2016 Nissan LEAF: 107 Miles EPA Range – Full Specs/Pricing

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2016 Nissan LEAF Sees All-Electric Range Improve To 107 Miles

2016 Nissan LEAF Sees All-Electric Range Improve To 107 Miles

Nissan has taken the wraps off the 2016 Nissan LEAF, and the company did not disappoint on earlier range expectations as both the SV and SL trims now come equipped with a 30 kWh battery, giving the LEAF 107 miles (172 km) of EPA rated range, as well as a new 8 year/100,000 mile battery warranty.

2016 Nissan LEAF - Now With 107 Miles Of Range!

2016 Nissan LEAF – Now With 107 Miles Of Range!

The base S trim level still comes with 2015 model year’s 24 kWh battery, good for 84 miles of range.

As for pricing, the base Nissan LEAF remains unchanged at $29,010 (+$850 delivery), while the extra 23 miles found in the SV and SL trims see the prices increase anywhere from $1,600 (SL) to $2,100.

After the federal government’s incentive is factored in, a 107 mile LEAF will set you back at least $26,700 before any dealer or state-level incentives are applied:

* – Nissan LEAF S – $29,010 ($29,010)
* – Nissan LEAF SV – $34,200 ($32,100) – now includes standard quick charging
* – Nissan LEAF SL – $36,790 ($35,170)

 (full spec sheet on the 2016 Nissan LEAF can be found below, all prices +$850 delivery)

A larger battery also means a greater sweet spot for fast charging, hence all the new 30 kWh LEAFs can now be quick-charged to 80% (from the low battery warning) in about 30 minutes, which nets about 22% more miles of range over that of the base S trim.

Ok, We Admit The 250 Kilometer Range (NEDC) Rating In Europe Certainly Looks Cooler

Ok, We Admit The 250 Kilometer Range (NEDC) Rating In Europe Certainly Looks Cooler

Level 2 charging stays at 6.6 kW and a full charge will set SV and SL LEAFs back about 6 hours, as opposed to 5 hours with the 24 kWh battery.

Internationally: If you happen to reside in Europe, the 2016 Nissan LEAF gets a new 155 mile/250 km rating based on the NEDC system.

Pricing on the longer range Acenta and Tekna trim grades has yet to be announced across all of Europe, but in the UK, the 30 kWh LEAF Acenta starts from £24,490 (OTR with PiCG), and from £26,490 on the 30 kWh Tekna trim level.

2016 Nissan LEAF SV/SL Interior (w/black leather)

2016 Nissan LEAF SV/SL Interior (w/black leather)

2016 Nissan LEAF Interior (beige/cloth)

2016 Nissan LEAF Interior (beige/cloth)

Additionally, the base LEAF (S trim) now comes with a standard 5″ screen (as opposed to the “no screen” console found in the 2015 model), with the 7″ screen in the SV and SL trims continuing in the new 2016 edition.

Nissan says the infotainment and connectivity features have been enhanced and improved for the 2016 model under the standard “Nissan Connect” banner.

A new graphic interface is now found inside the 2016 LEAF, as well as charging screen data that is updated every time the car is put into use.

The Nissan Connect EV telematics systems allows for all the remote connection functions to the vehicle one would expect, but also touts improved voice recognition, and an improved mobile app.

2016 Nissan LEAF New Heads-Up Display Menu

2016 Nissan LEAF New Heads-Up Display Menu

“Audio, entertainment and connectivity upgrades start with the addition of standard NissanConnect with Mobile Apps with 5.0-inch color display for LEAF S models. The system includes Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System, Streaming audio via Bluetooth®, Hands-free Text Messaging Assistant and USB connection port for iPod® interface and other compatible devices.

2016 LEAF SV and SL grades add standard NissanConnect with Navigation and Mobile Apps–featuring a 7.0-inch color display with multi-touch control, Nissan Voice Recognition for navigation and audio, HD radio, and SiriusXM Travel LinkTM for weather, fuel prices, movie listings, stock info and sports (SiriusXM subscription required, sold separately). The menu screen graphics and customization process have been improved and charging screen information is now automatically updated every time the ignition is turned on and with every 12 miles of driving.”

2016 Nissan LEAF In New Bluw

2016 Nissan LEAF

2016 Nissan LEAF New 30 kWh Battery Module

2016 Nissan LEAF New 30 kWh Battery Module

On the 30 kWh battery itself:

“The new battery offers more advantages than just the 27 percent increase in driving range – it also offers improved battery performance,” said Andrew Speaker, director, Nissan EV Sales & Marketing

The 30 kWh battery resides in the same battery space under the LEAF as the existing 24 kWh pack, and weighs just 46 pounds (21 kg)more.

“Improved electrode material with revised chemistry results in higher power density and enhanced battery durability upon charge and discharge.”

Basically, the introduction of Carbon, Nitrogen and Magnesium to the electrodes improves performance of the cells, while Nissan adds the “change to the cell layout also contributes to the gain“, although we aren’t quite sure how.

As evidence of a growing confidence in the 30 kWh battery’s cell chemistry (and the fact it will now take less battery cycles to go further), Nissan warrants battery loss below 9 bars of capacity (70%), for the first 8 years or 100,000 miles (160,000 km) in the US and in Europe.  The warranty on the S trim stays consistent with that of the 2015 LEAF, at 5 years or 60,000 miles.

As for the actual pack structure, the original 24 kWh battery is made up of 48 modules composed of 4 cells each, for a total of 192 cells. The new 30 kWh battery has double the cells per module (8), but still 192 cells in total.  Nissan once again points to automotive-specific battery formats as a superior commodity.

“Unlike conventional cylindrical batteries, the thin, compact laminated cells offer more flexibility in packaging and design applications.”

New 2016 Nissan LEAF In Forged Bronze Spotted By JP White (via JPWhiteNissanLEAF)

New 2016 Nissan LEAF In Forged Bronze Spotted Earlier This Month (via JPWhiteNissanLEAF)

New 2016 Nissan LEAF Color Palette

New 2016 Nissan LEAF Color Palette

New Colors:

As expected, three colors have been added to the 2016 LEAF lineup, while two have left the building.

* – New Colors: Forged Bronze, Coulis Red and Deep Blue Pearl
* – Deleted Colors: Cayenne Red and Morningsky Blue

Efficiency and Performance:

The entry level LEAF S retains the same 84 miles of range as last year’s model, as well as the 126 MPGe city/108 MPGe highway efficiency rating, which is good for a combined 114 MPGe.   

The LEAF SV/SL with 107 miles of range has a slightly lower city rating than the base model – registering 124 MPGe, and an identical 108 MPGe highway score, which lowers the combined rating slightly to 112 MPGe.

All three trim levels feature the same 107 horsepower and 187 lb-ft of torque output as in the previous model year, while the S trim level has an optional “Charge Package” that upgrades the base model to the same 6.6 kW charging (from 3.6 kW) as well as adding the CHAdeMO fast charging port that comes standard in the SV and SL trims.

2016 Nissan LEAF Now Gains 22% More Miles During A 30 Minute Quick-Charging Session

2016 Nissan LEAF Now Gains 22% More Miles During A 30 Minute Quick-Charging Session

Production and Release date:

The New 2016 Nissan LEAF Takes A Spin In Europe (in Gun Metallic Color)

The New 2016 Nissan LEAF Takes A Spin In Europe (in Gun Metallic Color)

We also took advantage of a chat with Nissan earlier this week to pepper them about when the 2016 Nissan LEAF would be available, but all they would commit to was that the “2016 LEAF will go on sale later this fall“. 

So somewhere between September 23nd and December 31st then Nissan?

Our own sources indicate that 2016 Nissan LEAF production actually began in earnest in August in Smryna, TN, although mid-October seems to be when the ‘sales ball‘ might get rolling for the 2016 LEAF.

For Europe, the new, longer range Nissan LEAF will still be produced at the company’s Sunderlank, UK facility, but sales begin a little later – in January 2016.

New 2016 Nissan LEAF Batteries (both chemistries) Are Made Next Door To Manufacturing Facility In Smyrna, TN

New 2016 Nissan LEAF Batteries (both chemistries) Are Made Next Door To Manufacturing Facility In Smyrna, TN

Nissan LEAF SV and SL Trim Level Also Adds:

2016 Nissan LEAF Standard 17" Tires (SV/SL)

2016 Nissan LEAF Standard 17″ Tires (SV/SL)

* – 2016 Nissan LEAF SV:

  • Quick Charge Port
  • 6.6 kW onboard charger
  • NissanConnect with Navigation and Mobile Apps
  • NissanConnect EV
  • 7.0-inch color display with multi-touch control
  • six-speaker audio system
  • hybrid heater system that provides superior cold weather performance while consuming less energy
  • heated outside mirrors and steering wheel
  • 17-inch aluminum-alloy wheels.

* – 2016 Nissan LEAF SL:

  • photovoltaic solar panel spoiler
  • fog lights
  • LED low beam auto on/off headlights
  • cargo cover
  • HomeLink® Universal Transceiver
  • leather-appointed seats
  • heated rear seats

Just two option packages are now offered: 

* – Quick Charge Package (S grade only) – adds Level 2 6.6 kW onboard charging (deletes 3.6 kW charging) and Quick Charge Port (CHAdemo)

* – Premium Package (SV and SL times) – adds Around View® Monitor and Energy Efficient Series Bose® seven- speaker audio.

Special note to Canadians:

The majority of the changes you see here will also be found on your 2016 Nissan LEAF with a couple of exceptions.

Cold Weather And A Strong US Dollar Is Giving Canadians A Great Deal On The 2016 Nissan LEAF

Cold Weather And A Strong US Dollar Is Giving Canadians A Great Deal On The 2016 Nissan LEAF

You don’t get the “Forged Bronze” color option – which is ok, it is unlikely to be very popular because, well…it’s brown.  You will also be losing the “Glacier White” color option; although isn’t “Pearl White” enough anyway?  But, you do finally get the standard 17″ wheels on the SV, like those of us in the US.

As a special 2016 perk, Canadians don’t have to buy the “Quick Charge” package in the base S trim, because it now comes standard with both 6.6 kW L2 charging, and the quick charge port – although you still will be paying the around $32,000 for the base model (but don’t convert that to US dollars Americans, as that’s only a little over $24k)

Only the black interior is available.

As it is significantly colder on average in Canada than the US, all LEAF models come standard equipped with a heated steering wheel and both heated front and rear seats.

Editor’s Note:  This is not the next generation of the Nissan LEAF, but rather an upgraded version of the last model year of the first generation car.  The all-new, next generation Nissan LEAF (with an estimated 170-200 miles of range) is expected to arrive in Q2 of 2017.

Full 2016 Nissan LEAF specs can be found below:

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2016 Nissan LEAF Specs – Page 1 (click to enlarge)

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2016 Nissan LEAF Specs – Page 2 (click to enlarge)

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253 responses to "2016 Nissan LEAF: 107 Miles EPA Range – Full Specs/Pricing"

  1. Martin says:

    Just 40lbs more and the same power output means less acceleration though. they could have bumped the kw out of the motor just slightly to make up for it.

    Well, its an affordable, popular ev easily achieving a 3 digit epa rating. We should be happy i guess 🙂

    1. jelloslug says:

      That amount of weight change would not even be measurable from a performance aspect.

      1. ziv says:

        40 pounds might cost you 0.04 seconds in a 0-60 mph test. Having a 150 pound person in the same car probably costs around 0.1 seconds.
        SWAG.
        😉

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          Yeah, thanks, ziv. I was gonna point out that an additional 40 lbs. makes no more difference than putting a five-year-old child in the car. The average person ain’t gonna notice the difference in acceleration.

    2. Mister G says:

      An added 40 pounds of battery weight can be offset with 50 pounds of fat loss by an average 4 person family. Time to get fit and drive a Leaf.

      1. Raymondjram says:

        If you walked instead of driving, you lose those 40 pounds.

      2. deyermann says:

        I sell electric conversion kits for bicycles and converted e-bikes and lithium batteries…
        http://www.ERV1.com at very reasonable prices…so, if you got an EV bike (or trike) that would help you lose weight, while if you got tired, the motor can be twist throttle operated to get you home happily. e-bikes ARE a lot of FUN and they really are something of a consumer sensation these days!!

    3. Only 10-15 lbs heavier than a model 2011/12 LEAF! Individual driver weight can vary more than this over course of a year. (ie: very minimal differences)

      Remember the 2013 LEAF shed ~30 lbs of battery weight.

    4. Eric says:

      If you are looking for acceleration, you will never find it in a Leaf. The point of the increase battery is more range, not more acceleration. Everything comes at a cost and thrills are not the Leaf’s bag. GT-R? 🙂

      1. Indy95GT says:

        Wrong, My Leaf is fast off the line. I typically leave 5 car lengths between any fuelies at the light. The thing is bordering dangerous. I wouldn’t let my kids drive it as a first car. Now with 40 more lbs, I guess I’ll only have 4 car lengths now:)

      2. Aaron says:

        Have you driven one? Seriously, take a test drive. This car is so much fun.

      3. Robert Simon says:

        Hi Eric,
        After owning a LEAF for the last 6 months I find it is penny powerful compared to my previous gas powered cars.
        If you put it in regular drive vs eco mode it is a rocket at city driving speeds.
        You get 100% torque from a stationary position, something no gas car can match (even a really extensive fast one) so you really can take off fast, also including uphill. In fact my biggest issue when I first got it was avoiding a speeding ticket. This is also true on the freeway where it is so quiet at 70 or 75 mph you can easily forget how fast you are driving.
        A 2013 used model with some of the full warranty left on it is about $12,500 right now, not bad at all given that I am saving $100 a month in gas too. In some states (e.g. Colorado) you can even get a rebate on a used EV from out of state. A new LEAF will come with $7500 from the feds plus state tax rebates up to $6000.
        Also I am not so worried about the warranty as I would be on a gas car as there really isn’t much to go wrong and I see a future of very minimal repair costs other than tires and a very occasional brake job (due to the engine braking feature I use the brakes a lot less.)
        Go test drive one is my advice! My friends who have driven mine are all shocked by how fun it is and by the cost savings.

    5. Stuart22 says:

      It is hard to get excited about this now. Five years ago this is what was promised!

      Too expensive, and now – not enough range.

      The problem for the Leaf is that the Volt does seem a much better buy. The Volt covers most people’s daily range plus it has a generator which works for any trip, no to mention having superior build quality.

      And if you want all electric, the 200 mile Chevy Bolt is due in less than a year at around the same level of price as a 107 mile LEAF!

      This is a situation where it pays to wait.

  2. ericonline says:

    Disappointed with the rise in price. If Nissan lowers their current financing incentive from 5000 the price increase is effectively even greater. It’s a much better value getting a base Model S for 70k if you can afford it.

    1. Mr. m says:

      If you buy the base Leaf, you have no rise in price. If you buy a better trim it makes no sense to compare to base Model S.

      Obivously the model S is the better car. It has 3 times the range, but also ~3 times the price (if you use the tax credit, the Leaf is around 22k$, model S around 64k$).

      1. ericonline says:

        Not quite 3 times the price. An SV (to get the 30 kwh battery) would be 35k with delivery, so maybe about 28k after tax credit minus whatever discount you might get. The Model S is 71k, just 63k after tax credit and referral discount.

        But the real cost that people don’t consider is depreciation. In 3 years you’ll be lucky to get 10k for the obsolete air cooled Leaf SV. The MS will likely command 40k+. In reality the total cost of ownership of a MS isn’t all that much more than a Leaf SV with a few options and dealer ads (enjoy those Nitrogen filled tires).

        1. Bill says:

          Nitrogen filled tires are a joke. The air is 70 percent nitrogen already.

    2. James says:

      Back in the day of hope and change, I remember all the meetings and introductions proclaiming the LEAF was to be a 100 mile range EV. It was kind of like a political campaign. Once in office, expectations were relaxed, and the “100 mile Nissan LEAF” became the 80 mile Nissan LEAF when brand new, and 70 mile Nissan LEAF in a year or two ( unless there are hills on your route, or the weather is not ideal – then it’s the 60 mile Nissan LEAF )…

      What endures in my mind about GM is that they overbuilt the Volt and generally under-promised and over-delivered on every point. The 40 mile range proclamation really was 40 miles – and the durability of the Volt is off the charts. The LEAF had major problems in hot and cold climates, yet still survived unscathed. Today, we are supposed to be all excited 4 years later – about an air-cooled LEAF with the range it was supposed to have from the beginning – for a greater cost to the consumer!

      1. Rick Danger says:

        Amen!!

        1. GB says:

          Yep. The 30 KWh Model is little more than a stop-gap placeholder until the 2017 Leaf arrives (whenever that actually occurs).

      2. Tom says:

        Yep! Color me unimpressed. I will not be buying another Leaf… And the 4 bar loser warranty is still silly, regardless of how long a duration it is for!

      3. Doggydogworld says:

        “… GM … generally under-promised and over-delivered on every point.”

        You’re joking, right? GM promised 40 mile EV range, 50 mpg on gasoline and a price comfortably under 30k. They delivered 35 mile EV range, 37 mpg and $40k+. (They also showed a cool muscle car and delivered something …. not, but that’s a whole ‘nother story).

        I agree GM overbuilt the Volt, and to their credit they stuck with it and improved the specs over time. But the original was massively over-promised and under-delivered.

  3. bro1999 says:

    Worst kept secret in the auto business is finally out of the bag.

    1. mustang_sallad says:

      worst kept secret?? Hardly! It was insideEVs that figured it out, and even then, other outlets have been confusing this 2016 upgrade with the 2nd gen model.

      1. Anon says:

        Really hope the second gen model is WAAAAAYYYY more aesthetically pleasing, and kick’s the second gen Volt’s butt in sales. 😀

        1. jj says:

          Range isn’t that important to me. Depreciation, longevity are. What I REALLY want in 2017 will be a safety package of adaptive radar, lane-change warning… things like that. It’s a jungle out there, and I’m getting older!
          But if they don’t have that by then – I’m switching to a different car!

  4. Cavaron says:

    “The 30 kWh battery resides in the same battery space under the LEAF as the existing 24 kWh pack”

    So… upgradeable?

    1. Dave K. says:

      That’s what they said, if it fits we will sell you one and put it in. Question is how much…

      1. Wait, when did they say that? As part of this press release or was that a general statement they made previously? I really want to know, as battery upgradeability will be a key factor in my “buy or return” decision at the end of my lease. And, as you pointed out, how much will it cost?

        1. Jay Cole says:

          Sorry, no.

          The newer 24 kWh “lizard” battery can be replaced throughout any of the previous model years, but the new 30 kWh battery (despite displacing the same basic space)can’t be retrofitted into a previously equipped 24 kWh car.

          1. Assaf says:

            Awww are you sure Jay? Is this in the press release, or you got this information upon questioning?

            1. Jay Cole says:

              Sorry Assaf, no 30 kWh battery for you I’m afraid,

              It’s not in the press release as today’s PR focuses solely on the new model (and it’s probably not a +1 to put in there as an added note, lol)

              If for some reason Nissan changes its tune on the 30 kWh batteries for older models, we definitely will get that news out immediately, (=

              1. Assaf says:

                Haha, we are leasing anyway 🙂 I was thinking about actual 2011-5 owners.

                Engineering-wise, it seems a bit unsustainable of Nissan to make a one-of-a-kind battery pack adequate for 2 trims of the 2016 only, then start with a different form altogether a year or so later. Unless they are using it as a beta for Gen 2 batteries.

                Speaking of which: we will likely extend our lease (due July 2016) to get the Gen 2. Have you heard any side-word about that today?

                1. mike w. says:

                  That’s actually a good point. If Nissan can put a 24 or 30 KWH pack in the same car in 2016 why can they NOT put a 30 KWH battery in an 2011 -2015 Leaf. its the same car.

            2. jim stack says:

              A local 2011 owner here in Phoenix has a firm quote to do the 30 kWh battery swap out in his LEAF. We’ll see if it really gets completed pretty soon. The dealer was able to order the 30 K battery….

              1. Jay Cole says:

                Hey Jim,

                A dealer can order replacement 30 kWh packs, but I think you will find that the dealer isn’t up to speed/aware of the lack of reverse-compatibility when that quote was given. It is an incredibly new offering…perhaps Nissan will add a note/send a bulletin out at some point.

                1. Ocean Railroader says:

                  Nissan better not have some moronic feature in the Leaf’s Software that stops me from swapping out the battery for a more powerful one. In that HP Computers have a line of code that crashes there computers and stops you from using the computer’s hard drive if you replace the motherboard on the computer.

                  1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

                    It would be surprising to me if Nissan does not have something in this upgraded battery pack deliberately designed to make backwards compatibility impossible. Detroit has no exclusivity on planned obsolescence.

                    Nissan, just like every other auto maker except Tesla, doesn’t want to upgrade existing customers’ cars; it wants to sell them a new car!

                    1. Assaf says:

                      For this, they already have the >150-mile Gen 2 whose rollout is planned early 2017.

                      The 30kWh Gen 1 has been designated as a stopgap to maintain the Leaf’s sales and relative position till Gen 2 comes out. And possibly to collect ‘Beta’ information for improving Gen 2 batteries.

                      In the first role, it arguably works better when backwards-compatible, since the idea is to sustain faith in the brand and its value as a used car.

                      They probably don’t want a rush on 30 kWh batteries right now – they *do* want to sell those inside new cars as long as that’s Nissan’s latest and greatest – but given it’s the same form-factor, I’ll be surprised if they don’t “magically” come up with a fix for backwards-compatibility later on, when Gen 2 is already on the horizon.

                      In short, wait a year or two and it might suddenly become possible.

                    2. Assaf says:

                      For this, they already have the >150-mile Gen 2 whose rollout is planned early 2017.

                      The 30kWh Gen 1 has been designated as a stopgap to maintain the Leaf’s sales and relative position till Gen 2 comes out. And possibly to collect ‘Beta’ information for improving Gen 2 batteries.

                      In the first role, it arguably works better when backwards-compatible, since the idea is to sustain faith in the brand and its value as a used car.

                      They probably don’t want a rush on 30 kWh batteries right now – they *do* want to sell those inside new cars as long as that’s Nissan’s latest and greatest – but given it’s the same form-factor, I’ll be surprised if they don’t “magically” come up with a fix for backwards-compatibility later on, when Gen 2 is already on the horizon or in the market.

                      In short, wait a year or two and it might suddenly become possible.

                    3. Nate says:

                      We are all speculating, so I wouldn’t bet one way or the other. If I had to bet, I’d agree with Pushmi-Pullyu on this one. I’d be surprised if there wouldn’t be some engineering effort needed to test backward compatibility of both hardware AND software in the older models. They have to justify the cost to the bean counters and share holders. Perhaps a justification could be to prop up residuals, which helps with the ability to offer competitive leases. It certainly isn’t something I would count on though.

              2. Tom says:

                Something is completely fishy! The 30Kw battery doesn’t even exist yet in the replacement parts list! Either the poster or dealer is smoking something! There will be NO 30Kw battery replacement for the earlier cars. Taint going to happen.

  5. jhm614 says:

    It is very exciting to see the capacity increase announced. And to see the corresponding longer capacity warranty to go with it – I didn’t expect that!

  6. Brian says:

    I’m a little surprised at the timing of this announcement. I expected them to reveal the 2016 Leaf at the start of NDEW, seeing as they are the official sponsor this year.

    Anyway, it’s good to see progress even though none of this is a surprise by now. Except maybe the 5″ screen in the Leaf S. Oh, and NissanConnect can tell us local fuel prices. Thanks, Nissan, just what we need in a Leaf!

    1. Bill Howland says:

      FINALLY, Nissan has come out with :

      A). An honest 100 mile range car.

      B). Supposedly, a battery which will lose less ‘bars’ over time.

      C). A decent charge rate (6600 watts) for a 30 kwh battery.

      People will say its ‘not much’ but I say better late than never. When the new Bolt comes out, unless its a Total Stinker (unlikely), Nissan will have much more pressure on them to come out with something better.

      1. Brian says:

        Well, I think it’s a solid improvement. And I’m not one to dig on Nissan for “taking so long”. They had not anticipated the hot-temperature wilting of 2011-2012 Leaf batteries. Dealing with that cost them a solid 2 years of battery development time.

        As for competing with the Bolt, it is pretty well known that the 2016 Leaf is NOT the second generation. That car will come out around the same time as the Bolt (maybe before, probably shortly after), and will have a similar price and range to the Bolt. Those two, plus the Model 3, are the serious contenders to eventually replace my 2012 Leaf.

        1. Taser54 says:

          C’mon Brian, Nisssan took a risk rolling out the baterry pack without thermal management and failed (for hot regions) with battery bake off.

          They knew exactly what they were doing as the prevailing thought was that battery packs required a robust thermal management system (Tesla and GM providing the examples).

          It’s a shame that many of Nissan’s customers had to fight Nissan over a poor design.

          1. Brian says:

            What is your point? Yes, I know Nissan took a risk. Obviously when they did so, they did not anticipate the results they got. Certainly they knew it was a possibility, but they were hoping that it would just “work out” without TMS or a more robust chemistry. And as a result, they lost 2 years of development time just trying to fix their mistake.

            I am in no way defending Nissan in this. I am just saying that, IMO, it seems that it is the cause of the delay for bringing extra capacity / range to the table. And now that they have, I applaud them for it. Time will tell whether the 2015 or 2016 batteries have the same hot-weather issues as the original.

            Of course, it’s easy for me to stay level-headed because it does not affect me. I live in a cold climate, and still have all capacity bars after 42 months / 30k miles. I have noticed ~15% range reduction from new, but that could easily be the fact that I replaced the tires with non-LRR tires.

          2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            Taser54 said:

            “C’mon Brian, Nisssan took a risk rolling out the baterry pack without thermal management and failed (for hot regions) with battery bake off.

            “They knew exactly what they were doing…”

            You were right the first time. Nissan definitely took a risk there, and arguably they lost, with bad press and having to improve the chemistry of the battery in the 2013 model, for better high-temperature tolerance; an improvement they didn’t advertise or even admit to, because they would have had to admit the original choices were a mistake.

            So why would you then go on to say “They knew exactly what they were doing…”? You correctly pointed out that they very clearly didn’t.

            1. Stephen Hodges says:

              Although I’m suffering a bit from thermal damage (9 bars at 22K miles on a 2011), I would back them trying to keep it simple, rather than the complexity of the plumbing/AC/heating needed in the thermally managed competition. I would bet there are more problems with these. If they can get it stable by chemistry, that’s the way to go

              1. Alonso Perez says:

                Exactly. The long game for Renault-Nissan is to make really cheap electric cars, because to Ghosn the long game is to sell cars in the developing world where the group has even reindtroduced the Datsun brand for its low end offerings.
                Even the Tesla Model III will be a sophisticated, expensive car for markets like India or Brazil. The engineering behind the Leaf and Zoe makes much more sense if you understand the global positioning of Renault-Nissan. Ghosn understands that car sales will grow in developing countries but that the planet cannot handle those extra millions of cars if they are ICEs. He thus needs the simplest possible EV technology.

              2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

                “I would back them trying to keep it simple, rather than the complexity of the plumbing/AC/heating needed in the thermally managed competition. I would bet there are more problems with these.”

                I haven’t read of any problems with Volt’s thermal management system, or with Tesla’s either.

                Nissan took the cheap way out, and I find it astonishing that they are still stubbornly sticking to that mistake.

                1. Djoni says:

                  Neither almost 95%+ of all the Leaf sold have any degradation problem severe as the one in very hot climate.
                  It’s a problem, but statistically not that much of a dent.
                  They still degrade faster IMO than Tesla or Volt, but it might have more to do with bigger pack(Tesla) and much more buffer in place to eat the degradation (Volt)
                  So a 30 kWh pack would probably degrade less and that without counting better chemistry.

  7. Hector says:

    GM made the upgrade, good.
    Nissan made the upgrade, not bad.
    who is next?

    Who will be the one how offers 40kWh first at a competitive price?

    1. RexxSee says:

      They move like snails…

  8. kdawg says:

    Are these the new LG batteries? Where are they made?

    1. GeorgeS says:

      My question as well. Seems like if LG moved into Smyrna battery factory we would know by now.

      1. Jay Cole says:

        No, both the 24 kWh and new chemistry 30 kWh battery packs and cells are made next door to the plant in Smyrna, TN by Nissan themselves.

        We have spoken to Nissan about any future 3rd party battery/joint venture deals (albeit not terribly recently as there hasn’t been any “new” news), and Nissan USA has been pretty adamant that any deal with LG Chem would not displace what the company is doing in the US.

        1. kdawg says:

          So still the same-ol’ chemistry.. hmmm
          Is that the “lizard tech”?

          1. kdawg says:

            Still the same in the 24kWh battery I meant.

            1. Josh says:

              24 kWh = Lizard
              30 kWh = Bearded Dragon

        2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          Jay Cole said:

          “No, both the 24 kWh and new chemistry 30 kWh battery packs and cells are made next door to the plant in Smyrna, TN by Nissan themselves.

          “We have spoken to Nissan about any future 3rd party battery/joint venture deals (albeit not terribly recently as there hasn’t been any ‘new’ news), and Nissan USA has been pretty adamant that any deal with LG Chem would not displace what the company is doing in the US.”

          I flatly do not believe that Nissan is going to debut the 2017 Leaf 2.0 with the same ol’ battery chemistry. They will either be using LG Chem as a supplier, or they will be using licensed LG Chem technology to make batteries in their own battery factories.

          For the interim 2016 Leaf 1.5, certainly they will be using the same ol’ battery chemistry. It’s too soon to get the new LG Chem cells into their cars.

          Not to dispute they told you otherwise, Jay, but it’s simply not believable that Nissan is going to double the range of the Leaf 1.0 without using the new, and presumably cheaper per kWh, battery chemistry from LG Chem.

          Let us remember that company spokesmen do not always tell the truth, by a long shot. They say what they’re paid to say, and that frequently means lying to the press, to their customers, and even to their own employees. That, unfortunately, is a common practice in business.

          1. Jay Cole says:

            I don’t our statements differ all that much.

            Just stating that Nissan is still making the 30 kWh packs, and they intend to still make the next generation packs in-house as well (at least it seems when it comes to US manufacturing).

            The next generation will certainly be the improved chemistry, and it could also be LG-Chem based IP, but manufactured by Nissan.

            With no particular evidence to lead me to this conclusion, my gut tells me that any Nissan-LG Chem tie-up will have the greatest impact on Nissan’s battery production/allocation in Europe, where Renault-LG Chem already have a relationship. The two companies already have joint MOIs on future/2ng gen battery tech development.

            1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

              Yeah, okay. On re-reading the statement, I guess “any deal with LG Chem would not displace what [Nissan] is doing in the US” is compatible with the idea that Nissan has licensed LG Chem’s tech and will be building battery cells in their own battery factories similar to LG Chem’s new, presumably cheaper per kWh cells.

              I can’t be certain the latter is true, but certainly InsideEVs reported on a deal with Renault which hinted at that:

              http://insideevs.com/renault-inks-battery-deal-lg-chem/

              And of course, Renault and Nissan have had a “strategic alliance” since 1999.

  9. Mr. m says:

    Cool. Upgradeable?

    Between 2000 and 1500 $ / 6 kWh => 250-333 $/kWh retail. Cool.

    Hey Nissan, good job.

    1. GeorgeS says:

      Oh I don’t know. It’s the same price as a Volt. The Volt seems like a better deal for the same money.

      The flip side is that it seems like Nissan has some decent lease deals. I wish we had more details on lease numbers.

      1. Brian says:

        Depends on your needs. For many, the Leaf will still be a better fit. But I do suspect that the 2017 Volt will outsell the 2016 Leaf by a wide margin.

        1. Assaf says:

          time will tell…

          But hopefully this time around both marketing teams treat it as a win-win, realizing that the bigger prize is the ordinary uninitiated or partly-initiated consumer out there, rather than poach “EV people” off of each other.

          1. Nate says:

            I agree time will tell. I think the Leaf is the best reasonably priced BEV and the Volt the best reasonably priced PHEV. If there is a major difference it will come down to being able to supply inventory, and perhaps marketing. I think Nissan has done a better job of marketing the Leaf than GM has for the Volt (which isn’t saying much). If GM is able to turn that around I think it could help the Volt pull ahead. Some people are surprised to hear that despite how much driving we do most days our Volt doesn’t use any gas, and others are surprised that we take it on longer trips without needing to charge it along the way. Most of these people are successful and pretty smart, but they just don’t happen to follow the car industry and have some misconceptions about the Volt and/or Leaf.

            1. Bill says:

              Question: What happens when you start up a Volt on a cold morning. Isn’t the engine needed to create heat for the cabin?

              1. Nate says:

                There is a setting that you can change that from occurring from cold to very cold. I forget what the exact temps that represents, and if I have changed mine from the default. It hasn’t gotten cold enough where I live (Portland, OR) for that to happen since I’ve had the car. The daytime highs in the winter here are by no means toasty, but the low temp isn’t very low. I’m at USDA climate zone 8b, which means the low temps in winter are higher here than Dallas or Atlanta. http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/
                So, I’m a little lucky to be living in a good place for plug-ins. I’d have little hesitation buying a used Leaf in terms of the battery if it was a local car.

                Our car sleeps in an attached garage too.

                If it did come on to help heat the cabin faster, I really wouldn’t care. I hope we have a colder winter this year so I can see this feature in action, as it will be the our last full winter before the lease ends. If I were in a colder climate and it happened everyday, maybe I would not like that feature. For people doing frequent short errands when it is very cold I could see this as a real annoyance. For people who have a long commute at the cusp or longer than the winter AER I’d see it as a non issue.

                I could see winter AER as something to consider more seriously in the colder climates, especially for a BEV. However, most of the people I’ve talked to with the misperceptions I was mentioning are co-workers, neighbors, and friends from my local area. Also, those folks I am recalling have 2+ ICE cars and a garage.

        2. KenZ says:

          Yeah, I think you are both correct in that the Volt is, for MOST people, a better deal since you get your long distance car and your short EV commuter in one.

          For me, I’m looking at the new leaf though; we have a Volt now, but my new commute next year will be 32 miles each way. That’s cutting it pretty close in the current Leaf, and is a gas sucker in the Volt… even the new Volt.

          1. kdawg says:

            What’s your climate like? Do you commute at less than 70mph? You may be able to squeak 64 miles out of the Gen2 Volt daily.

        3. BraveLilToaster says:

          Oh definitely. The guy I carpool with would save a lot of money driving a Leaf, because he covers 125 km a day just commuting. If you try doing that in a Volt without charging at work (which isn’t currently possible) then he’d be paying about $1000 a year more in gas over the $400 a year in electricity he’d pay with a Leaf. He’d barely be saving any money over a new Civic.

          Of course, he currently drives an older Acura CL, so his fuel savings would be quite dramatic.

        4. David says:

          I doubt the Volt will outsell the LEAF. It hasn’t since Nissan moved manufacturing to the states in early 2013.

          The Volt is has too cramped an interior with a battery in the cabin. If GM made a CUV with the range of the Volt and battery under the car, it would be a different story. We’ll see what they mess up with the Bolt. If its as it appears, the Bolt should do very well.

          1. kdawg says:

            That is also when Georgia sales blew up for the Leaf too. W/out those subsidies, I don’t think it will do as well. Would love to be proven wrong though.

        5. mr. M says:

          And others, Europe for example have no Volt/Ampera any more. The Leaf fits better than a not available car.

  10. Forever green says:

    It is hard to get excited about this now. Five years ago this is what was promised!

    1. RexxSee says:

      +1
      The same song, too expensive, not enough range and little availability.

  11. Benz says:

    Nissan LEAF SV – $34,200
    With 30 kWh battery pack
    Warranty: 8 years or 100,000 miles

    That’s a good offer.

    1. Jeff Songster says:

      I agree… I am glad they finally released this. Hopefully it will keep LEAF sustained until LEAF2.

      Love my 2 LEAFs… 2013 and 2015… 35k of mostly rooftop solar powered driving.

    2. The 8 yr / 100,000 mile warranty is actually a requirement in California and other CARB states. Nothing new.

      I suspect the “real” warranty, for degradation, is still 5 yr / 60,000 miles.

      1. kubel says:

        Spec sheet disagrees.

        1. Jay Cole says:

          Yes, there is no extra required warranty at all on the battery storage system when it is not used in conjunction with another means of propulsion that causes emissions.

          LEAF = no emissions = CARB is happy/does not care

  12. Lou Grinzo says:

    Reading this story, I am, for perhaps the 10,000th time, struck by deja vu. I’ve lived through this once already, in the form of the early days of PCs, when enthusiasts would agonize over ever detail of MHz, KB and MB, graphics resolution, etc. We were so anxious to get the system we really wanted that we were blind to the stunning rate of progress and the sheer wonder of what was unfolding around us. I think we plugheads are often guilty of the same sort of myopia.

    But to the post at hand — I’m a bit disappointed in the pricing. I really thought we’d see a drop in the price of the S model, to reflect the difference in range between it and the SV and SL levels. I’m guessing that Nissan will end their seemingless endless promotions on the Leaf (except for 2015s, obviously), which means the 2016s are effectively quite a bit more expensive, as someone else pointed out above.

    Oh well… time to install that spiffy new Hayes 300 baud modem in my EV…

  13. GeorgeS says:

    This is the article I’ve been waiting for. Now I must read it 🙂

    1. GeorgeS says:

      OK I read it. I’m disappointed in the price. You can buy a gen 2 Volt for the same money.

      I will wait and see what kind of lease deals come along. If they offer a decent lease deal I may get one.

      1. JP White says:

        Certainly if the LEAF 2.0 is only a few years away a lease seems to make more sense.

        1. Jay Cole says:

          Hey JP,

          Just wanted to say “nice work” on nabbing the Forged Bronze 2016 Nissan LEAF, (=

          /very heads-up

      2. Londo Bell says:

        Not exactly an apple to apple comparison, with a base Volt vs middle trim LEAF?

        You get a bigger battery with a tad over 2X electric miles too on the 2016 LEAF!

        That’s not to mention the higher rebate amount in various states for BEV vs PHEV.

        Unfortunately, you don’t get the bonus ICE on the Volt though, for the price of the LEAF…

        1. Dragon says:

          I wouldn’t call the ICE a bonus. Its weight drags down your electric range and its complexity adds to maintenance costs. I can see getting a Volt in a single-car household, but if you own two cars, a Leaf and a high-mpg ICE makes more sense than a Volt.

          1. Nate says:

            >>”a Leaf and a high-mpg ICE makes more sense than a Volt.”

            Not always because not everyone’s usage is the same. Some people have more variability day to day / season to season. Needs differ for different households. Also, if you have a need for a larger vehicle in your household, neither the Leaf or the Volt fit that need so your second car won’t be high mpg ICE it will be a low mpg ICE.

            >>”Its weight drags down your electric range”

            If the range meets your daily driving meets, it meets your daily driving needs. If you don’t usually have days you drive between 40-90 miles without charging, the larger battery adds to weight and cost too. With a PHEV, you can use 100% of it down to 0 instead of needing to need a cushion (or risk calling a tow), so in that sense the ICE increases your true usable range of the battery.

            >>”adds to maintenance costs”
            Not much. An EREV or high AER PHEV design the ICE gets little wear and tear. Very few cold starts – fleet average over 80% of trips it is never turned on. That minimizes wear and tear significantly vs. traditional hybrid (which is already pretty low). I’ve needed to have one oil change in a 2+ years, so that is what $25? I’ve needed to have the tires rotated a few times but that would be the same in the Leaf. Brakes life should be very long on both cars.

            There are pros and cons of both. I’ve almost leased a Leaf twice (once when it first came out and once when I got the Volt). I’m liking the Volt’s flexibility for now, but when the lease ends I could end up getting a used Leaf as the used prices seem very tempting. Really I’d like one of each but I’d still need something significantly bigger than either of them, and I don’t want 3 vehicles.

  14. Arpe says:

    Anyone know if they have done anything to improve winter-driving?
    Or do I still have to expect a ~30-40% less range during the winter compared to EPA-range?

    1. mr. M says:

      Sure, i’ve driven the new Leaf 2016 two weeks ago in the middle of the winter. Driven 120 miles but at 40mph. Is your question now answered?

      *sarcasm off*

  15. Phatcat73 says:

    As a current Leaf owner, I feel shafted by the new 2016 battery warranty, even though I live in a temperate climate – Chicago. At my current rate my battery would be replaced under the new warranty, but not old. Nissan should retro the warranty for the earlier adopters.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      As we mentioned in the article, the 2016 model with the same 24 kWh battery (S trim) has the exact same 5 year/60,000 mile warranty as all previous model years (2011-2015).

      Only 2016 LEAFs (SV/SL) equipped with the new chemistry, 30 kWh batteries (that also net more miles per cycle) gets the 8 year/100,000 mile nod.

      1. Phatcat73 says:

        I understand and I hope Nissan offers some reasonable upgrade options, backed by a warranty to appease the early adopters.

    2. The upgrade in capacity warranty is purely related to increase number of miles per charging cycle.

      Example: odometer reading after 1000 full charging cycles :
      – 24 kWh pack, 83 miles = 83,000 miles
      – 30 kWh pack, 107 miles = 107,000 miles
      (can assume 70% of original capacity after 1000 cycles, but math is a bit more complex … but conclusion is similar)

      With fewer full charging cycles for the same odometer reading, a 30 kWh pack degrades at much slower rate.

  16. MasiGuy says:

    8 year 100,000 mile battery warranty is big news, does anyone else offer a capacity warranty yet?

    And 30-40% lower winter driving range sounds like you’re cranking the cabin heat or have an older LEAF. 2014s and 15s don’t drop their mileage nearly as much as 12s or 11s…

    1. Bailey says:

      Kia Soul EV does

      1. Larry says:

        When will the Soul go nationwide? If Nissan won’t allow my 2012 to upgrade to 30kwh battery, I will have to be in the market for a replacement next year. My range continues to plummet, even though the bars lost remains at one. I wonder if Nissan hasn’t pushed a software update to eliminate an accurate reading of capacity.

        1. sakejunkie says:

          @ Larry,
          Your DTE (Distance to Empty) gauge on the far right is displaying based on the calculations relating to your current driving style, and AC drain on the pack. Spend a few days in Eco-mode with slower than normal starts from 0 MPH, lower highway speeds and you should see an improvement in that number. Remember, it calculates remaining range every 500 meters of driving and retains the stats based on the previous driving session.

    2. Carsten says:

      Don’t the carb states require 8 years and 100.000 miles anyway? My 2012 MiEV has the 8yrs/100.000mi warranty.

      1. Jay Cole says:

        No, because it is an all-electric car (BEV) there is no additional warranty at all that is necessary…as it doesn’t not have any emissions. BEV makers are pretty much free to offer whatever they choose.

        What you might be thinking of is the pretty stringent warranty requirements for energy storage systems in PHEVs such as the Chevrolet Volt, BMW i3 REx, etc.

        In those cases, CARB requires a 8 years/100,000 miles warranty, and a 10 year/150,000 miles warranty for the PHEV to qualify for the additional incentive – as the vehicles need to be classes an enhanced “AT PZEV”

        1. Not quite right. The “emission” cars (hybrids) must have an 8 year / 150,000 mile warranty.

          I guess the presumption is that they will be driven more, since they have dead dinosaurs to propel them.

          1. Jay Cole says:

            Yes, thanks Tony, I did mean to write that…guess I’m losing it this week, lol

            Sidetnote: You should quit all the EVSE-building, piloting nonsense and start editing for us, (=

    3. Art Isbell says:

      BMW i3’s battery pack has a capacity warranty (70%, I believe).

  17. Regulus Black says:

    “introduction of Carbon, Nitrogen and Magnesium to the electrodes improves performance of the cells”

    How do you introduce nitrogen? Nitrogen is a gas.

    1. Jeff N says:

      Sounds like a load of fertilizer to me!

      But seriously Jay, are you sure Nitrogen, Magnesium, and Carbon are the right “NMC” elements that Nissan is using in the battery?

      As opposed to Nickel, Manganese, and Cobalt?

      1. Josh says:

        I am with you, NMC is Nickel, Mag, Cobalt as far as I know.

        1. Jay Cole says:

          We are talking about different things here.

          Now I am a rank amateur at this and way out of my comfort zone, so don’t quote me in any way, lol … but my limited understanding is that the thermal activation material includes a nitrogen-containing polymer, where the negative electrode plate includes carbide (hence the carbon).

          1. Josh says:

            Got it.

            Very coincidental that it has the same prefix letters as the more widely known NMC battery chemistry.

            1. Jay Cole says:

              Yeah I know, that was unfortunate wasn’t it? I was thinking about that when I was putting this piece together, and did try to mix them up a bit ,(=

              1. Larry says:

                How about NiMgCo as a mnemonic?

          2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            I, like Jay, don’t know that much about chemistry… but I do know that nitrogen is found in many compounds, including 3% of the mass of the human body.

            However, I certainly do agree that the abbreviation NMC in reference to battery chemistry usually refers to nickel, manganese, cobalt. So there certainly seems to be some confusion here.

            1. Just_Chris says:

              I’m certainly confused.

              Article

              “the introduction of Carbon, Nitrogen and Magnesium to the electrodes improves performance of the cells” – note electrodes, not something else.

              Since one electrode is already made of carbon (graphite) I assume they are talking about the other electrode

              NMC – normally nickel-manganese-cobalt not nickel-magnesium-cobalt.
              Mg – magnesium
              Mn – Manganese
              Mag – god knows

              I still don’t know what they have done to the battery – perhaps they have added the carbon to increase the conductivity of the electrode and then co-doped the electrode with nitrogen e.g.

              Li(Co,Mn,Mg)x(O,N)y

              Nitrogen is a gas but so is oxygen and carbon (as methane or carbon dioxide). The electrode are likely to be non-stoichiometric potentially containing both cation and anion vacancies.

          3. Jeff N says:

            Do you have a link to the original source of this information?

            I didn’t see it discussed in the main press release and I’d like to know more.

  18. evnow says:

    SV,SL now come with QC as standard. So, effectively no price increase. 30 kWh is a free upgrade.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Just a couple points:

      The 2015 Nissan LEAF SL already had quick charging as standard.

      Nissan also split the old package up a bit, so if you are looking for the “base” 30 kWh SV you don’t get the full value as before. The old “Quick Charge Package” on the SV (for $1,630) also came bundled with the “Headline Package”. With the new 2016s, the LED headlights and fog lights are no longer available on the SV, but standard on the SL.

      Essentially, if you wanted a CHAdeMO port anyway, you would see a small $~500 increase on the SV (plus loss of LEDs/fogs). While the SL gets the $1,600 bump for basically just the larger 30 kWh battery.

      1. evnow says:

        Yes, little change for SV but increase for SL.

        Not sure how they price these things.

  19. Sam EV says:

    Hooray for a range increase!

    Is it possible they made safety enhancements to fix the poor small overlap crash test results in the 2015 Leaf?

  20. Ken says:

    Did anyone else notice that rear heated seats are only offered on the SL now? That was always a bragging point that that even the cheapest Leaf had a heated steering wheel and heated rear seats. There are alot more expensive cars that dont have those. To be honest, i may have turned the rear seats on twice between 3 Leafs so far.

  21. MarkSTJ says:

    There is one big item that should be considered when comparing a Leaf and a Volt. The volt has a very complicated drive system. Many parts to maintain. The beauty of a Leaf is it’s simplicity of it’s drive train. I will lease a 2016 in April when my 2012 lease is up.(32000 mile and lost 2 bars).

    1. Ocean Railroader says:

      What I liked about the leaf when I test drove it was it was the best thing to handle the hair trigger stoplights in my area. It also had a lot of power that was like nothing I had driven before. I also liked how the ride felt in it. It also had no trouble getting up to 70 miles on hour on the expressway.

      The only thing I didn’t like about it was when I started driving it the range started at 45 miles left but then dropped to 20 miles after only two miles of driving though.

  22. DonC says:

    I think this is a milestone. A 107 miles of electric range is way way better than 75 miles. You will run into days when 75 wasn’t be enough but 100+ would be. (The 200+ days are for a different vehicle). Lease prices should also be decent, at least down the line, and Nissan seems to have addressed the fade battery issue.

    The problem for the Leaf is that the Volt does seem a much better buy. You get half the range plus a generator which works for any trip, and the build quality of the two cars are not comparable. And if you want all electric, the 200 mile Bolt is on the horizon for not a lot more money.

    But if the lease terms are good it would be cheap and reliable transportation until you can get something better. Nobody does “cheap” better than Nissan.

    1. kdawg says:

      Seems like Nissan would just discontinue the 75 mile range Leaf.

      1. kubel says:

        There’s a business case for maintaining it. They have to continue production of batteries for warranty claims on 2011-2015. Might as well make that the base battery on future models.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          If the new batteries from LG Chem are as much cheaper per kWh as I think, then it makes sense for Nissan to eventually upgrade all their battery packs to save money, even on the replacement packs for existing Leafs.

          But doing so depends on availability. With a rapidly lengthening list of customers competing for LG Chem’s new battery cells, it would make sense for Nissan to license the tech and put it into production themselves, ensuring their own supply. In fact, there was an announcement just a few months ago that Nissan had made some sort of agreement with LG Chem. They were quite vague about the details of the agreement, but hopefully it does include licensing the LG Chem battery chemistry tech so Nissan can build their own cheaper cells.

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            Edit: Actually the reported deal was between Renault and LG Chem. But Nissan and Renault are partners, so perhaps…

      2. Josh says:

        I bet the 30 kWh is the base for Gen 2.

      3. There is a case for urban driving, or older drives that go fewer miles annually.

        Think of lower range entry LEAF like a 16 GB phone, which remains popular with many customers not needing full performance. Advanced users usually pick the 64 GB, or 128 GB model. 😉

        1. Robb Stark says:

          NO doubt there is some demand for sub 100 mile BEVs that are more efficient than 200 plus mile BEVs.

          Is it large enough to be profitable at the price point these customers expect for a “city vehicle”?

  23. Stuart22 says:

    “As for pricing, the base Nissan LEAF (S) remains unchanged at $29,010, while the extra 23 miles found in the SV and SL trims see the prices increase anywhere from $1,600 to $2,100.

    After the federal government’s incentive is factored in, a 107 mile LEAF will set you back at least $26,700 before any dealer or state-level incentives are applied:

    * – Nissan LEAF S – $29,010 ($29,010)
    * – Nissan LEAF SV – $34,200 ($32,100) – now includes standard quick charging
    * – Nissan LEAF SL – $36,790 ($35,170)”

    Uh, I’m confused. First it says upgrade prices go up anywhere from $1600 to $2100….. then SL pricing is listed at $35,170 – a whopping $6,160 MORE than the base model.

    1. Stuart22 says:

      EDIT – I get it now. New vs. Old pricing.

      1. Jay Cole says:

        Sorry about that Stuart, perhaps we should have made that clearer

  24. MasiGuy says:

    Hey, hey, no need to make “cheap” shots, lets keep this civil:-)

    Bolt will be brand new model with probably teething issues, whereas the LEAF has been driven in the real world for 5 years. May the Bolt succeed because it will make EVs all the more main stream.

    Anyone notice the MY16 base S is now getting the hybrid heater which will improve winter range noticeably, another bid step forward!

    1. Matt says:

      mmmmnope, the S still does not have the hybrid heater. Clearly says it is added in the SV in the article and the specs. However, they deleted heated steering wheel from the S, and heated rear seats from S & SV. That’s very disappointing (I am in WI and those features are a must). Northern USA should get that same “base” cold weather spec that the new Canadian model apparently gets :-P.

      1. pk says:

        Indeed. Some Northern States are more North than parts of Canada.

        1. Brian says:

          Strike that – many US states extend farther north than the southern point of Canada. Even here in Syracuse, NY, if I travel due west, I will hit Canada.

          1. Ernie Dunbar says:

            No, he means that North Dakota has a colder climate than either coast of Canada.

    2. Mark c. says:

      I don’t read it that way. On page 3 of the spec sheet it shows the hybrid heater as standard on the SV & SL. It just has a dash in the S model column. I say it’s not availableon the S.

    3. Josh says:

      Bolt is still smaller and 4 seat. Leaf has an advantage over Bolt and Volt on size (and name confusion).

      1. Ambulator says:

        Is it? I have assumed it seats five, but I haven’t seen any official information on that.

        1. Josh says:

          At least at concept it was definitively 4 seats. It is the Sonic platform, which comes with 5 seats, so maybe that will change.


          https://transportevolved.com/2015/01/15/five-things-know-chevrolet-bolt-concept-car/

  25. Assaf says:

    Thanks Jay, you guys nailed it!

    I like this battery-warranty increase. That ought to shut up many anti-EV mouths.

    Judging by recent Leaf press/release behavior from Nissan, I assume that now they have the volume to meet the demand needs they expect in the first wave of orders through the end of 2015.

    Or not…

    1. kubel says:

      107 mile EPA range.
      64 mile winter range.
      75 miles EOL range.
      45 mile EOL + winter range.

      Insufficient.

  26. John Doe says:

    Thanks for adding km too. 🙂

    107 miles (172 km) is not bad but, at this point, I’m not sure that 2017 model will reach 200 miles…
    They will try for sure to get some more range by improving the motor efficiency too, like Zoe.

    Liked the 8 year 100,000 mile battery warranty.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Hehe, your welcome…I was thinking of you when I did it – as well as adding in some Europe/Canadian specs and data points.

    2. Brian says:

      FWIW, the next Leaf will not have the constraint of the size/shape of the current battery box. The container could easily be doubled in size, giving enough room for a 60kWh battery. Of course then you need to consider both weight and cost. But I don’t think it’s fair to say “hmm, in 5 years, they increased by 25%, no way could they then double in 2 more years”

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Sure. The Tesla Model S and BMW i3 both use a “skateboard” design, with the battery pack flat and spread out underneath the floor of the passenger cabin. Hopefully that will be the configuration for the Leaf 2.0.

        It’s disappointing that GM didn’t switch to that configuration for the Volt 2.0, and still has the problem with the T-shaped battery pack intruding into the floor of the passenger cabin.

  27. bro1999 says:

    So the 2016 Leaf with the bigger battery starts at $34,200….we know the ’17 Bolt EV will start “around” $37k. Let’ assume the Bolt will have an EPA-rated 205 mile range. So Nissan is coming out with a 200 mile Gen 2 Leaf within the next 2 years that will be competitive with the Bolt? Which would mean that it would only be a few thousand more than the now 107 mile Leaf. Numbers don’t seem to be adding up for me. That will be one helluva coup if Nissan can come out with a 200 mile Leaf that hits the $37k price point.

    1. Londo Bell says:

      A lot of assumptions in your comment, which you seemed to have turned them into “facts:”

      – there’s no actual confirmation that there will be a “17” Bolt. Sure, there are test mules and plans, but to say it is a definite is a stretch. Latest Volt situation is a perfect example.
      – $37K sale price is not “confirmed” either, unless you’ve a crystal ball. Again, Volt is a perfect example (on how the price point were missed several times).
      – 205 mile range is NOT EPA-rated. There is no epa rated mileage on an non-existence (for sale to public) vehicle.
      – Bolt is a limited production vehicle, vs LEAF which is sold worldwide. This has huge impact in terms of pricing.
      – There is NO INFO on what is being offered for the Bolt at the estimated $37K price point.

      Thus, to say that it will be one helluva coup for Nissan to come out with Gen 2 LEAF at a price point and a certain range against Bolt is too premature currently.

    2. You will need to add many extras to the cheapest Bolt to reach the Leaf SV level.

    3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      bro1999

      “Numbers don’t seem to be adding up for me.”

      Even assuming your many assumptions are all correct, which is rather unlikely, I think you have failed to take into account that Nissan will almost certainly be using LG Chem’s new battery chemistry in its battery packs; a chemistry which is almost certainly significantly cheaper per kWh.

      The plans for nominally “200 mile” EVs from GM and Nissan coincide with a claim for LG Chem that it has developed a “200 mile battery”. Of course, the latter is a meaningless statement taken by itself; batteries can’t go 200 miles or even one inch by themselves, it’s the car that may or may not go 200 miles. But altho nobody has talked about the details, it seems reasonably clear that LG Chem has commercialized a tech which enables them to sell battery cells at an appreciably lower per-kWh price.

    4. MTN Ranger says:

      Considering Nissan’s increase in price to match the increase in battery size, a 40-50kW Leaf will be roughly $40k. I’m betting the Bolt beats it in price.

  28. Josh says:

    This is a great upgrade on the LEAF. And it will probably hit Texas before the Volt 2.0 now.

    I have been sitting on the sidelines waiting since my 2011 LEAF lease ended. I will have to drive both of these and see if I pull the trigger.

    It is real tempting to wait for the LEAF 2.0 redesign, VoltUV, or Model 3. 2 year lease would be good, except in Texas you pay full MSRP sales tax on a lease, making the 2 year deal pretty poor.

    Looks like another 6 months of waiting for me (at a minimum).

  29. Ocean Railroader says:

    This is good but I predict a 30% raise in Leaf sales over the existing leaf sales in 2016. The reason why is this new upgraded leaf will allow people with range needs that are sitting on the boarder line. A example is someone who has a 70 mile round trip with no at work charging.

    But the good news is the guy in that leaf mega commuter story who drives a 110 miles one way in a Nissan leaf to work. He would technically not have to stop for a extra quick charger session on the way to work or back from work.

  30. Tesla: 3000$ for 5 kWh more
    Nissan: 1620$ for 6 kWh more

    1. Ocean Railroader says:

      It does sound like Tesla is making hard profit off of that upgrade. But the reality is Tesla’s upgrade is somewhat unnecessary in that the car already has a 200 mile plus range. While the Nissan leaf upgrade can make or break a 80 mile long car trip.

    2. GeorgeS says:

      Tesla= 70K for 70 kwh
      Nissan 35K for 30

      2 times the price buys 2.3 times the kwh’s

      1. mr. M says:

        Yes but 28k to 63k after tax crédit sounds different.

        1. ericonline says:

          Until you consider the Leaf SV will depreciate to 10k in 3 years.

    3. Josh says:

      They had to build the pack for Model X, so why not make some extra value on it with S.

      The people loading up a performance model will hardly notice the cost. For some people that are really anxious about range will get a little extra security. Remember that the 5 useable kWh upgrade is about 25% of the total range of the original LEAF.

  31. Fabian says:

    This 107 mile Leaf range is not a good offering. The current Kia Soul EV matches or beats this already for the money.

    Onward to the Bolt w/ 200 miles which I will gladly pay a premium for. Sorry Nissan, you got pwned.

    1. kubel says:

      I like the Soul EV, but I disagree that Soul EV matches or beats LEAF range, even if you compare the cheaper cost of the Soul EV.

      Soul EV:
      104 City
      93 Average
      84 Highway

      2016 LEAF SV/SL:
      111 City (assuming 21% increase)
      107 Average (21% increase over 2015)
      102 Highway (assuming 21% increase)

      That makes the LEAF average range 13% better than the Soul EV.

      Soul EVe trim starts at $31,950. LEAF SV trim starts at $34,200. Soul EV is cheaper at a 7% difference. So you pay 7% more for a LEAF and get 13% more range.

      LEAF is a better value if you’re just looking at the average battery range- especially highway range.

      1. Andrew says:

        The Soul EV is tested by the EPA at 90% SOC for range ratings as it has 80% and 100% charge modes.

        Nissan removed its 80% charge mode to game the EPA range ratings, hence the magic bump from 75 to 84 miles or range for the 2014 model year and newer Leafs.

        At 100% SOC the Soul EV has 103 miles of EPA range.

    2. jhm614 says:

      One big difference – it might be hard to buy that Kia. They are available nationwide but they are only selling about 100 per month. That’s not because they can’t sell more, it’s because they don’t want to sell more (yet). Not sure if they are still ramping up or if it’s a really a compliance car or what. Nissan, on the other hand, is trying to sell as many Leafs as they can. They sell 10 to 20 times Leafs as Soul Evs per month.

      1. kubel says:

        Soul EV is limited to California, Georgia, Texas, Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii. The cheapest EV-e trim is only available in California, and sacrifices a heat pump, battery heater, navigation, and backup camera- all standard on the SV.

        The next trim starts at $34,775, more expensive than the LEAF SV, but is more equally equipped.

        I really do like the Soul EV, but the mid-range trim doesn’t represent a better value than the LEAF SV, IMHO.

        The only advantage I can see is a marginally better warranty (10 years instead of 8, but that’s kind of irrelevant unless you drive 10,000 miles per year), better cargo capacity with seats down (worse with seats up).

    3. Timy says:

      Kia is a compliance car while Nissan is the leader. Production of Soul EV is a joke. They produce hundred of thousands gasoline Souls but are not able to produce 5000 Soul EV in one year.

    4. dan says:

      @Fabian

      I actually like the Kia Soul EV, but there’s so much wrong with your post (people still used ‘pwned’?), I had to say something.

      1) The Kia Soul EV has an advertsed 93 mile range (EPA). We can agree that 107 > 93, right?
      2) Plenty of LEAF drivers have exceeded 100 miles with their 24kWh pack.
      3) Are manufacturers not allowed to improve anymore? The Soul EV arrived years after the LEAF, using your logic, Kia got ‘pwned’ for being so late to the market, even the now-discontinued Toyota RAV4 EV does more than 93 miles.
      4) If you are more than willing to pay a premium for 200 miles, no need to wait for the Bolt, A base Model S 70 will do the job (and great deals can be had on a CPO).
      5) The LEAF offers unique features such as LED headlights and All Around View.
      6) The Nissan LEAF is more efficient (since you like specs).
      7) The biggest issue with your post: the world is larger than the Bay Area. It’s almost impossible to get the Soul EV outside the Bay Area, not to mention, production is still very limited.

      Nissan (and Kia for that matter) should be commended for willing to invest so much time & money into a technology which is so misunderstood by so many people.

      Are these vehicles perfect? Far from, but your post your makes you look silly.

    5. Fabian says:

      I have seen more than one reporter comment on how they got ~110 miles out of a KIA Soul without hypermileing.. One of them was our very own Fully Charged host.

      The Bolt is set to hit our California shores in Q4 2016, and that is about 12 months away. We know the price tag will be about 41k after taxes for a 200 mile range car. GM has always under promised and over delivered on its EVs. They would get a lot of bad press if their Bolt did not get at least 190 real miles.

      A new leaf at this time with anything under 120-140 real miles is not a good achievement in my opinion, or it should be cheaper or the same in price. I know 2 persons with 50k mile Leafs which are now only getting 45-50 miles range, which was once ~85 miles for the same commute, which is a ridiculous loss.

      Lastly, paying a premium on a 30k car is something like 10-15k more; not the 80k which is costs get get into a Model S. Love the Model S, but it is in a different category.

      1. Londo Bell says:

        @Fabian,

        Going to rain on your parade – strongly advise you to read a few comments below yours to see how GM did actually over promised and under-delivered – SEVERAL TIMES – with the Volt.

        In fact, some count the current Volt Gen 2 roll out fiasco as the latest example.

      2. kubel says:

        I can get 26mpg out of my Crown Vic. That doesn’t mean it gets better gas mileage than a Taurus.

        Put the same driver behind the wheel of both cars, and you’ll get more range out of the LEAF every time. It’s clearly superior in every way.

  32. David says:

    Early impressions aren’t as positive as I would have hoped.

    Price increase – not good.

    30kwh battery can’t be used in older LEAFs. I don’t understand this thinking. That is going to hurt the brand and further hurt resale value on the LEAF.

    Rear heated seats, LED and auto headlights are now only available with leather in the SL.

    Range increase isn’t as much as I hoped. 110 sounds so much better somehow.

    I’m putting my money down on the Tesla 3 when preorders start next year. Whatever Tesla comes out with will be killer. I’m not sure what to do until then.

  33. Gunnar says:

    Fantastic to see an electric car with a reasonable price-tag!!! I am shopping for one, but I can not drive a car so strange looking – with weird stunted proportions. I am still looking for a “good looking” ev car…!???!!

  34. Speculawyer says:

    Nice. It is not the 200+ miles that people want but they’ve also kept the price down. And going from 83 to 107 miles really is a big deal. At least it sure would be big for me because it would put trips to nearby cities within easy reach without requiring charging.

  35. Speculawyer says:

    $1600 more to get 6KWH more battery?

    $1600/6KWH = $266.67/KWH . . . It would seem foolish not to get that additional battery.

    1. arne-nl says:

      Yeah, I wish they would offer another 6 kWh extra for $ 1600 and get 130 mile range.

  36. Brian says:

    I’m absolutely shocked to see so many comments here about the Bolt and 200 mile BEVs, when those are all ~1.5-2 years off. I thought most readers here would be “in the know” that Nissan will also have a 150-200 mile Leaf at that time. This 30kWh Leaf is just a stop-gap, not a Bolt competitor.

    What this means is that many people will be blown away when the Leaf 2.0 actually does get announced in another year and a half or so.

  37. anthony says:

    I’m already getting close to 100 miles on my 2015 Nissan Leaf SL. My first gen leaf would only get 70. My round trip from work was 64 so the 2015 was much improved battery chemistry/density wise.

    1. AlanSqB says:

      I think we got a taste of the special sauce in the ’15s. I seem to get much better range than others I have talked to with earlier MYs. Just hope it holds out with no bars lost for 1.5 more years until the 3 year lease is up.

  38. Mister G says:

    Bye bye 2012 Leaf hello 2016 Leaf

  39. GeorgeS says:

    Any of you guys familiar with sweet Leaf lease deals on earlier models want to speculate on what kind of decent lease deals Nissan might offer on the 30 kwh SV?

  40. James says:

    Back in the day of hope and change, I remember all the meetings and introductions proclaiming the LEAF was to be a 100 mile range EV. It was kind of like a political campaign. Once in office, expectations were relaxed, and the “100 mile Nissan LEAF” became the 80 mile Nissan LEAF when brand new, and 70 mile Nissan LEAF in a year or two ( unless there are hills on your route, or the weather is not ideal – then it’s the 60 mile Nissan LEAF )…

    What endures in my mind about GM is that they overbuilt the Volt and generally under-promised and over-delivered on every point. The 40 mile range proclamation really was 40 miles – and the durability of the Volt is off the charts. The LEAF had major problems in hot and cold climates, yet still survived unscathed. Today, we are supposed to be all excited 4 years later – about an air-cooled LEAF with the range it was supposed to have from the beginning – for a greater cost to the consumer!

    1. kubel says:

      To be fair, the Volt was pitched as a series hybrid with 40 miles of range and a bold design utilizing a new 1.0L genset.

      We got a parallel-series hybrid with 35 miles of range (later squeezed 38 miles out of it) and a less bold design using an 1.4L that dates back to the mid-90s.

      In all ways that matter, the Volt didn’t live up to the original hype. That’s not to say the Volt wasn’t an over-engineered marvel, and that you can’t get more than 35/38 miles out of it, but to say GM under-promised and over-delivered isn’t accurate.

    2. GeorgeS says:

      James,
      I was around during those times also. I can remember being disappointed that GM missed their targets. As kubel pointed out they missed AER. They also missed CS mode MPG by a mile. GM was saying close to 50 MPG and they got like 36.

      Of course after all my whining about missing their targets it still ended up being a great car.

    3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      James said:

      “What endures in my mind about GM is that they overbuilt the Volt and generally under-promised and over-delivered on every point.”

      The amount of revisionist history practiced by several GM fans — not just one — posting to InsideEVs is absolutely amazing.

      I don’t think GM “underpromised” on its claim for “230 MPG” for the Volt 1.0.

      I don’t think GM “overdelivered” on its claim for 40 miles of electric range for the Volt 1.0; the EPA rated it at 35 miles.

      I don’t think GM deserves any accolades for honest marketing, when they claimed the Volt was a pure serial hybrid, then later lamely claimed they lied “to protect their patents”. Really? In what way did that lie make it easier to patent Voltec?

      And then even after they admitted the Volt isn’t a pure serial hybrid, they still continued to lie for no discernible reason, claiming there is “no mechanical connection” between the Volt’s gas motor and the wheels.

      Now, GM deserves much praise for its superior engineering of the Volt 1.0. And it’s nice to see that they’re finally, if belatedly, offering some improvements in the Volt 2.0, improving the gas consumption (MPG) and no longer requiring use of Premium gasoline.

      But the lies put out by their marketing are both notorious and shameful.

      1. Jeff N says:

        Yes. No.

        I agree that GM’s dissembling was pathetic with regards to series vs series/parallel and whether or not the engine had a mechanical connection to the wheels. I don’t take their patent filing claim at face value either. I tend to suspect that they were unsure if they would be able to design the fancy transmission in time and so perhaps hewed to the series design story in case they had to fall-back on a simpler but less efficient design.

        Remember that GM was being unusually forthcoming with engineering information and progress reports during the design of the car between its concept reveal in 2007 and first customer delivery in late 2010. If it were an ordinary car model, they would have said nothing until they were all finished and knew it would all work.

        So, I don’t really blame them for setting series mode as the baseline expectation but I do blame them for weak and confused dissembling when the series/parallel design became apparent in the final product. Some of their tap dancing around the topic was probably due to irrational attitudes regarding the alleged purity of series mode by some plugin advocates.

        The “230 mpg” thing is way overplayed. EPA was, in fact, weighing a proposal to include a combined gas plus electric driving cycle rating that might well have produced a 230 mpg rating under the pending formula. GM was premature in touting it but it’s a legitimate type of estimate that is based on reasonable assumptions of how typical drivers might use the car.

        In fact, Europe actually adopted a similar proposal and the 2011 Volt/Ampera was rated under these NEDC rules as being 196 mpg (US) and 235 mpg (UK).

        As for the projected 40 miles of EV range, this was originally stated bybGM in 2007 as a pre-2008 EPA city cycle test range, not as a post-2008 EPA combined city/highway range estimate

        In fact, the 2011 Volt quite likely met this pre-2008 EPA city cycle target. In 2008, the EPA revised their mpg estimate calculation formula downward to be more conservative and produce mpg estimates that more realistically match Anerican driving behavior. There is a feature on the fueleconomy.gov website that lets you see how pre-2008 cars would have been rated by EPA under that older formula.

        The more generous European NEDC (city-oriented) EV range estimate, which would have been loosely similar to a pre-2008 EPA city cycle test, for the 2011 Volt/Ampera was 83 km (51-52 miles) but was only 35 miles under the post-2008 EPA city/highway combined EV range estimate.

        Finally, I agree that GM clearly missed their 50 mpg gas-only target (even when accounting for pre vs. post 2008 EPA estimate formulas).

    4. Michael says:

      Spot on James.. notice here in europe a lot of people have negative opinions about the volt/ampera but actually know very little about the car. I get 50 miles range in the summer .. and in CS mode 50mpg (imperial) overall north of 205 mpg.

  41. gannet says:

    I like this new Leaf but our experience with buying a new Leaf (2014) from the Nissan dealership was such a haggling nightmare that I don’t want to go through it again!

    1. kubel says:

      You’re supposed to do the haggling via email. Bounce offers off other dealerships in the area, and have them compete with themselves until they deliver the best deal. Never step foot into a dealership until you’ve negotiated the price. If they go back on their price, walk out.

      1. GeorgeS says:

        Yeh that’s what I did with the Volt. It was a lease deal. I had a spreadsheet of the GM offering before I talked to them. They did not have a clue about the factory lease offering so I had to straighten them out on that over the phone…..but miraculously after that the numbers lined up and it was a go. All numbers agreed on without setting foot on the dealers lot.

        I’ve found in many cases just talk to the manager of fleet sales.

    2. Nate says:

      Please don’t hold that against Nissan. Their dealers are independently owned businesses. Outside of Tesla, the same thing could happen with other makes.

      I agree with the other tips people replied with. Also, if you are replacing a car I recommend taking the effort to sell it yourself instead of trading. Even when they are doing the best they can to earn your business, they have a lot more people that have to get a cut. If they show you what you want for it, they are booking it in for less due to having excess profit in the car you are buying.

      Better luck next time.

  42. Kaleb says:

    I love how people are comparing the 107 mile LEAF to cars that don’t even exist.

    I support Nissan’s additional range offering to fill the gap until such time it is cost effective to provide a higher range model.

  43. Seth says:

    Still no 3 phase charging for europe, that’s a silly. That’s the best thing about the european grid, easy access to 3 phase for the same price as single phase.

    It makes no sense though, the Renault Zoe does have 3 phase charging, so they know what the deal is. Also, the Renault Zoe uses the regen capability of the motor driver for charging the battery, which is really nice from a innovation standpoint, instead of a seperate charger.

    Single phase charging needs to go away for europe, really.

    A single phase 35A circuit costs the same as a 3x25A circuit. But whilst the 35A single phase only allows for 25A charger installation ~5.7kW, the 3x25A allows for a 3x16A charger installation for 11kW.

    It also loads the grid far more evenly then pulling a single phase really hard compared to the rest of neighbourhood. That can cause quite a few NULL lines to go up in smoke.

    1. Bill Howland says:

      Well, you have to consider that even all of Europe is not the same: Many British streets have 230/460 volt distribution (only 230 volts in the houses): effectively every other house is in series with each other and it makes the distribution from the utility’s point of view an easy 460 volt problem. They can use 1/4 of the aluminum needed for an equivalent loading in the states or else space the distribution transformers 4 times as far. But in any event, all of this is single phase on the street and three phase, while much more widely available residentially in Britain than in residential areas in the states, still means there are streets without 3 phase available.

      Other ‘central european’ countries such as mostly electric France, or Germany may have very common 3 phase, and disallow any single phase imballances over 16 or over 20 amps depending on the country.

      I thought Nissan years ago handled the problem brilliantly: Have 3300 watt single phase charging worldwide, then use a Chademo jack for higher power, usually 3 phase charging.

      You Have the USA and Canada to blame for muddying the single-phase issue: THe vast majority of public docking stations installed here were 30 amps, not 16 which would be therefore worldwide compatible, but 30 which would mostly be compatible in Britain, Russia and China, but would be violations in France, Italy, Switzerland, and Germany.

      So since we in the states have all these public facilities good for some sort of single phase 30 or 32 amps, we want the cars to be able to charge at these currents, but that messes up the situation for our European friends such that BMW has to have different charging arrangements in the states, (32 amps 1 phase in NA, or 10 amps 3 phase in Germany, with J1772 or Mennekes coneectors respectively). Tesla also has to have 2 different ‘model s’s’. One for North American and one for Europe.

      Since the states will continue to ‘love’ 1 phase for residential applications, and Europe, with the British exception noted above will generally prefer 3 phase, it looks like there will always be 2 different methods and therefore a defacto lack of standardization, unfortunately.

      1. Absolutely correct. We have no control over single and three phase availability, and it won’t change any time soon (certainly not in my lifetime).

        So, Nissan has the correct charging application that will work worldwide. “Low powered” single phase works worldwide, and “high powered” DC also works everywhere. Yes, they could also offer a third method, three phase AC, but that would only be for niche markets, and not the way a “world car” would be equipped.

        The Renault cars aren’t offered in North America, nor would it work very well with three phase AC charging.

  44. Steven says:

    So, as a 2015 Leaf SL owner with 10500 miles on the car, who needs the longer range of the 16 model, will it be better to keep the 15 and buy a 30 KW battery from a financial stand point? Will Nissan require a core trade in? Or could we sell our lizard batteries to 11/12 owners who need them? How much will Nissan give us for our Lizard batteries in trade for the 30 KWs?

    That is, what is the upgrade going to cost? I’m guessing Nissan isn’t going to give owners enough for our used 13/14/15’s to even lease a 16 SV/SL being many of us will be under water on loans on 14s and 15s because of all the lease returns Nissan put out there. What will Nissan do to maintain customer brand loyalty? Where is the savings going electric, if some one buys a used 15 SL for $21000 and one year later is told at trade in time when a more usable range car is available, that his car is only worth $13000? That’s $8000 depreciation of a used car in less than a year. If I had bought a one year old gas Versa would it have depreciated $8000? So the real cost of going electric by the time you figure in the high depreciation may be prohibitive for the majority of Americans.

    I couldn’t qualify to lease a new Leaf at the time I bought mine used, and like most Americans today, I don’t earn enough to get a tax credit. $21000 at the time I bought my car was way below book value, and when I recently explored the idea of leasing a new Kia Soul Ev, which has a little more range, I was offered $14000 for my trade in. LOL. That was the end of that idea. I’m not complaining about the price I paid. It is a great car, but it doesn’t have the range I need. Still, I had to jump in some time to help climate change.

    This lease thing reminds me of the housing bubble. It’s safe to Lease/rent. But don’t even think about buying. Not even used unless it’s really cheap, because you will never be in any position to upgrade to the longer range if you need it. I can buy a lot of gas for $8000 in a year. And I can get the next greatest gas thing every couple of years. It’s national drive electric week and I am going to an event. What am I going to tell average Americans that are interested in going electric? What have I learned? Don’t buy a new EV unless you are rich. Don’t buy a used one unless it is really really cheap, because as the range technology gets better, you will be stuck with the old one forever, or lose your shirt selling it when the time comes to get a new one.

    Yes the cost operation is low, but the resale is so low that you would be better off financially to stick with a gas car. If you drive any distances, you are going to sit at a lot of charging stations. For hours if it’s level two. The cars are quieter and are nicer to drive than gas, but compared to a gas car, you won’t get nearly as nice of an interior for the same money. Don’t buy a used EV with the hopes of saving money unless you are going to have the car forever and can live with the limited range. The reason to buy a used EV if you can’t lease a new one is to help avert climate change, because the planets life support system is dying, and being we live in a predatory capitalistic market system run by corporations and people who put profits over people and the climate, ” Psychopaths ” expect those around you who continue to drive gas cars putting poisons into atmosphere to do well while you pay the price financially.

    Maybe the car company will offer upgrades for a reasonable cost as they become available. But not likely because most corporations are all about profit even if climate change means their children’s children have no future. Maybe Nissan thinks differently. We can hope. Ether way. If we don’t elect another F. D.Roosevelt soon. It doesn’t matter what you drive, cause it’s game over for future generations and weather hell for the current population.

    Happy drive electric week and good luck trying to convince average people living on todays wages to go electric unless they can lease a new one some how or get a really cheep used one. The responsible thing for Nissan is to offer battery upgrades at a reasonable cost if they are serious about ever selling EVs, new or used. So sad because I really really love my Leaf, but how can I recommend one to my friends knowing they may lose their shirt. Sorry for the anger. I am not mad at Nissan. I am grateful they are building EVs. I am not happy living in a rigged system that rewards those who do little about climate change, and financially penalize the heck out of those who take responsibility and try to do something about it.

    1. Erik says:

      Just be glad you didn’t buy a ’12 right before they announced a the major price drop on the ’13s

    2. kubel says:

      Those who purchased a 2011/2012 LEAF did so at great risk. I chose to lease to place the risk on Nissan rather than me.

      As an early adopter, you still qualify for the $1000 owner loyalty cash towards the purchase or lease of a new Nissan, including the 2016 LEAF. If you signed up for one-to-one rewards, you should have $250 that you can also use towards a new 2016 as well.

      As far as battery- Nissan has only an announced pricing on the 2011-2015 pack. There’s no info yet on 2016+.

    3. LEAF_n_PiP says:

      I have 10,200 miles on my 2015 LEAF SV w/LED+QC and am in the same boat. I assumed the 2015+2016 would be the same (since 2011+2012 was one run and 2013+2014 was another), but my prediction was wrong. I would love the 30kWh battery, but I would get eaten alive on a trade-in at this point, and it’s unlikely the 2016 will have decent incentives right off the bat like the 2015s did.

      I forgot something at home this morning and had to turn around, doing an extra unexpected 25 miles this morning, so I stopped for a 15 minute QC to get me through the rest of the day (which took me from 29% to 83% while on a phone call). SoCal is having a heat wave right now, and today was the first day my LEAF got up to 8 bars on the temperature display (putting me a bit uneasy since it was the first time I saw that many). However, I did a battery check yesterday and am still at 292 GIDs, so hopefully today’s 8 bar temp reading won’t be too harmful.

    4. JackDFW says:

      “So, as a 2015 Leaf SL …. Or could we sell our lizard batteries to 11/12 owners who need them? …..”

      This could be a great idea… the cost of upgrade could be shared… Both get more range…

    5. Londo Bell says:

      Hate to ask, but are you new to purchasing things?

      There were hardly any retrofit on vehicles between old and new version, in the past.

      Same for even electronics today – iPhone, laptop, etc.

      More importantly, not even Tesla can do it for all of its models, afaik.

      Retrofitting a battery is NOT just about retrofitting a battery, like many have speculated in the business. It involves changes in the software and computer hardware inside the vehicle. There may also be minute changes in hardware such as bracelets, connectors, etc. that make the change extremely difficult.

      Even for the older LEAF to retrofit the lizard battery, the cost for the job is about $600. Now, the battery itself is about $5000-6000, so you are talking about some $6K or more with taxes and labor.

      A 11/12 LEAF worths roughly that much btw. Putting a new battery does NOT increase the “value” of the vehicle at all either, in terms of used car prices.

      In case you don’t know, in the auto business, most vehicles nowadays – non-luxury – are being sold the same way as appliances: you just throw them away when you are done, rather than fixing them to make them useable again.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Well said.

        Those who think a battery upgrade for their BEV will be either easily available or cheap, are in for a rude awakening.

        Tesla and the Roadster is definitely an exception. And since Tesla only sold about 2500 Roadsters, it won’t be that big a burden on the company or its service centers.

        1. jim stack says:

          LEAF for LIFE, That’s what the LEAF is if you can replace the battery. An upgrade would be a real added bonus. Almost all the components in the LEAF like the AC motor ,Controller , On board charger should last a very long time. By replacing the battery it can LAST for LIFE, and with ZERO pollution is saves a few lives too.
          Just wait until we have some 1 Million mile older electrics that just keep going with hardly any replacement parts. I think the Tesla S will get there first.

        2. Nate says:

          Yep. People get their hopes up based on speculation. Not good.

          Also, if an upgrade even ends up being available to previous model years, it would be a much higher percentage of the car’s current value compared to a Te$la.

    6. arne-nl says:

      Uuhm Steven, we all want EV’s to get better and cheaper.

      So, Nissan is continuously improving the LEAF, making it a better car with higher range and a lower price. And that is a GOOD thing. Now here you are, complaining that Nissan is destroying your resale value. Typical case of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”.

      You could have realized this before you bought your LEAF. Everybody knows EV technology is improving fast, much faster than ICE vehicles. And yes, that inevitably affects resale value.

      Maybe next time you go shopping for a car, go for the old, mature, proven technology and leave cutting edge technology for others. There are risks to being an early adopter.

      1. Or just lease the car. No depreciation!!!

        Just make your monthly payments, and hand it over at the end.

  45. jzj says:

    My 2010 Leaf was rated at 84 mile range and at 100% charge was good for maybe 80 miles at 65 mph on fairly level ground (no AC, no heat). So, a pretty close-to-accurate rating. However, my 2013 RAV4 is rated at 108 mile range but at 100% charge is it good for at least 130 miles under the same conditions. I think the rating system changed (stupidly, to 90% charging) between 2010 and 2013. So, does the 107 mile range estimate for this new Leaf reflect optimism or conservatism? I’d say, with 30KWH, it’s optimistic.

    1. arne-nl says:

      Was your 2010 LEAF rated at 84 miles? Are you sure?

      Afaik the 2010 was rated at 75 miles and the 2013 at 84 and you’re mixing up some numbers.

      1. Jay Cole says:

        While technically you are right about the overall EPA number, that was a blended 80%/100% charged number, so when jzj says “was rated at 84 mile range and at 100% charge”, that is prob what he meant? IDK

        …although there was no 2010 model year LEAF, so everyone wins – and loses on this one, (=

        1. arne-nl says:

          I was not talking 80/100% blended rating or 100% rating. I was talking about the difference between the 2010 (2011) model and the 2013 model.

          There was a marked range improvement from the 2011 to the 2013 LEAF. My memory failed me slightly, I was two miles off for the 2011 LEAF: 73 miles at 100% charge.

          To recap, the relevant numbers are:
          2011 LEAF, 100%: 73 miles
          2013 LEAF, 80/100%: 75 miles
          2013 LEAF, 100% : 84 miles

          The 84 mile range that jzj mentions is for the 2013 LEAF. That was the mixup that I think jzj was making: the 2011 model was never rated at 84 miles, and never has been rated for the 80/100% thing.

          65 mph highway range for the LEAF is then 10% more than EPA. For the RAV4 it is 20%. So the case jzj is trying to make is a bit more favourable towards Nissan.

    2. All 24kWh LEAFs will drive about 85-ish miles of range when at 62mph (100km) ground speed on a level, no wind, hard surface roadway with no heater and a NEW condition battery at 70F/20C or above temperatures.

      Here the LEAF official government rated range worldwide:

      124 miles = 200km Japan “EPA” rating for 2011-2012
      142 miles = 228km Japan “EPA” for 2013

      109 miles = 175km UK / Euro 2011-2012
      124 miles = 199km UK / Euro 2013-2014

      Here the LEAF official US government range:

      73 miles = EPA-USA 2011-2012 (EPA LA4 “city cycle” @ 19.59mph average, minus 30%)

      75 miles = EPA-USA 2013 (EPA “5 cycle”, average of 66 EPA miles range for 80% and 84 EPA miles for 100%)

      84 miles = EPA-USA 2014-2015 (EPA “5 cycle” test, 100% charge only)

      *******

      The 2012-2014 was never officially offered anywhere except California, USA, so it only has a U.S. government EPA blended rating of 103, based on 92 miles at 80% and 113 miles at 100% charge.

      *******

      The actual distance that the two cars can go at 62mph ground speed is:

      LEAF – 85 miles (4.0 miles per kWh * 21.3kWh usable)
      RAV4 EV – 142 miles (3.4 miles per kWh * 41.8kWh usable)

  46. Rich says:

    “hybrid heater system that provides superior cold weather performance while consuming less energy”
    Is this something new or are they referring to the heat pump added in 2014 models?

    1. GeorgeS says:

      Heat pump AFAIK.
      It’s kind of a “must have” for me.

  47. Jim Bo says:

    That takes Focus Electric and E Golf off the list.

  48. Mike777 says:

    What kind of range does it have at 65 mph on the highway, and at 70 mph on the highway?

    1. Mr. m says:

      around 25% more than before

    2. kubel says:

      Over 100 miles. 🙂

    3. Since the 30kWh nearly weighs the same as the 24kWh version, it should do the following at 65mph indicated on the speedometer when the battery is warm and in like new condition, with ZERO heater use:

      24kWh LEAF – 85 miles (4.0 miles per kWh * 21.3kWh usable)

      30kWh LEAF = 107 miles (4.0 miles per kWh * 26.5kWh usable)

  49. Bob says:

    I’m unimpressed. I’ll wait for the Gen 2 Leaf or perhaps the Tesla 3 or 2016 Chevy Volt.

  50. Londo Bell says:

    1 thing that seems to be buried with Nissan PR (unspoken so to speak) is the end of the line for Nissan CarWings in US. It seems to be replaced by Nissan Connect EV starting from MY16.

    Wonder if InsideEVs can confirm…?

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Yes indeed, CarWings is in fact out/displaced by NissanConnect EV

  51. Lindsay Patten says:

    It will be interesting to see what effect this has on sales of the other 80 mile range EVs.

  52. Mr. m says:

    Imagine they double the battery for the Leaf 2.0. That would be awesome and 60kWh would be a true 200 mile BEV.

    48 kWh at the S trim
    60 kWh at the SV/SL trim

    That would be cool… What would you expect them to cost?

    I think the new battery is going to be around 40% cheaper. Therefore double the battery would be only 1.2 times as expensive as a battery today. We know the replacement is around 6.000$ (with the old battery returned). If you expect the battery cost to be 8.000-10.000$ now, the new one will be only 9.600-12.000$.

    Or said another way, only 1.600-2000$ more than the old battery, for double the range (40% cost decline assumed)!!!

    1. I don’t honestly see Nissan doing 60kWh on the LEAF 2.0.

      40-50kWh max. Yes, they will call it a “200” or “250” mile car, but the EPA will call is at about 150-185 miles.

      1. mr. M says:

        50kWh usable would result in ~ 198miles EPA. That should be ok. But please not 50kWh complete, with 45kWh usable… Everything below 180 EPA would be diapointing.

  53. mike w. says:

    More range is great. I also like that the battery warranty is 8 years instead of 5.Improved chemistry is good. Nissan should do well with this model.

  54. Roger Thiessen says:

    I have a 4 yr old Leaf and I get 78 miles of
    range. It just seems to me there has to be a
    National standard for Batteries. If a large
    Tesla can go up to 250 mile range, why can’t
    my small Leaf only get an average of 84?

    1. You’ll have to excuse me, as this seems to be a spoof. Heck, my electric golf cart can only go 15 miles!!! Oh, the horror!

      Your LEAF has 24kWh battery. The smallest battery in any Tesla car was 53kWh in the Roadster. They are up to 90kWh.

      Does it need any further explanation? The battery is over 300% bigger, but the car isn’t 300% bigger.

    2. mr. M says:

      There is a national and even international standard. Battery capacity is measured in kWh. Everywhere. You don’t have to compare a 4gallon battery to a 17 ballen hey battery to a 43 kWh battery.

      If you are asking for the same kWh battery in every car this is nonsense. A 200kWh is maybe minimum for a truck. But will result in a non drivable Leaf due to weight. Thats like asking to having the same 4 colors available for all cars, because you “need” a standard for compare.

    3. kubel says:

      There’s already a national standard. It’s called “You get what you pay for”.

  55. kubel says:

    Update: Per EPA, estimated range on the SV/SL is 124 miles city, 101 miles highway.

    1. kubel says:

      Edit: Disregard above, misread the fine print.

  56. DaveinOlyWA says:

    should have your article first. at least your price quotes make stense but your 2015 SV pric is without fast charge which was a $1630 option, so the price incrase was a bit better

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Again, that is a slippery slope because the full sticker value of a forced option shouldn’t really be added to/equated to a former MSRP

      For instance if the new base S-trim LEAF now added leather, 7″ screen, QC port, solar panel and 17″ wheels standard and was priced at $32,000 … that would be a “value” if you are looking at the big picture and you want that stuff, but it raises the barrier to entry overall. Nobody actually needs all that stuff, and if they did, they would just buy the options in the past.

      For a lot of people, especially those on EV #2,3,4..9, that QC option is one they would NOT pay for, as many are realizing how very little (if at all) they used them on their last car (because they have L2 and the proliferation of L@ spots).

      Myself, I have had several LEAFs, and I have never actually “needed” to use the system (the moments I have been “caught” low charge there was no QC available, but a 6.6 kW L2 was just fine)…so I don’t want that option, at all, and now it is forced on me.

      Also, the real world value/cost of adding a QC port if only a fraction of the $1,630 (lights were a much bigger portion of cost…but those are now N/A on the EV).

      All the cost is in the external hardware for QC/DC…which is part of the real value of DC charging, and why the market will ultimately go in that direction.

      ….all that being said, that is why we don’t suss out the variables behind the pricing structure at the top of the article. It is just too much and 95% of the people reading the story just want the ‘meat-and-potatoes’ of “how far, how much and when”

  57. Brad says:

    With 8 cells per pack crammed in the same space, expect to see battery heat dissipation related issues without active cooling.

    1. kubel says:

      With an 8 year / 100,000 mile warranty, I don’t think there’s much cause for concern.

  58. Glen says:

    The larger battery sounds great, but deals on 2015 models look too good to pass up. My local dealer has three 2015 S LEAFs which have been unsold since at least February. Another regional dealer advertises a 2015 LEAF-S with MSRP of $31,280 for $23,969 after applying the NMAC $5,000 rebate. Obviously, the LEAF has not been not selling well in this area so I suspect the dealers will be hesitant to stock the 2016 models.

    Based on previous years’ experience, what do you think the chances are of significant discounts on the 2016 when it arrives at the dealer? $34,200 for a 2016-SV is a big jump from $23,969.

    1. kubel says:

      I don’t think 2016+ will be stocked, so don’t expect many discounts. The dealer that I bought my LEAF from stopped stocking LEAFs about a year ago.

  59. Pete says:

    I also surprised many talk about Bolt, but who can give something on GMs promise. I think main aim was destroying selling numbers from NISSAN!
    Perhaps in the end we will see a big disappointment from GM.
    In the video GM releaed testing the Bolt ist looks so tiny, i think 200 miles EPA are note possible and GM didn’t say EPA.
    Perhaps they mean European cycle in which the LEAF 2016 get 155 miles…
    Or GM will let pay every extra with some thousand dollars.

  60. Hal says:

    I had a 2011 leaf. Loved it. I’m glad to see its getting more range. This upgrade should of happened in the second year. This update should have new body style.

  61. Don H says:

    Without reading through over two hundred comments has it been determined that the 2016 S model will accept the larger battery… Say, for the future? You would think so but stranger things have happened.

  62. David S. says:

    Hihgway MPGe on the 24 kWh LEAF is 101 not 108
    It’s probably the same on the 30 kWh model

  63. Epicurus says:

    EPA est. range 107 miles. European estimate: 155 miles.

    How can there be that much of a discrepancy?

    1. kubel says:

      European tests focus less on highway and more on city and ‘idling’ efficiency.

  64. Michael Will says:

    Pretty cool, should buy this for me wife as she is cutting it tight with the 24kW battery in her day to day driving.

    The european range number mentioned is probably meaningless though, as the european equivalent of EPA is utterly corrupt and in bed with the car industry.

    This goes for both gas cars MPG and electric range.

    A volkswagen jetta claiming to have up to 60 MPG there only has an EPA rating of up to 32 MPG in the US, and that is probably really what you will see in real life, the 60 MPG are complete phantasy.

    The e-Golf with its 24kWh battery has an EPA rating of 86 miles range, and the display shows > 100 miles range but when you actually drive it depending on driving style and city/highway you will see between 75 and 90 miles roundtrip in real life.

    The website Volkswagen.de hides the actual range promise but claims mixed driving is 12.7kWh/100km so that is 62.1371 miles for 12.7kWh, the battery has 24 kWh of which you can use about 22 kWh so that would put the range at 107 miles which again is not realistic at all.

    I really hope the diesel fake number scandal will shake things up enough so they clean up house and don’t let car manufacturers get away with lying to the customers as much anymore.

    1. SparkEV fan says:

      eGolf is rated 83 miles, not 86. Here’s another “interesting” fact about eGolf. It’s rated at 116 MPGe. Their range (83) divided by battery (24 kWh) multiplied by 33.7 kWh/gallon of gas = 116.5 MPGe. Coincidence or did they simply run the number and not actually test it? In fact, what is MPGe? Fraud?

      http://sparkev.blogspot.com/2015/09/mpge-fraud.html

  65. SparkEV fan says:

    Is bigger battery necessarily a good thing? If battery price drops to $125/kWh after 8 years and must be replaced, that’ll be $3750, or over $4000 with install. Will people spend that kind of money on 8 year old car or will they just take it to the junk yard? I guess we’ll see how it’ll go, but for longevity and reuse instead of recycle, smaller battery might be better.

  66. Skryll says:

    Charge times in the article seem wrong, at 6.6 kW/h it takes 3.6 hours to fill up the 24 kWh battery, 4.5 hours for the 30 kWh.

    Or is there something wrong with this calculation? It certainly is true for my VW e-golf, its 24 kWh battery is fully charged after 3.5 hours at my L2 charger in the garage.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      The charge accepted is not linear, it tapers lower depending on the SoC the car is currently at. The larger battery does still allow for it to be ‘proportionally’ faster, although not to the degree of the QCing in the sweet spot.

  67. Leftie says:

    I currently lease a 2013 SV. I’m quite fond of the car, and was thinking about buying it off lease, but if I can affordably lease a 2016 SV, and get both 20+ more miles of range and the QC port my car lacks (of course, no QC stations here either, yet!) then that is probably what I’ll do. I’d also get a new 3 year warranty, as opposed to “no warranty” (except on major drive components) if I buy my 2013. I think the one-off 2016 will appeal to a lot of people like me, with older Leafs, who don’t need 150 mile range but do need a decent lease price and want a new battery pack…