demo.

            One advantage of BEVs over gasmobiles, one which isn’t often discussed, is that they’re clean. You don’t have to put oil in them. No leaking oil in the engine compartment; no need to carry oily rags or empty oil cans/bottles in the trunk… oil that seeps into the trunk lining or carpet. That means it’s much easier to keep BEVs clean, so they tend to stay clean.

            The fact that the uncovered gasmobile is filthy dirty after being driven a few years isn’t at all biased; it shows the reality quite clearly.

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              PuPu Lensman wrote: “ModernMarvelFan trolled:”

              Calling me trolling when you didn’t understand what I wrote? LOL. You are the biggest troll here since you hardly understand anything technical. But I will play alone.

              “Yes, people have to exaggerate or lie to make Tesla look better. I guess that is not a sign of desperation, just ‘an honest mistake’.”

              “Quit trolling, ModernMarvelFan. The Tesla showroom skateboard is not a “mistake”, it’s a way to show what their powertrain looks like without hiding it under extraneous stuff… like radiators and condensers.”

              Maybe you should read it again before you make baseless accusation. Nobody ever said the Tesla’s showroom is a mistake. It is ONLY a mistake or “lie” to dishonestly showing a showroom skateboard design without the comparable components while showing the entire ICE powertrain and chasis.

              The fact that they don’t show everything related to the battery and power system is misleading at lead or an “honest mistake” since it isn’t a fair comparison.

              “I visited a Tesla showroom a few months ago, and they had one of those skateboards. That does indeed make it much easier for the salesman to point out features of the Model S’s battery pack, powertrain and suspension.”

              Nobody is arguing that it isn’t except for all the parts that are missing in the front such as radiator, hoses..etc for the cooling system of the battery.

              “So quit trying to blame Tesla Motors because some third party posted an auto body shop candid photo of a gas guzzler with the body removed, instead of a legacy auto maker’s shiny demo.”

              Nobody is blaming the Tesla motors for having a skateboard design (which has long been showed by both Toyota and GM a long time ago). Nobody is arguing that EV powertrains aren’t superior.

              My entire point is that the showing of two pictures aren’t fair since the picture on the Tesla omitted signficantly portion of the so called “clutters”. (Yes, that is the key point here, clutter, not your so called oil or dirts that you thought)

              Now, you should learn to read and understand the entire before posting any more of that “attacking nonsense”… It will only make me respect you less. I was actually starting to give you some credits based on your recent posts, but I guess I am wrong again… LOL.

              1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

                I’m going to stand on what I posted, ModernMarvelFan. I certainly don’t feel the need to descend into personal insult, as you did.

                1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                  PuPu wrote:

                  “I’m going to stand on what I posted, ModernMarvelFan. I certainly don’t feel the need to descend into personal insult, as you did.”

                  Sorry to break it to you that when you called me a troll or “trolling”, that was the first shot of so called “insult”. If you didn’t throw the “first stone”, I wouldn’t have returned with a “pile of rocks” so to speak.

                  Now, many of your so called points are absolutely valid. However, that is not the same as what I was trying to say. My point was entirely on how “biased” the comparison of the two photos are. Not that they aren’t real or modified in anyway. It was directed at the point of being “less cluttered”. Overall, it should be less cluttered, but using a picture that is missing a lot of the components is unfair, biased or misleading.

                  Just remember that if you keep it civil, so will I. If you don’t, I won’t either.

              2. Dan says:

                Here’s an equivalent “marketing” quality photo of a 3 series chassis. Not a fan of BMW but this goes to show how much of the “emotion” we feel comes from how a photo is taken and how it is processed.

                1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                  Exactly!

                  If someone used this photo to show case how “clean” and “simple” that an ICE powertrain is, I would have questioned it the same way as far as “misleading” photo is concerned.

                  1. RexxSee says:

                    Nope, this is a CG picture.

          2. RexxSee says:

            Go on MMF, find a serviced Tesla with the body removed 😉

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              That is not the point here. You can follow the links provided by Kubel down below to see all the so called “missing components” from the picture.

              Model S is a body on frame design. Most ICE cars have no longer using that design since the 1980s. The older Crown Vic or Chevy Caprice were some of the last of those so called “body on frame” design. Only SUVs are still using that design.

              Most cars today are unibody which welds frame and body into one piece. That is why you would rarely find an ICE car (not SUV or pickup trucks) with that kind of picture. But autoshows are often the good places to find those so called “exploited views”.

            2. ModernMarvelFan says:

              I guess you never saw the Tesla wrecks or every heard of Stretchla…

              Here are some photos just from the front end where all the so called “missing parts” are..

              Yes, radiators are there. Yes, there are 3 of them!!!

              http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/19176-Model-S-60kwh-Salvage-Title-For-Sale

              http://cafeelectric.com/stretchla/2014/03/09/video3/img_1719/#main

              You should also watch this guy’s amazing job at fixing a Tesla wreck himself.

              http://cafeelectric.com/stretchla/

              Watch the mark of 2mins to 4mins and see how much “clutter” is there on the front.

              It is still better than ICE cars but it is certainly way more “cluttered” than the “showroom” picture above.

              1. RexxSee says:

                It’s not a third of what fills the hood of an ICE, and we are only talking of whats under the hood!

                1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                  Do you want to break out the Telsa battery pack and compare 8650 18650 format cells in the 90kWh battery pack against the number of parts in the picture above and see which one has more parts?

                  I didn’t think so…

                  So, spare me the “exaggeration” game.

                  1. RexxSee says:

                    Battery cells are all the same and dont have to move.
                    ICE parts all wear and rub and over heat all the time. Much more complexity for much less efficiency and much shorter life.

                    1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                      “Battery cells are all the same and dont have to move.”

                      LOL. You wish they are all the “same”. They are all similar built to the same spec with same materials but saying that they are all the same is just ignorant. Else, they wouldn’t need individual cell management as Tesla has put in.

                      No, they don’t move, but they still fail. Just becuase they are moving, it doesn’t mean they will fail. Yes, motions will create NVH which drives wear and tear but battery “ages” naturally even if you don’t move it.

                      “ICE parts all wear and rub and over heat all the time. Much more complexity for much less efficiency and much shorter life.”

                      LOL. But the difference is that those ICE parts are designed to do that. Yes, they are much higher in operating temperature but they can also stand much higher temperature. As we can see in both the LEAF pack or Tesla packs, once they are overheated, the battery cells will go up in flames as well.

                      Now, back to the photo you provided, can you pointed out all “moving” parts vs. “non-moving” parts.

                      LOL. Don’t bother, it will take you all week…

                  2. RexxSee says:

                    Lol! Go ahead and find us an exploded picture of battery pack. It will be quite boring.

                    1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                      It wasn’t boring when it was on fire with a single cell shortage.

                      BTW, with “far lower” powertrain moving parts, somehow Model S managed a worse reliability than a more complex Prius. I guess either your theory is wrong or Tesla isn’t good at making reliable cars yet.

                      So, that shows that “less parts” doesn’t mean better, at least in terms of reliabiity. LOL.

      2. RexxSee says:

        Here is another view point. Look at all the removed parts from the 1995 Chrysler intrepid Hydro-Québec’s engineer Pierre Couture, when he created his famous in-wheel electric car
        (1200hp EACH wheel).

        Lot of useless stuff we need for burning hydrocarbons and poison ourselves.

        http://s10.postimg.org/4qslpftnt/Pi_ces_absentes_Pierre_Couture_surplus_moteur_p.jpg

        1. ModernMarvelFan says:

          I guess you have to use a 20 year old system to illustrate your point.

          1. RexxSee says:

            NO, sorry, it,s the only one I have.

            1. RexxSee says:

              It’s a snapshot of a youtube video from a VHS recording from 1996. It’s pretty clear actually 😉

              1. RexxSee says:

                Here is a spyshot of this car on remote control.

              2. ModernMarvelFan says:

                VHS? LOL.

        2. ModernMarvelFan says:

          Oh, I took a 2nd look at that fuzzy pictures again. Guess what? I saw a lot of parts in that pictures that are completely present on the Tesla as well.

          There is a front end drive shaft which is present on the Dual motor Tesla.

          There is that 12V battery, radiator, gearbox. AC compressor, fans, hoses and tubes for various fluids also present on the Tesla…

          Yes, the gas tank and ICE and exhausts are “poison burning” devices. But let us not exaggerate way beyond reason.

          1. RexxSee says:

            It’s funny how the sentence “Let’s not exaggerate way beyond reason” is an exaggeration, beyond reason…

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              LOL.

              The exaggeration is exactly what you don’t get thus this long discussion back and forth.

              you and other Tesla fan boy have show pictures of ICE with everything inside where the Tesla picture from the show room doesn’t show anything with the front end which has been shown by other people’s links and my links.

              Yes, I call that exaggeration.

          2. RexxSee says:

            Don’t you exaggerate when you are comparing a single reduction gearbox to a huge multi speed transmission? and a huge radiator to the… where is this radiator on the Tesla? show me please.

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              Did you not look at the links I provide above?

              Do you not see the 3 different radiators in the wrecked picture front end there?

              1. RexxSee says:

                How dare you compare to the monster dangerous cooling system of an ICE?!?
                Let the guy from this link explain
                http://www.alsetire.com/node/54

                1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                  LOL.

                  How dare that you claim that Tesla didn’t have radiators? LOL.

                  How about taking away the Tesla radiators and drive the Model S on the hwy for a while and see how long the battery packs last before it overheats… LOL

                  You are getting funnier by the minutes.

            2. ModernMarvelFan says:

              “Don’t you exaggerate when you are comparing a single reduction gearbox to a huge multi speed transmission?”

              Also don’t exaggerate when you compare the a CVT or eCVT with a single gear box reduction and see how many “moving parts” are between a single speed reduction vs. a CVT.

              “common” people would have thought that single speed would have 2 gears… LOL. But look up one and then compare it to a simple CTV and see how many moving parts are there.

              Yes, a 4/5/6/7/8/9/10 speed automatic transmission would have been far more complex with tons of moving parts. But taking the most complex forms as example is exactly an exaggeration. Compare to a CVT for once.

              I also believe that I have lectured enough about transmission with Lensman/PuPu, I don’t need to do it again here.

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              Or you can have this

              LOL.

              Or the LEAF “engine bay” picture…

              1. RexxSee says:

                Not cluttered at all, lot of room , unlike the ICE car, and no transmission, no shaft, no differential, no manifold, exhaust catalyst system, elaborat cooling system, etc.
                K.I.S.S.

                1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                  “Not cluttered at all, lot of room , unlike the ICE car, ”

                  What? Are you really that dumb that you can’t tell the space inside a LEAf engine bay vs. a small ICE engine bay? LOL YOu haven’t seen much of anything I guess.

                  “and no transmission, no shaft, no differential”

                  Completely BS. EVs have a single speed transmission. So, it is still a transmission, just a simpler ones. ICE uses simple CVTs to.

                  Shaft? What is that shaft connecting the Telsa gear box to the wheel then? A stick? LOL. Only RWD/Front Engines have long drive shaft. FWD/Front Engines don’t either just like your EVs. All cars have differential even your beloved Model S as all cars have to allow wheels to move at different speed at the turn.

                  “no manifold, exhaust catalyst system, elaborat cooling system, etc.”

                  You are right on the manifold, exhaust system, but the cooling system on the Tesla Model S is pretty complex as it has to cool over 8,000 cells. LOL.

                  ICE have complex and expensive exhaust system, EV has a complex battery system alone with expensive and complex high power IC drive system. So, it is a wash in terms of expensive parts and part count.

    2. Tesla has reached maximum desperation level.

      1. What? What nonsense are you spouting now? Why would they be desperate? It’s just a sodding picture comparison. Hardly a desperate measure.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Tesla-hating trolls have reached maximum desperation level.

      3. Nix says:

        Would be a better comparison if they took the battery cover off of the Tesla battery pack, showing what’s inside.

  2. SparkEV says:

    Why does ICE look dirty like it’s been through mud bath while Tesla look clean? Apples to mud?

    1. Leptoquark says:

      I think any ICE car that’s been driven anything over 10-15k miles would look like that. Conversely, the Tesla car is in the mall showroom. I would be really interested to see a Tesla chassis after 50K miles.

    2. kubel says:

      Tesla rolling chassis picture is also missing several components. Where’s the radiator? Where are the hoses? Wiring? Reservoirs (brake fluid, washer fluid, radiator fluid)?

      http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/qXIvPg1-750×421.jpg

      http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Want-to-know-what-it-really-looks-like-under-the-hood-Imgur-750×562.jpg

      1. sven says:

        It’s like those before and after picture for weight loss products where they use bad/harsh lighting, bad angles, and no makeup to make the before pic look worse, while using flattering lighting, good poses, and plenty of makeup in the after pic to make the after pic look better.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          sven, I challenge you to find a picture, any picture, of a Model S which is dirty like that gasmobile is. The fact is that BEVs just don’t get dirty and stay dirty the way gasmobiles do, period.

          Here’s a candid photo of the underside of a Model S in the shop. [snark] Sadly, altho I spent some time searching on Google Images, I couldn’t find a single photo of the underside of a Tesla Model S which looked dirty. [/snark] But hey, maybe you can find one.

      2. Nick says:

        Wow!

        There’s basically nothing under the hood in the rear wheel drive Tesla.

        Did they do that just so they could have a huge frunk? Or does this simplify the platform for other bodies?

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          An ICEngine needs a large number of Rube Goldberg kludges to make it work in powering an automobile. Kludges like a radiator, fan, oil pump, fuel pump, muffler… things the BEV doesn’t need and doesn’t have.

          As I understand it, the Model S doesn’t have a radiator, altho it does have condensers for the A/C and the battery cooling system. But those condensers are sealed; no need to expose them because the driver never needs to add water or antifreeze.

          So, designing the rear-wheel-drive Model S with “nothing under the hood” (or rather, hiding the condensers away out of sight and leaving a large “frunk” storage space) isn’t the result of needing to make the design versatile; it’s just the happy result of a BEV not needing all those kludges that cripple the outdated, highly inefficient, highly over-complicated, and soon to be obsolete gasmobile.

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            PuPu (aka clueless about anything engineering)

            As I understand it, the Model S doesn’t have a radiator, altho it does have condensers for the A/C and the battery cooling system. But those condensers are sealed; no need to expose them because the driver never needs to add water or antifreeze.”

            What is the battery cooling system cooling device called? It is a radiator since it radiates heat out unless you narrowly define raadiators only as a heat dissipating devices for ICE engines. But in that case, you should have them to heat up your house then… LOL

            “because the driver never needs to add water or antifreeze.”

            water or antifreeze are all called “coolants”. ICE cooling system don’t require you to add water or antifreeze either unless it leaks! Same with EV system. In fact, Volt cooling system had to be refilled and Tesla cooling system have reported “leaking” issue as well…

          2. Mark says:

            It continues to astound me how little BEV enthusiasts know about cars.

            Even BEVs require a lot of the plumbing and components that an ICE car requires, even bough they will need to be powered electrically, instead of by the accessory belt drive. All BEVs require coolants and oils and refrigerant. They may not be put into as heavy of use and degrade in the same way that they would on an ICE car, but liquid battery cooling systems do require coolant, as do the cooling systems for the motors and transmissions.

            None of the images have really provided a good comparison between the ICE. The best comparison would be between similar manufacturers and segments, not a $100,000 showy luxury car vs a utility vehicle.

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              “It continues to astound me how little BEV enthusiasts know about cars.”

              Exactly! That is often the problem with EV communities. When they go out to represent the EV supporter, they often look like idiots since they don’t know anything about cars.

              EV powertrains are far superior in many times. But exaggerating how great EV powertrians are while overestimate the modern ICE cars are just silly.

  3. Kevin Z says:

    It would be interesting to compare the quantity of components for each car.

  4. goodbyegascar says:

    Oil furnace versus electric heater.

  5. Tom says:

    Old vs. new for sure…

  6. Three Electrics says:

    It’s hard to get a shot that shows off the titanium shield on the underbody of the Tesla.

  7. ffbj says:

    The Tesla model is so high above the ice that it’s wheels don’t even touch the ground.
    They should put a heavenly glow around it.

    1. Alan says:

      A Halo would have been good !

  8. kubel says:

    To be fair, there are many critical components missing on the Tesla whereas the rolling ICE chassis is more or less complete. It’s also been on the road for several years.

    Take a 6 year old Tesla Model S and put it up against a brand new rolling ICE chassis, and people will be like, “oh, wow, look how dirty the Tesla is”.

    Summary: Bad comparison.

    1. ModernMarvelFan says:

      I can’t believe I agree with you for once.

    2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      kubel said:

      “Take a 6 year old Tesla Model S and put it up against a brand new rolling ICE chassis, and people will be like, ‘oh, wow, look how dirty the Tesla is’.”

      Nope. Anybody who has spent much time in a mechanic’s shop, or an auto service center, knows just how dirty cars and trucks (or any ICE vehicle) get in just a few years, because of leaking oil spreading everywhere, picking up dirt and causing it to be caked on.

      That’s a problem which no BEV will ever have.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        “because of leaking oil spreading everywhere, picking up dirt and causing it to be caked on”

        Maybe you should have bought a good ICE that doesn’t leak…

        LOL.

        1. Evdrive says:

          Now you’re not making any sense. ICE cars leak poison out of the tailpipe, which is why I and others who care about the future of this world hate them. ICE cars stink and they suck and no amount of apologizing for them or rabid Tesla bashing will change that fact.

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            “Now you’re not making any sense. ICE cars leak poison out of the tailpipe, which is why I and others who care about the future of this world hate them. ICE cars stink and they suck and no amount of apologizing for them or rabid Tesla bashing will change that fact.”

            Wait, are you switching topics here? Nobody is arguing that EVs aren’t clean or better in many area or many ways. But please don’t exaggerate the difference in complexity or clutters or under estimate the supporting system required for EVs.

  9. G says:

    They are not comparing cleanliness. The comparison is about how much machinery is involved.

    1. mr. M says:

      If you think that your decissions are not based on emotions you are dumb. Cleaniness definitely affect how you rate things even if it is more :

      ICE (used) 5 points
      ICE (clean) 10 points
      Model S (clean) 100 points
      Model S (used and with HVAC, Radiator, …) 30 points

  10. Steve says:

    I like me a Tesla, but this comparison just reflects poorly on Tesla fanboys.

    It’s about as fairly portrayed as the “I lost this much weight in 30 days!” infomercials where the “before” pic shows them without makeup, frowning, dark and stormy skies, etc and the “after” pic is with a fresh haircut, smiling, on a beach.

  11. ModernMarvelFan says:

    Oh, let us also don’t forget the fact that ICE powertrain picture is for an AWD/4WD system and Tesla picture is for a 2WD system as well.

    The last word is that nobody is arguing that EV powertrain aren’t superior or less complex. But there are no need to exaggerate with pictures that are completely misleading, incomplete or aren’t “fair” comparison.

    1. RexxSee says:

      The last word is that those two pictures are not a fair comparison, but that you greatly exaggerate the simple technology of an electric drive to make your point.
      If we had two side by side stripped equivalent cars, like a Mercedes s550 with a Model S, the difference would still be striking!

      And your insults to commenters only show the fragility of your argumentation. Your look ridiculous.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        “The last word is that those two pictures are not a fair comparison”

        That was my original point. But you and other Tesla fan boys refuse to acknowledge that point by going further show your lack of knowledge in cars in general.

        We could have saved much time by just agreeing that pictures aren’t fair and let it be. Instead, I have spend so much time lecturing you about the cars in general.

        “And your insults to commenters only show the fragility of your argumentation. Your look ridiculous.”

        LOL. Dude, I didn’t throw the first rock. I only throw a pile of them back after the first one was thrown.

        I don’t need to insult you for your lack of knowledge in automobile field in general. Your biased and often completely wrong comments speak for themselves.