2015 Kia Soul EV Gets Official EPA Range Rating Of 93 Miles – City Range Will Blow Your Mind

2 years ago by Eric Loveday 94

Kia Soul EV Gets 93 Miles Of Range, According to EPA Rating

Kia Soul EV Gets 93 Miles Of Range, According to EPA Rating

The 2015 Kia Soul EV has been officially certified by the EPA.  Its electric-range rating of 93 miles is rather impressive, but buried in the Fueleconomy.gov website we’ve found some Soul EV figures that will blow your mind.

For starters, no 2015 Model Year vehicle has more range than the 2015 Soul EV.  The only 2015 Model Year EVs currently listed are the 2015 Chevy Spark EV, 2015 Fiat 500e, 2015 Nissan LEAF and, of course, the 2015 Kia Soul EV.

The breakdown for range for those models are as follows:

  • 2015 Soul EV – 93 miles
  • 2015 Fiat 500e – 87 miles
  • 2015 Nissan LEAF – 84 miles
  • 2015 Chevy Spark EV – 82 Miles

Okay, so the Soul EV is king of that small hill, but let’s examine the EPA’s in-depth range breakdown, which includes figures for city range, highway range and combined range – the Kia Soul EV gets an amazing 104 miles in the city, and a (perhaps not so amazing) 80 miles on the highway:

Kia Soulk EV Clearly Dominates In The City Range Category

Kia Soulk EV Clearly Dominates In The City Range Category

You’re probably wondering now how the 2015 Soul EV’s city range stacks up against some 2014 Model Year vehicles, like perhaps the RAV4 EV or BMW i3 or even the Mercedes-Benz B-Class Electric Drive.  Here’s that data for your viewing pleasure:

2014 EPA Ratings For EVs

2014 EPA Ratings For EVs

Despite the 2015 Soul EVs’ stellar city range rating, all you’ll see on the window sticker is the 93 miles.  Additionally, Kia won’t be able to advertise that spectacular city range rating, as its against EPA guidelines to quote figures not included on the window sticker.  But for those looking for an EV with superb city range at a reasonable price, the Kia Soul EV is the clear winner.

Kia Soul EV EPA Ratings

Kia Soul EV EPA Ratings

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94 responses to "2015 Kia Soul EV Gets Official EPA Range Rating Of 93 Miles – City Range Will Blow Your Mind"

  1. leafer says:

    great now just put that powertrain into a normal car….. what a concept.

    1. MTN Ranger says:

      I see no problem with using the Soul as an EV platform. The mini/small CUV market is huge and there are no other EV competitors (RAV4EV is going away).

      1. pjwood says:

        Well, the B-class fit that mold when the space beneath an ordinary C-“U”-V actually got “Utilized” with a Tesla battery 😉

        1. It sad that this would be consider anything with “UV” after it.

          It’s a smallish 5 passenger hatchback CAR.

  2. brg2290 says:

    From the Kia website: “Available in California in the fall, with East Coast availability expected in 2015”.

    My question – compliance car or nationwide availability?

    1. RedLeafBlueLeaf says:

      Those of us in the middle are still stuck with the LEAF, Volt, Tesla, and Ford Energis. I did hear a rumor of an i3 being demoed here in Colorado, and of two low-end (or maybe lowER end) Smart EVs on local lots.

      The difference between choice in CA and choice in the middle is unbelievable.

      1. Assaf says:

        I’m still scratching my head as to why, e.g., the Spark hasn’t made it yet even up the West Coast to the already-proven EV sales powerhouse of Western Washington.

        1. QCO says:

          Because it’s a compliance car that is not profitable compared to an ICE, so no incentive to sell outside the compliance areas.

          The Kia has good range, nice features, and an OK price, but we won’t know whether it’s a bona fide effort or just a compliance car until they roll out the markets. At least it was done in house, which is a good sign (vs outsourced 500 and Focus).

          1. Mikael says:

            Yet they are taking orders or about to take orders in a number of european countries.

            I guess that is for compliance reasons or because the car is not profitable and Kia have some spare cash to waste. 🙂

            It seems like it’s rather that the market of most states just isn’t attractive enough. Or that there are other factors in the way. Maybe hostile/uninterested dealers or other hinders.

          2. Bonaire says:

            The 2015 Spark EV will use LG Chem battery cells which will replace the A123 cells used in the prior model years. There will be more chance of profit with the new sells.

        2. See Through says:

          I’m really surprised by Spark’s EPA range. I routinely get 149 mpge. Just now, drove to work with 5.8 miles/kwh. With 66% hwy @ 65 mph, 34% city driving, I’m getting 105 miles per full charge.

          Looks like there is a lot of room for error in these EPA estimated ranges.

          Or, Chevy has intentionally kept the EPA range low for Spark EV so people don’t buy it. Even in SF bay area, most dealers don’t hav eany stock of Spark EV.

          1. MTN Ranger says:

            Those people in colder climates will get 20-30% less range. That probably explains the differences in EPA miles. My Volt gets 45 miles during the summer, but only 25 during the winter. EPA is 37, so that works out.

    2. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

      Compliance car, obviously.

      1. BraveLilToaster says:

        Compliance cars *never* make it to Canada though.

        Kia appears to be just generally being weird about the roll-out of this car.

    3. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

      If those countries have some form of subsidy scheme? Undoubtedly.

      1. Mikael says:

        It’s on its way to the pretty EV hostile Germany with basically no incentives avaliable.

        There is no reason to do that with a compliance car. 🙂

        1. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

          Germans are going to LOVE a car that maxes out at a 150km real-world range, 0-100kph in 11+ seconds, and a top speed of 145kph. Especially one from Korea, which costs nearly as much as a domestic underpowered eGolf!

          1. Mikael says:

            I’m not saying it will sell there. I’m saying that it’s offered there and there is no reason to do that if it’s a compliance car.

    4. offib says:

      I’m not so sure now, Dr. Kia and Hyundai are not expected to comply with ZEV regulations until 2017. I cardinally hope Kia is trying to test the water easily. As the “saying” goes that I hardly remember, Kia and Hyundai are always late to the party. If they do it, everyone else must’ve or are working on it too.

      1. Jakey says:

        CARB allows credits earned before to count towards future requirements and gives bonuses (via the NMOG multipliers) for credits earned earlier. So selling 1-2 years before required does not eliminate a manufacturer from compliance car status.

      2. Hyundai and Kia are required to comply starting model year 2015 and beyond:

        Starting in 2012, the “Large Vehicle Manufacturers” (LVM) must sell a minimum number of California Air Resources Board – Zero Emission Vehicle (CARB-ZEV) qualifying vehicles for compliance in California:

        Manufacturer – ZEV used for compliance:

        Ford – Focus EV
        Honda – Fit EV
        Chrysler/Fiat – 500e
        Toyota – Rav4 EV, iQ EV
        GM Chevrolet – Spark EV
        Nissan – LEAF

        For model years 2015 and beyond, Intermediate and Large Vehicle Manufacturers (IVM & LVM’s):

        BMW – i3
        Fiat/Chrysler – 500e
        Ford – Focus EV, hydrogen by 2018?
        General Motors – Spark EV, potential “200 mile EV moon-shot”, hydrogen by 2018?
        Honda – absolutley hydrogen
        Hyundai – absolutley hydrogen
        Kia – Soul EV
        Mazda – Demio EV
        Daimler/Mercedes – B-Class ED, Smart ED, hydrogen by 2018
        Nissan – LEAF, eNV-2000
        Toyota – absolutley hydrogen
        Volkswagen – eGolf

        Auto manufacturers that are NOT subject to CARB-ZEV due to their small size:

        Fuji Heavy Industry (Subaru)
        Jaguar Land Rover

        Starting in 2018, cars that comply will have to be sold in all CARB-ZEV states, not just California:

        California’s ZEV program has now been adopted by the states of Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island and Vermont. These states, known as the “Section 177 states,” have chosen to adopt California’s air quality standards in lieu of federal requirements as authorized under Section 177 of the federal Clean Air Act.

        Additionally, California’s GHG standards are now federal law. Maine and New Jersey are participating with ZEV initiatives, but are not signatory CARB-ZEV states.

        All CARB states, but some without ZEV requirements – Arizona, California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington, District of Columbia.

        1. The exception to the above is that hydrogen cars can be sold in California only in 2018 and beyond.

        2. jstack6 says:

          Great facts Tony. Too bad many will only be compliance and many will never be sold in Arizona because our state actually canceled the CARB-ZEV mandate.
          I wonder if the BlueCar from Bollore that is rented in Indianapolis will ever be available. It has 160 mile range.

          quote=Starting in 2018, cars that comply will have to be sold in all CARB-ZEV states, not just California:

    5. Jakey says:

      It doesn’t matter what their sales strategy is overseas, if the sales in the US are primarily compliance targeted (typically markets limited to ZEV states and just enough volume to satisfy ZEV requirements) it’s a compliance car.

  3. Bob says:

    Very nice evolution of range.
    Nothing blown here – except out of proportion…

    1. BraveLilToaster says:

      Yeah, that was my impression too. What is this, distractify.com?

  4. Mike says:

    they only mention two markets – this is a compliance car.
    Pathetic Kia

  5. pjwood says:

    So, what this means is that the EPA is harming the environment, by keeping good environmental news under wraps. Bravo.

  6. DanCar says:

    I wonder how range is calculated. I get much better range than 74 miles on my 2013 leaf on the highway. Heading back and forth to San Fran which is 80% highway I get 90 miles of range.

    1. Mike says:

      You’re in the perfect climate for EV’s and hybrid batteries. I guess the EPA uses the whole nation to calculate. But, enjoy that cleaner air and greater range.

      1. prsist says:

        Why don’t they test and sell the cars in Arizona? I could get a broken toaster to work in California!! Get the EV’s into Arizona and if it performs well, it ought to be extremely effective in states with less extreme heat. Why do they always sell the da*& things in California???

    2. Andrew says:

      They go to a “city” with no intersections or turns and drive around at 25MPH without slowing or accelerating. If you want to know the range driving in an actual city, you should just subtract 20% from the highway figure.

      1. Mikael says:

        Not at all. At highway speeds the wind resistance is the most important factor. The Kia Soul EV has a larger battery and should have longer range in both cities and on highway.
        It has that in cities (as it should) but not on highway because of very poor aerodynamics.

        Look at the Tesla numbers. Great aerodynamics = great highway range, heavy car = less good city numbers.

    3. Alan says:

      Hi Dan,

      What’s the most mileage you have had out of your leaf ?

      Many thanks

      1. DanCar says:

        I got regularly 96 miles of range out of my leaf with mostly highway miles when new. Haven’t had to drive that far recently, but I’m guessing my range is down to 90 now.

        1. Alan says:

          Thanks for that, I am toying with ordering a new 2015 Leaf in Feb for April delivery and tend to drive at around 50 mph on most main roads but was concerned about the range.

          1. Jeff Carlton says:

            2013 Leaf, 7500 lifetime miles, a summertime road trip: This was a 100 mile multi-varied trip on a single battery charge. It included some 60 mph highway speeds, but in general it involved conservative, air conditioning less driving. I began fully charged at my home in NW Reno, drove to south Reno for church, then travelled further south and up the Mt. Rose Highway to the Pass. It was a 4500 foot elevation gain on the narrow winding road, several hairpin turns included. My car showed an 85% charge at the foot, and a 27% charge at the summit (8911 feet). The trip down the other side to Lake Tahoe at Incline Village charged the battery up to the 50% level. I swam a few places and picnicked near Sand Harbor. Continuing around the lake on Highway 28, I climbed Spooner Summit (elevation 7146 feet, 31% charge), then down the other side to Carson City, (39 to 42 % charge, can’t remember for sure). I visited my brother’s house in the Capital, then climbed up to Washoe Valley and circled that way back to my home. I finished with maybe a 3% charge, the car stops giving the percent below the 8% level substituting increasingly dire warnings. I have not yet experienced its “turtle mode”. I could have charged comfortably 35+ miles from home in Carson City, (at least 2 free chargepoint level 2 options, or my brother’s dryer outlet), or at others in south Reno 8+ miles from home, I just chose not to…even though the streets up to my house involve a battery draining climb, I was pretty confident I could make it.
            I love the car! Of course future models will only improve. Nissan has to plan for the Tesla Model 3 (200+ mile range) coming out in 2017 which will push all BEV building companies who wish to compete to up their game.

  7. Doug B says:

    Where can I get the BYD e6, 134 hwy mile range, at an expected similar price to the Soul!
    I do though like the Soul, and a great result for Kia, if its soon sold nationwide.

    1. liberty says:

      Move to china, to buy that car 😉

  8. Mo says:

    which States will be selling the Kia? anyone knows?

    1. MDEV says:

      Texas and Virginia jeje…..

      California and Washington for sure.

  9. Mike says:

    Since Repubs have made EV’s and Hybrids POLITICAL, you can see here how Dems get Richer then Republicans.

    Economic Darwinism:
    “You save $8250 over 5 years in fuel costs”,
    but also just start your local utility by not using foreign oil, you breath cleaner air,
    you save more by installing solar to feed your EV’s,
    for every gallon of gas you don’t burn, Exxon and the Koch’s don’t burn 1 to 2 gallons to refine tar sand into gas, increasing your cleaner air.

    You benefit, your community benefits, your local business benefits, America Benefits.

    1. tedfredrick says:

      Great comment on the Kia. Oh wait it had nothing to do with the Kia, just a leberal troll

      1. Brian says:

        Seriously. Where do these people come from?

        1. Anon says:

          Science makes Liberals, and God makes Conservatives… 😛

          See what I did, there? *laughs*

          1. Trace says:

            I thought that saying was ‘Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings.’

            1. Steven says:

              Sadly, that’s true too.

          2. Steven says:

            ROTFLMAO, but you’re 100% right on that.

            Perhaps I’ll have that put on a shirt.

    2. Steven says:

      Exactly, and as sources of electricity get cleaner and more efficient, the car itself becomes greener. Plus, if you have the ability to use solar, wind, or hydro on your property, the car can practically pay for itself (aside from registration, insurance, and maintenance) Let’s see any ICEmobile do all that.

  10. Anderlan says:

    On the other hand, you might say that because of its shape, the Soul EV takes a hit in highway range. The Soul EV would be king of highway range, too (because of its greater accessible kwhrs) but for its shape and height.

    1. Anderlan says:

      In total, for a little bit of a premium over the LEAF (a *little* bit), I’d take the Soul EV (S-ev-oul? Seoul?). More city range, more power to leave it running overnight as a sensor and data platform (I’m unusual, okay), and MORE SPACE.

      Finally, I’m pretty sure I could go 55mph on trips and milk 100 miles out of it on the highway. I already go 55 on trips in my LEAF.

      1. Anderlan says:

        I almost forgot, more *power*, as in, physics, as in horsepower. Bigger pack equals more power. I’ve become addicted to my LEAFs power, and 20 more instantaneous horsepower would be hard to resist!

        1. Anderlan says:

          A little googling shows that the Soul EV has 109hp, same as a LEAF. I guess they got a deal on lower power batteries and power electronics.

  11. Brian says:

    The flip side is that the highway range is no better than any of its competitors. Considering that whenever I am pushing range, I am traveling on the highway, this is bad news.

    @DanCar, the highways around San Fran are very different from the highways in CNY (I would know, I used to live in Palo Alto, near the 101). The difference is in congestion and hence speed. Our highways are actually open and traffic flows at 10-15mph above the posted speed limit (65mph). At 75-80mph, I’m lucky to get 70 miles in my Leaf.

    1. Brian says:

      CNY = Central New York (i.e. Syracuse). Sorry, I keep forgetting nobody not from here knows that.

      1. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

        For the rest of the world, CNY = Chinese Yuan, particularly when quoting forex currency pairs.

      2. Steven says:

        When I see “CNY”, I think of two things…

        1.) You forgot the “U” (CUNY).
        2.) You forgot Stephen Stills.

    2. DanCar says:

      I agree. I try to keep my speed below 62 mph and I know that congestion helps with range.

      1. Brian says:

        When I am concerned about range (which is rare), I normally try to stay off the highway and keep speeds to the posted limit or 50mph (whichever is lower). Still, I can’t seem to get more than about 75 miles on my 2012 Leaf. So maybe the chemistry tweaks actually help on the 2013? Back when it was released there was a side-by-side test drive with a bunch of cars, and the conclusion was that 2012/2013 had the same range, with a new battery. Maybe my battery is just in worse shape than I thought?

        To come full-circle here, it sounds like the Soul will get a similar range on the highway, but a much better range when I slow down. This past summer I went camping about 90 miles away, and had to stop for two hours in each direction to charge. With the Soul, I could possibly make it without stopping at all. That would be a nice improvement!

        1. DanCar says:

          The range test done didn’t take into account the improved regen. The range was improved for 2013. Here are some references:



          I can post more references but they are anecdotal. Lots of people with 2012 and earlier cars complaining about range but hard to find people with 2013 and later cars complaining about range.

        2. Anon says:

          Shoving a large angular box around at highway speeds comes at a cost. This aerodynamic penalty is reduced significantly when you driver slower… Not surprised at the city range at all.

  12. DaveMart says:

    The first fruits of the highest energy density in a non-18650 form.

    They are 200Wh/kg on this, at the cell level.
    Probably the only reason that they did not put in a bigger battery pack is because they are still a bit pricey.

    Considering they have hit the highway mileage with the boxy shape though, good going.

    1. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

      Too bad it’s a slow slug.

      1. You are talkin’bout yourself?

      2. Anon says:

        I will name my hamster-mobile, “Pokey”. And I will hug it, and squeeeeze it… 😉

  13. JRMW says:

    Don’t forget that Mercedes B-class electric has a range of 87 miles PLUS a Temporary Range Extender (electric, not ICE)for an additional 17 miles which leads to 104 total miles.

    I applaud these manufacturers for pushing the boundaries and am excited for them to get to the 100 mile and more importantly 125 mile range which I think will be a massive psychological barrier.

    At 125 mile range, charging to 80% gives you 100 mile range. As winter range drops a good 40%, this would still leave winter drivers with 60 miles of range.

    1. Brian says:

      As much as we like to pick a number and declare it as a “phsycological barrier”, I just don’t think that one exists – at least not universally. 125 miles still sounds like a short range compared to the typical 300-400 miles of an ICEV.

      Truth be told, everybody is going to have a difference “minimum range” at which they would consider an EV. As long as new cars keep incrementally increasing the range, they will also be incrementally increasing the potential market size. It’s not an all-or-nothing situation, and there is no magic number.

      For me personally, the minimum range is 30 miles (in the dead of winter, on the highway, blasting heat) – which my 2012 Leaf barely makes – in order to even consider an EV. In order to ditch the ICE completely, I would need minimum 200 miles (same conditions) which no car – not even the 85kWh Tesla Model S – can do today. In between, every increment simply allows me to drive a larger percentage of miles on electricity.

      1. JRMW says:

        Despite the arbitrary rationale, psychological barriers are important to overcome because people make major life decisions based on these psychological barriers. So we have to break them down!

        I agree that there are multiple psychological barriers. That’s why they are psychological instead of physical laws!

        Psychological barriers are always arbitrary which is why I outlined my rationale for the arbitrary number.

        Humans think in round numbers such as 100. Hence 100 miles range is a psychological barrier. Since we only charge to 80%: 125 becomes a psychological barrier since 80% of 125 =effective 100 mile range

        After that obviously 150 miles and 200 miles are the next psychological barrier. If we were in Europe we wouldn’t care about 100 miles, we would care about 100 and 200 km.

        You can even see this effect in your posting where you chose a multiple of 100 as a psychological barrier (you could have chosen 203.5 or 194.337 as your next goal, but you chose 200)

        This original post did the same by extolling the fact that the Soul has hit 100+ miles (city), passing a psychological barrier even though it’s not that much more than other options on the road

        you see it in all fields, like in Finance where we look for “Dow 18,000” or in tech where we looked for 1 GB and 1 Terabyte, and in height where we hope to be 6 feet tall.

        1. Brian says:

          FWIW, I chose 200 because it is a round number, not a psychological one. Sure, I could say 194.337 miles, but since it’s not a hard boundary, I didn’t. If a car comes out with a 194 mile range, it is not automatically off the list.

          1. Assaf says:

            FWIW2, the 2013-5 Leaf can easily QC to 90%, at least with AeroVironment chargers around here. No discernible adverse impact, as long as you don’t do it multiple times every day.

            The 80% itself has been psychological barrier regarding what first-gen EV and charger makers were originally willing to risk.

          2. JRMW says:

            “FWIW, I chose 200 because it is a round number”

            Yes I know. It was kind of the whole point to my post! Psychological numbers are usually round numbers or multiples of 5s or 10s.

            It’s why so many thing’s are priced at $19.99 instead of $20 ($20 is psychologically “bad”); why we often dread hitting the ages of 30 and 40 and 50; why we chose the boiling point of water to be 100 degrees higher than freezing, and why many knobs go up to 10 (except in Spinal Tap where they go to 11).

            Anyway, I completely agree with you that my use of 100 miles and 125 miles as psychological barriers was completely arbitrary and based primarily on the fact that my brain likes nice round numbers and integers divisible by 5 and 10.

            but I also think that many people will share my type of brain function and will reconsider EVs when their range hits 100, 125, 150, 200, 250, and 300 miles!

            Peace my friend.

            1. Jeff Carlton says:

              I agree with your psychological barrier and round number point and like your gentle, conflict de-escalating style.

        2. DaveMart says:

          At least people in metric places will have their psychological barriers in different places!

          1. Mikael says:

            Hehe… 200 km (124.274238 miles)and 300 km (186.411358) are two of those 😛

            And then you have the 2000 km (1 242.74238 miles) barrier. That’s the number the neighbors car can do on a tank of gas at highway speeds with his Volvo V60.
            Thats an important one…(not 😛 who needs to be able to drive for a full day non-stop without even a 5 minute break 😛

            1. DaveMart says:

              My barriers are at 1111111km and 11111111km 😉

              1. Anon says:

                We should just talk about vehicle speeds being relative to the speed of light. That’s an important and humbling barrier that we all must observe… 😉

                My personal EV barrier, is how many DCFC stops do I need to make, to complete a long distance trip? A 200 mile range EV will reduce those by 2.5 times, as compared to a “BM3” (Before Model 3) compliance BEV. That’s more than a psychological savings in time…

  14. Mark says:

    Why don’t more people talk about the RAV4 EV? I just don’t get it. The range numbers published by the EPA are so conservative. I just leased one a month ago, and I am getting 100 miles of range on a standard charge no matter how fast or aggressive I drive it. I have a 60 mile daily commute with mostly highway miles and hills. In my Fit EV, if I drive conservatively I can get 80 miles of real range, while driving aggressively at speeds over 70 mph would only get me 60 miles of total real range. In the RAV4 EV, if I drive conservatively and use the extended charge mode, I can get 145 miles of range easily. Its INSANE that more people don’t know about the RAV4. They’re almost all gone now. Only a few hundred left. The 150 mile range EV has been on the market for TWO YEARS now. And it was mostly ignored 🙁

    1. Bill Howland says:

      Agreed.. Last year at the PlugInAmerica event outside of Rochester, NY, I met a guy who ‘mail ordered’ a RAV4EV from a California Dealership precisely because it was a decent SUV for his family, got a huge discount on it (around $35k), and it had great range (over 100 miles).

      Little bugaboos like the connectors melting at a 40 amp charge rate (why does tesla stuff always have this kind of problem?) did affect him since his little clipper creek thingy only worked at 20 amps, which was fast enough for him at home.

      The only thing that would scare me, is servicing. Much too far away to flatbed back to California.

      1. Mike I says:

        Yes, out of state service (outside CA) is a problem for the RAV4 EV. The charge port melting is 100% the fault of poor quality J1772 handle assembly. The Blink handles made by Rema are the most famous for this and they were only pushing 30 or 32A. The charge port is actually pretty easy to replace. It’s a standard Yamazaki part.

    2. FSJ says:

      Only a handful exist, it’s discontinued, and as a practical matter it’s only available in California. That’s why. Put another way, it’s not an option.

    3. Spec9 says:

      Because it has an MSRP of $50K and it is a low volume compliance car only available in California.

      1. Mark says:

        I don’t think anyone was unfortunate enough to pay MSRP, but of course it is CA only, like most of the other compliance EV’s. Toyota incentives have been $17.5k, my dealer took an additional $3.5k off, and I get the CA $2500 rebate check in a few months. Total cost before tax for the RAV4 EV for me was $26.5k. Also, it was not discontinued. Toyota originally planned 2600, that was the agreement with Tesla. Toyota paid them $100 million for 2600 drivetrains and batteries. The 2600 have now almost all been built and there’s no arrangement to produce any more at this time.

        1. david_cary says:

          Ok, How is that not “discontinued”. Sure they had a fixed amount to start with but if they sold at MSRP or for a profit, I’d suspect they might have ordered more.

          1. Yes, the Toyota Rav4 EV assembly has been shut down and the last cars are being shipped to select California only dealers now from the Woodstock, Ontario plant.

            About 300 remain on lots for new purchase or lease in California only. $17,500 discount from a lease, zero down. $2500 from the state. Unlimited miles available.

            Toyota just wants these out of the way before their illustrious HYDROGEN car arrives.

    4. Sparkler says:

      Lack of QC mostly. I would have had one years ago if they had put the QC port on it. As it is, the range is just too short to replace my 17 year old pickup truck. There is a bunch of QC’s along my route, and I don’t have charging at the other end. 140 miles of freeway just can’t realistically happen in a Rav4, without QC.
      I’m sure there will be something that works eventually, but for now I’ll just have to keep the ICE, it’s still very low mileage, in both meanings of the word. (50K & 15MPG)

      1. Our company is developing the JdeMO option for using CHAdeMO stations on the Rav4 EV and Mercedes B-Class ED.

  15. Bloggin says:

    As a commuter/second car, the Soul EV with 103 EV miles in the city is great. I can’t remember the last time I drove 100 miles in one day, without it being a planned road trip.

    This would be great for college students going locally, the $249 lease minus around $150 for gas brings the net cost to around $100/mo for a new reliable car and virtually no maintenance costs.

    The gas Kia Soul is doing well, with sales up 25.9% YTD and August sales were up 50.4%.

    1. nate says:

      That is true if you are assuming the college student has a place they can charge for free, or it may be almost true if they can ensure they can charge at normal utility rates. Most college kids aren’t homeowners. They may not have guaranteed access to charging in the campus student parking, and they might not have a cooperative landlord. Also, they often don’t know where exactly they will be living 1-2 years from now. What if they ended up wanting to take a semester overseas?

      The cost of having a car payment, parking permits (or tickets), depreciation, insurance isn’t worth it for many college age kids these days. What makes more sense is having a bike, public transport and car sharing options.

  16. Spec9 says:

    What blows my mind is that they could have put that 27KWH battery into a car that is actually aerodynamic instead of this rolling brick.

  17. EV says:

    sorry i dont want to be seen driving a box, or a kia

  18. Tom says:

    Owned a LEAF for 3.5 years. I’m down to 70 mile range. Screw it! I sold the LEAF and bought a Tesla 85…. No more worries…

    1. Larry says:

      Sadly, I’d be worried about massive car payments, huge property tax assessments and sky-high insurance rates!

  19. Michael Sean says:

    I read all these articles saying the EPA gives the LEAF a range of 84 miles. My 2013 LEAF has a fully charged range of up to 108 every morning. What’s up with that?

    1. Sparkler says:

      You must be a very slow driver to get that number on the Guess-O-Meter!

      My Spark was telling me that I could drive it 124 miles, until I actually did some freeway miles, now it too is down to 104 estimated range.

      The key is, it’s just an estimate, based on the way you have been driving. Change the temp, terrain or your technique, and the estimate will change too…