2018 Nissan LEAF Reveal Recap: 150 Miles This Year, 200+ Miles Next Year

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The new 2018 Nissan LEAF takes the stage for the first time at its debut event in Tokyo, Japan

It was August 2009 when we got our first look at the Nissan LEAF.  Now just 8 years later, and after some 7 years of retail sales, the next generation has arrived.

So lets not bury the lead, the 2018 Nissan indeed gets more range – and it is exactly the “more range” we have been pounding the table on for the past ~2 years.

Yes, the 40 kWh/150 mile battery for ~$30k US is nice, but we have our eye on the 60 kWh battery in 2018 nonetheless

There will ultimately be two battery choices available, a base 40 kWh offering at launch, and an optional 60 kWh pack.

The 40 kWh is pegged to get an EPA-estimated 150 miles of range (400km/248 miles on the optimistic Japanese metric – JC08) – a 40% gain.

With that said, Nissan will only be making the 40 kWh available out of the gate, the 60 kWh battery (with reportedly better performance as well) arrives in the second half 2018 – as a 2019 model.

Given the way math and weight works for plug-in vehicles, if the 40 kwh LEAF nets 150 miles, the 60 kWh version is estimated to be somewhere around 220-225 miles of range.

Pricing begins, as expected, from $29,990 in the US (more pricing/specs below) – which of course means, “Hello $199/month lease deals practically right out of the gate”. Also of note:  In Canada, the LEAF starts at $35,998 (~$29,000 USD) and again comes with better base options (such as standard DC fast charging, “All Weather Package” – heated seats/steering wheel).

“When we launched LEAF in 2010, it instantly became the most affordable, mass market EV in the world. We are not walking away from that proposition,” said José MuñozChief Performance Officer, Nissan Motor Co., Ltd. and Chairman, Nissan North America, Inc

“The value equation for the new LEAF is even stronger than ever before – beginning with a starting MSRP1 under $30,000. That’s a lower price than the LEAF in market today and it includes more power, range and technology, all wrapped in a beautiful new exterior and interior design.”

This the improved look, range and sharper pricing, Nissan expects sales to double or even triple (if not more) in 2018.  Only time will tell if this prediction comes true…although we suspect if Nissan stocks the 2018 LEAF well, it shouldn’t have any issues with putting up some pretty decent numbers.

New Nissan CEO Hiroto Saikawa introduces the 2018 mile leaf

On the performance side, things have improved there as well with a motor inverter (and maybe a software) tweak.  The 2018 LEAF nets 147 horsepower and 236 pound-feet of torque (up from 107 hp and 187 lb-ft in the current model).

As a result, Nissan says the 0-100 km/h (0-62mph) time has been cut by 15 percent.

As a point of reference, when we tested a 2017 LEAF to 60 mph, we netted a time of 10.3 seconds; so a 15% gain from that point would be 0-60 mph in ~8.9 seconds.

New Nissan LEAF sales start first in Japan in October, while the US first deliveries could happen in late December (although in press the company is officially saying early 2018).  We should note the LEAF will be available in all 50 states immediately in early 2018.

2018 Nissan LEAF pricing/basic specs US

Video (below): Nissan Global put out this interesting 2018 LEAF spot

2018 Nissan LEAF Interior

2018 Nissan LEAF arrives in all 50 US states and Europe in early 2018 – October in Japan

New Nissan LEAF specifications (US Model)

2018 Nissan LEAF Specs – US Edition

2018 Nissan LEAF

Nissan Press Release:

The all-new 2018 Nissan LEAF: raising the bar for electric vehicles

  • Greater range and advanced technologies make new LEAF the ultimate EV package
  • 2018 LEAF offers a longer range at a lower price – with stronger performance, striking new design and cutting-edge technologies
  • Since its launch in 2010, LEAF has been the #1 affordable, mass production EV in the world
  • LEAF’s advanced ProPILOT™ Assist and e-Pedal technologies offer a look into the future of Nissan Intelligent Mobility

 

LAS VEGAS – Nissan today introduced the all-new Nissan LEAF, the next evolution in zero-emission electric vehicles. The best-selling electric car of all time has been completely reinvented, combining greater range with a dynamic new design and advanced technologies, which represent Nissan’s technological leadership.

The new e-powertrain boosts acceleration and excitement. ProPILOT™ Assist and e-Pedal technologies make driving more enjoyable, helping enhance safety and reduce stress. Drivers of the new LEAF will feel more confident, excited and connected, while contributing to a sustainable smart-mobility society.

“The new Nissan LEAF drives Nissan Intelligent Mobility, which is the core brand strategy for Nissan’s future,” said Hiroto Saikawa, president and chief executive officer of Nissan. “The new Nissan LEAF, with its improved autonomy range, combined with the evolution of autonomous drive technology, such as ProPILOT™ Assist and the simple operation of the e-Pedal, strengthens Nissan’s EV leadership, as well as the expansion of EVs globally. It also has the core competency of future Nissan models.”

The most advanced e-powertrain
The 2018 LEAF offers a range of 150 miles1, allowing drivers to enjoy safer and longer journeys than the previous-generation vehicle. The new e-powertrain is rated at 147 horsepower and 236 lb-ft of torque, providing improved acceleration and driver enjoyment.

Evolved driver assistance technologies
The all-new LEAF features two new intelligent driving technologies in the North American marketplace. ProPILOT Assist driver assistance technology, used during single-lane highway driving, helps makes a journey easier, less stressful and more relaxing.

The LEAF’s revolutionary e-Pedal technology transforms the driving experience. It lets drivers start, accelerate, decelerate and stop by increasing or decreasing the pressure applied to the accelerator. When the accelerator is fully released, regenerative and friction brakes are applied automatically, bringing the LEAF to a complete stop. The car holds its position, even on steep uphill slopes, until the accelerator is pressed again. The reactiveness of e-Pedal helps maximize driving pleasure.

Exterior design: sleek silhouette and “cool tech attitude”
The new Nissan LEAF’s design includes a low, sleek profile that gives it a sharp, dynamic look. Along with excellent aerodynamics, the styling – from the sleek silhouette to the car’s “advanced expression” – evokes the exhilaration of driving an EV.

Familiar Nissan design features include the signature boomerang-shaped lamps and V-Motion flow in the front. The flash-surface grille in clear blue and the rear bumper’s blue molding emphasize its identity as a Nissan EV.

Interior design: premium ambience with a clean, relaxed, high-tech feeling
The LEAF’s completely redesigned cabin is focused on the driver, featuring a front panel in the form of a “gliding wing.” It combines an excellent use of space with functionality.

The interior design creates a relaxed ambience and premium quality feel, due to the carefully selected materials. Vibrant blue stitching in the seats, instrument panel and steering wheel have been incorporated as a symbol of Nissan’s electric vehicles. The 7-inch, full-color TFT display has been redesigned for easier comprehension of key features, such as the Safety Shield technology, power gauge and audio and navigation system information. Apple CarPlay and Android Auto have also been added.

For customers who want more excitement and performance, Nissan will also offer a higher power, longer range version at a higher price in model year 2019. The new Nissan LEAF goes on sale in Japan on Oct. 2. The model is slated for deliveries in the U.S. and Europe in early 2018. The starting MSRP2 in the U.S. will be $29,990.

Video (below):  Check out the live debut from Tokyo of the 2018 Nissan LEAF (from the 16:20 mark)

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166 responses to "2018 Nissan LEAF Reveal Recap: 150 Miles This Year, 200+ Miles Next Year"

  1. Pinewold says:

    Enough to stay in the game, not enough to change the score it’s their competitors. If the $30k is before incentives, some people will get a very reasonably priced car. Using Tesla’s $9k for 25kWh more the 60kWh battery would be about $7200 more. If that is true, The Leaf could be much cheaper than the Bolt for the low end of the market.

    1. mx says:

      No. It’s a Toyota Killer.
      The question is is all that safety tech in the 40kWh version?
      A real EV at a great price, with better acceleration.
      There’s no need for anyone now to buy a Prius.

      1. mx says:

        And a faster version in 2018.
        This is going to be interesting.

        1. Mr. M says:

          The faster model starts selling now (Asia) and in Dezember 2017 (other) since it’s MY 2018. All New leafs are faster not just the 60kWh battery.

      2. FISHEV says:

        But people will continue to buy the Prius and in ever increasing numbers. Prius has no issues with range while delivering what people want, very low emissions.

        Nissan would have done better just coming out with a 240 mile range model out of the gate.

        Good for GM Bolt sales that Nissan aimed low.

        1. Just_Chris says:

          Total non-sense this is a fantastic play by Nissan. 150 miles real range for less than $30k is fantastic. If you need more range you can spend the extra $7.5k on a bolt or the extra $10k+ on the model 3. It will be a available globally in decent numbers as well. Every car maker in the country chasing Tesla’s 200 mile under $40k target won’t help everyone.

          1. Just_Chris says:

            BTW what does suck is that it won’t arrive in the US until January next year.

            1. Jay Cole says:

              Well you might still be able to get one in December if you are lucky. Nissan is hedging a bit here, as they are really stressing the 50 state thing in January.

              ..and January is only ~116 days away. It isn’t like they showed it to you and said, “See you in 2 years (or 4 years)”, like some others have, (=

          2. Tosho says:

            I bet that we will see Tesla’s 220 mile M3 for 35K around December as well…

            1. Terawatt says:

              Sure, those who reserved in March 2016 can probably get a Model 3 by then, if they also live in the US.

              The about ninety million people who will buy a car next year who aren’t early reservation holders living in the US can’t however get a Model 3 without a long wait. There’s no telling if the wait will be more or less than the current ~1.5 years, but right now at least the reservation rate likely exceeds the (admittedly extremely low) production rate.

              By the time you can actually get a Model 3 you can also get a 2019 LEAF!

        2. Mint says:

          The Leaf has its place with a price well below that of the Model 3. The Bolt, OTOH, is under direct assault from the Model 3 (and soon the Y) and can’t compete with all Tesla has to offer.

          I also think ProPilot and styling are big advantages for the LEAF over the Bolt.

          1. BenG says:

            I prefer the look of the Bolt by a fair amount. This new Leaf styling just doesn’t do anything for me.

      3. zzzzzzzzzz says:

        Leaf will stay on the top in BEV market, but it is no match for Prius ability to get 700 miles of range in 3 minutes on every corner, and 50+ mpg fuel economy, no worse than charging at average electric rates before taxes.

      4. Tom W says:

        Precisely! What a hit to the Prius Plug-in.

    2. SparkEV says:

      If GM really wanted to kill this Leaf, they’d offer 40 kWh Bolt option and price at $31,415.93.

      1. cmina says:

        We’re still not clear on the base options for the new Leaf.
        So far we only know this:

        “The 2018 Leaf comes in three trim levels, the Leaf S for $29,990, the Leaf SV for $32,490, and the Leaf SL for $36,200. It’s unclear what comes on which trim levels, but look for Nissan’s ProPilot Assist to be optional or standard on up-trim models. Other options include heated seats and a heated steering wheel. The Leaf comes with a basic warranty of 36 months or 36,000 miles and a powertrain warranty of 60 months or 60,000 miles.”

        1. cmina says:

          Some factory floor shots for this overpriced facelift

          1. Will says:

            Then why don’t GM don’t kill it. It’s capitalism. GM don’t like competition only status quo and I have a volt

  2. Dr. T says:

    I think GM drop the ball with the Bolt. Telsa Nissan’s engineering VP put you on notice. The seats were the killer for me. I’m going to get the all white version.

  3. Leo says:

    Cargo down to 435L? 2017 says 668L.

    That would be a damn shame. The cargo volume is the reason the current Leaf works for us while the Bolt wouldn’t.

    1. bro1999 says:

      That’s what happens when you cram a bigger battery in the old platform.

      1. Get Real says:

        And that is what happens when Bro troll makes pulls Assumptions out of his posterior without checking facts first.

        1. ClarksonCote says:

          Hmmm, Cargo down to 435L from 668L seems fairly cut and dry. Or did they decrease the footprint of the car? I didn’t watch the debut.

    2. WadeTyhon says:

      Is it due to the increased battery pack?

      Since the vehicle isn’t a complete re-design they may be sacrificing trunk space. But that would put it as less space than a Bolt I believe.

    3. Leo says:

      Nevermind. US Specs say 23.6 which is same as 2017.

      1. WadeTyhon says:

        That’s good! That one is most likely correct considering the modest bump in battery size to the 40.

        Maybe the other stats were intended for the 60 kWh.

    4. MM says:

      It6’s inexplicable to me that our “17 Leaf rear seats don’t remove or at least tumble forward like 100 other cars. Here’s hoping a big square usable space happens.

      1. Jelloslug says:

        What small hatchback does that?

        1. Jim J Fox says:

          Honda Jazz?

    5. William says:

      You are absolutely spot on with your cargo evaluation!

    6. unlucky says:

      Seems hard to believe. Looking at the picture of the trunk area it’s clear it’s exactly the same trunk area. Not similar. It even has that round shape protruding in on the right (as you look into the trunk).

      It’s the same trunk. It’s the same car.

  4. Ken says:

    No mention of over the air updates which makes it almost certain to not be included. This means however limited the initial pro-pilot is you are stuck with it until you replace the car. No software updates to fix or improve the “e-pedal” performance. This “new” model is already old. It will require a low price to sell well.

    1. Will says:

      Updates will be done at the dealers like when bolts had software updates

      1. Spider-Dan says:

        I prefer to take my car in for updates. That way, I don’t wake up one day and find that my performance has magically been reduced to “protect me from myself.”

        1. Jelloslug says:

          I don’t want to have to make an appointment with an uncaring dealer that take three attempts to apply a 39 minute software patch.

          1. Spider-Dan says:

            You should find a better dealership. Not all are created equal.

            In any case, if it means I have to wait for updates I do want to avoid being forced to take updates I don’t want, I’m happy to take that trade.

    2. Dan says:

      I don’t really care for over the air updates. I change my ios version on my phone maybe twice a year tops. Once a year is just fine for my car.

      1. Terawatt says:

        iOS has only been released in ten major versions since the beginning nine years ago, so 1-2 times per year is actually pretty frequent. Add in that you implicitly update when you get a new phone, and you may have 20 updates in nine years.

        Your car should live 15-20 years, so if you updated it as “infrequently” as you do iOS we’re looking at 40 otherwise unnecessary dealer visits.

        In terms of convenience there’s no doubt whatever that OTA wins. The question is whether it’s safe. It definitely does add an attack vector for those who might want to hack your car.

  5. MTN Ranger says:

    Some nice detailed video footage after the event. Under hood – no frunk as expected. Charging port area seems bigger and higher up – CHAdeMO shown charging. Trunk looks a lot deeper. Interior looks almost identical to current model with some updated electronics seen in the Murano. Same drag coefficient is disappointing.

  6. Scott Franco says:

    No thermal management info.

    1. ffbj says:

      You have it backwards:
      Info, No thermal management.

    2. SparkEV says:

      Yup. TMS was #1 on my list. #2 was towing capacity. But it seems those are the same as old Leaf: no TMS, no towing.

  7. threader says:

    “No thermal management info.” What you think they wouldn’t toot their horns if they had it? Silent in denial.

    1. ffbj says:

      I read somewhere it’s still air-cooled but they improved it like 25%, and were all, aren’t we great. Not liquid cooled though.

  8. Brandon says:

    I love this part:
    …the LEAF will be available in all 50 states immediately in early 2018.

    That’s gotta be worth quite something there. And it’s not just the U.S. that’ll get it nationwide the beginning of the year, but also Europe.

    1. Tom says:

      Now witness the power of this fully supplied and operational assembly plant.

    2. Will says:

      Yeah they have three factories in the world that can produce these vehicles. Let’s see if they up the production to 100k here in the states and not do a GM. GM bolt is failing because they produce so few without expanding nationwide and restricted the demand of the vehicle. They wanted to create a demand which they did but it hurt their sales and reputation with their shenagains. Leaf will outsell Bolt 2/1 and the price wars will start with more options being added to the GM to compete with it’s price point. I need memory power seats and a sunroof is all I’m asking.

      1. ModernMarvelFan says:

        “I need memory power seats and a sunroof is all I’m asking.”

        Who says that is available on the LEAF?

        2 to 1?

        You are dreaming.

        1. Will says:

          It’s on the ioniq electric

          1. Dav8or says:

            How many of those have you bought?

            1. Will says:

              None because it not available and you cant get it in Cleveland Ohio.

              1. Will says:

                That is why we need someone to add those features and I will get it pronto

  9. Brandon says:

    So with fast charging to 80% listed as taking 40 minutes, that seems quite clearly still at 50 kW. I suppose it will go decently faster compared to the 30 kWh tho, because the larger 40 kWh battery enables the rate of charge to stay higher for longer.

    1. SparkEV says:

      When you’re waiting, rate of charge doesn’t matter. I hope they discontinue no charge to charge program, but I suspect they will continue. But if so, I hope they keep it 30 minutes rather than 1 hr or unlimited. It won’t prevent people from plugging in for second 30 minute free session, but hopefully there won’t be as many.

      If this Leaf sell in large numbers and they allow 1 hr or unlimited time free charging, DCFC will be far more hopelessly clogged between Bolt and Leaf. Then people will stay away from EV. I probably won’t be driving EV next year.

      1. Brian S says:

        The “No Charge To Charge” is a huge reason I was able to get a Leaf. I’m approaching three years of my Leaf with no home charging. The initial estimates to install wiring in my condo were crazy expensive.

        I guess you prefer no one else buy an EV and you get pick of half-abandoned fast chargers. Too bad for you, the world is moving in a better direction.

        1. SparkEV says:

          So without free charging, you are unable to charge your car? Wow, your condo has very powerful reach to be able to control charging companies like that just to target you.

          “Better world” is waiting 30 minutes for free charging Leaf that lack TMS charging at 2 kW using 50 kW charger? Enjoy your “even better world” if Nissan decide to extend free charging to 1 hr or more and resulting longer waits with even more tapered Leaf.

      2. Lil Sparky says:

        fyi – on the east coast chademo chargers are very rarely unavailable due to being occupied. They are deployed in pairs in some locations and I have arrived with one of the two chademo in use. More often broken than occupied but most of the old Eatons are gone so that is improving. hopefully on the west coast the number of chademo chargers will grow to match the high EV sales.

        1. SparkEV says:

          Think of our west coast (more specifically San Diego and OC) as canary in a coal mine. As more EV are sold, this problem will appear everywhere if free charging is widespread. Heck, what Bolt showed is that even few dozen free and slow charging (in C rate) EV clog up an entire city.

          This new Leaf with much longer charge time will cause lots of waiting thanks to free chargers. There will be orders of magnitude more free charging Leaf than free charging Bolt.

    2. F150 Brian says:

      I’m not sure many people will care that much about the charge speed of a short range EV.

      Who would realistically take this on a long trip, having to stop every hour and a half to charge?

      1. Lil Sparky says:

        Plenty of people. Preferably not in a rush.

        For many young single people (among others) their EV is their only car. The occasional trip longer than the range of the car just takes longer. This is where fast charging (ie: 150 kW) would come in handy.

        I’ve done a few 200 mile plus trips in my 2016 Leaf which would have taken a lot less time in my wife’s 2010 Prius. Not in a rush. A trip that takes 3 hours with ICE (or hybrid) ends up taking 4 hours of more with a Leaf. But you get there.

        1. Spider-Dan says:

          I wouldn’t recommend that any young person have a <200 mile BEV as their only car if they have any choice in the matter. That is a recipe for a terrible experience that turns a customer off of BEVs for years.

          That kind of customer would be much better off with a PHEV, or even an HEV.

          1. Quebec 100% EV says:

            Spider-Dan – So not true, not a big deal at all. My girlfriend has a 30kwh 2016 Nissan Leaf and I actually prefer to drive it over my gas guzzling Audi A5, EVEN on longer trips involving DC fast charging. The wait is not long at all in the grand scheme of things, we’ve used the fast chargers only about once or twice a month and with this 40kwh Leaf it would be even less frequent.

            1. Spider-Dan says:

              It sounds like you have the choice of whether to drive a Leaf or an A5. A low-range BEV is fine when you have a choice to drive something else instead.

              1. Lil Sparky says:

                Maybe you didn’t read the part about “prefers to drive the Leaf on long trips”.

                It turns out a lot of young people are buying EVs as their only car and many are not buying a car at all even if they could easily afford one. Occasionally retired people buy an EV as their only car (and do very little driving and all local).

                1. Spider-Dan says:

                  I wasn’t talking about long-distance trips where you plan your travel, meals, breaks etc. around lengthy charge times.

                  I was talking about driving to the city and finding that the DC charger you wanted to use is down for repairs, then driving to another one and finding that it’s in use. I was talking about driving to work and then getting a call that your grandma is in the hospital 60 miles away.

                  Basically, I’m talking about the kind of transportation independence that is a major reason why a person owns a car in the first place (instead of simply using public transit or carpooling).

                  A low-range BEV is a terrible solution as a sole vehicle. They can be awesome as a supplementary car but I would never recommend them to anyone as a sole vehicle, excepting some sort of niche situation where a person has access to ~free charging and can’t really afford gas.

      2. Terawatt says:

        Moron!! I’m sorry to be crass, but you are asking for it.

        Just about the longest trip I’d take in a typical year is possible with one 30 minute charging & reading stop in this car. Basically I would drive this the same way as a Tesla on 100% of trips in a typical year.

        Granted, going from Kristiansand, Norway to Napoli, Italy would be more convenient in the Tesla or a gasmobile, but that’s because the Nissan would require the use of many different charging providers with many different payment solutions (apps, RFID cards, …) and would be equally inconvenient even if the car had 100 kWh on board. Tesla’s network does make international trips in Europe simpler.

        Calling yourself F150 I suppose it’s only to be expected you’d be here only to troll, not because of any genuine interest in EVs, and certainly not in the environment! Well, the F150 is a good way to advertise ignorance and selfishness. It’s a symbol of everything wrong with the US.

        1. Lil Sparky says:

          No need for personal insults. We got your point. F150’s comments don’t seem to me to be those of a troll.

          btw- Lil Sparky is the name I’ve given to my 2016 Leaf. I also own a 2008 F-250 that I put about 2,500 miles a year on. A Leaf can’t tow 11,400 pounds or carry a heavy load or carry a lot of bulky or heavy tools or lumber or small boats. You get the idea.

  10. WadeTyhon says:

    “We should note the LEAF will be available in all 50 states immediately in early 2018.”

    Too bad that it will not launch this year in the US…

    “With that said, Nissan will only be making the 40 kWh available out of the gate, the 60 kWh battery arrives in the second half 2018. as a 2019 model.”

    …that would probably put the launch of the 60 kWh version after Tesla and possibly GM have exited their unlimited $7500 rebate quarter.

    It will provide a good alternative at an already lower starting price.

      1. DJ says:

        That’s what I was thinking. A nicer looking car, with more features, 40% more range and a price cheaper than the outgoing model. I think it will do pretty good. The Leaf is the best selling EV to date and with more for less it will continue to sell very well I suspect.

        Not everyone needs 300 miles of range, a SC network, crazy acceleration, nor does everyone want to pay for those either. 150 miles checks a heck of a lot of boxes for people. Different strokes for different folks.

        1. MotoEV says:

          Agree 100% If sales of the Model III come at the expense of the higher margin Model S & Model X, we could be having another conversation about Tesla come calendar year 2018-2020.

          1. Terawatt says:

            It’s called “Model 3”. Tesla introduced the then-new name and used a logo with three *horizontal* bars, but they soon abandoned that, and never used Roman numerals.

        2. Mark.ca says:

          Agree, this car should do well…hopefully the battery will hold up better too but i’m surprised about the lack of tms. Good lease candidate.

  11. cab says:

    This looks like the ultimate commuter…

  12. speculawyer says:

    Not bad. More range, lower price and better looking are all nice improvements. Hard to get excited about it but it provides a nice medium range EV.

    It has the same problems as the Bolt…econobox looks and lack of a good DC fast charge infrastructure. But it has a much lower price so that’sgood.

    1. Mark.ca says:

      no way! This doesn’t look as bad as the Bolt. This car actually looks normal in the one tone color.

  13. LeafOwner says:

    Pretty much the same chassis dimensions as the gen one; same CD; bigger battery; more motor, faster to 60. new styling sheet metal on front and back. All I want is a longer range battery for my 2011 and I would be satisfied. Not enough in the new one for me to buy in.

    There is talk of increasing the 2018 range later; one wonders if this 40 kWh battery is made by Nissan or is from their new battery supplier, L.G. CHEM? I’m guessing this one has a Nissan battery and the upgraded version later on will be from LG CHEM.

    1. Quebec 100% EV says:

      LeafOwner – I think your theory is bang on. This smells like an AESC battery and the 60kwh will be LG Chem (and liquid-cooled i’m assuming).

    2. Terawatt says:

      Yep, that’s the case – except of course is incorrect to refer to NEC as a “Nissan battery” since they sold their 51% stake.

      I believe they couldn’t get the 60 kWh from LG yet, or not at the right price, and that’s why it we must wait another year.

      Nissan internally doesn’t refer to this car as a new generation, because it isn’t. They call it a facelift. A new generation usually is engineered anew from the ground up, and the second generation LEAF is expected in 2020.

      Which means the LEAF, which has been updated so much less than many wished, will have quite a run the next three years. MY 2018 is this significantly improved car; 2019 sees the introduction of a version with further 50% more capacity on board, and 2020 a brand new car.

      It should be good for much except second hand value. My 2012 SL wasn’t worth very much a week ago, but it’ll be worth significantly less in February or so when all the potential buyers are aware of the new car at the old price point!

  14. Don Zenga says:

    Beautiful design.
    Its bigger than the earlier generation in every aspect.
    Length: 1.4″ longer
    Width: 0.8″ wider
    Height: 0.4″ taller

    Range: 40% more
    Price: Slightly lesser
    Weight: Remains the same which is good.

    The cargo space remains the same at 23.6 cu. ft.
    What about the passenger space?. Hope it should be more, but its not specified anywhere.
    Overall, great work Team Nissan.

    1. William says:

      Good question about front passenger space along with hopefully a better 5 star passenger crash safety rating in the 1/2 overlap CT, if I’m not mistaken.

      1. Spoonman. says:

        Yep, I’m not putting my family in this until I see the crash ratings.

    2. unlucky says:

      The wheelbase is identical. I wouldn’t expect the practical passenger space to change at all.

      The turnk looks completely unchanged too.

  15. M3 - reserved -- Niro/Leaf 2.0 - TBD says:

    I like it. Cargo space is key for us and 150mi works. 200mi would be interesting to see and we may have the time to decide with 15 yo to learn in the odyssey and move over to Leaf 2.0 with space for dog in the trunk.

    Niro — looking at you to up the ante here.

  16. Get Real says:

    Its obviously an evolutionary upgrade off the existing Leaf platform with some nice improvements.

    I withhold final judgement until we know about the battery TMS. If then is none then it will be compromised again.

    i do think the white with the black floating roof looks WAY better then the existing leaf but the solid ones are a more marginal looking improvement.

    If these sell in the low 20k range and leases in the 100-150$/month range, with the incentives I could see these doing very well as capable commuters with occasional long-distance travel where there is adequate charging.

    1. MotoEV says:

      I’ve seen nothing to have one believe the new Leaf uses the past generation architecture.

      http://www.carscoops.com/2017/08/nissan-leaf-platform-to-spawn-more-evs.html

      1. facile says:

        Same wheelbase and tracks.

  17. F150 Brian says:

    What’s that woooosh sound?

    That’s the sound of the resale value of all short range BEVs falling like a rock.

    1. Lil Sparky says:

      That sound started when Tesla announced the model 3. It got louder when Bold started to ship and even louder when model 3 started to ship. Maybe its a little louder now.

    2. Mint says:

      Yeah, this is now king of the commuter EVs.

      150 miles plus ProPilot makes all the short range EVs obsolete, and Tesla isn’t going to bother with the sub $35k market for a long time, if ever.

  18. Lil Sparky says:

    The just under $30K starting price will be a big plus for a lot of people. The roughly $32k and $35k of the SV and SL are also great.

    150 miles of range is a disappointment and will hurt against Bolt and Model 3, though the price may make up for it. Market will tell us.

    btw- the 40 KWh battery is the same size and about the same weight as the older 30 kWh. The 60 kWh may or may not add some bulk and some weight. Different battery chemistries with improving densities.

    This is still a huge improvement over 2016 or 2017 (which were essentially the same except the S dropping the really old 22 Kw battery in 2017).

    Nothing on > 50kW charging capability, but that may come with the new battery (if at all in the near future). Nissan is largely behind the new 150 kW chademo spec but they need to make a car that can charge at over 50 kW to go with the newer chargers. All Teslas charge at a bit under the 150 kW rate and the charger network is extensive. Without active cooling a much higher charge rate may not be possible, but we’ll see.

    Nissan execs now “get it” on the range issue, unlike in pre-2015. Now they need to get clued in on the charge rate and need for a charger network to support it. A Tesla doesn’t have you charging 30 minutes for each 90-100 minutes of driving when your trip exceeds the car’s range but a Leaf or Bolt does.

    The google auto and apple carplay will help. Too bad its not on the S. The current nav is somewhat lacking and integrated pandora or spotify will be nice.

    Just my impression.

    One of my cars is a 2016 Leaf and I like it a lot. The 2018 Leaf is a big improvement. I also have a 2007 Prius that my son drives and might have traded that in for a 2018 Leaf if not for the limited range. No news on faster charging would have been a disappointment but maybe not halted this purchase.

    A very nice car but I’ll wait to see what 2019 has to offer. So far we know 2019 will bring a 60 kWh battery with 200++ miles of range is expected, maybe 215-220 miles. If the DC charging isn’t capable of taking advantage of a lot more than 50 KW and there is some news on US northeast deployment of 150 kW chademo then I may just go the extra dollars and get a model 3 (just under 150 kW charge rate), assuming the model 3 wait list has emptied by 2019.

  19. NAJEEB says:

    Unlike most people I really did not hate the look of the old leaf. but i must say this one looks way more beautiful. with 150+ range i think it will compel a lot of buyers to consider it. exciting times

  20. Andrey R says:

    I got to say the presentation was top notch (that projection mapping!), along with very well produced marketing videos at the end – it is clear that this car is a big deal for Nissan and they have high hopes (and investments) for it.

    I think they got the right idea – this is a city commuter car and is priced appropriately. With 150-mile range I can easily see taking occasional out of town trips around Tristate area in this car: a couple of hours driving followed by a 30-minute break for charge/snack/bathroom – that is pretty close to my normal out-of-town driving pattern.

    Think about this: factoring in the $7500 federal incentive in the US the new Leaf will be starting at roughly $22500 for 150 miles vs. Bolt at $30000 for 238 miles – that is a huge price difference and I don’t think the longer range makes up for it. $30k is simply too much money for a compact city commuter of a budget brand like Chevy or Nissan, it is not price-competitive with ICE competition and you still likely won’t make it from NY to Boston without stopping to charge if you’re in a hurry. The price difference between the new Leaf and the Bolt becomes even more stark if you add state/local incentives. In this scenario Leaf 2.0 is pretty much at price parity (or cheaper) with comparable ICE competition, while the Bolt is still priced into the upper-spec full-size sedan territory.

    Tesla Model 3 is in a different market segment – premium sports sedan in direct competition with BMW 3, and priced very competitively for that class.

    Overall great effort from Nissan, I believe with this car they will remain the mass-market EV leader.

    1. M3 - reserved -- Niro/Leaf 2.0 - TBD says:

      Agree that Nissan’s not aiming to compete against the Model 3. They want to grab the local hauler market and they have our attention with the 150mi and improved specs with good cargo space and a host of safety and convenience factors for commute traffic.

      $22500 and available in December. If that includes the basics and ProPilot Assist — that’s going to be pretty hard to beat.

      If lease stays <$200 or close to the $0.25/mile mark —it'll be a force to reckon.

      1. Will says:

        Nissan dealers have to have a $199 3yr/12k miles for leased and they will fly out of deares like it’s black Friday. I’m looking for 3 yr/18k lease at around 250-260 that way i can rollover my negative on my volt.

        1. Will says:

          Test drive the Bolt. I love the car, fast and good size for me. Tried to leased the LT but it was 39999 msrp and no incentive. Tried to go negative equaitiy for 3yrs/18k py $747 no thanks

      2. bro1999 says:

        I think Nissan never intended for the new Leaf to go head to head with the Model 3. Instead, it would be the lower-cost, practical option for people that didn’t want a flashy Tesla badge but wanted an EV with 150+ miles of range.

        Only problem is GM then came out with the Bolt. Suddenly, the lower cost (average transaction cost), practical option card was gone. So Nissan had no card left to play other than the economy card.

        1. Will says:

          Nissan is playing the practicality and afforablity which both the 3 and bolt are not doing. 3 is playing sexy cheap luxury and Bolt is playing range and and don’t know that’s all bolt is playing.

    2. Lil Sparky says:

      In a tesla model 3 or a bolt you could make it from NY to Boston (217 miles according to google maps) without charging if you start with a full charge. One charge of 30 minutes with the Leaf would be more than enough.

      OTOH – Boston to DC would be another story. That is 439 miles (estimated 7.5 hourse) again according to google maps. You’d need to spend another roughly 2-2.5 hours charging your Leaf or Bolt. With less range you’d have more diversions from your route to get to a charging station that isn’t right along the highway (most of them) so a bit more with the Leaf. With Tesla, the charging stations are along the highway and you’d need maybe 30-40 minutes of charge time.

      Adding 1/2 hour to a 7.5 hour drive is not a big deal. Adding 2-3 hours to a 7.5 hour drive is a big deal.

      For that reason Tesla is closer to mainstream than Leaf or Bolt, though still priced a bit high. Model 3 starts at $35k, lower than Bolt. The nearly 400,000 model 3 wait list exceeds all Leaf sold worldwide to date (about 300,000) and at 20,000 per month by December (if targets are met) would be in the range of Leaf’s annual sales with each month of sales. That would be just delivering the cars to fill the current back orders. The question remains how strong model 3 sales will be after the order backlog is cleared.

      IMHO – to be truly mainstream an EV needs to eliminate any major objections relative to ICE and offer considerably better total cost of ownership and comparable or better initial purchase price. To eliminate objections three things are needed: 1) reasonable range (seems to be 200 miles or more in US, maybe 150 is OK in Europe, probable way less is OK in Japan and China), and 2) charging a 150 kW or better so charging wait time is not too much more than a gas pump, and 3) a charging network that makes that fast charging a reality, 300 miles of range would be even better (model 3 has that but at $42k price). 350 kW charging rate would be great but no one has that. Tesla has the objections covered but hasn’t hit the price point needed to challenge ICE (so far other than taking sales from luxury brands with the S and X).

      1. terminaltrip421 says:

        from reading this you either appear to believe that the model 3 has more range and a lower starting price or a clear bias.

        1. Lil Sparky says:

          I’m not sure why you wrote this. Tesla model 3 EPA range is just under the NY-Boston distance but people do exceed the EPA distance often. Model 3 starts at $35k with 215 mile range. The larger battery gets over 300 mile range but at $44k. I misstated that as $42k. As to the time spent charging Boston-DC, you should review the math and tell me where you think I got it wrong.

          As to bias, I think that tesla model 3, though more costly by about $5k from base Leaf and less than MSRP for SL, is a more practical car due to the faster charging. The charge rate being nearly 3 times faster is not bias, it is fact. That I think it is important is an informed opinion.

      2. Spider-Dan says:

        How do you figure that the $35k M3 – which has less range than the Bolt – somehow has 1/5th of the charge time to travel 440 miles?

        For comparison’s sake, a Model S 60 can supercharge ~110 miles in 30 minutes.
        A Bolt can CCS charge ~90 miles in ~30 minutes. So how do you have a Bolt needing “2.5 hours” to charge an extra ~200 miles, yet a Model 3 taking “30 minutes” to charge an extra ~220 miles?

        That’s not even close to an accurate comparison.

        1. Will says:

          He seems bias. 150 miles seems perfect for me. If I want to driver longer distance I can use my BF Explorer Sport. For my work of round trip of 52 miles Round trip the leaf will do. I can charge it every 2 days of the week and have full charge with 120 v overnight charge

        2. Jelloslug says:

          The Model S 60 (which is no longer available) can get 100 miles of charge in 18 minutes. I know this because I did this many times in my Model S.

          1. Spider-Dan says:

            There is obviously lots of different personal testimony. I am using this spreadsheet:

            https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19khEGozqREIoAN6hd440o4qrzS2ADMVokv8G5FWmWSk/edit#gid=488708073

            According to that calculator, to go from 1 mile of range to 101 miles of range (an unrealistically best-case scenario) would take 24m18s in an S60.

        3. SparkEV says:

          Bolt’s 90 miles in 30 min is only to 50%. Beyond that, it’s 70 miles in 30 min to 70% (it won’t take 30 min), followed by 50 miles in 30 min until about 90%. For long distance travel, you wouldn’t stop at 50%, which means Bolt’s effective could be much less than 90.

          Tesla starts far higher initially, but has linear taper, about 45 kW at 80%. That means average power for high % (ie, long distance travel) is much higher than Bolt.

          1. Spider-Dan says:

            It’s not five times higher.

          2. ziv says:

            I wonder about the Bolt taper points going forward. As GM gets more real world data and their test fleet ages, they may get a bit more confident that the taper points can be relaxed a bit. Moving the first taper point out to 60% from 53% would make a small but noticeable difference.
            And getting the max charge rate to a real world 75 kW for that first half hour or so would be huge. But that pre-supposes that you can find a CCS charger that is capable of 75 kW charge rates. I thought that would be easier to do by now.

          3. Lil Sparky says:

            Tesla currently claims 170 miles in 30 minutes. That reflects some slow down but only to an average of 95 kW over the entire charge session.

            I just reread the article at
            http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1105234_tesla-boosts-supercharger-electric-car-charging-rate-to-145-kw and see that in practice rate is still limited to 120 kW. Under the chart that shows a linear decline is the caption “I am only hearing about this change with 90D battery packs so far. A buddy of mine in Connecticut with a P90D sent me his data and he is now charging at about the same rate I am.” Prior to that is “I supercharged my car this weekend and compared the rate of charge to the last time I tracked the charging power vs. state of charge. It was charging 70 percent faster at the start and 50 percent faster at the end of [a] relatively short Supercharger stop this weekend.” It seems that this chart is a disservice to the article since it is the charge rate of one owner who is now seeing a higher charge rate. This new user experienced charge rate is not indicated anywhere in the article. The chart only to serves to show that it was slower. The article states that it is now faster but fails to provide a new graph. Also if charge rate slowdown is related to battery heating faster than TMS can cool it, then the ambient temperature may be a factor.

            1. Spider-Dan says:

              I believe Tesla claims 130mi in 30min for the $35k M3.

        4. Lil Sparky says:

          Tesla S60 is no longer made. Still 100 miles in 18 minutes is twice the charge speed Nissan claims for 2018 Leaf (88 miles in 30 minutes). The older model S are limited to about 115 kW charge rate (I think). Supercharger itself is limited to about 145 kW according to Tesla. Tesla claims 125 kW of charge rate for the newer car on the conservative assumption that the battery might arrive a bit hot after driving a few hours and have to charge at a lower rate than maximum.

          I have driven from MA to CT which is most of the Boston to NY route in a 2016 Leaf SV more than once. Many of the chademo charge stations are a ways off the highway (I-95) and just pulling in and out (without charge time) wastes 10-15 minutes (more at some chargers). The superchargers are just off the highways so you gain in that way. I have also looked into doing the drive from MA to MD which is 80-90% overlap with the Boston-DC route. The charger location situation is that same south of NY – not convenient for chademo chargers mostly at Nissan dealers, shopping malls, and dunkin donuts.

          The combination of 2.5 times the charging rate (125-145 kW vs 50 kW at best) and having to go a greater distance off the highway was the basis of the estimate. If anyone else wants to do that math I’d be interested in their estimate.

          I’ve driven on not quite one of these two trips and did some planning for the other so I have a good idea how much time would be wasted at charging stations with Leaf’s 50 kW charging rate. And yes I know that my Nissan is limited to 40 kW in practice since at most the battery is 400V and most chargers dole out 100A max (or the car is limited to that – I’m not sure which).

          Do the math. 60 kW gets you about 215 mile and 40 kW gets 150 miles. Both are about 3.6-3.7 miles/kWh (Leaf doing slightly better). Tesla needs 122.523 kW to go 439 miles. Leaf needs 117.066 kW. If Telsa arrive with half a charge (30 kW), then Tesla needs roughly 90 kW of charging along the way and if Leaf arrives with half a charge (20 kW) is needs roughly 100 kW charging. That’s two hours of pure charging, no allowance for detour off the highway and three charge stops. Telsa needs 90 kW so that’s conservatively 45 minutes (not 30 minutes so OK). The Nissan estimate of 2-3 hours is probably about right as I’ve found that adding up to 50% for detour is not unreasonable due to chademo charge station locations and 2 hours is neglecting the off-ramp delay entirely.

          So 45 minutes vs 2-3 hours of charge delay is not unreasonable thing to say. Sorry 30 minutes was a mistake – unless you are willing to arrive with just about zero charge left.

          A good way to estimate off-ramp delay is to pick your charging stations and put the charge stations into google maps as waypoints. Note the time estimate, then delete the waypoints from the route and subtract that time. Then add the time it takes to actually get a charge given the distance between charging stations. Keep in mind that the 30 minute charge session timers exist and you’ll have to be at the charger to reset and get a second session for more than an 88 mile charge on the Leaf. That will give you an estimate of the minimum time added to the trip due to charging.

          1. Lil Sparky says:

            Looks like I am being a bit too optimistic on Tesla charging. Cars are limited to 120 kW at present and slow down as charging proceeds. Not sure if that is related to time on the charger and heat or related to charge state. I suspect more of the former. Still, 90-100 kW average charge rate seems reasonable if charging at no more than 20 minutes in a session. This may be like my 2016 Leaf SV (30kWh) where planning to drive 80 miles or less between charge stations may get you there faster due to less risk of slowing the charge rate (due to heat and going over 85% charge state) even if it means more stops.

  21. P says:

    Did anyone see a tow-bar option?

  22. Miggy says:

    Metric Specs

    Exterior (mm)

    Overall length: 4,480

    Overall width: 1,790

    Overall height: 1,540

    Wheelbase: 2,700

    Track width, front/rear: 1,540/1,555

    Minimum ground clearance: 150

    Coefficient of drag (Cd): 0.28

    Tyres: 205/55R16 or 215/50R17

    Storage: 435 litres, rear seats up (VDA)

    Weight/capacity (kg)

    Kerb weight: 1,490-1,520

    Capacity: 5 passenger

    Gross vehicle weight: 1765-1795

    Battery Type: Li-ion battery

    Capacity: 40kWh

    Electric motor Name: EM57

    Maximum output: 110kw (150ps)/3283~9795rpm

    Maximum torque: 320Nm (32.6kgf・m)/0~3283rpm

    1. wavelet says:

      Thanks for that (-:
      Particularly, converting the US-measurement cargo space (23.6cu. ft.) directly to litres yielded me 668 litres, which sounded far too high for a compact car…

      I suspect the US practice is measuring volume up to the ceiling, and not up to the cargo cover, as per VDA Euro spec.

      435 is OKish for a compact, though not enough for me (I really want MPV-class cargo volume, 500-600 litres)

  23. unlucky says:

    From seeing the interior (like the trunk area) it is absolutely clear this is not an all new LEAF. This is a LEAF 1.5.

    And 60kW later, but not day is just a ridiculous fudge.

    That said, with the proper discounts and wth worldwide availability (unlike the Bolt EV) this car will certainly sell quite a bit. And so it’ll be a big part of the EV revolution.

    But still, it’s hard to describe this as a boring, unadventurous update to the LEAF line. Nissan has ceded any concept of the lead in EVs (to Tesla primarily) and instead is simply one of the affordable, available choices to potential EV buyers.

    The position of second leader (after Tesla) in electrification will go to the first company that announces a *second* full-market EV, showing that they realize that EVs aren’t a niche but instead an increasingly common option that cannot be served by a single body style of EV any more than it could be a single body style of ICE car. And yes, I know about the Nissan e-NV200. It doesn’t count.

    1. Tom says:

      1. Do you consider Renault to count when considered with the Nissan?
      2. Do you consider Kia/Hyundai’s twin offering of Niro EV and Ioniq EV to qualify?

      I would consider both to be there.

      1. unlucky says:

        No, I don’t consider Renault. Because they aren’t trying to offer EVs to fit the broader market but instead offering the same EV in slightly different configurations, prices and nameplates.

        The Ioniq EV isn’t really real, the Niro EV is presumably even less so. They only offered (and thus sold) 66 Ioniq EVs in the US last month. They offered zero Niro EVs.

        Offering 66 EVs total for sale in a month is not realizing that EVs aren’t a type of car but a class of car nor trying to satisfy the broader market for EVs.

    2. Spider-Dan says:

      GM has been selling the Volt and ELR for many years, and is now selling the Bolt across the country.

      You have to have a pretty narrowly defined set of criteria to arrive at the conclusion that the top selling EV in America (Volt) and the top selling EV in the (non-China) world (Leaf) somehow both don’t count, but Tesla’s ultra-luxury offerings do.

      1. Will says:

        Wearing the tesla lens today

      2. unlucky says:

        It’s not an EV if it has a tailpipe. The Volt is a PHEV/EREV. So no, it doesn’t count.

        The LEAF does count. Thus Nissan has one car, not two. I said the key is when a company offers two. Tesla already offers 3 cars which aim at distinct markets and are all EVs.

        No one else even offers two. Once someone else offers two (presumably the other being a CUV) EVs is large numbers they will have signaled that like Tesla they are putting EVs into the broad market.

        If you are just putting out an EV, even a good one and telling customers that they need to adapt their needs to what this car offers then you clearly aren’t going to sell to customers who instead would rather have a car that fits their needs.

        You can see this with the Bolt. It’s a good EV. Well executed, efficient due to its small size. But what if customers don’t want a car so small? They have two choices: not get an EV, or get the small car anyway.

        We need to see companies (other than Tesla) move on from the “sell an EV to fill the EV niche” stage to the “sell EVs to people who just want cars” stage. And this vehicle doesn’t signal Nissan has done that. No other company besides Tesla has signaled they have done that.

        1. Spider-Dan says:

          Why is the metric two and not, say, four? Seems like your metric is specifically engineered so that Tesla meets it and no one else does.

          I mean, I can do the same thing and say that “unless you have sold more than 100k of an EV in the U.S., you aren’t an EV leader,” or “unless you are selling an EV for under $40k to the public in all 50 states, you aren’t an EV leader,” or “unless you have made an EV good enough to move 250k units globally, you aren’t an EV leader.”

          You’re basically just starting at the desired outcome and then creating criteria that defines Tesla as the only candidate that meets it.

  24. Michael says:

    For a brief freaky moment I thought there was a new LEAF parked outside my house. A quick double-take later and I realized that it was a Murano. The styling was almost identical. Will people consider the new LEAF to be the smaller CUV version of the Murano? It is directly comparable to the CX-3, HR-V and RVR in passenger leg/head room, cargo space and ride height. I didn’t care about losing AWD, off-road or towing capacity. Because the LEAF could out perform them. Moreso with this iteration.

  25. terminaltrip421 says:

    the pro-anyone-other-than-GM bias from commenters here is incredible.

    1. William says:

      Better get used to it, at least around here that is, if you can deal with GMs shady side of the EV street. GM does weave a tangled and sticky EV web for Tesla, and should be admonished accordingly. GM has a well documented EV track record, and their Bolt offering, will not just smooth over all past and current EV transgressions , so to speak. Some people DO actually pay attention to what Tesla is trying to accomplish, and yes GM is looking to help Tesla stifle their business model.

      1. Jelloslug says:

        I don’t think many people here think that GMs EVs are not good vehicles. What people have a problem with is GMs lack of really pushing EV cars in general. To GM, EVs seem like a necessary evil.

        1. Phr00t says:

          GM isn’t pushing the Bolt because it isn’t making them money. It is a great vehicle & hopefully it can continue to sell itself.

    2. MotoEV says:

      GM and every other manufacturer need to know that consumers are not as dumb as they think and hold long memories.

      Maybe GM will think twice in future.

    3. bro1999 says:

      Yep. The “new” Leaf comes standard with a 3.3 kW onboard L2 charger and optional DCFC. But the people that blasted GM for not including DCFC standard in the Bolt will now praise Nissan for giving customers “options” on whether they want beefier charging or not.

      1. Quebec 100% EV says:

        bro1999 – It does not come with a 3kw onboard charger, it’s the same 6.6kw onboard charger as in the current Leaf. That was just Nissan informing us of how many hours it would take to charge on a lower-power L2 charger which is very rare to find these days and which you would not want to install in your garage (basically a very stupid mention by Nissan, marketing-Wise, as it confuses potential customers).

        1. bro1999 says:

          Ok, well assuming that’s true, thanks for pointing that out. And I agree it’s stupid they would quote 3 kW charge times if the Leaf does now come standard with a 6.6 kW onboard charger.

          1. Jay Cole says:

            Not sure why they Nissan did that, perhaps in relation to global stats/charging protocols? IDK – not such a great idea. Causes more confusion that it was worth for sure. It’s the same 6.6 kW L2 however.

        2. unlucky says:

          The current LEAF comes standard with a 3.3kW onboard charger. You have to select a SV, SL or the optional fast charge package to get to 6.6kW.

          So which is the standard charger? Is it the same charger as the current LEAF or is it a 6.6kW charger?

          It’d be great to see the base bumped up to 6.6kW on the LEAF. Especially with the battery now being almost twice the capacity as when the LEAF debuted.

    4. WadeTyhon says:

      I would think that very few of the people who are oh so angry about GM actually own EVs. They’re just looking for something to grandstand about.

      So they watch Who Killed The Electric Car, read TMC and Electrek and think they’re experts. At most they have a Model 3 reservation and Tesla stock. 😉

      There are only a few companies who have really provided good Plug-in options. GM is one of them. And more are on the way.

      There are things to criticize GM about, but saying this disqualifies the Bolt or Volt from being purchased is backwards if the ultimate goal is to increase EV adoption. For instance: despite my distaste for Toyota and it’s policies… if the Prime is the right car for someone, I will recommend it to them. I want them to start driving on battery power!

      1. CCIE says:

        Everyone seems to forget that Toyota also crushed their leased EVs when the 90s EV mandate ended. They also refuse to support their EVs at out-of-state dealers.

        But, of course, everything is GM’s fault. It’s not like they’re the only one actually shipping an affordable long-range EV…oh wait!

        1. SparkEV says:

          The problem with GM is that their engineers do wonderful things while the bean counters crush them. Just look at the superior EV offerings, yet they sell less than “almost toy” Nissan Leaf.

          This is why conspiracy is rampant, but I think it’s just idiot-zombie-moron management, nothing nefarious except for Bolt’s inexplicable “step down” in DCFC.

    5. Will says:

      I love GM but they are killing themselves marketing thier EVs (which is none) and cutting production when they are trying to expand nationwide. Not exporting the ones on the Lots to different dealers and not exporting the ones at the factory to Europe or the UK. Price point for style and options are why off and no effort for electrification on their other brands or vehicles the have. Voltec on Encore or Trac will sell. Voltec on the new transverse will be a seller

  26. Talon says:

    Please tell me the eco trees have gone! 🙂

    1. Sophia says:

      hahaha I bet trees are still available 🙂

    2. unlucky says:

      I think the Ford Focus Electric has them. It grows a little sprout if you drive nicely, IIRC.

  27. Stx says:

    Then, if you want to keep it for 10 years, the real price of the new Leaf is 29900$ + 199$/month * 12months * 10years = 53780$
    Or am I missing something?

    1. Jelloslug says:

      Yes, you are missing something.

    2. Mikey says:

      So you’re going to buy it outright and also lease it? Cool.

    3. Mark.ca says:

      What you are missing is basic understanding of how car buying works.

  28. Erik van der Neut says:

    – Not enough range
    – No battery TMS
    – No faster charging

    If the 60kWh doesn’t fix these issues i’ll also skip it.

    1. Lil Sparky says:

      I’d leave out TMS as a requirement. If Nissan can get a high charge rate with battery chemistry, cooling fins, and fans, then fine. It just might not be possible to get the fast charging without TMS.

  29. Bill Howland says:

    Nissan fans will applaud this car (my friend Brian is going out of State to get a personal look and test drive) – but to me, its just not quite enough.

    On the plus side, it is reasonably priced.

    On the minus side – I have no idea what a 25% improvement in cooling the battery means. Previous ‘improvements’ don’t seem to have lessened owners’ grief with the battery life.

    For those who care about battery range (a BIG issue with me personally), Nissan won’t have anything even near the BOLT for a year and a half, – a very long time in the EV world.

    I don’t believe Battery technology has advanced to the point where you can forget about cooling or heating.

    Nissan engineers made fun of cars like the VOLT nearly 8 years ago now for having such an expensive temperature control system. But who had the last laugh?

    Many people will like this new Nissan – but I definitely would not want it for a first car – maybe a distant third.

    By the way, what exactly IS the battery warranty? I was curious about that when the original Leaf came out, and by my read, Nissan promised to do absolutely nothing for you – unless you mean former VP Andy Palmer’s suggestion to make “the gas gauge read always full”.

    1. bro1999 says:

      I take the “25% improvement in cooling” statement as “We once again cheaped out on including active liquid TMS”.

      The old Leaf had passive air cooling…basically just vents. So maybe they stuck in a couple of exhaust fans to justify the “25% improvement” claim.

      1. bro1999 says:

        As an additional note, I leased a Ford C-Max Energi for 2 years…it had active air cooling where the Energi sucked in air from the cabin cooled by the AC into the battery compartment.
        Despite days where I would have the A/C cranking, when temps hit the 90’s and I drove on the highway for more than a few minutes, the HV battery would routinely climb up to 113F (despite active cooling) and the Energi would actually turn the ICE on until the HVB temp lowered.

        I can only imagine how hot the batteries got in Energis in really hot climates like Arizona.

        1. georgeS says:

          I’m with Bill H and Bro on this one.

          This new Nissan is too little too late. Looks like the same old crappy battery upped to 40 kwh.

          …..and we have to wait another year to get a 60 kwh version….and we know nothing about it. Geesh I thought Nissan would at least give us some tech details on the 60 kwh battery. Like WHO MAKES IT and IS IT LIQUID COOLED?

          Tesla and GM make the best offerings. Nissan was fast out of the gate and then gave up.

          1. Bill Howland says:

            Another backwardation apparently is the ‘120/240 charging cord’ on the highest trim level.

            So maybe a 16 ampere/12 ampere 220/110 thingy like a turbo cord or somethingl

            But if you order the 2 lower trims, you don’t get ANYTHING AT ALL since they never even mention an ‘occasional charging cord’ at all.

            You’ll have to pick up a 110 volt cord for $350 on EBAY, if you don’t have a wallbox already.

      2. ffbj says:

        I think they just made the vents 25% bigger, deeper.

    2. unlucky says:

      25% improvement in cooling means the pack is 33% larger now so it has 25% more surface area for the cooling air to blow over.

      They’ve increased the power density in the pack by 33% and increased the cooling by 25%. They’re falling behind.

  30. Djoni says:

    Must have:

    Enabling retrofit of more potent battery to come?

    Towing capacity?

    Degradation battery warranty?

    Improved heating of the cabin?

    Would like:

    AWD model projected?

    1. Quebec 100% EV says:

      Djoni – I would add “liquid-cooled battery pack” to your must-have list. I’ve heard anecdotally that it will have 25% better air cooling, but I’m starting to think what that might mean is that they’ve simply added a fan (the current Leaf just has vents) to “air cool” the battery with no a/c, just ambient air forced on top of the battery pack or underneath it. If that suspicion is correct, then it’s a MAJOR fail. They could have at least done like the Kia Soul EV and used cold air from the a/c to cool the battery; cheap and effective, especially since you normally have the a/c on anyways on really hot days, so just piping a portion of it to the battery pack seems like a no brainer. Somebody at Nissan should be fired over this.

      1. terminaltrip421 says:

        I live in the coachella valley california (famous for the coachella music festival, palm springs) and air “cooling” when the temperature outside is 120 degrees seems counter-productive.

  31. Someone out there says:

    “World’s best selling EV”
    Yeah, because they are practically giving them away with $10k discounts. That is why I think this one will be a tougher sell.

  32. Someone out there says:

    It does look nice although the 40 kWh pack is disappointing. It’s still $7k less than the cheapest (non-black) model 3 and it’s likely far more practical so it’s not out of the game.

    1. Someone out there says:

      Oh yes, it will also likely have far better build quality than the model 3. No replacing the drive train after 6 months.

      1. ffbj says:

        So get a Leaf, and leaf us alone.

        1. Get Real says:

          But then he might not be as able to endlessly whine here as some troll out there!

  33. Altona says:

    Will we see a mini-van soon their alliance partner is selling the new Kangoo 175 mi range
    https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/05/renault-kangoo-van-z-e-33-50-range-sale-now-uk/

    1. terminaltrip421 says:

      it says in the article you linked to 124 miles of real world range.

  34. Terawatt says:

    > Now just 8 years later, and after some 7 years of retail sales, the next generation has arrived.

    Well, I guess we can humour them for a while, now that they’ve finally updated it. But really the second generation isn’t coming until 2020. This is a facelift – but a substantial one.

    Keeping the price fixed and adding 40% range, significant power and torque, more equipment, and updating the exterior, interior and probably infotainment system is par for the course with EVs. 🙂

    Not so good for the second hand value of my 2012 SL tho… but I can’t have it both ways, and I would much rather EVs get better and cheaper than not, even if mine then becomes worthless.

    I may be tempted to go for a test drive when it comes to Norway, but I doubt it will tempt me enough to convince me to cancel my Model 3 reservation. If the 60 kWh had arrived now and cost less than the Tesla I would have had some serious thinking to do…

  35. MJC says:

    I am sorry but Nissan really screwed up on the exterior and performance and range is atrocious. This is just as ugly as the old Leaf, which looked like a toad on wheels. Why didn’t they just make this look like the Infinity Q30? I was holding out till the specs were released and now I know I am getting a Model 3. Good job Nissan on shooting yourself in the foot.

  36. David says:

    2015 Leaf lessee here. Really diggin’ this 2018 car. The looks are good (except from the front IMHO) and growing on me, but what really gets me excited is the awesome range and better acceleration to 60–at the same MSRP!!

    Also the ability to drive one pedal is something I very much look forward to. Regen is very important to me!

    150 Miles EPA for me probably means 180, since I drive more conservatively and with less A/C and heat need compared to most Americans. Either way its well more than enough for our 2nd car.

    The huge improvements made to the mass market BEV (read Nissan Leaf–at least for the USA) over 7 years time is very exciting!

    Because it is cheaper and with meaningfully more cargo room, I am more likely to get into the new Leaf than the Bolt–or Model 3, for that matter. (I love those cars to, don’t get me wrong.

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