BMW & EVgo Will Add 500 DC Fast Chargers In 25 Major U.S. Markets Under ChargeNow DC Fast

1 year ago by Mark Kane 69

EVgo and BMW partner to bring ChargeNow DC Fast electric vehicle charging program to 25 cities nationwide. EVgo Network will have more than 600 50 kW DC Fast Combo chargers in next 2 years. BMW i3 drivers get 2 years free charging with the purchase of their vehicle

EVgo and BMW partner to bring ChargeNow DC Fast electric vehicle charging program to 25 cities nationwide. EVgo Network will have more than 600 50 kW DC Fast Combo chargers in next 2 years. BMW i3 drivers get 2 years free charging with the purchase of their vehicle

BMW i3 at EVgo DC fast charging station

BMW i3 at EVgo DC fast charging station

BMW announced a  major charging infrastructure project (ChargeNow DC Fast Expansion) in the U.S. in partnership with EVgo.

By 2018 BMW and EVgo will install 500 additional DC fast chargers with J1772 Combo plugs and 50 kW of power (according to the EVgo press release).

Moreover, all the EVgo infrastrucutre will be available to new BMW i3 owners (who purchase or lease the BMW i3 on or after November 1, 2015 – fleet customers are not eligible) for 24 months at no-cost (30-minute DC fast charging and 1 hour Level 2 AC charging). BMW i8 wasn’t mentioned.

The program is available in 25 major US markets (see list at the bottom).

By the end of this year, every one of those 25 markets will get at least one 50 kW DC Combo charger (excluding Portland), while by 2018 there should be 600 (100 already + 500 new).

The chargers are to be placed strategically “to facilitate longer distance EV travel“.

Access to the infrastructure can be made through ChargeNow DC Fast.

Owners of other EVs with Combo inlets will benefit from the project as they can access the infrastructure through the EVgo network (payable).

“BMW of North America announces the ChargeNow DC Fast Expansion program in cooperation with EVgo. As part of its ongoing commitment to the growth of a robust public DC Fast charging infrastructure, BMW is supporting EVgo’s installation of an incremental 500 DC Fast Combo chargers, to benefit BMW i3 customers and all EV drivers in the US with DC Fast Combo charging capability. ChargeNow DC Fast also includes two years of no-cost charging for qualifying BMW i3 drivers in those areas.

Eligible BMW i3 customers* in ChargeNow DC Fast markets**, who purchase or lease the BMW i3 on or after November 1, 2015, from a BMW i Center can enroll in the program. Program participants can enjoy unlimited no cost 30-minute DC Fast Combo charging and no cost 1 hour Level 2 charging for their BMW i3, at EVgo Stations, for 24 months from date of enrollment at chargenow.com/us. Customers use the complimentary ChargeNow cards (included with the BMW i3 vehicle) to access the no-cost charging sessions.

With the growth of EV sales, there is increasing demand among drivers for more publicly available, strategically located DC Fast charging stations to facilitate longer distance EV travel. A BMW i3 vehicle can charge up to 80% in just 20-30 minutes using a DC Fast Combo charger—about the time it takes to enjoy a cup of coffee or a snack.”

“ChargeNow DC Fast, originally introduced in July 2014, resulted in the successful installation of 100 EVgo Stations with DC Fast Combo charging, throughout California, while providing BMW i3 owners with no-cost access to the stations. With BMW’s continued support, EVgo plans to install 500 additional DC Fast Combo chargers by the end of 2018, with more than 600 charging stations in operation. By the end of 2015, EVgo expects to have nearly 50 of the additional chargers installed, with at least one such charger in each market (excluding Portland).

The first phase of ChargeNow DC Fast introduced one card, one account public charging network interoperability, as BMW i3 drivers in California to access DC Fast Combo charging sessions at EVgo Stations, using the ChargeNow card. The program expansion extends network interoperability even further as customers across the US use the ChargeNow card to access both DC Fast Combo and Level 2 charging sessions at EVgo Stations.

*Fleet customers are not eligible. Other terms and conditions apply, see chargenow.com/us.

**ChargeNow DC Fast markets include:”

Robert Healey, Head of EV Infrastructure for BMW of North America said:

“This significant expansion in the number as well as the locations of publicly available DC Fast Combo chargers further affirms BMW’s commitment to e-mobility and will make EV ownership even more enjoyable for BMW i3 drivers. With ChargeNow DC Fast, BMW i3 owners can experience ‘range confidence’ resulting from convenient, quicker DC Fast charging on the go, making longer EV trips more practical. The no cost charging sessions for BMW i3 drivers will become even more valuable over time, as more of these DC Fast Combo chargers become available.”

Arun Banskota, President and CEO of EVgo said:

“It is our mission to install the right charging solutions at the right places, and EV drivers have overwhelmingly told us they prefer DC Fast chargers at public spaces. Over the next 24 months EVgo will add reliable DC Fast Combo capability to what is already America’s largest DC Fast charging network. This will be the fastest and most cost effective build out of a new network ever – thanks in large part to our existing infrastructure and committed retail host partners.”

25 ChargeNow DC Fast markets:

  • Atlanta, GA
  • Austin, TX
  • Boston, MA
  • Chicago, IL
  • Dallas, TX
  • Denver, CO
  • Fresno, CA
  • Houston, TX
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Miami, FL
  • Monterey, CA
  • Nashville, TN
  • New York, NY
  • Orlando, FL
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Phoenix, AZ
  • Portland, OR
  • Raleigh, NC
  • Sacramento, CA
  • Salt Lake City, UT
  • San Diego, CA
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Santa Barbara, CA
  • Seattle, WA
  • Washington, DC

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69 responses to "BMW & EVgo Will Add 500 DC Fast Chargers In 25 Major U.S. Markets Under ChargeNow DC Fast"

  1. AlanSqB says:

    I’m going to assume that for markets like Denver, this just means adding a combo plug onto the existing DCFC they have since they all already have a spot for it.

    More build out would be great, but I won’t hold my breath. It’s never really an issue to get into one of these here, so I can’t complain about over utilization, but they’re not in convenient locations at all. What part of building travel infrastructure near highways does this company not understand?

    1. Dave R says:

      In California, all of eVgo’s locations already have at least one combo plug and often two. These stations are all dual plug and also have CHAdeMO. So I wonder if they’ll be installing combo only stations or installing dual plug stations.

      Given how busy existing stations are in California and how many CHAdeMO cars are on the road, I think it’d make sense for eVGo to install dual plug stations given that dual plug stations don’t cost much more than single plug stations.

      If Nissan were smart, they’d combine resources and make sure that these were dual plug – the bulk of the cost of charging infrastructure is in the install.

      1. SparkEV says:

        In my experience, those chargers are only busy because of free charging. Remove free charging, and you remove 75% or more of congestion.

        1. Interesting, repetitive, argument, SparkEV. Maybe if appartments did not have included (free) Electricity, Cable TV, and Water, more appartments would be available to rent, and pepple who can’t afford utilities and extras would just live with their parents!

          Spark, you seem so angry all the time that you can’t get to use a CCS station because you were not there first!

          1. Art Isbell says:

            Robert, Spark is correct. I and other EV drivers stop at free public charging stations to add a few kWh’s whereas we would not do so if the cost were more than our cost of electricity at home where we normally charge.

            1. Bryan says:

              I usually stop to recharge when I need more distance. I have a Leaf and am constantly running into range limitations. I charge up in Tracy on my way to visit my daughter. I charge up in Mtn View when I have to drive to the East Bay from work. I charge at the Great Mall when I am coming home and need a zap from the dentist. I never use them to just add a few kWhs. So it is probably balanced out.

          2. SparkEV says:

            If free electricity and cable result in black outs in times of popular use, you’d sing a different tune. The difference from cable, etc is that you have blackout periods from overuse by free car charging people.

            BMW will sell many tens of thousand of i3 with free charging while adding only 500 extra chargers. That’s over 20 free charging car per charger. If you assume even distribution and 30 minutes per car per day, that’s 10 hours of charger use per day.

            Problme is that the distribution is not even; rush hour and weekends will have far more demand while lull during mid day. Then people who must use the charger to get home after work or long trips will be waiting (and waiting, and waiting) thanks to free chargers.

            Don’t take my word for it. Go around DCFC stations and ask people if they get free charging. Vast majority of my impromptu survey said they get free charging and live locally.

  2. GeorgeS says:

    Sorry. This is pathetic. Some level 1 DC chargers scattered willy nilly around these cities?

    They should be spaced out like the supercharger network and they should be a minimum of 90 kw (level 2 DC).

    These companies have no foresight. They need to plan around a 200 mile EV. That means a minimum of 90 kw.

    1. kdawg says:

      I hope they future-proof them for the upcoming 150kW CCS.

  3. Bob says:

    I don’t get it, there are already 120 kW DC chargers (CCS,CHAdeMO) available in Europe. The details to next generation Leaf show 100 kW charging speed and now infrastructure providers want to install 50 kW chargers in 2016 or 2017, doesn’t make much sense when you must install new chargers in 2018.

  4. Texas FFE says:

    This is great news for I3 owners in Texas. The I3 is a big seller in Texas. There are a ton of evGO stations in Texas but not one has a functioning CCS charger. There are half a dozen dual chargers around Austin but the CCS cable is missing, these will probably be some of the first to get the upgrade. I whole heartedly agree that highway chargers are needed but Texas really needs CCS chargers.

    1. Texas FFE says:

      I’ve been hammering evGO every chance I get telling them not having CCS chargers is keeping me from upgrading. If evGO follows through with CCS stations in Texas I might have to change my name to Texas I3.

      1. Josh says:

        Good work bending their ear.

        I know in the begging they were really good at taking feedback on good site locations during their buildout.

    2. David Murray says:

      Indeed. Unfortunately Texas is still really far behind California in number of charging stations of any type. And even though I don’t have a vehicle that uses CCS, I’ll appreciate seeing some growth. We might eventually get a Bolt, which is almost guaranteed to use CCS so it would be good if there were some compatible stations.

    3. Josh says:

      All of the stations in Houston were built planning on adding the CCS later. Great to hear they finally made a deal to get it done.

      If it wasn’t for the carseat issue, I would really be considering an i3 lease while waiting for the 3.

      1. 3laine says:

        What’s the car seat issue?

        1. Josh says:

          Can’t get the carseat in through the rear suicide doors in the garage with both cars parked inside. Part of my daily routine, I just wouldn’t want to deal with. Wish we had a 3 car garage.

          1. 3laine says:

            Gotcha… So it’s an infant one that you take in and out of the permanent base?

            I find it, in general, easier to get people and stuff in and out of the i3 than our previous Mk6 GTI, ASSUMING you can get get the doors open and you can get access the opening. Hopefully that makes sense.

            Basically, the opening is big and useful if you can get past the doors.

            1. Josh says:

              Yeah, infant car seat. I can see how in and out of the back would be easier if you have plenty of space to swing the doors open. I just don’t have that situation.

              The tight storage on the i3 would also mean we wouldn’t have the space to haul all the infants’ stuff around in the weekends. So we would have to end up taking the wife’s SUV on all weekend voyages. Hoping the 3 will have a bit more storage.

              Model S would be perfect (except for the price of course).

              1. 3laine says:

                Totally understand. The i3 is a tight fit sometimes for us, too (2 year-old), but we’re used to a MINI, so we’ve managed to make it work as our “big” car.

                And yes, the Model S would be nice besides being twice the cost haha

  5. WarrenM says:

    Still have to applaud BMW for investing in this. Besides all their BEV development…what is a huge company like GM investing in public infrastructure??

  6. Ct200h says:

    I hope this helps in Washington, D.C. Area,

    There are very few ccs chargers here.

    Makes a car that uses ccs a no go for me.

  7. Ocean Railroader says:

    Most of these cities already have a system of DC Quick chargers unless they are going to try to build stuff in the other suburbs then it will be useful. But none of these chargers are going to show up between these cities most likely.

  8. kdawg says:

    I wonder if someone started an “Adopt a Charger” program, like the adopt a highway program, if local communities could slowly build a network of DCFC’s across the US. The cost of the charger + install would be covered by the program, and then charging for electricity could be decided upon (which provider, or possibly free sponsored by a business, lots of options).

  9. Garrity says:

    I hope this is true. I’m still waiting to see one of the fast chargers promised by BMW VW Chargepoint in northern California. http://www.chargepoint.com/news/2015/0122/

  10. SparkEV says:

    NOOOOOOOOOO!!! While more chargers is good, more free charging could make the situation worse! I mean, why would I charge at home and pay to charge when DCFC is free? Combined with Leaf free charging, this will result in even longer waits for already congested DCFC. 500 more is nearly not enough when (tens of) thousands more will be charging for free.

    If you’re new to EV, especially non-free charging EV like SoulEV, eGolf, SparkEV, and have to wait hours for DCFC, even for the rare out of town drives, thanks to i3/Leaf free chargers who live locallys, would you get another EV or just give up on EV? 30 min fast charge is meaningless if you have to wait 2 hours needlessly thanks to those who don’t charge at home.

    Worse, if you’re a non-EV driver and see bunch of EV waiting to charge thanks to free chargers who don’t charge at home, would you want to suffer through that with EV? They’ll say “EV will never work; just look at them waiting even with only tiny percentage of EV compared to gas cars. I’m never getting an EV.”

    Free charging is bad for everyone.

    1. Texas FFE says:

      Free charging is not really free. The cost of the charging is rolled into the cost of the vehicle. The difference for the service provider is that, instead of having to borrow money and hope they recup their costs from customers, they get a big check up front from the vehicle manufacturers. I understand your concern about the chargers being over utilized but for for many of us it’s the difference between having and not having DCFC. Look at this way, maybe this new money will bring additional chargers to the stations you use a lot.

      1. SparkEV says:

        If they think they’re paying high price for the car to get free charging, that’s even worse. They’ll think that they’re entitled to free charging, and likely to use it more often (if that’s possible)

        Even for free, they could’ve said “free to 80%” where it is fast charging. But 30 minutes free means some will plug in even when they already have 90% as some Leaf drivers do. Then every charging session becomes 30 minutes, not 10 minutes of pick me up.

        Worse, since it’s 30 minutes, and not 30 minutes per day, some will plug in for 30 min, then come back to plug in again for 30 more minutes. I’ve seen Leaf drivers do this, too. Do you fight them to get off after first 30 minutes of waiting or do you suffer through another 30 minutes of waiting?

        I’m all for having more DCFC. But adding only 500 chargers while there will be (tens of) thousands of extra free chargers is going to be bad for everyone.

        http://sparkev.blogspot.com/2015/10/free-charging-sucks.html

    2. kdawg says:

      “I mean, why would I charge at home and pay to charge when DCFC is free?”
      ———–

      Because of convenience. I’m not going to go out of my way and sit at a charger to save $3.

      1. SparkEV says:

        You underestimate the power of “free”. People drive half way across town to get $0.01/gal cheaper gas! Long lines at Costco gas station is a testament to that.

        As I said, don’t take my word for it, you can find out for yourself. Go ask people using DCFC. I found vast majority live locally and get free charging and very few pay or use it for long distance travel.

        1. kdawg says:

          Are you talking about other people or yourself? You said “I”.

          There’s free chargers all over where I live and I don’t see the clogging problem.. yet. If it does occur on the DCFCs, then GPS based solutions can prevent this, or even charging the same price as typical home electricity prices.

          1. MTN Ranger says:

            I agree, we have free L2 and DCFC in our area and there are no issues with waiting. I guess it just depends on where you live. A I live in one of the 25 markets included in this program, that is even better.

          2. SparkEV says:

            I said “I” as an example. Obviously, I don’t get free charging, but most people I encounter at DCFC do.

            Have you ever waited for DCFC and asked the guy who’s already charging? Chances are, he’s getting free charge and live locally.

            Congestion is especially bad at key intercity travel locations, still mostly locals getting free charge. Distribution is not uniform, so your particular location may not be clogged as much.

            Free charging is 2 years long. Even if they decide to charge money, we’re stuck for 2 years with free chargers (and abusers). It’s unknown when BMW will discontinue free charging, but they sell over 10,000 i3 per year, but only plan to add 500 chargers.

            And you are correct in charging fee. If they price it at comparable to home charging, it would not be an issue. In fact, that would be the best case I’d prefer to see, not Blink’s 5 times more than home charging price.

            But even if BMW limit up to 80% or above 40kW speed to get free charge, the problem would be less by not allowing abuse. The problem is that it’s unlimited 30 minutes.

            1. SparkEV says:

              Correction: Blink is only 3 times more than home charging. What I meant to say was the problem is made worse by unlimited 30 minutes. The problem is free charging.

              As for few/no congestion where you live, just hope that not many people in your area buy i3.

    3. Elroy says:

      What in the world are you talking about?? Where are you waiting for hours at a DCQC station???

      My location: I charge my LEAF at EVgo stations in Ventura, Oxnard, Camarillo, Woodland Hills, etc.

      In over 570 DCQC charging sessions, 98% of the time, I don’t have to wait for anyone charging. I actually have more encounters with incompatible cars blocking the DCQC stalls (Volts/Prius/Tesla/Etc). If someone is charging, I hardly ever have to wait more than 10-15 minutes before they are finished.

      Be grateful BMW is investing money into the money losing charge networks. If you are so unwilling to share, then write to GM and have them build a station just for your Spark!

      1. SparkEV says:

        Worst case, 9PM coming back to San Diego from Los Angeles, waited 1.5 hours (3 Leafs), two who live local, one going back to San Diego. All I needed was 15 minutes, all 3 Leafs took 30 minutes.

        Most infuriating, Leaf charge for 30 min, then comes back and re-plugs in for another 30 min while others waiting.

        In almost every intercity travel (LA/OC/SD), I have to wait least one, sometimes two, and they are almost always Leaf. For local charging, I used to wait 50% of the time, now it’s down to 20%. Not sure why, but I saw Leaf that was always on DCFC now using L2. I hope my love letter to Leaf DCFC got around.

        I am grateful for more chargers, but not for free charging. They sell over 10,000 i3, I’d hope for more if not for free charging (I really like i3). But they only plan for 500 extra chargers. With free charging, that may make congestion even worse.

      2. SparkEV says:

        Elroy, I am curious how is it that you don’t wait 98% of the time. That’s 1 in 50. Do you keep written notes? I only go by rough estimate; I count how often I go without waiting, which is about every 3rd or 4th time (used to be almost every time).

        I DCFC between 5-7 pm during weekdays (after work), and afternoon in weekends for intercity travel. I wonder if my charging times are “peak” times while yours aren’t.

        If you have the data that include location and time of use, it might be interesting to see the pattern in your usage and waiting (and # of cars to wait if you have that data, too). Now I’m kicking myself for not keeping records, though 25% wait is still valid.

        1. Elroy says:

          To be honest, I always fear that the charger will be occupied, but I am amazed how they are almost always empty. Now I have come across the Combo Charger with a BMW or Spark there, but my Nissan charger was available. So it is almost never an inconvenience. But at the busy outlet stores the Tesla, Volts etc blocking the chargers is a much bigger problem that I encounter.

          Do you require DCQC every day to make your work commute? If so, the BEV was probably the wrong choice for you. I would never risk it, unless I had workplace charging. I work all day. So I charge later at night on weekdays. On weekends, when I go to the Woodland hills site and eat, it is almost always available. But that is where I see Sparks and i3s on the other charger. I often talk to them and they are done in no time. And again at those times, it was only one person. If I had taken my i3, it would have been a very short wait even then.

          If you are depending on the DCQC during your work commute during busy hours, perhaps that is why your scenario is different, I charge late at night to prepare for the morning. In that case, I dont even remember the last time had to wait for another EV, or had one come and wait for me during the session. This is at one of the biggest outlet stores locations in SoCal.

          1. SparkEV says:

            I don’t depend on DCFC for work and don’t use it daily, but sometimes I have to go out of the way, and must use it. Those are weekday scenarios.

            But when I go further, which is almost every weekend, I depend on DCFC. This is when I encounter waiting almost every time.

            Statistically, it doesn’t matter how often I charge to get the numbers for waiting, just the day/time. Either way, waiting is almost always by free chargers (some i3, mostly Leaf).

            I think my usage pattern would be like typical EV usage if not for free charging; seldom locally, but more on weekends (longer trips).

            In any case, if you have the records of your charging, it might make an interesting article. eVgo records would not show waiting, and user data would be invaluable when it comes to relating charging time+location to waiting. Or maybe only EV geeks like me find it interesting.

            1. WarrenM says:

              You are somewhat similar to me. Weekdays I charge at night..prob 9pm…and the chargers are almost always desolate. No one there..and no one coming. Weekends I often drive a couple hundred miles and use the chargers in Woodland hills, and then at Anaheim at times with absolutely no problem. I was thinking about your CCS Spark being different than a LEAF Chademo. Most of the EVgo stations have two seperate chargers anyways. I pretty much dont use the ABB chargers also because the Nissan charger is much easier to use and shows the amperage and % constantly for all to see. So you can see when heavy charge tapering is happening exactly. Rate of charge was a serious omission on the ABB units. And having to push the screen to see the % seems unnecessary.

              Also..remember some people actually have common courtesy and etiquette. If I have enough charge, or am local, and a fellow EV comes along, I will gladly terminate my session. Again, the real culprits are idiots that park there for hours with incomptible vehicles, EVs or otherwise.

              1. SparkEV says:

                My waits could be that SparkEV is limited to only ABB, and I sometimes have to wait for Leaf at ABB while Chademo-only is empty. I’d like to believe that Chademo-only was being used by another car when ABB charging car first pulled up.

                I agree on ABB difficult to get exact charging speed. But you can estimate power as follows.
                1 second for 0.01kWh = 36kW
                2 seconds for 0.01kWh = 18kW
                6 seconds for 0.01kWh = 6kW
                and so on.

                I don’t think all Leaf are bad. I’ve met several great Leaf drivers. In fact, I met a LeafSaint who gave up his spot to another after only getting 70%! You must be a LeafSaint, too. 🙂

                1. Elroy says:

                  Yup, I pay attention, and put myself in the other person’s place to see how I would feel. Cooperation is key. And yes, it is almost always a friendly exchange with other EV drivers charging. I will actually help them if they have questions.

                  But yes…a Volt blocking the charging space is unforgivable. Hopefully someone will block his gas pump when his battery is dead, and his tank is empty!

          2. SparkEV says:

            “I charge late at night”

            Ahh, only if all free charging people would do this locally, the problem won’t be bad, if at all. I suspect the problem is during peak times. I mean, people will want to charge after work if they couldn’t at work or had to make detours. Weekends in the afternoon with people making long trips.

            But those are the times when you really need DCFC; if I had the luxury to get to DCFC at late night, I might as well charge at home.

            I think more free charging would result in more “rush hour” congestion when people really need them.

    4. Nick says:

      Who’s going to charge at a free quick charger to save 80 cents?

      I’ll bet most people who use it have no other option.

      Where I work, EVs are popular due to the avalibility of workplace charging. All new LEAFs come with 2 years of free charging.

      When we do surveys, almost no one uses the free DCQC infrastructure. It’s just so much more convenient to charge at home and at work, no one bothers.

      1. SparkEV says:

        You underestimate the power of free. If you saw the lines at Costco gas station, you’d know what I mean.

        1. MTN Ranger says:

          Costco has free gas?!?

  11. Brandon says:

    For fast chargers installed along major highways between cities a couple things are quite important for reliability and usefulness. First is that as soon as possible there should be a minimum of 2 chargers per highway location. This will avoid a driver (or family) from being majorly delayed if a fast charger is down and not functional. Secondly, highway locations between cities should be installed with future higher charging speeds in mind. If possible plan ahead for future capacity in grid connections and chargers that can be upgraded to 100 kW plus.

  12. BMW helps people without private parking location and plug to quick charge in their home cities, while Tesla sends warning letters.

    1. JakeY says:

      Easy to say that when they are not in use yet. Let’s see what happens when it is in actual use. If what SparkEV says above is true, congestion will be a real problem.

      1. Elroy says:

        Its an exaggeration. I live in the heart of Southern California. I rarely have to wait for a DCQC station that is occupied by another charging EV. 570 charge sessions of experience. I guess I am just lucky??

        1. Elroy says:

          Oh, and by the way, the headline picture is the Woodland Hills station in the beautiful Warner Center Business Park. I always grab lunch there and charge at that same charger. Never a problem.

        2. SparkEV says:

          Not lucky. you just pick the time when most people don’t need to use it (late night). Try couple of hours after rush hour when people are out eating, or try weekend afternoon in key intercity locations. Those are the times and places when you really need to use DCFC, and usually taken by locals freecharging when they could be charging at home.

  13. Brian says:

    I pretty much don’t care about all you crybabies and your DCFC. Sounds like a first world problem to me. In fact, just to watch BEV owners such as sparkev get all wound up, I intentionally park my volt in the charge spot when I get the opportunity to. It’s their fault for not charging at home and not having a gas backup generator. I can’t stand their entitlement mentality

    1. Elroy says:

      We like to park behind and trap the Volts in those DCQC stalls. We get stuck, they can be stuck too. Seriously, what is the difference of you parking your car at a gas pump and leaving it there for hours!

    2. AlanSqB says:

      Nothing worse than a volt, having filled its tiny little battery, sitting unattended in a spot meant for an EV all day. Hooray for you and your hybrid. Make room for the real EV’s.

    3. SparkEV says:

      So Brian, you agree with gas cars that block EV charging spots and say “I don’t care about all you EV entitled crybabies. Drive a real car that runs on gas, not on electricity” Great idea. EV should forever be limited to their battery range.

      I’m sure you’ll be very happy to find an F350 (crew cab, extra long bed) taking two EV charging spots.

    4. Stimpy says:

      I would *certainly* hate to hear about your Volt being keyed, having it’s windows smashed, or tires slashed after a idiotic stunt like that.

      I’m going to prepare the World’s Tiniest Violin just in case…

  14. Mike I says:

    I do like the fact that BMW is helping NRG to install more charging stations. I do NOT like the fact that there will be more cars that are not paying anything for charging on those chargers. I think BMW should contribute the $15/mo for the NRG charging plan, leaving the $0.10/minute fee for the driver to pay. That is very cheap because they would only have to pay $3 per 30 minute session, but it would avoid the overuse of things being “free”.

    1. SparkEV says:

      Excellent idea! That’s probably more doable than free to 80%.

  15. Brian says:

    The other thing I hate about fast chargers is waiting for those pesky leaf owners to move their cars. Not only are they driving a car that looks weird and is slow, they seem to think that using the new ABB chargers is acceptable. I can’t figure out for the life of me why they just don’t use the single machine that is dedicated for charging their cars. Now the market will be flooded just as spark EV has said and nobody will be able to use these chargers because of the mass numbers of BMWs and leaf owners trying to save a couple bucks. So glad I got a volt so I don’t have to participate in this madness. Also for all the BMW owners, when will you actually start telling your friends and family that your car is not made out of carbon fiber, but indeed plastic with carbon fiber reinforced. Big difference, so quit making it like your car is some kind of exotic high-end sports car.

    1. Nick says:

      Wow. You seem strangely angry.

      Did an electric car run over your dog or something?

    2. Stimpy says:

      Wow you must not like that Volt very much to be this bitter about the superior cars!

  16. Brian says:

    Nick,
    I did have a car hit my dog, but it wasn’t electric. My dog is fine, but that’s besides the point here. Tesla is the only company who has enough brains to not only install more than one or two machines at their fast charger locations, but also make their charging system proprietary so they don’t have this issue at hand of fighting for chargers and numerous BEV models lining up to charge. As Elroy has stated, he has been using and taking advantage of free fast charging provided with his Nissan Leaf. If Nissan and BMW were to take away these programs, I’m not so sure people would be lining up like a transient to get their next free handout. This in turn would then be a very costly business model for NRG to install and recover the cost of their fast charging sites. I’m still waiting for BMW to follow through with all that hype of having fast chargers installed at a bunch of their dealerships. A lowly non luxury company such as Nissan did it to many of their dealerships, so why can’t BMW?

    1. SparkEV says:

      You thought what I wrote is entitled crybaby, yet you agree with me completely. My point is that adding tens of thousands of free charging cars while only adding 500 chargers is going to be bad for everyone (including Volt) resulting in waits, abuse, and poor reputation to non-EV drivers who see people waiting to charge. Then they become formerly future EV drivers.

      The problem will be especially bad during times that you really need them, such as weekend long trips, or unexpected errand after work.

    2. WarrenM says:

      And angry Brian, as I said, I almost never have to wait for someone or have someone wait for me. If someone does come and I have enough charge, I will leave the spot for them. But its very rare that happens. As I said, its more often an idiot in a Volt is blocking the spot. And talking about freeloading. Volts are among the worst. Blocking L2 chargers everywhere from EVs that need them, when Volt public charging is always optional. The mentality of some of these Volt owners is pretty evident. I wouldnt buy a Volt just because of what I witness. And even though I could have got a Rex..I prefer to be 100% electric. In which case the i3 handily outperforms the Volt. I assume you do know the i3 is not only the quickest EV in its class but the most efficient car you can buy in the U.S.? Perhaps being efficient is of little importance to you?

      1. WarrenM says:

        Also Brian, BMW and Nissan infusing money into these charging networks might be the only way to make them profitable. So what are you trying to say be stating BMW should be investing money at their own dealerships. FYI they actually are by offering many incentives including free charging equipment. Also I must have missed it, but where did I write I have free charging, lining up like a transient? Furthermore do people taking things that are offered to them qualify them as transients? Wow, must be a lot of Tesla owners that are transients. The logic. Really??

        1. SparkEV says:

          Brian also thinks blocking chargers is a good idea (see above), so other than opposing free charging, nothing else is good.

          But “Mike I” has a great idea. Instead of free charging, why not have BMW pick up the tab for eVgo membership fee? That way, i3 drivers have to pay to charge (about their home rate) so they’re not likely to abuse it, and at the same time they get big discounts. BMW could also extend the coverage longer, such as the life of the car for first owner.

          Despite some frustrations, it pays to watch the comments for some great ideas! 🙂

  17. Brian says:

    Wow, I’m shocked at the backlash over free charging. As stated before, the volt is a superior car in the fact that it can be driven by its owners as an electric car and not have the downfalls of being stuck in a car that will leave you for dead if not recharged. There is no need for GM to come up with ways to sell their car like Nissan and BMW have. Can you imagine the worry of someone’s face when they are told their car must be recharged every 70 miles or your screwed and will need a tow truck to get home. This is why BMW and Nissan do this. It helps take the edge off from the poor decision these folks made. It’s like reassurance that they can’t have in cars such as the volt and plug in Prius. Just think of how much time is wasted while these owners have to wait to even get an open spot. I look at plugshare and see the many frustrations i3 and leaf owners leave over charging equipment that either doesn’t work or other EV owners who use the machines multiple times trying to recharge their cars to 100%. I’m surprised no i3 or leaf owner has killed another. This is just like road rage, tempers will flare and someone will be assaulted over a parking spot just to save $3. Also, last I checked I do believe the new volt is quickest off the line when compared to the i3.

    1. SparkEV says:

      When there were gas lines in 1970’s due to price control, did you advocate to going back to horse and buggy?

      Do you have the urge for horse and buggy when you wait for gas at Costco gas station?

      Volt is superior in being a potential gas guzzler. But when you have to replace the battery after warranty expires, let’s see how superior that will be. I doubt many will keep Volt running if the battery dies after warranty with 10+ year old gas engine. Then Volt is in junkyard after 10 years. With BEV, we only pay to fix the electric drive train, and far more likely to repair and continue to drive 20+ years.

      Fact is, DCFC waiting is only due to power of economics. There is practically no congestion or waiting if not for free chargers.