BREAKING: Nissan Prices LEAF Battery Replacement at $5,499, New Packs More Heat Durable

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How Much Will A Replacement 24 kWh LEAF Battery Set You Back ?  $5,499

How Much Will A Replacement 24 kWh LEAF Battery Set You Back ? $5,499

To say that consumers have been waiting on a hard and firm pricing for a replacement 24 kWh battery pack in the Nissan LEAF (or any plug-in really for that matter) would be an understatement.

"Resetting" The Range On Your LEAF - Now Reasonably Priced

“Resetting” The Range On Your LEAF – Now Reasonably Priced

Well, wonder no longer as $5,499 plus the turn-in of your old pack (which Nissan values at $1,000) nets you a new “2015 spec” battery replacement.

Using $6,499 as a full MSRP on the pack means Nissan is putting a price of $270/kWh on the cells.

That retail price per kWh would seem to prove the notion that automotive-specific/larger cell application, while costlier to develop at first, is now paying dividends in volume production.

Also as part of that replacement, Brian Brockman (Sr Manager) from Nissan says the new pack has the much anticipate new 2015 “lizard” battery, more able to take extreme heat.

“Changes in battery chemistry, however, have been made in an effort to make the battery more durable in extremely hot climates. (So, yes…this is what you’ve been calling the “lizard” battery.) We knew it was important to early buyers to purchase the latest technology. Holding the replacement program until this summer meant we would be offering just that.”

The next most obvious question is “can you go down to your local Nissan and just purchase a battery pack outright without turning in your old one?”  No, you can’t.

This pricing announcement also speaks to expected pricing of the next generation LEAF, which is expected to be offered in two range packages; one being today’s 84 mile version and another with approximately 150 miles of all-electric driving.   A 150 mile EV starting at around $35,000 in two years time sounds decent to us.

Mr. Brockman posted an extended statement at MyNissanLEAF as well a little Q&A, which we have attached below:

Price per kWh? About $270

Price per kWh? About $270

Hi all:

I’m happy to be back to provide a long-awaited update on the Nissan LEAF battery replacement plan.

Last year, I posted preliminary details of the program that we’d created based on early survey data, and it led to spirited discussion (and very vocal criticism). So we went back to the drawing board with your comments and the ongoing guidance of the LEAF Advisory Board. Over the past year, we’ve used owner feedback to create a program we believe will better serve you and our other current drivers. Sorry we’ve been quiet on this topic. I hope you agree that it was worth the wait.

Battery replacements are now available for purchase at your certified Nissan LEAF dealers in the United States. The suggested retail price of the Nissan LEAF battery pack is $5,499. This price includes and requires a return of your original battery pack (valued at $1,000) to the dealer in exchange for the new battery. This price does not include tax, installation fees or an installation kit required for 2011 and 2012 vehicles. The MSRP for the installation kit (which includes brackets and other minor parts required to retrofit the newer pack to original vehicles) is approximately $225. Nissan expects the installation to take about three hours. However, dealers set the final pricing, so we recommend confirming with your local retailer.

We are also continuing to finalize details for a Nissan financing program for those who prefer an affordable monthly payment option, and we expect to keep that monthly payment in the $100 per month range. But to be clear, at the end of the finance terms, you own the battery. It is not a lease or rental. I will post more details here later this year when they are finalized, but we didn’t want to delay announcing the battery price itself any longer.

These replacement batteries are the same battery found in 2015 LEAF vehicles, which are also on sale now at Nissan dealers. As a replacement, this battery is expected to provide similar range and charging characteristics as the battery offered since the launch of the LEAF in 2010. Changes in battery chemistry, however, have been made in an effort to make the battery more durable in extremely hot climates. (So, yes…this is what you’ve been calling the “lizard” battery.) We knew it was important to early buyers to purchase the latest technology. Holding the replacement program until this summer meant we would be offering just that.

Replacement packs will carry similar warranty coverage as a new LEAF: 8 years/100,000 miles against defects and 5 years/60,000 miles against capacity loss.

Below is a bit more Q&A on the topic that you may find helpful.

Thank you all for your patience on this topic. We’ve been hard at work developing a plan driven by your feedback, and we hope you’re satisfied with the results.

Brian

Q. Will I own this battery outright?
A. Yes, unless you choose to finance the battery, in which case the finance company will have an interest in the battery until it is paid for in full.

Q. What happens to my old battery? Can I keep it?
A. No. The old battery must be exchanged for the new battery as a condition of the sale of the replacement battery, and Nissan’s suggested retail battery pricing reflects a $1,000 core value assigned to the battery. Nissan will ensure that the old battery is recycled and disposed of properly or possibly reused as part of our 4R Energy business.

Q. For resale, how can I prove that my car has a new battery?
A: Your certified Nissan LEAF dealer will provide you with a copy of the repair order showing your lithium-ion battery replacement at the time the replacement is made. If for any reason you do not receive it, ask your dealer for a copy. Additionally, any authorized Nissan dealer can confirm the battery replacement by reviewing the vehicle’s service history by authorized Nissan dealers which is maintained by VIN.

Q. Is the replacement battery compatible with all Nissan LEAF models?
A. All 2011 through 2015 LEAF models are currently compatible with the replacements being offered in this purchase program. However, a separate installation kit must be purchased at the customer’s expense for all 2011 and 2012 vehicles.

Q. Who qualifies for a replacement?
A. To be eligible to purchase a replacement battery, you must be a current LEAF owner, and you must agree to exchange your existing battery pack for the replacement battery. You must also read, acknowledge and sign a customer disclosure form and trade-in agreement. In order to allow for battery trade-in, and as a further condition of sale, customer must represent by signing the disclosure form that either (1) their LEAF vehicle and old lithium-ion battery are owned by customer free and clear of any liens and encumbrances; or (2) that any lender with a lien on the vehicle and/or original battery consents to the battery exchange. Customer must agree to assist Nissan in obtaining a signed consent from the lienholder.

Q. What are the terms of Nissan’s financing?
A: We plan to release the exact terms of the financing by the end of the year.

Q. Will you offer higher capacity batteries to upgrade my LEAF in the future?
A: Currently, we can only discuss the 24kWh LEAF pack. We are not making any announcements concerning larger potential battery pack sizes for future products at this time.

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90 responses to "BREAKING: Nissan Prices LEAF Battery Replacement at $5,499, New Packs More Heat Durable"

  1. kdawg says:

    “Nissan is putting a price of $270/kWh on the cells.”
    ———–
    It included the pack too, so not just the cells.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Well, you have to furnish them with the old pack…so kinda, (;

      We assume Nissan is eating any refurb/transitional changes between the old and new physical pack. It’s a bit of a conundrum to value it precisely to be sure.

    2. ggpa says:

      +1

      It is cheaper than Tesla charges for the 25kWh increase going from 60 to 85kWh

      1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

        Yes and no.
        - When you buy the 85kWh pack you also get an unlimited mileage warranty and Supercharger access.
        - The Nissan Leaf pack seems to be degrading much faster than the Tesla pack, so the $/mile cost would be a lot closer than the $/kWh cost.

        1. Rob Stark says:

          When you upgrade to the 85 model you also get a 362 hp motor instead of standard 360 hp motor. You also get an upgraded wheel and tire package.

          1. ggpa says:

            1) The difference in HP is more than you mention
            2) It is actually the same motor that produces the extra power when it is connected to the bigger battery. You can find a long description on Green Car Reports

    3. Spec9 says:

      Not really. The requirement of turning in your old pack is a big deal. That old pack is worth much more than $1000. I’m sure lots off-grid solar people would pay you more than $1000 for your old 24KWH Li-Ion pack.

      If they offered the 24KWH pack for $6500 cash, I think they would get a LOT of purchases from EV conversion people.

      1. Nissan coud have valued an old pack at $4000 and new replacement at $9500. A reasonable value give an old pack will likely have 60-70% of original capacity.

        The advantage of a minimal core price ($1000) is it removes concerns about pack value based on current capacity. This makes timing of a upgrade focused on a drivers needs … as net costs are the same. Current LEAF owners may tend to delay upgrading to get most use from existing pack knowing new pack comes with new warrenty.

        1. DaveMart says:

          The old pack might have 60-70% of its original capacity, but that doesn’t mean it is worth 60-70% of the new pack.

          It would not be usable in a car, and could only serve as stationary storage. modulating the grid and so on.

          For that application weight is not important, and it is up against cheap, heavy alternatives such as flow batteries, lead batteries allied to capacitors and others..

          A used battery also needs checking and maybe replacement modules, so around $50kwh or ~1000 for the battery pack is fair.

      2. Michael Sean says:

        My recollection may be off but I remember reading late last year that Nissan was donating the old battery packs to hospitals for use as back up power.

  2. Sam C says:

    I don’t mind paying $6,499 if NISSAN can add extra 24kwh to my LEAF.

    1. Spec9 says:

      I doubt they can double the battery capacity with a replacement pack. But perhaps they can increase it a bit with more clever arrangement, higher energy density, and using a bit more space under and in the car.

      1. DaveMart says:

        They are clearly planning that the new battery for the extended range Leaf will have commensurately greater energy density with no body redesign needed.

        An 80% increase in specific energy would put them at around the level the Tesla is today.

  3. Mark H says:

    All good news for the EV industry. So what is the install price? I checked on the Volt years ago and the price was $365.

    Fast forward just 3-4 years to when we have at least one gigafactory running and we see the global impact on battery prices surely fall again. No turning back.

  4. BraveLilToaster says:

    I wonder if they’ll ever offer the new charger as an upgrade to 2011/2012 year Leafs.

  5. taser54 says:

    This is to address the used Leaf market. Nissan is providing battery packs at low costs (arguably subsidized) so as to prop up the residual values for new Leaf leases.

    1. Steve Strange says:

      Yes, I had thought about that, too. Since I bought by 2011 LEAF, this announcement just increased the resale value of my car, probably by $1000 or more.

  6. GeorgeS says:

    This is good news.
    I’m eagerly awaiting details on the 150 mile range Leaf.

  7. Bloggin says:

    This should make it even more obvious to NEVER buy a Leaf but only lease, return, lease again if you want.

    Just replacing the battery on your 3-5 year old Leaf at $6,000 is equal to $166/mo over 36 months.

    A New 2015 Leaf S starts at $229/mo for 36 months.
    ($2,268 more in payments + $1,999 Down = $4,267, where a new Leaf lease still gets you about $2,000 ahead of a battery replacement.)

    So now when even thinking of buying a used Leaf, you MUST take into account the $6,000 battery replacement that you will have to pay for yourself, or before reselling, or drop your selling price$6,000 to account for the pending battery replacement.

    Or avoid the nightmare and just lease the Leaf.

    1. Spec9 says:

      Your assumptions are bizarre. Who would replace their battery on a 3 to 5 year old car? That battery would still be under warranty.

      1. Bloggin says:

        Exactly…..The Leaf has only been on sale for 4 years now, and now there is a need for a battery replacement plan that owners have been ‘waiting’ for.

        Also, the battery capacity warranty only covers a drop from 12 bars to BELOW 9 bars. To about 70% capacity. So if it drops to 9 bars, that’s OK with Nissan, and your 8 bar drop will only be brought up to 9 bars per the warranty.

        This is all within the 5 year, 60,000 mile capacity warranty period. After 60k miles, no matter how many years……no capacity warranty and the reason for the new $6,000 battery replacement plan at 4 years now.

        1. Bloggin says:

          Or….the ‘owner’ can pay $100/mo under the battery replacement program for a reconditioned battery with just 9 bars or 70% capacity:

          “All Leaf batteries installed under this program will enjoy coverage similar to the terms of standard battery coverage under the Nissan New Electric Vehicle Limited Warranty and be assured to maintain at least 9 bars capacity, or approximately 70 percent and protection from defects in materials or workmanship for the time they own their Leaf and remain in the battery program. If necessary, Nissan will replace the battery with a new or remanufactured battery to restore capacity at or above a minimum of 9 bars, much like the existing expanded battery capacity warranty.”

          1. Jay Cole says:

            Extreme battery degradation is not the norm for a LEAF owner. Also the new cars have the improved chemistry, so even in those places with extreme heat degradation is slowed with new leases/purchases.

            As personal example, I have a 2011 LEAF coming up on 4 years with 62k clicks on it…and all 12 bars (already well outside the confines of a traditional lease). Mind you, I have no intention of replacing the pack anytime soon (if ever), but it is nice to know that the option is out there if/when I ever chose to do it.

            Perhaps when my son turns 16 in 7 years I will replace the pack then and he can have it as his first car.

            1. scottf200 says:

              62K clicks? kilometers? so 38.5K miles?

            2. Dave R says:

              Jay, you’re one of the lucky ones. Everyone I know of here in coastal southern California has lost the 12th capacity bar somewhere between 2.5-3.0 years when driving 7-10k miles/year.

              My LEAF is down ~20% capacity after 3 years and < 29k miles. Unfortunately, it looks like by the time 5 years / 60k miles rolls around, I will be down 3 bars, but not quite 4.

              People like me who just fall short of qualifying for warranty replacement get the short end of the stick, unfortunately, and will have to pay around $6k to get the capacity that Nissan promised.

              1. Jay Cole says:

                Hey Dave,

                For sure this program was badly needed as the LEAF was ill-equipped to handle areas of the southern US when it launched (especially that one particular summer).

                Quite honestly I don’t know that these program will appease the masses as they start to lose that first bar because the reputation on the older LEAFs have been damaged…by year 5-6 all LEAFs should be down a couple of bars just due to normal degradation.

                One would hope the costs of scale could get the replacement packs down to around $3,500ish by 2016-2017, because I don’t think anyone would have a problem with that number after 5-6 years of ownership. (…not that it will happen, just a though bubble)

            3. mike w says:

              It may not be normal now but at some point all the LEAFs batteries will lose capacity. This is welcome news. The battery in my 2011 LEAF with 7000 miles on it is currently at 80% and I will not qualify for a warranty replacement.

      2. David says:

        Agreed. Just can’t please some people.

        1. Bloggin says:

          This entire conversation/issue of battery capacity and battery replacement is because Nissan went the cheap route and did not provide thermal protection for their battery packs.

          Instead…..Nissan looks at the failing battery packs as a ‘revenue generator’(battery leases/replacement leases/battery replacements) and adds an unnecessary negative aspect to the many, many major positive benefits of EV ownership.

          The battery pack should be designed to outlive the normal lifecycle of the vehicle, then be recycled. Not the other way around.

          1. Spec9 says:

            Nissan does have a problem . . . but keep it in perspective, it is only a problem in really hot climates. For most Leafs sold that are not in the desert Southwest, this just has not been a problem.

            1. mimba says:

              You are so wrong.
              Don’t speak without any experience.
              Just speak for yourself, whatever climate you’re in.

          2. TomArt says:

            Given the state of battery tech, there is no way that the battery pack in any EV will outlive the lifecycle of the car. Particularly a Tesla, with all that aluminum, should last easily 300k miles. Even Tesla battery packs won’t last that long without substantial degradation.

            1. DaveMart says:

              Whether the battery will last the life of the car depends on how far you need to drive it.

              The cooled battery pack does not have the same brutal conditions the Nissan one has to endure.

              More importantly the bigger pack cycles less for a given mileage, so at 1000 cycles down to 80% you would have covered 265*0.9*1000 = 238,500 miles.

              Knock off a bit for not getting EPA rating, and you have covered 200k.

              But your pack still has a range of 265*0.8 miles on the EPA left, so around 212 miles of range, fine for many, and the car should cover ~ another 200k down to 80% off that.

              So you never can tell, but it should be fine.

              For the same reason the new bigger pack in the Leaf should reduce problems as you travel more per cycle.

              That does not make Nissan’s engineering of an uncooled pack OK, because it wasn’t, not with the chemistry they are using, but with an EPA rated 150 mile pack you should get more like 100k out of it down to 80%, which is still 120 miles of range.

              I still would not trust it in a hot climate though.

    2. Note a $6000 loan over 5 years is ~$100/month plus interest.

  8. pjwood says:

    The noise in the $270/kwh price is the same noise that is in the sub-$3,000 volt batteries, found at GM parts websites. You have to exchange, and one doesn’t know the subsidy the manufacturer may be putting into goodwill.

    “The sign says open, and Nissan just sold 100 Leaf batteries to a small utility, at $270/kwh”, would mean something different.

  9. Dennis says:

    Leasing a car is great, if you don’t drive it. Our 12 Leaf has 44,000 miles and all 12 bars. I think $5,500 for the battery sounds fair.

    1. Kosh says:

      Everyone’s situations are different. We leased at 15K/year and at 6 months are at 6000 miles. That’s with my wife driving it to work everyday.

      So for us it’s saving as much in gas as the cost of the lease….

      And we’ll be under the mileage.

      #waitingForNextGenTesla

  10. Anderlan says:

    Good! Now how about Nissan just sell a $6000 more expensive version of the LEAF with almost twice the energy. That also means twice the battery life and twice the power.

    1. Max gross weight limit and safety testing make doubling the size of LEAF pack with existing modules not likely. It makes more sense to put the engineering time into designing a new body that has an option for battery pack capacities.

      1. Anderlan says:

        Yes.

        1. DaveMart says:

          Their engineering effort is in increasing the energy density of their pack by around 80% to match that in the Tesla, not in redesigning the body to take an even bigger, heavier pack.

          IMO the same strategy lies behind the VW group’s ~20 mile EV range PHEV offerings.
          They are currently testing chemistries which could up that by around 80%, again to Tesla like levels, which would give them Volt-like EV range without redesigning their new bodies.

  11. ggpa says:

    In the UK the Leaf battery price has been listed as 5000 GBP (or 8500 USD) for a while. I am curious to see if that will drop anytime soon.

  12. DaveMart says:

    ‘This pricing announcement also speaks to expected pricing of the next generation LEAF, which is expected to be offered in two range packages; one being today’s 84 mile version and another with approximately 150 miles of all-electric driving. A 150 mile EV starting at around $35,000 in two years time sounds decent to us.’

    To be rather more explicit, a 150 mile range Leaf would need a battery with 1.8 times the capacity.

    So the cost increment would appear to be about $5,200 after taking the cost of the 24kwh pack at $6500.
    However the battery management system etc would be no more costly, and in another couple of years when the bigger pack is made available costs should have dropped anyway.

    So conservatively the bigger pack should cost another $5k,, but I am guessing that Nissan are shooting at maybe $3,500.

    Don’t forget the subsidies may have ended by then though

  13. Batt Ry says:

    “one being today’s 84 mile version and another with approximately 150 miles of all-electric driving.”

    But that’s not the case!

    The Nissan Leaf is today a an 120 mile range car according to Nissan and they want to go from 120 to 150.

    So the 150 mile Leaf will probably just be a car with an EPA range of.. lets say (84 * 1.25 = ~105) miles.

    1. DaveMart says:

      Source for Nissan using those ratings?
      My understanding is that they used EPA figures for both current range and for the projected bigger pack.

    2. Spec9 says:

      120 mile range? Where do they say that? In Japan perhaps with their ridiculous testing system. They did say 100 miles before they got EPA rated but have largely abided by the EPA numbers since.

    3. scott franco says:

      Nobody ever made the doubling estimate by number of miles. Nissan said they test drove a car of 44KWH, which is twice their current capacity of 24KWH. We assume it would be about twice range. That is all.

      1. DaveMart says:

        Nope. They surveyed Nissan owners to find out how much extra they would be prepared to pay for a 150 mile range Leaf.
        That is where the mileage figure comes from.

        1. David Murray says:

          Indeed.. I took the survey and they were VERY specific it would be 150 EPA-rated miles too..

    4. Michael Sean says:

      My 2013 routinely gives me 98 to 106 miles of range in the non winter months. However I’m in the Western New York area where we consider 89 degrees to be a hot summer day.

      1. TomArt says:

        Bingo!

  14. Mike I says:

    In California, you will have to pay sales tax on the $6,500 price of the new battery. There is no consideration of the $1,000 “core charge” for new parts. There is only a sales tax consideration of core charges for refurbished or rebuilt parts. In that case, you pay tax on the net price after the core charge is deducted from the invoice, or the seller can refund the sales tax if the core is returned at a later time.
    http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub25.pdf see page 4.
    So, in this regard, it’s good that Nissan is setting a low value on the old battery.

    1. mike w says:

      Good point I’m thinking the sales tax thing is the same here in Virginia.

      1. TomArt says:

        Probably true in most states with sales taxes.

  15. Aaron says:

    In other news, Nissan is selling 2015 LEAFs already? They just updated their website for the 2014s.

    Hold a 2015 LEAF S for me, Nissan.

    1. Ocean Railroader says:

      They already are posting the 2015 Leafs for sale http://autos.aol.com/used-list/make1-Nissan/model1-Leaf/page-13

  16. offib says:

    Well done! Ahh, this is brutally wonderful news!!!

  17. Ocean Railroader says:

    I’m planning on buying a used Nissan Leaf or a Mitsubishi i-miev when the price for a used one drops to $8000. The idea of putting in a new battery pack doesn’t scare me that much in that I’ve had cars that needed new transmissions that cost between $1500 to $4400. By the way the transmission on a gas powered car is most likely the part that will kill the car in terms of the cost to replace it. So this price for a new battery pack isn’t that bad. Another aspect is this battery pack replacement cost price will go down over the next few years. I once had a Mechanic tell me that when the first Prius came out the cost to replace the batteries was $2300 but now it’s $700. So these battery prices will fall.

    As for the Mitsubishi i-miev and leaf. If they use a new type of battery to raise the energy pure cell in it. I would go out and buy a 48 or 36 kilowatt pack to upgrade my car.

    1. TomArt says:

      Yeah, transmissions are the weak link in almost all ICE vehicles. I say “almost” because the transmissions in hybrids (like Ford and Toyota hybrids) are almost never replaced, with taxi companies putting 300k miles on them with original transmissions.

  18. Anthony says:

    Considering it requires a core swap, I’m less interested in the price and more interested that a vehicle manufacturer is now offering battery replacements for their EVs in a simple and straightforward manner. Hopefully this catches on with GM and Tesla to have similar programs for their EVs (the ones they have now are not simple and straightforward).

    1. TomArt says:

      I think that Tesla’s is pretty straight-forward. If you bought the replacement plan, you get back, or pay, a fixed amount for the replacement pack depending on whether it is replaced before or after the warranty period (it’s a set scale, no guessing).

      At least, that’s what it was for the replacement plan on the Roadster. I am not sure if the replacement plan exists for the Model S, or if you just buy a new one when it runs out. The battery swapping system makes it easy – you can swap out an old one for a new one, and if you keep it, you owe the difference based on a set scale that has not been published yet (since the first swap station won’t be active until near the end of this year).

  19. ggpa says:

    According to Wikipedia, Tesla Roadster battery costs $39000 for 53kWh. Does anyone have an update on that?

    1. TomArt says:

      Good question.

    2. Ocean Railroader says:

      It’s most likely gone way down by now in that price is based off when they first started building the Roadster.

      The price now based off the $5500 leaf back it would be around $13,000 which is somewhat of a major price drop from $39,000.

      As for these prices I think there is still a good mark up for Nissan with this product along with the fact this new product is only a few weeks old.

  20. Lou Grinzo says:

    This also puts the question of buying your Leaf when it comes off lease much more into play. My Leaf, still at like-new battery performance, will be at the end of its two-year lease in March. The warranty plus this kind of replacement cost (much less than I expected) suddenly makes keeping the car a serious possibility.

    Now if Nissan can offer a “How to convince your wife this is a good idea” kit/option, they’ll be all set.

    1. Funniest line I’ve read all month Lou. Can I quote you on that?

  21. ModernMarvelFan says:

    Finally, a replacement cost.

    At this rate, that means every EV should be only $6k-$7K more than their ICE counterpart at most. Since $7,500 is part of the purchase incentives, EV “net cost” at the time of the purchase should be comparable to the ICE version.

    1. David Murray says:

      Actually, the way I see it, your logic would only apply for a PHEV. For a pure electric vs. a gasoline car the price should be cheaper for the electric since there is no ICE, no gas tank, no muffler, no catalytic converter, no ignition system, no evap system, no alternator, etc.. you get the idea.

      So if the government essentially foots the bill for the battery pack, the rest of the car should be pretty cheap.

  22. Sam says:

    I babied my 2011 Leaf and down to 11 bars at around 34,000 miles in a fairly hot climate. Not sure if it’s a good idea to sell. 55 mile round trip commute might not be doable in winter even with “100%” charge. Decisions!

    1. Dave R says:

      Well, your options are to buy a replacement battery at a cost of ~$6,000 / installed, or trade in your LEAF for a new one. Your out-the-door cost on a trade in on a new one will probably be in the $12-14k range.

      Which isn’t bad considering the lease price the LEAF originally went for for the 2011 models.

      1. Sam says:

        I will try to run this battery as long as I can and do a battery replacement when it becomes imperative to do so. In 2 to 3 years from now there should be a lot more EV choices including cheaper Tesla models. The Model S is too big and too expensive for me.

  23. carcus says:

    BAM!

  24. carcus says:

    …. and by “BAM!”, I mean THE most significant announcement in the last 100 years of automotive history.

  25. mike w says:

    Does anybody know if this price is just for the battery? What is the labor cost and is there additional charges for freight?

    1. offib says:

      The price includes the reduction of the old battery pack ($1000). There’s an approximate $225 fee for tools to adjust the car’s underpinnings to accept the new battery. For labour costs, that’s all down to the dealer. Who knows how that’ll end up because the rumours of expensive battery replacements (largely directed at the Prius) were caused by dealers charging a fortune.

      1. mike w says:

        Thanks OFFIB. That pretty much checks out with an article at “Greencarreports”. JonhVokler there adds that there will be 3 hours of labor required to perform the job. plus sales tax I’m sure So I’m looking at a total price of $6400. That assumes the dealer only charges 3 hours.

  26. offib says:

    Geez, Jay, this exploded! I’ve never seen more than 200 likes on an article before.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Every once in a while they go viral, check this one out (2300+):

      Tesla Model S Wins 2013 World Green Car Of The Year
      http://insideevs.com/the-tesla-model-swins-2013-world-green-car-of-the-year/

  27. Jouni Valkonen says:

    It is good to note that this is subsidized price. You cannot buy new battery pack from Nissan at that price and use it as energy storage for your neighborhood’s solar system.

    GM and Tesla has similar subsidized battery replacement programs. IIRC, subsidized price for replacement battery for Volt is $2000 and for Tesla $8000.

    1. ggpa says:

      Great news. Could you please link to the Volt and Tesla prices? 60 or 85kWh for $8k sounds too good to be true.

      1. Jouni Valkonen says:

        Actually Tesla’s battery replacement prices were $8000 for (discontinued) 40 kWh version, $10 000 for 60 kWh version and $12 000 for 85 kWh version.

        Anyway, 12 kilodollars or $140 per kWh is also strongly subsidized price for replacement battery.

        http://green.autoblog.com/2012/11/30/tesla-adds-replacement-battery-pack-costs-to-price-increase-deta/

  28. Lad says:

    In general, I’ll glad to see this Nissan announcement as it now gives buyers necessary information for planning their Leaf purchases and ongoing battery maintenance. Additionally, I suggest because the information on batteries is so important to Leaf and other EV sales that future changes to pricing, improvements and battery policy from Nissan be announced timely and that battery policy be given the highest of priorities within Nissan management. I think I can safely say as an owner, the delays dealing with the Leaf battery problems and lack of battery pricing information of the current generation cars have been intolerable.

  29. Steve says:

    This is good in that it will put a stop to the wild speculation about battery replacement costs. However, as these batteries degrade steadily there is a huge disconnect between an owner dipping below 70% and be covered by warranty and another be at 70% when the warranty expires and being faced with a >$6000 bill to fix the problem.

  30. TomArt says:

    This is really great news, and very smart by Nissan, IMO. Not only is the replacement reasonable (in terms of replacing major components of any style drivetrain), but it’s also an upgrade! I foresee many 2011 and 2012 Leaf owners taking advantage of this program.

    It’s also good to know that Nissan states that the old packs will be recycled properly or become part of their grid buffering plans.

    I think Nissan may want to offer a battery leasing program – buy the Leaf, lease the battery pack…get a new, up-to-date pack after, say, 5 years or 70% degradation, whichever comes first. I would do that, and it would lower the price of the car. Naturally, the battery lease would have to be transferable with ownership.

    1. TomArt says:

      The skittishness with battery leasing in the past were related to worries about what you would get when the lease is up. However, with this announcement, Nissan has answered the most important questions, such as whether the replacement pack would be an upgraded pack that would be back-compatable with older models.

      Nissan’s replacement plan makes a battery lease reasonable, where in the past, it was too much of an unknown.

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