30 kWh Nissan LEAF Now Cheaper As Base S Gets Bigger Battery For $32,450

6 months ago by Eric Loveday 55

All Three Versions Of LEAF Compared - Note: S Still Listed As "Old" 24 kWh Version With Lower Price - Nissan's Site Needs To Be Updated

All Three Versions Of LEAF Compared – Note: S Still Listed As “Old” 24 kWh Version With Lower Price – Nissan’s Site Needs To Be Updated

Sometime rather recently, Nissan made a significant running 2016 Model Year change to the LEAF S. This change ditched the 24 kWh battery in favor of the bigger 30 kWh unit found in the current LEAF SL And SV.

Base Nissan LEAF Gets Larger 30 kWh/105 Mile Battery, Quick Charging

Base Nissan LEAF Gets Larger 30 kWh/105 Mile Battery, Quick Charging

With this change, the LEAF S range shot up to 107 miles (EPA) from the previous rating of 84 miles.

107 miles/30 kWh is now the range across the board for all three versions of the 2016 LEAF – although we don’t expect it to stay that way for much longer.  Upgrade for the premium trims anyone?

Additionally, the LEAF S price has increased from $29,010 to $32,450 + DST (the $1,770 Quick Charge 6.6 kW Package is now also included/standard).

The actual price change is rather minimal when you consider that some extra goodies are on board to allow for quicker charging.

Green Car Reports reached out to Paige Presley of Nissan North America for comment on the running Model year change. Presley stated:

“We have made a running change to the 2016 Leaf S model to equip it with 30-kwh battery packs as standard equipment, offering best-in-class range across all trim levels for LEAF.”

“Additionally, all 2016 Leaf S vehicles equipped with the 30-kwh battery pack will also come with the Quick Charge Package as a standard feature.”

“The base price of the 2016 LEAF S with the 30 kWh battery and Quick Charge Package is $32,450 before any federal, state or regional incentives are applied.”

“Should a customer desire a 2016 Leaf S with a 24-kwh battery, they can visit [the Nissan USA website] to locate a vehicle or find a dealership that will assist.”

Nissan’s site still lists the LEAF S as a 24 kWh car with the lower starting price. We assume the site has not yet been updated to reflect the recent change to 30 kWh for the LEAF S.

Nissan's Site Still Lists The "Old" Version Of The 2016 LEAF S

Nissan’s Site Still Lists The “Old” Version Of The 2016 LEAF S

Source: Green Car Reports

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55 responses to "30 kWh Nissan LEAF Now Cheaper As Base S Gets Bigger Battery For $32,450"

  1. Martin Welzl says:

    Imagine them carrying over the 45kwh battery from the zoe and including the lane departure warning/front traffic alert for the 2 higher trims. I think that will be their announcement at the LA auto show.

    1. Peter says:

      The new Zoe does not have 45 kWh, but just 41 kWh.

  2. DNAinaGoodWay says:

    30 kWh S @ $29k
    45 kWh SV @ $33k
    60 kWh SL @ $37k
    In the near future?

    1. MarkT says:

      Based on the new ZOE, I suspect for 2017
      30
      40
      40

      1. Just_Chris says:

        The leaf and the Zoe have never had the same battery. I’d be surprised if they changed that going forward. If they had planned to share I assume the Zoe would have gotten a 30 kWh version.

        It wouldn’t surprise me if the Leaf had the smallest of the batteries out of the Bolt and M3 but I think it will be larger than the Zoe.

        Personally, I’d rather see Nissan drop the price than go all out in the battery range battle. I think that a 45-50 kWh BEV for $25-30 would sell much better than a $40k 60 kWh car. Especially if the sell it globally at a competitive price with other ICE vehicles.

        1. Michael says:

          I agree with the Price Argument. The Leaf, same as the Bolt, is a typical 2nd car. And therefore drop of price is more important than better range.

          Rules are different for the main car. Here ranges play a much more significant role.

  3. John says:

    How does Nissan even sell one of these at this point?? My 2012 Leaf’s battery degradation has been terrible, it’s range is garbage, and there’s plenty of 200+ mile range EV’s coming out from other manufacturers shortly. One would have to be an idiot to spend as much as a new Bolt for half the range. It almost seems like Nissan thinks there’s still no competition.

    Am I missing something?

    1. sveno says:

      Well the 30kWh S trip Leaf would still be 5000USD cheaper than the base Bolt EV. Also it is questionable whether the 37500 USD price includes DC fast charging.

      Either way I am sure Nissan will respond further as soon as you can actually buy a Bolt EV.

      1. Covenanter says:

        Easy, Nissan will leave a high MSRP, but will have a ‘running’ deal of $6,000 – $8,000 off from NMAC finance. A buyer with great credit will be able to walk off the lot with a new S trim for about $14,000 if you live in a good state with incentives (CO, CA, CT)

        1. Yogurt says:

          All the 100 mile EVs are grosly over priced…
          I bought a Leaf S with quick charging a year ago for almost 10k under MSRP…

          I dont think the Bolt will be selling for much under MSRP for at least a year…

          The manufactures do have to charge more for new EVs than ICEs since they wont make as much with repair and maintance…

          If the out the door price difference between a Lead and Bolt is only 5k it would almost be foolish to buy a Leaf with so much less range and so much more battery degregation…

        2. davidagalvan says:

          I just bought a 2016 Leaf SV from Nissan of Van Nuys, in Los Angeles, about two weeks ago (9/30). My numbers were as follows:

          MSRP base price: $34,200
          Options: Splash Guards: 190
          Floor/cargo mats: 180
          cargo cover: 300
          Destination charge: 850

          Total MSRP price: $35,720
          TrueCar dealer discount: -3,806
          Nissan “Leaf Cash”: -2,000
          Nissan “NMAC Cash”: -4,000 (available when financing at 0% APR)
          Gap Insurance: +895 (important in case of total loss accident. Learned the hard way.)
          Theft deterrent system: +995 (didn’t want, but dealer pre-installs on all vehicles.)
          CA Sales Tax (9%): +2,872.26

          Total pre-incentives: $30,676.26 (including sales tax)

          CA State Rebate: -2,500
          Fed Tax Credit: -7,500

          Final Net cost to purchase: $20,676.26

          I financed at 0% APR for 72 months. Put $5k down, and my payments are $347/month.

          I bought at this time because I was in a car accident (not my fault) that totaled my 2014 Leaf (S trim), and needed a car now. If I’d had the option, I would have waited for the 2017 Leafs. As it is, though, I’m happy to have the 30 kWh SV. The range improvement is real. Drove it over 93 miles on the freeway with the AC on last weekend, and still had 14% on the battery when I pulled into my garage, so I’d say the 107 miles (EPA) is spot-on assuming fast freeway driving while using AC.

          1. DealerRipOffs says:

            Good to know to stay away from Nissan of Van Nuys. I got burned once by the old anti-theft device a while ago from Toyota of Orange, and similar to you let it go through after a long day of paperwork. Since then, I simply refuse to deal with dealerships that install that garbage. My car was broken into, but that “security” device did nothing since the door handle wasn’t used.

            1. Davidagalvan says:

              Yeah I still have a bad taste in my mouth about that device. What’s more, it’s not a car alarm. It’s just a GPS tracker that provides speed and position. Handy, I guess, but that functionality is already built into Nissan Connect EV (although, frankly, Nissan Connect EVs functionality is far slower). I agree it’s a total ripoff, and I raised the issue several times but apparently wasn’t forceful enough, and wasn’t willing to scrap the deal and start over at another dealership. Like you, I suspect the next time I am in this situation I will be more forceful and upfront about it. I had bought my previous Leaf (2014, S) from Nissan of Van Nuys a couple years prior, and had a much more upfront experience. They are apparently under new management.

          2. All-Purpose Guru says:

            That “antitheft device” that they charged you $995 for can be deleted. It was installed on my wife’s car.

            I told them we didn’t want it and to take it out– you don’t have to accept ANY third-party options when purchasing at a dealer– we were very serious that we would walk if they forced it on us.

            All they did for my wife’s car was insert a “key” that didn’t have a handle on it so the antitheft “system” was permanently disabled– ultimately I removed it later.

            *Anything* that they add to every car on the lot is GUARANTEED to be installed by the junior guy, so it has to be simple. No service manager is gonna let the junior guy hack apart the electrical system on a new car. Because it is simple, it can be easily figured out and removed.

            1. Jeffrey Songster says:

              Once when we were trying to buy a Saturn sedan… they claimed that they only sold them with those hacked in pieces of $hit… We said they would need to remove it… they ripped it out and called us to pick up the car and it wouldn’t even start because they had literally hacked it into the factory fresh and functional car. We refused that car and got the next one they had coming from the factory and it was fine. I would never accept that aftermarket crap added on by morons. Later read in warranty that it effectively voided the cars electrical warranty to have it on the car.

          3. Michael Sedler says:

            Cancel that gap contract and get it through your auto insurance. It will be hundreds cheaper.

            1. Davidagalvan says:

              Unfortunately, my carrier, Wawanesa insurance, does not offer gap insurance. They have the best premiums, but after a not-so-great experience with them, I am currently looking at other providers.

              I learned that in some states, it’s mandated by law that insurance providers offer gap insurance. Not the case in California.

    2. Rebel44 says:

      Well, since I live in a mild climate, I might be willing to get 30kWh Leaf – but only for €20K (incl. tax) or less, while waiting for Model 3

    3. wavelet says:

      Well, as far as announcements go, there’s only one 200mi EV coming shortly — the Bolt — and the Model likely a year after that.

      However, the competition is the other gen-1.5 cars… Incl. the Ioniq BEV, which has a slightly smaller battery @ 28kWh, but better range… I’d have expected Nissan to increase the base S to 30kWh keeping the price below $30K (pre-incentives).

    4. Murrysville EV says:

      @John: My 12 Leaf was the same way. Its battery had lost 15% by the end of the 3-year lease, and winter range was as low as 36 miles.

      I imagine you bought your Leaf, so as you know, the depreciation is horrific.

      The Leaf was a great first EV, but I won’t be going back to Nissan for Leaf 2.0. Instead, I’m waiting for the Model 3 I reserved in March.

      In fairness, the 13-16 Leaf batteries are different chemistry from the 11-12 batteries, and degradation and range are much improved. Still, Nissan is demonstrating lately that they’ve lost the plot.

      1. mike says:

        Don’t bet on newer batteries being better.
        My ’13 lost its first bar at 23K miles and at 31K is on its way to losing the next one.
        Until Nissan build proper batteries I will be glad to say goodbye to mine.
        That’s also why resale is so bad – who wants a used car/battery that has been reset to report full capacity?

        1. Peter says:

          According to InsideEVs own Used Nissan Leaf Buying Guide, Nissan first switched to the “lizard” battery some time during 2014. The “lizard” battery is what Nissan claims is heat tolerant and will not degrade in hot climates.

          Source: http://insideevs.com/used-nissan-leaf-buying-guide/

          2011 Year Models

          The battery pack may or may not have heater elements to keep it from freezing. This was only on the “cold weather package” offered at the time.
          Prone to battery degradation in hot climates (see more info on this below)

          2012 Year Models

          Should all have the battery heater element as this was made standard from this point onwards.
          Prone to battery degradation in hot climates (see more info on this below)

          2013 Year Models

          Uses an all-new battery pack from previous years.
          Anecdotal evidence tends to show that degradation is not as big of a problem in this year model, although Nissan never officially announced any changes related to heat tolerance.

          2014 Year Models

          Some 2014’s may have the same battery as 2013 models.
          Some 2014’s actually have the “lizard” battery that Nissan claims is heat tolerant and will not degrade in hot climates.

          2015 Year Models.

          Should all include the “lizard” battery and should be very reliable.

    5. TurboFroggy says:

      No you should have leased..

  4. Kevin C says:

    I would like to hear from 30 kWh Leaf owners regarding their experiences with battery degradation (or absence of)
    Especially those going on a full year of ownership.

    1. William says:

      Nissan Leaf 2016 SV, build date on 10/2015. At least 11 – 1/2 months old, and at a full 100% battery capacity (28.2 kWh useable / 80.28 AHr). Of course, the 349 miles on the odometer, might have something to do with the “Lizard” battery pack chemistry keeping the battery pack in Mint Condition.

      1. Kevin C says:

        Thanks William. Enjoy your new Leaf!

    2. Yogurt says:

      http://www.mynissanleaf.com/

      Here is a Leaf forum if you are interested…
      There are plenty old battery discussions…

  5. Someone out there says:

    It’s still too expensive. The price would be somewhat reasonable if it had the Zoe 40 kWh battery but 30 kWh is not good enough for that price. Not at this moment when the Bolt is just about to be released.

    1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

      They are not sold/leased at MSRP like most of the Tesla cars.
      E.g. a dealer sells $38,140 MSRP SL car for $25,140 and Nissan gives $4000 extra discount.

      BMW may keep higher price tag on i3, but they may offer very cheap leases instead.

      1. Someone out there says:

        If the price difference between MSRP and real price is that big it’s really bad marketing. Of course people gets the idea that EVs still are too expensive when they see fantasy MSRPs like that. I realize that there needs to be some flexibility for dealer discounts but that is a huge difference.

      2. davidagalvan says:

        You’re right that Nissan discounts it, but It’s not as quite as good as you are saying once you factor back in sales tax and other stuff that gets tacked on.

        I bought a 2016 Leaf SV in Los Angeles two weeks ago (9/30).

        Total MSRP (with floor mats, cargo cover, destination charge) was $35,720.
        Nissan Corporate provided $6000 in discounts ($2k of “Leaf Cash” and $4k of NMAC cash, available if you finance the vehicle with 0% APR.)
        The dealership provided $3,806 in discounts, thanks to TrueCar.

        So the real price (before taxes or incentives) was $25,914.

        With CA rebate of $2500 and Fed Tax Credit of $7,500, that makes the net price (before taxes and dealer-add-ons) at $15,914.

        But. . . BUT! Then you’ve got sales tax (9% in CA meant $2872), Gap insurance ($895), and dealer-add-ons ($995 at my dealership for a theft-deterrent device GPS tracker. I didn’t want it but they pre-install on all cars and will not negotiate it away. Almost walked away over it. . . but it was a long day.)

        With all that, the end-of-the-day, honest-to-goodness, net cost to the owner (including all sales tax, all discounts, all government incentives) was:
        $20,676.26.

  6. Ocean Railroader says:

    I get the impression that Nissan might have stopped making the 24 kilowatt batteries and now is using all 30 kilowatt batteries now.

    1. Rightofthepeople says:

      Exactly my thought! So, what does this mean for backward compatibility of the 30 kWh battery with 2011 – 2015 Leafs? If one wants to purchase a new battery for an older car, and there are no more 24 packs, what then? How long before Nissan announces (begrudgingly) that they will be able to install 30 packs into the older Leafs?

      1. Brian says:

        That’s my question. Will battery warranty replacements now use a 30kw battery?

        1. Dave K says:

          I’m wondering the same thing, I’m waiting on a M3 but would gladly upgrade my ’11 Leaf to a 30kwhr if it was an option. I would even pay more for that 40+kwhr Zoe battery if it was offered, I love my Leaf and would glady keep it if the battery could be upgraded.

          1. Jeffrey Songster says:

            So far it seems that Nissan has no plans to make them upgradeable… would be nice if they would come up with a converter kit… or at least an ultra competitive price on the 24kW battery so the older machines can stay on the road longer. My guess is that their depreciation will flatten out quickly if there was a very cheap replacement battery. If the 24kW were in the 2 to 3k price range it would be a simple choice to refresh the used cars back into service.

  7. AtlSwiss says:

    When my 2011 Nissan Leaf SL gets over its fourth remaining bar in 2017 (and still under the 5 year/60k miles capacity warranty since I bought it December 2012), will Nissan give me a 30 KWH battery if they stop making the 24 KWH battery? Crossing my fingers! Feeling like a lottery winner!

    1. Brian says:

      I’m wondering the same thing. If 24kw are gone, then it would make sense to just use the newer pack instead of building older, smaller batteries. My 2012 warranty is good until 2018 so I have plenty of time to see how it plays out.

      1. BenG says:

        A nice 2012 at a cheap price, with a battery on the verge of needing replacement could turn out to be an extremely affordable car to own.

        Even if Nissan replaces with a 24 kwh battery, you know the replacement would be lizard chemistry that would last the remaining expected lifespan of the car.

        When I shopped this year I went with a 2012 Volt instead of a Leaf, but the Nissan did get serious consideration, as did the Prius. What kept me away from the Leaf was the relatively poor reliability score in Consumer Reports for the 2013s, which had the upgrades I wanted at the price I wanted.

    2. quartzav says:

      My 2011 got replacement this July that is new pack from GID reading. I suspect as the supply gets less they might start using refurbished 24 kWh pack instead…

      1. BenG says:

        Yep, factory refurbished 24 kwh packs for replacement is more likely than Nissan coughing up a 30 kwh battery. They also probably went ahead and manufactured some substantial excess new 24 kwh packs for use as replacement parts.

  8. superbikemike46 says:

    Son of a….. we just leased an S two months ago.

    1. William says:

      The 2016 Nissan SV (30kWh batt.), with premium package, can be Leased for between $.11 and .12 per mile for 3 year / 45K mi. out the door, here in California (including Ca $2,500. CVRP). Comes with the standard “no charge to charge” for first 24 months. And the Lease deals will probably get even better, approaching $ .10/per mile, out the door, after October 31st.

  9. kubel says:

    Does S trim still have no heatpump?

  10. Bill Howland says:

    Too bad about the leaf.. I was looking at it last month when I was in the market for a used ev, and the thing that got me was, there were NO leafs for sale within 150 miles from a reputable dealer, and the nearest Leafs that were only a year old with low mileage still were only around $13500.

    The reason must be that all Leaf batteries are horrible, although my friend Brian still has the original battery in his, although he has said he has had degredation, and I think it has very low miles on it.

    Agree with most everyone that Nissan, although having the most popular EV ever, has definitely squandered it lead.

  11. jim stack says:

    In Arizona where we test the new and old LEAF the battery still degrades 5-10% a year. Until they fix that I would not take even a free one.
    All other cars like the FOCUS EV, SPARK EV and EVen BMW hold they capacity with no loss in 3 years testing.

    1. Murrysville EV says:

      Wow, that’s discouraging. I know the Arizona/heat problem gets all the attention on the Leaf battery, but they also degrade badly in the cold (western PA, for me).

      My 12 Leaf degraded 15% in 3 years, and I had hoped the reports of the ‘lizard’ battery being better were true.

      All the more reason to NOT buy Nissan next time.

      1. Bill Howland says:

        Yeah, when I still had my Roadster I got all 4 tie rods replaced at the nearby combined Nissan/Lotus dealership, and the employees in the service dept used to joke about the sole Leaf owner who would come infor service in the winter time – wearing a ski jacket so that he wouldn’t have to use the heater much (he must have used luke warm air for the defroster). Apparently the range available was THAT BAD.

        I also remember back in 2011 Nisan engineers arrogantly laughed at the VOLT, criticizing it for being needlessly complicated.

        As it turns out, I’ve never heard of ANYONE having any trouble at all with the volt battery, and no range degredation to the point where an OLD VOLT has more all electric range than an OLD Nissan, besides having a ‘spare’ charger for another 300 miles in case the battery is drained. Other than the necessity of draining the battery when the car is involved in a collision.

  12. Dr. Strange says:

    If you’re looking to get a 30kWh EV in the next few months, I’d seriously consider the e-Golf. The upgrade to 30kWh is supposedly coming at the end of the year. We have a LEAF and an e-Golf, and there really is no comparison in terms of quality and drive characteristics. The only thing the LEAF has over it is it is slightly larger. Our 2011 LEAF battery is down 25% and it rattles like the dickens inside. It’s been doing that since it was less than a year old. I can’t see myself getting another Nissan based on build quality and materials, let alone the horrible battery situation.

    I was smart this time and leased the VW. But it seems likely I’ll want to keep it far more than the Leaf, unfortunately. Well at least we contributed to the early EV adoption rate, but man it was expensive.

    1. Yogurt says:

      If you’re looking to get a 30kWh EV in the next few months, I’d seriously consider the e-Golf…

      …or 2017 Ford Focus EV or Ioniq or 2017 Kia Soul assuming those three are made available where you live…

      I would not trust any Nissan battery EV unless they switched to liquid cooled LG cells…

  13. Peter says:

    With these new updates, how about updating the “Used Nissan Leaf Buying Guide”? This guide hasn’t included 2016 models yet.

    http://insideevs.com/used-nissan-leaf-buying-guide/

  14. Ian says:

    With the 24 kWh pack being discontinued does this mean all replacement packs will be 30 kWh…

    1. Jeffrey Songster says:

      I would doubt that as there are other subsystems of the car that would need replacing also apparently. But I would hope they could come up with a kit or something to offer… or at least pro rated to damn cheap 24kW batteries.

  15. Sathya says:

    Should I buy a pre-owned BMW X1 (top variant) that is about 4 years old with about 30,000 miles on it or a brand new Nissan Terrano. Tell suggest me the best.