180 Nissan Dealerships In US With CHAdeMO Fast Chargers

3 years ago by Eric Loveday 21

Nissan LEAF

Nissan LEAF

2013 Nissan LEAF connected to CHAdeMO charger

2013 Nissan LEAF connected to CHAdeMO charger

According to CHAdeMO Association, there are now 633 CHAdeMO DC fast chargers installed in the US.  Actually, there are more than 633, but CHAdeMO’s updates lag actual installs by a least a few weeks, sometimes even a couple of months.

Of those 633 units, Nissan says that at least 180 are installed at Nissan dealerships throughout the US (our guess is that 80% or more are so are at Nissan dealerships located in West Coast states).

Last tidbit of information is that Nissan is trying hard to get all of those DC chargers on PlugShare, which is a plus for EV owners who predominantly use PlugShare to locate nearby CHAdeMO chargers.

Worldwide CHAdeMO Map (June 2014): 633 CHAdeMO DC Fast Chargers In The U.S., 3740 Worldwide

Worldwide CHAdeMO Map (June 2014): 633 CHAdeMO DC Fast Chargers In The U.S., 3740 Worldwide

 

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21 responses to "180 Nissan Dealerships In US With CHAdeMO Fast Chargers"

  1. Rob Stark says:

    Why is this fact not prominently displayed on nissanusa.com with a map showing which/where CHAdeMO equipped dealers are?

  2. Stimpacker says:

    Thanks for summarizing this.

    This is probably Nissan’s biggest mistake in attempting to roll out an EV charging infrastructure.

    1) Dealerships are not at convenient locations to charge for long trips.
    2) The chargers are frequently blocked or in use by dealership vehicles.
    3) Accessibility to dealership charger subject to dealership operating hours (some dealers).
    4) Single charger may be in use or inoperative.
    5) eVgo (charger operator) is terribly difficult to work with (false charges, card activation).

    The Leaf does not have enough range to reach the next charger if you arrive at a charger to find it unavailable. I’m a family guy so I’d never chance that nor is the family willing to drive like a turtle.

    I’d be so much happier if Nissan adopted the Tesla model:
    1) Several charge bays per location.
    2) Publicly accessible 24/7.
    3) Free (priced into car price or add-on 1 time free).

    Better yet, join Tesla and make future Leafs Supercharge capable.

    Thanks.

    1. Murrysville EV says:

      Correct on all points.

      However, as a Leaf driver, I’ve still never once seen a CHAdeMO charger in nearly 2 years.

      But it doesn’t matter anyway – Nissan doesn’t make a long-range EV that can use such capability.

      Nissan needs to make the changes you describe (particularly joining the Supercharger network), but they also need a long-range EV.

      As it stands, CHAdeMO is practically useless in the US no matter how many they install.

      1. Rav4 EV says:

        I beg to differ, I had a Leaf for 3 years/46,000 miles. I used the quick charger 2-3 times a weeks for years so I could go 100 to 150 miles a day pretty easily. Having quick charging stations every 25 miles is a huge plus for Leaf drivers. It just takes a half hour or more each quick charge stop which gets annoying but Leaf drivers do benefit today from having them. The big issue is that fact that they only have one QCer per location which is an epic rollout fail as they are often in use or broken so they are very unreliable. As one other commenter noted, it is crucial that they put more than one station at each location, at least 4, just like Tesla has done with their quick charge stations. When Nissan has a 150 mile Leaf, they will already have the infrastructure to support it and sales will skyrocket as long as there are at least 4 chargers per location and they are located on major roads every 25 – 40 miles.

        1. Bonaire says:

          Well informed words from an actual owner. Imagine that. Nissan should be able to go “upmarket” and install denser batteries. Easier than Tesla goes “downmarket”.

          I would consider a Nissan if they have 24/7 access to the DC fast charger.

          1. pjwood says:

            Check your local dealerships. The one near me, I have seen ready and waiting twice, and it was well after hours. Plugshare comments are another good source for individual dealer policies.

          2. Dr. Kenneth Noisewater says:

            “Normal” people are going to need Supercharging for intercity EV travel. 250kW or greater would be better, of course. They are not going to put up with having to stop every 2 hours for a 1 hour fillup, or even a 1/2hr fillup. They’ll put up with half an hour for 4 hours of driving I think, though 15 minutes for 4 hours of driving is a lot more realistic.

      2. David Murray says:

        Useless? I also beg to differ. Maybe not terribly useful for a road trip. But here in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area they are very useful. While I can technically drive from Ft.Worth to Dallas and back on a single charge if I’m careful hypermile things… There isn’t much flexibility there. I certainly can’t make it from one edge of the metro area to the other and back. That would be over 100 miles. We have 30-ish DC fast charge stations around the area and that means I can go anywhere in DF/W I want to go without worrying about stopping some place for hours to recharge. it does take some planning, usually by looking at plugshare and figuring out which stations are closest to my route. But it isn’t difficult. I usually only stay at a Chademo station for 10 minutes or so.

    2. Leptoquark says:

      “1) Dealerships are not at convenient locations to charge for long trips.”

      Well, they kind of are. I’ve seen many Nissan Chademo-capable dealers on Plugshare, usually by major state or interstate highways. That’s actually a nice advantage of Nissan putting DC chargers at dealers, since they are so widely distributed.

      “2) The chargers are frequently blocked or in use by dealership vehicles.”

      Maybe, if it’s a dealer care charging, it’s likely close to being charged, and so can be moved.

      “3) Accessibility to dealership charger subject to dealership operating hours (some dealers).”

      True, but it’s also subject to dealer permission. Once more Leafs get out there, it wouldn’t surprise me to see dealers charging a fee for drop-in charging, especially since they’re loosing money on service.

      “4) Single charger may be in use or inoperative.”

      Maybe, maybe not.

      “5) eVgo (charger operator) is terribly difficult to work with (false charges, card activation).”

      I use eVgo, it’s not that bad.

      I agree that 24/7 access would be good, and more friendly dealers. I think the dealers have yet to discover that they might be able to monetize a pleasant, valuable charging experience.

      1. Rav4 EV says:

        Having quick charged 100’s of times, Yes the Chademo stations in the SF Bay Area are in use or broken almost 50% of the time. They need to use the Telsa QC or Gas station model with 4 stations at each major location so people can rely on charging. Otherwise it’s not reliable and the masses will continue to hear horror stories and not adopt EV technology in mass.

        1. Spec9 says:

          Rav4 EV? Not with that car. I guess you have a Leaf too?

  3. scott franco says:

    So that plugshare is behind the real number of DCFC got me moving, I called the local Nissan dealers who don’t have one listed. They all said they didn’t have one, and had no prospect of getting one.

  4. Ocean Railroader says:

    I really think the amount of new CHAdeMO stations being added has really showed down over the last year in that only one or two new ones are added a month. And most of them are in areas where there is another charger only five miles away. I personally feel like the EV infrastructure movement is dying or has died.

    In that I think we need at least ten to 50 new stations to be built each month across the US and Canada to keep the movement growing.

    1. Bonaire says:

      Research is your friend. The io user is right. CHadeMO clearly outshines Tesla in unique locations, with hundreds in the US alone, thousands worldwide. And growing faster in number than Tesla by a factor of at least three. The negative is usually only one station per site. A thousand single stations, to me, is more valuable than a hundred multicar sites.

      1. Spec9 says:

        Well Tesla’s Supercharger system is clearly very different that Chademo. All of Tesla’s cars have at least 200 miles of range so they don’t need many fast-chargers. They just need a few fast-chargers located in rural areas between destinations. The system is really genius but it does require cars with huge batteries.

  5. Bonaire says:

    Message to Nissan and its dealers. Do not let dealerships park their repair cars, loaners or new cars in front of these chargers during off hours and weekend days when closed. My local Nissan shop has a DC fast charger and it was ICEd on Sunday with two repair vehicles. On the other side of the lot, about 10 empty spaces. Is it because the charge is free? It is a Chargepoint network.

    How will EVs proliferate of buyers of the Leaf cannot get a charge unless the dealership is open? I seriously doubt they discuss this with their buyers during the sale.

    1. Stimpacker says:

      Exactly my point(s).

      Even those who disagree with the points I raised above can only say it’s a “maybe” at best. That’s all that is needed to torpedo the entire Nissan charging infrastructure.

      If your family is in your Leaf, would you risk going on trips that you are FOR SURE to run out of charge unless you charge up at a place that MAYBE available?

      Bottomline: Multiple charging bays, publicly accessible 24/7. Stop putting more at dealerships.

  6. Spec9 says:

    Fellow Chademo backers Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai sure left Nissan twisting in the wind. They all jumped on the Fuel Cell bandwagon and haven’t really put out any Chademo cars.

    1. When you’re busy telling everybody how bad battery cars are, you don’t want to blow it by putting in a simple plug that quick charges the cars at 4000 stations worldwide.

      No, what you do is build the world’s most pathetic EV, the iQ EV with 38 mile range.

  7. Reno says:

    As an owner of both a Leaf and a Tesla Model S I can state that based in Florida I would not take my Leaf for a drive without anxiety over the availability of CHademo chargers at dealerships. In fact I had to have my Leaf towed on one occaision because the DCQC was down and had been. The dealer that had it knew it was down but didn’t think it was a priority to get it fixed. I have done two major trips over 2000 miles with the Model S and have zero worries about depending on the Supercharger network.