2016 BYD e6 To Get Increased Range

2 years ago by Mark Kane 41

BYD e6

BYD e6

BYD e6

BYD e6

BYD often states that its e6 all-electric car, offered mostly to fleets, has up to 186 miles (300 km) of range using over 60 kWh of energy.

Real-world range however is typically much lower (~140 miles), but BYD notes that there is a plan to increase the e6’s range by one third to up to 400 km (250 miles).

According to ChinaAutoWeb, China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology released a list of upcoming EVs qualified for sales tax exemption.  The list includes a new version of the 2016 e6 (BYD 7006BEVH).

The battery pack will be increased to 82 kWh (weight of 700 kg) and range will move to 400 km. Curb weight of the car will be 2,420 kg / 5,335 lbs.

e6 always was a heavy vehicle, but now despite more battery capacity, its weight will raise only slightly. The reason is significantly higher energy density – 150 Wh/kg instead of 117 Wh/kg (we believe at the cell level).

“Compared with the current, 2014/2015 model, the 2016 e6 will be even heavier (2420 kg vs 2380 kg in curb weight) and can cover a longer distance on one charge (400 km vs. 300 km). More importantly, it gets larger, better battery. The battery pack not only is heavier (700 kg vs. 600 kg) but has increased energy density of about 117 Wh per kilogram; that is, it stores 82 kWh of electricity, compared with the 60 kWh on the old one (although BYD claims that its new LFP battery has an energy density of about 150 Wh per kilogram).”

Sounds great, and if e6 gest new batteries, then all the other cars and buses from BYD  should soon too.

Source: ChinaAutoWeb

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41 responses to "2016 BYD e6 To Get Increased Range"

  1. Big Solar says:

    why dont we have a car like this here?????

    1. philip d says:

      A Tesla S70D would be a better buy with similar price, similar range, more cargo volume and far, far superior performance and charging infrastructure.

      I don’t have any current information but this is from a 2013 Autocar review 2 years ago.

      “Before getting into what the car is actually like to drive from Mr. Cropley, we have to mention the price – £47,000, that is equal to over $73,000 USD”
      “With a weight of 2380kg (5,247 lbs), it should comes as no surprise that the e6 only managed a 0-60 time of about 15 seconds.”

      This sluggishness comes from its 90 kW motor.

      And it seems that with the newer pack that has 82 kWh it’s range won’t be really any greater than a S70D because of the extra weight.

      It also says surprisingly that it has only 385 L cargo volume which is 13.6 cubic feet. That is almost as small as the Volt.

      1. philip d says:

        Many other sites claim that they want to bring it here for $35,000 but they revised that goal in 2013. “In May 2013, BYD announced that the e6 will be sold in the US only to fleet consumers for US$52,000”

        I found this on Wikipedia. “There are four different power combinations for the e6: 101 hp (75 kW), 101+54 hp (75+40 kW), 215 hp (160 kW) and 215+54 hp (160+40 kW).”

        It’s not clear if the base $52,000 price would include the 75 kW motor with prices going up from their. That would probably be the case.

        1. Jay Cole says:

          Philip,

          It is really about the actual landed price to the consumer in China. The BYD e6 after subsidies can go for as low as ~248,000 RMB – about $39,900 USD. Whereas the Model S 70D starts around RMB 685,000 (no subsidies) or $110,000.

          I will say BYD had some pretty crazy initial thoughts when it came to the US, both for the e6 and their PHEV (F3DM – which later morphed into the Qin). The PHEV was supposed to be $29,000 pre-incentives in the US.

          BYD ended up ‘officially’ saying neither would be coming to the US because of the charging infrastructure (or lack thereof)…but truth be told, it was very clear what the infrastructure was when they first announced their intention to sell in the US, and the idea was turfed in under 3 years.

          In reality (and thinking about it logically), the more likely reason that BYD made those statements/had those intentions to come to the US, then retreated, is because of the timing.

          More specifically, BYD announced intentions in 2010 to come to the US market, was at a time when “plug-in fever” and crazy high sales estimates where the norm in the US – at that point, BYD was looking to invest and ‘get their piece’ of the pie. However, with the arrival of the Volt and LEAF in December of 2010 came a sales reality check…and BYD quickly pulled the plug at selling to the public outside of at home.

          1. EVfans says:

            before incentive it is 360k rmb

            close to 60k dollar

            1. Jay Cole says:

              Yes true, but in the US, no one pays the MSRP either. However in China, if your EV isn’t part of a locally made/JV set-up, you will pay MSRP. So the MSRP of the 70D matters, the e6 MSRP doesn’t. The point is, the spread between the e6 and the 70D is enormous…these cars aren’t being cross-shopped in any way.

              Truthfully, the ByD e6 badly needs an upgrade to compete with its own sister-product – the Denza EV (which is a JV between Daimler and BYD).

              Having seen/tested both cars ourselves, the Denza EV (details/pics) is a far superior product for about the same price (~253,000 RMB after subsidy). The Denza EV has a smaller battery (48 kWh usable), but is a much more efficient vehicle, so they both get around 130-140 miles real world range…however, the interior of the Denza is far superior, front seating is first rate, back seating are world’s apart, good storage, 18″ wheels, up to 22 kW home charging, etc

              1. Robb Stark says:

                But the spread would be tiny in the US.

                Per “why don’t we have a car like this here.”

              2. EVfans says:

                firstly they both can not get 140 miles in real world, e6’s epa range is only 127, denza’s battery even smaller than e6

                secondly they both have 14 sec 0-60

                1. EVfans says:

                  if denza have epa range

                  it should be less than 110 miles

                  1. Jay Cole says:

                    The e6 was/is a wildly inefficient EV as compared to the Denza EV, I would suggest if you ran them side-by-side the Denza would net around very close to the same range.

                    1. EVfans says:

                      DO you have data? so what’s your point?

                      Denza’s range is only 257km under Chinese standard which is the same as NEDC

                      What do you think how much do you think Denza’s range will be under EPA rule

                      Even nissan leaf has a 199km under NEDC

                      where is the better efficient?

                    2. Jay Cole says:

                      Well, we have actually been inside both of these cars and taken a spin. In our opinion their maximum ranges in typical Chinese driving scenarios would net a difference of less than 10 miles.

                    3. jstack6 says:

                      Jay, We supposed to get a BYD Bus and the e6 Sedan here in Arizona for the NDEW National Drive Electric show Sept 12th at Pavilions Scottsdale and Sept 18th for the Tucson NDEW. We hope to have them for a week and drive between Tempe AZ and Tucson AZ in them.
                      GOe3 is placing their special BYD charging systems at the GOe3 Fast Charge locations in Tempe near ASU , Casa Gande and Tcuson Bookmans. We’ll see just how they do in the Phoenix area heat and on 120 mile trips between our 2 cities.

                2. Big Solar says:

                  14 seconds is not bad.

      2. Londo Bell says:

        It’s often mistaken that prices from overseas are transferred directly into prices that are actually being sold in the US.

        You can look at Tesla’s prices from overseas and see the difference between what the price is after the exchange, versus the actual US selling price. Then you will see why your price comparison is really invalid.

        Thus, it’s highly possible that the BYD e6 could carry a selling price that is close to what CODA was aiming for initially.

        1. philip d says:

          But BYD said themselves in 2013 they were aiming for $52,000 in the US. See my post above. Coda was selling for $38,000.

      3. EVfans says:

        its 60kwh version only has a 127 mile under EPA
        rule

        so 82kwh 170 miles at most

    2. LuStuccc says:

      “why dont we have a car like this here?????”
      Don’t ask too much, remember we are in the petro/auto cartel land here.

      And this bring me to the never never answered question :
      How come the Chinese or Tesla (or GM in 1999) can do it, and none of our big car company with 1000 times the money, the engineers, the facilities can not ?!?

      1. JakeY says:

        I’ll tell you why. The BYD approach (which is basically the “shove more batteries in the car” approach) results in a heavy and inefficient car. The outgoing 60kWh version only got 122 miles of range.
        http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33383

        ***mod edit***
        Just as FYI. The 2012 BYD e6 was rated at 122 miles, the outgoing 2014 model was pegged at 127 miles
        http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=34859
        ***mod edit***

        To have a car with reasonable efficiency you really need a battery with reasonable density. Contrast the BYD with the 60kWh Model S which got 208 miles EPA from the same battery capacity.

        All the other manufacturers are choosing to wait for battery manufacturers to come out with the NMC chemistry which will deliver 200Wh/kg and let them build a car with reasonable efficiency.

        1. sven says:

          The E6 with its 62 MPGe was the most inefficient EV sold in the US. It was crap.

          1. EVfans says:

            At the same time
            it is a pig

            5000 lb, 100hp

            0-60 14 sec

  2. David Murray says:

    I see a lot of stories about BYD. But aren’t their cars pretty much available only in China? Do any readers of this site even live in a country where they can buy a BYD?

    1. Heisenberght says:

      While those cars are in fact not (yet??) available to most readers of this site, I think it’s great to have those storys about BYD’s development. China is quite a heavyweight when it comes to production, so developments over there could affect us while not directly but indirectly.

      @Insideevs: Please keep doing that BYD stories. It’s quite helpful to have that information in readable letters 😉

      1. Jay Cole says:

        BYD actually has a fair number of fleets for their autos outside of China, and their eBus program is massive worldwide (including the US).

        But no worries to either of you; InsideEVs will continue to cover BYD fully. I will say that a BYD story being published doesn’t mean that a different story, about a different EV, is not being published.

        InsideEVs publishes everything we see that we think is of interest to a worldwide audience. If that is 9 stories in a day, then 9 stories go up…if its 15 stories, then 15 stories go up.

        1. EVfans says:

          but you publish faked information of it

          such as 140 real world miles

          1. Jay Cole says:

            So you are suggesting because we (Mark) stated that it gets around “~140” real world miles (over the 186 miles claimed) that it is “faked information” based on the fact in the US the EPA rated the 2014 MY e6 at 127 miles? At no point did we suggest that the e6 had a 140 mile EPA rating.

            Chinese driving patterns are NOT US driving patterns. Just because something is 127 miles IF they sold to the public in the US, doesn’t mean it is the same thing in China, to Chinese drivers. And we are talking about what around a 9% (13 mile) variance here?

            Besides that, your comment had zero to do with the sub-thread discussion above, it was inflammatory. It randomly accused us doling of out “faked informationed” on purpose…make another such unwarranted statement out of the blue and it will be your last comment here. To suggest we would knowingly falsify data will not be tolerated.

    2. Lensman says:

      I’m glad that InsideEVs does give some coverage to the entire international EV market, not just the U.S., Western Europe, and British Commonwealth countries. Sooner or later, some Chinese auto maker will successfully market a Chinese-made car in the USA and Canada. There has already been attempt, which was a commercial failure, from CODA (RIP). BYD has a lot more resources and funding, and probably more expertise in building EVs, than CODA did.

      That said, I’m glad that the majority of InsideEVs articles focus on cars which are marketed in first-world countries. I am interested in keeping tabs on the state of the art of building EVs in China and other countries, but I’m far more interested in cars which I might be able to drive on American highways some day.

  3. Jelloslug says:

    I would imagine that they would not meet the US crash standards.

    1. Londo Bell says:

      I’ve read what other online sites (reputable), as well as published research, that this is actually the reason on why US isn’t “getting” many of the imports – and some of these sites used the reasoning to speculate this as a form of protectionism (rather than using high duties as in China).

      The cause to “retrofit” is just too great for low to medium priced vehicles. There are exceptions, but usually for limited runs (fleet, test, etc.) or low sales total (like those of super sports cars).

      1. LuStuccc says:

        Come on, this is plain protectionnism, along with EV blocking pretexts. The e6 passed all necessary crash tests. Are europeans more hard skinned than americans?
        Protectionnism and big oil pressures on politics and rulings.

        1. Robb Stark says:

          Ha HA HA!

          Europeans and the Chinese have a right to establish their own crash/safety/emission/charging standards but not Americans?

          Oil cartel prevents electric cars in the US,home of Tesla, but British Petroleum and Royal Dutch Shell is not strong enough in Europe? Nor Chinese National Petroleum Corporation apparently.

          If you want to look at protectionism in the USA look no further that State auto dealer cartels.

        2. Nick says:

          Which part of the FMVSS would you drop?

          They all seem useful to me.

          http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Motor_Vehicle_Safety_Standards

          1. Londo Bell says:

            Nick, at no point am I advocating for a lower test standards in my previous post. However, that doesn’t mean that I support the tests at the current level.

            Because all these tests are targeted at the safety of the occupant during and after a crash. Thus, we are essentially hauling a whole bunch of safety equipments, and a strength reinforced structure, for something that may not be used at all for a vehicle’s life. Those weights significantly decrease the energy efficiency of the vehicle.

            But we can think smarter…

            How about, ways to AVOID the crash in the 1st place? Such as crash avoidance system, speed limiter, etc.? A lower speed limit will also help too (see where I’m going? Autonomous driving!), and so will a better public transportation system, if we need to travel a longer distance locally.

        3. Lensman says:

          LuStuccc said:

          “Come on, this is plain protectionnism, along with EV blocking pretexts. The e6 passed all necessary crash tests.”

          I’d like to see some evidence that the E6 actually did pass American crash tests and did get certified to be sold as new cars under American safety standards. It’s news to me if it did.

          “Are europeans more hard skinned than americans?”

          Not quite sure what you mean. My understanding is that American safety standards for automobiles are actually slightly tougher than the European ones.

  4. ampzilla says:

    would be nice to upgrade just my battery pack in my 2013 coda however no need to
    11000 miles still strong and no range anxiety i have 1 bev and 3 ice vehicles
    my bev is my daily driver for over 1 yr
    so far just driving by those gas stations
    always charge at a level two everyday
    my life is not to complex so it works for me!!!!!!!

    1. Big Solar says:

      I remember Ampzilla. I had a white one, good amp, no distortion!

  5. EVfans says:

    e6 real world range 140 miles ???

    e6 epa miles is only 127 miles

    1. Nix says:

      Even in the US, there are often differences between “Real World” results, and the EPA test results.

      heck, just go peruse voltstats.net and see how real world Volt stats differ widely from EPA test results.

      That’s before even taking into consideration the differences between driving in the US vs. driving in China.

      Since when has “Real World” and EPA test results EVER meant the same thing? The two have always been mutually exclusive for as long as I can remember, even with gas cars.

      Heck, the EPA even recognizes that the two are not the same. That’s why they built out their “My MPG” web app, where you can see real world numbers from other drivers in the Shared MPG Estimates section:

      https://www.fueleconomy.gov/mpg/MPG.do?action=garage

  6. Lensman says:

    Has BYD actually sold the E6 in the USA? I didn’t think any BYD cars would be street legal here, due to the much tougher safety and crash standards in America.

    So far as I know, CODA is the only Chinese makes car to be sold in the USA, and that was intended for the American market, so was specifically designed to pass American safety standards.

    (And that’s not even getting into the subject of how patents and international patent law are mostly ignored in China. BYD ran afoul of that a few years ago, when it tried to sell some EV buses in California.)

    Here’s what Wikipedia says on the subject:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    In 2009 BYD indicated the e6 would be available in the United States in 2010 at a price just over US$40,000, and planned a rollout beginning in Southern California followed by several American cities. On October 2010 BYD announced that it was delaying its plans and US sales were re-scheduled to 2011. On December 2010 the carmaker announced plans to ship as many as 50 BYD e6 electric cars by the end of 2011 to fleet customers in Southern California, including the municipal government of Los Angeles. BYD plans to sell the e6 model in the US for US$35,000 before any government incentives. One of the biggest obstacles will be passing US crash testing, something which BYD plans to complete in 2011. As of August 2011, sales were scheduled to begin in the second quarter of 2012. However, in October 2011 BYD opened its headquarters in Los Angeles, a year behind schedule, and announced that retail sales will be delayed at least for 18 months due to the lack of charging infrastructure.

    Some commentators have noted that BYD has yet to bring a single all-electric car to the American consumer market and has repeatedly missed launch deadlines, giving rise to speculation about BYD’s labor-intensive process of cell production’s capability of achieving the uniformity of quality required for electric car batteries.

    In 2010 the City of Los Angeles agreed to purchase 10 e6 electric cars and lease a further 20. City officials also intend to start a pilot program running five of BYD’s K9 electric buses.

    As of 19 February 2013, there were 11 units of BYD e6 reaching US from China and then heading to BYD North America headquarters located in Los Angeles. However the purpose of this fleet has not been officially proclaimed. In May 2013, BYD announced that the e6 will be sold in the US only to fleet consumers, and instead of making the car available to the general public, the company will focus on electric bus sales in North America.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    source
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_e6#United_States

    [numerous footnotes omitted; see the article at Wikipedia]

  7. Nix says:

    Why aren’t these Chinese cars being sold in the US? Well, one reason certainly is that China’s EV/PHEV market is growing Much Faster in China than here.

    If I were choosing which market to prioritize growth in, I would choose China over the United States or most of Europe too.

  8. jstack6 says:

    BYD buses are made in Livermore California. Many companies try to manufacture locally. Nissan does this with the LEAF made in Smyrna Tenn. and Honda made in Ohio.